Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

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there is literally no way to improve without third party tools,

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Yet YoshiP has said that all encounters can be beaten without any third party programs, the game and all raids etc are exhaustively tested. I think i know which to listen to.

Are you saying he is wrong?

Either way, my stance remains. I will stand or fall on my own merits, no triggers, no parsers, no callouts..I will improve as times goes on, you can improve without addons, by practice, listening, learning...whether or not you approve makes me no never mind.

WOW is heavily invested to the point that anyone who plays that game is DEPENDENT on a load of addons .

FF 14 isnt.

The game and all its encounters can be defeated in a Vanilla UI. In that sense, FF 14 is a very good example of "bring the player, not the class".

Yeah man just crack open that notepad file and math away, no using a calculator now that is a third party tool.... Go throu all that stuff in your head

Here we go again. I think what OP should have done was let it known up front, when forming this static, that they would like to do it as the raid was intended to be done. No hacks, no cheats, just straight up progress without cheats, or advantageous 3rd party software. Then if all who joined agreed to your terms, then you'd be in the right to kick.

I'm busy ATM or I would myself, I seem to remember that file not even being readable unless you have a program to transcribe it. I could be mistaken thou it has been a very long time, guess square is gana provide us with it or do I need a non endorsed program they do not provide? You know since the file itself id home grown

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yet YoshiP has said that all encounters can be beaten without any third party programs, the game and all raids etc are exhaustively tested. I think i know which to listen to.

are you saying he is wrong?

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ah yes, the dev team said that, the same dev team that has access to all kinds of data the player won't. The fact, p8s was overtuned and TOP had some quite glaring bugs really makes me go hmmmmmmmmm on that statement.

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Originally Posted by Hoodcat

I'm busy ATM or I would myself, I seem to remember that file not even being readable unless you have a program to transcribe it. I could be mistaken thou it has been a very long time, guess square is gana provide us with it or do I need a non endorsed program they do not provide? You know since the file itself id home grown

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You could just copy and paste it from the chat log. it was more of a theoretical example than a practical one.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

You could just copy and paste it from the chat log. it was more of a theoretical example than a practical one.

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How junked up that copy paste would be with 8 player +boss + environmental chat etc. I was more lol'n how a transcriber tool that does all that in an instant was bad vrs 40 hours sifting throu one encounter for one that will have numerous errors in it, that technically he couldn't use anything but his head cuz pen and paper and calculator are 3rd party tools.

That file was made to be transcribed by software

Also, all those twitch streamers that go back after a wipe to see what they did wrong.... People gana report them for using nividia playback or stored recordings on twitch to learn/prog?

I remember them on twitch discussing numerical aoe dmg ect ect pulled from fflogs live feeds. So where is this line? Better go report them :p

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Originally Posted by Mosha

The fact, p8s was overtuned and TOP had some quite glaring bugs really makes me go hmmmmmmmmm on that statement.

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Except p8s was never overtuned, it was job balance that was atrocious. It's just that nerfing boss HP by a few % is much faster and easier than rebalancing the tank role, the caster role and the physical ranged role. The multitude of bugs in TOP are inexcusable though.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Except p8s was never overtuned, it was job balance that was atrocious. It's just that nerfing boss HP by a few % is much faster and easier than rebalancing the tank role, the caster role and the physical ranged role. The multitude of bugs in TOP are inexcusable though.

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yeah, that's fair led to the same outcome though and still doesn't change the fact people need to take those comments with a grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by Hoodcat

How junked up that copy paste would be with 8 player +boss + environmental chat etc. I was more lol'n how a transcriber tool that does all that in an instant was bad vrs 40 hours sifting throu one encounter for one that will have numerous errors in it, that technically he couldn't use anything but his head cuz pen and paper and calculator are 3rd party tools.

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You could just copy it out of the battle log every pull and build an algorithm to sort the data before it's put into a spreadsheet and that's how you can make a parser that doesn't interact with the game. Im not saying its practical but its doable.