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08-25-2014, 09:42 AM
Phyllo

Well so far I got what I wanted and predicted so yea I'm confident, not to mention I seen a few more people who said the exact same thing I said, are you saying we are wrong because you interpreted differently than I did something another person said? (Not to mention the fact that if you were right I'd never have been able to reach Snow White, since when I used the pineapples during the third feed, my green and red values would have went up as my blue one went down, which did not happen, this is a fact that you can't ignore)

(Why did you answered two times to the same post btw?)

Anyway, you can't win these kind of discussions as both sides will always think they are right and never change their mind so let's end this useless thing now, there's no point in repeating the same thing over and over again.
08-25-2014, 09:44 AM
YeaniNah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tashigi

Result was Dalamud Red.

I did the way you did and i got my dalamud red but me its was 4 berry before it say feather grow thing
08-25-2014, 09:51 AM
Syrehn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

(Why did you answered two times to the same post btw?)

Someone posted something relevant to the discussion we were having after my original post. Hence, 2 posts.
08-25-2014, 09:52 AM
Ellisif

Ok, just fed my Midnight Blue Chocobo, 3 Pineapple *1 new feather message.
Going to take a guess and say it will either end up with ink blue or black.
Just a guess, but thought I would give it a shot. Be back in 6 hours to say if it worked.
08-25-2014, 09:54 AM
SongJoohee

A Japanese player posted Wine Red Chocobo, can anyone translate? Google translate isn't doing too good, all I can make out is he went to Rolanberry Red first

http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/1538663/

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...dd9313049d.jpg
08-25-2014, 10:04 AM
Chiral

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

Fruits only have one effect, there is no lighten x and darken y and z, y and z appear darker only because you removed x, but their value never got up, otherwise it'd be impossible to get white in multiple feeds like I did since every step would cancel the previous one.

Phyllo is correct. This is how it works. Been having very predictable results.
08-25-2014, 10:11 AM
Phyllo

Ah okay, well, his(her?) post is very well made, easy to understand even tho it relies a lot on RNG (and the dyeing system in its entirety) even tho I misred a part of it.

problem is in this case just how the hell was I able to pinpoint get these colors if it works the way you think it does, it would have been impossible for me to get rose pink by using 11 valfruits since the red and blue would have increased by the same value, I'd have gotten some thing like a really dark shade of purple and yet got a very light pink.

Then I used plums, I should have gotten a sort of deep blue like othard if we follow your thinking, yet, again, I got the lowest value of blue you can have, then I used pineapples and should have gotten a light yellow, yet I got white.

I admit I luckily pin pointed the colors I predicted but fact is I still got it while your thinking is completely wrong on the results, my facts and your theory are opposed, either you are wrong or are on the good track but still far from the truth.

I think the reason why you believe it works like that is because of the fact we don't have all the colors of RGB, which makes it works by range of value instead of precise value, if the value you got is within a range you'll have one chance out of the many ranges your values are in to get the one you want, even if the color you get makes no sense at all.
08-25-2014, 10:12 AM
Ravenguard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

Fruits only have one effect, there is no lighten x and darken y and z, y and z appear darker only because you removed x, but their value never got up, otherwise it'd be impossible to get white in multiple feeds like I did since every step would cancel the previous one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiral

Phyllo is correct. This is how it works. Been having very predictable results.

I wish you to be correct, but alas you are not. I've helped multiple people in this very thread get to the plumage colors by using Syrehn's very detailed explanation along with calculating the values out.

Each fruit does indeed affect all three color values positively or negatively. It is very much possible to reach every color as well. If you want to reach Black (all values near zero) you would feed a trio of Darkeners (as they subtract two colors while giving a positive boost to the other). Think about it like this:

Xelphatol Apple: +R -G -B
Mamook Pear: -R +G -B
O'Ghomoro Berry: -R -G +B

Total -2R -2G -2B

The net result is a mass decrease in values to ALL colors evenly.
08-25-2014, 10:13 AM
Feeya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cimyr

So correct me if Im miss counting, Im tired at the moment. That looks like 13 Messages with only O'Ghomoro Berries?

11 - unless we are counting the message about the plumage changing, then it would be 13.
08-25-2014, 10:18 AM
Phyllo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenguard

I wish you to be correct, but alas you are not. I've helped multiple people in this very thread get to the plumage colors by using Syrehn's very detailed explanation along with calculating the values out.

Each fruit does indeed affect all three color values positively or negatively. It is very much possible to reach every color as well. If you want to reach Black (all values near zero) you would feed a trio of Darkeners (as they subtract two colors while giving a positive boost to the other). Think about it like this:

Xelphatol Apple: +R -G -B
Mamook Pear: -R +G -B
O'Ghomoro Berry: -R -G +B

Total -2R -2G -2B

The net result is a mass decrease in values to ALL colors evenly.

The thing is I fed individually instead of giving all the fruits at the same time, which means that one step would negate the previous ones and your example is only valid if you feed every fruit you need at the same time.
08-25-2014, 10:24 AM
Ravenguard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

The thing is I fed individually instead of giving all the fruits at the same time, which means that one step would negate the previous ones and your example is only valid if you feed every fruit you need at the same time.

That simply does not matter.

For example, and feed one at a time:

Feed1: Xelphatol Apple (+R -G -B)
Result: (+1R -1G -1B)

Feed2: Mamook Pear (-R +G -B)
Result: (+0R -0G -2B) This negates the increase in RED and GREEN from the previous Fruit.

Feed3: O'Ghomoro Berry (-R -G +B)
Result: (-1R -1G -1B)

By the third feed, you would have an overall decrease in ALL colors.
08-25-2014, 10:30 AM
Phyllo

Yes but what I'm saying is that for exemple, when I fed my valfruit 11 times successfully, if I follow your logic the result would have been

R+11 G-11 B+11

Which means that instead of getting light pink I would have gotten purple since the value of red and blue went sky rocket high, which did not happen, see what I mean?
The first feed itself is opposing what you say
08-25-2014, 10:34 AM
GavarKhai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenguard

Alright! Let's take look at the current colors:

Original: Storm Blue
30R 58G 107B

Current: Royal Blue
34R 42G 96B

Desired: Soot Black
37R 35G 30B

You're on the right path, and now need to continue reducing BLUEs. You want the RED to change as little as possible in the process. Try this for your next feed:

x5 Mamook Pear
x5 Xelphatol Apple

Whileyour REDs and GREENs should stay relatively even, it will again drastically reduce your BLUEs (which is the goal as you move toward Soot Black).

that ended up giving me grape purple which is about 20 away in reds and blues and very close to the green value for soot black. what do you think i should feed it next?
08-25-2014, 10:35 AM
Lumia

Quote:

Originally Posted by LyricalMelody

I have a chocobo color mapping project that I am working on using the data I have gathered/am gathering.

Chocobo Color Mapping

This is just a spreadsheet for now. You can mouse over colors to see if they have notes on them regarding color combos.

I fed pears until one feather growth message for both of these.

From Raptor Blue, + Pear(s) = Peacock Blue
From Peacock Blue + Pear(s) = Turquoise Green
08-25-2014, 10:36 AM
Rulan

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowybell

Hmm, so on the first rolandberry red, did you intentionally change it to grape purple before changing to to rolandberry red?
OR was that a mistake?

So i could just jump from Rolandberry red to kobold brown?

No, I didn't intend for it to go to grape purple, so just skip it.
08-25-2014, 10:37 AM
Ravenguard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

Yes but what I'm saying is that for exemple, when I fed my valfruit 11 times successfully, if I follow your logic the result would have been

R+11 G-11 B+11

Which means that instead of getting light pink I would have gotten purple since the value of red and blue went sky rocket high, which did not happen, see what I mean?
The first feed itself is opposing what you say

You need to keep in mind that the Chocobo's starting color is Desert Yellow. Desert Yellow is initially very high in REDs high in GREENs and low in BLUEs. You added REDs (making the value even higher) and BLUEs (raising it up) while slightly reducing the already high GREENs by a little amount.

The result: Pink.

Just because on a normal color wheel Red and Blue make purple, you also need to consider what color you are adding it to initially.

The Color wheel and a computer's RGB color pallet don't work in exactly the same fashion.
08-25-2014, 10:40 AM
Phyllo

Yes that much I know but that light of a pink should be impossible to obtain if my red value (that was already high) got increased that much, even if the blue is still low, if I followed your logic I should have gotten at best something like coral pink, a very dark shade of pink.
08-25-2014, 10:42 AM
Kerberus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

Yes but what I'm saying is that for exemple, when I fed my valfruit 11 times successfully, if I follow your logic the result would have been

R+11 G-11 B+11

Which means that instead of getting light pink I would have gotten purple since the value of red and blue went sky rocket high, which did not happen, see what I mean?
The first feed itself is opposing what you say

Uh, you're not considering the Base color in your situation...

Desert yellow (216 175 80) has HIGH values of red, and really LOW values of blue, in no way it would end in a strong purple.
08-25-2014, 10:46 AM
Ravenguard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

Yes that much I know but that light of a pink should be impossible to obtain if my red value (that was already high) got increased that much, even if the blue is still low, if I followed your logic I should have gotten at best something like coral pink, a very dark shade of pink.

I preface almost every post where I assist someone with a point that states that is isn't an exact science as the fruits don't give a flat "5" to increasing or decreasing color values.
I just use an integer for the ease of calculating. The values a fruit can change a color value appear to range from +/-3 to +/-6.

Some might get a light Pink, or a medium Pinkish-red, if the values of those two colors are very similiar, using the same fruit because of the slight RNG of the fruit.
08-25-2014, 10:47 AM
Phyllo

Yes I realized I forgotten that fact and thus corrected it in the previous post ^^'
08-25-2014, 10:48 AM
Markas

on a side note, idk if this has been posted before (thread tl;dr) but i got 12 bags of Gysahl greens seeds from intercrossing between two choco fruit plants.
08-25-2014, 10:50 AM
Shyluv

I got almost every red and a few purples. Can someone please try to help me get to Rolanberry red from Blood red?
08-25-2014, 10:50 AM
Phyllo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenguard

I preface almost every post where I assist someone with a point that states that is isn't an exact science as the fruits don't give a flat "5" to increasing or decreasing color values.
I just use an integer for the ease of calculating. The values a fruit can change a color value appear to range from +/-3 to +/-6.

Some might get a light Pink, or a medium Pinkish-red using the same fruit "because RNG".

That explanation I can accept but the problem is now, is it merely your assumption or a proven fact?
Not that I'm doubting your words but for now we have no precise value whatsoever, I remember someone got coral (I think?) with only two pineapples even tho his(her?) red was really low, which means that there definitely is some heavy RNG in this, but can we actually efficiently predict the value range or is it just another guess like my lucky predictions were?
08-25-2014, 10:53 AM
Gilgameshkun

Currant Purple

It is night but ill take a pic during the day.
08-25-2014, 10:58 AM
Ravenguard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

That explanation I can accept but the problem is now, is it merely your assumption or a proven fact?
Not that I'm doubting your words but for now we have no precise value whatsoever, I remember someone got coral (I think?) with only two pineapples even tho his(her?) red was really low, which means that there definitely is some heavy RNG in this, but can we actually efficiently predict the value range or is it just another guess like my lucky predictions were?

It is less heavy RNG than you might think, but it exists none-the-less.

I have personally and meticulously gone over many reported feeding results where the reported starting plumage was the default Desert Yellow, and only feed X amount of one type of fruit, to arrive at the estimated value ranges I use in my color value calculations.

I navigate my way around the plumage (RGB) color pallet using math, but it gets exceptionally harder to land on a specific color when the person is one or two shades away.
08-25-2014, 11:08 AM
Phyllo

Seems like a lot of work :/

why the hell do they have to bring RNG in every single bit of content? as if pin pointing the number of fruits you need to feed wasn't enough >_>
(Anyway, that's another debate)

If there is that kind if RNG it's funny how I predicted so well the results I'd get considering I've always had quite a bad luck for everything IRL, yet this game makes it the other way around here xD
08-25-2014, 11:09 AM
Aeliott

Quote:

Originally Posted by DududeDude

Code:

Amount fed | Color | (RRR, GGG, BBB) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Starting Color | Desert Yellow | (216, 175, 80) +3 O'ghomoro Berries, 3 total | Cork Brown | (197, 139, 79) +1 O'ghomoro Berries, 4 total | Ul Brown | (178, 157, 105) +3 O'ghomoro Berries, 7 total | Gobbiebag Brown | (180, 158, 130) +2 O'ghomoro Berries, 9 total | Shale Brown | (140, 122, 101) +2 O'ghomoro Berries, 11 total | Goobbue Grey | (130, 128, 125) +3 O'ghomoro Berries, 14 total | Lavender Blue | (128, 120, 169)

In theory if the change is steady someone could test whether it's amount of fruits or new feathers messages by seeing what happens if they feed O'ghomoro Berries and get the message 6 times? At least if I'm understanding things correctly.

To add to this, I got Sky Blue by doing this process until Lavender blue, then using Plums until one new feather message. That said, I got 2 feather messages from Berries after getting Shale Brown but still ended up at Goobbue Grey, so unfortunately it seems that it's not so simple :(

http://i.imgur.com/ObOLaBf.jpg
08-25-2014, 11:11 AM
Ravenguard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyllo

Seems like a lot of work :/

why the hell do they have to bring RNG in every single bit of content? as if pin pointing the number of fruits you need to feed wasn't enough >_>
(Anyway, that's another debate)

Quite possibly because Square-Enix is maniacal, or maybe because I'm masochistic, or a little bit of both :)
08-25-2014, 11:12 AM
Angelusdemonus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shyluv

I got almost every red and a few purples. Can someone please try to help me get to Rolanberry red from Blood red?

Rolanberry Red should be about two steps from Blood Red using Berries.

I can't say how many you'll need. However, I'm fairly certain using berries will produce this:

Blood Red > Dalamud Red > Rolanberry Red.

If you do it in two 6hr sessions (one session of berries until you get "new feathers", stop, another sessions of berries until "new feathers", stop), you should hit it with a very good chance. But if you don't, let us know what you get!
08-25-2014, 11:14 AM
Phyllo

Huh.. That's weird how the green went up and then down even tho there's only been one kind fruit used here

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aeliott

To add to this, I got Sky Blue by doing this process until Lavender blue, then using Plums until one new feather message. That said, I got 2 feather messages from Berries after getting Shale Brown but still ended up at Goobbue Grey, so unfortunately it seems that it's not so simple :(

http://i.imgur.com/t29lv6Z.jpg

Yeah, after I saw how my friends were struggling to get the color they wanted I went back from white and settled on ice blue, so far it's my favorite and don't think I'll experiment more than this already lost tons of money on this xD
*
(Oh and btw, no relation whatsoever but, I'll post your sketch tomorrow Aeliott, sorry for the wait :S)

Raven, That's past being maniac it's pure sadism >_<
08-25-2014, 11:18 AM
Lumidus

I think the only RNG here is if the fruit will proc the change in new feathers? If someone is just going buy someone else's # of fruit to get the color you wanted. It might not use the same # on your chocobo. Instead count the number of new feather change
08-25-2014, 11:18 AM
Philio

Old Color: Deepwood Green -> R25 G36 B28

Given 2 Valfruite

Current Color: Hunter Green R34 G68 B38

Desired Color: Soot Black R37 G35 B30

Any ideas on what to do next to try to get soot black? I was thinking giving him 6 mamook pear to lower the Green?

Please let me know >.<
08-25-2014, 11:19 AM
Chiral

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumidus

I think the only RNG here is if the fruit will proc the change in new feathers? If someone is just going buy someone else's # of fruit to get the color you wanted. It might not use the same # on your chocobo. Instead count the number of new feather change

^ This seems to be correct.
08-25-2014, 11:22 AM
Phyllo

Philio, Hmm, at this point I think the safest way (might be expensive tho) would be to feed one of each (with proc that is)
Might be wrong tho

Lumidus, yes the number of fruit is irrelevant, what matters is the number of procs you get
08-25-2014, 11:25 AM
Chek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chek

Will give this a shot as soon as my crops come in, thanks for the suggestion.

Update on my plum purple predicament: 5 pears from plum purple got me to ceruleum blue.
08-25-2014, 11:27 AM
Chiral

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenguard

You need to keep in mind that the Chocobo's starting color is Desert Yellow. Desert Yellow is initially very high in REDs high in GREENs and low in BLUEs. You added REDs (making the value even higher) and BLUEs (raising it up) while slightly reducing the already high GREENs by a little amount.

The result: Pink.

Just because on a normal color wheel Red and Blue make purple, you also need to consider what color you are adding it to initially.

The Color wheel and a computer's RGB color pallet don't work in exactly the same fashion.

Adding reds and blues didn't make pink because 'red' was increased and 'green' decreased. It made pink because red+blue=magenta. If you had a 100% magenta (pink) chocobo, made by feeding lots of red and blue increasing fruits, changing the level of GREEN is only going to affect the intensity of the color (light magenta, dark magenta.)
08-25-2014, 11:28 AM
Shyluv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelusdemonus

Rolanberry Red should be about two steps from Blood Red using Berries.

I can't say how many you'll need. However, I'm fairly certain using berries will produce this:

Blood Red > Dalamud Red > Rolanberry Red.

If you do it in two 6hr sessions (one session of berries until you get "new feathers", stop, another sessions of berries until "new feathers", stop), you should hit it with a very good chance. But if you don't, let us know what you get!

Thank you very much. :) I will try this and update how it goes.
08-25-2014, 11:30 AM
Philio

Just fed it 11 mamook pears and i got the new feather message... now i wait...
08-25-2014, 11:31 AM
Phyllo

Prepare for some kobold brown xD (jokin... I hope :S)
08-25-2014, 11:32 AM
corticarte

only 2 ppl ive seen on my server so far with black chocos

http://i.imgur.com/JxYccIS.png

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