Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I don't recall if it was ever addressed, but if it was, I guess it's technically a hot take(?): we should've healed Thancred and Y'shtola when we remade their bodies using a mix of aether and dynamis. Both their handicaps are caused by aether, but I doubt the damage was such that it affected even their soul.

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We can create piggies to help people affected by light aether and help a zone create matter out of nowhere but we apparently never think about healing our disabled friends. Wheelchair guy comes to mind aswell.

The mere presence of the Scions actively hinders the game's story.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The mere presence of the Scions actively hinders the game's story.

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The game tries so hard to make us want the Scions around, but I'm burned out from their presence after 6.0.

Island Sanctuary should include the Chocobo Stable, Marketboard, and Glamour Dresser.

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

Island Sanctuary should include the Chocobo Stable, Marketboard, and Glamour Dresser.

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The Stable and Dresser I could see but I think they’d use the same reasoning for market boards as they did with Mor Dhona way back when.

Lots of people requested them to add a market board there since there was a lot of crafting quests and things in the area. But S.Es response at the time was, ‘we don’t want to create a situation where non-city-states are flooded by players because they have market boards’. It’s the same reason there aren’t market boards in Idyllshire, Eulmore or Radz-at-Han.

No doubt they’d pull out the ‘server limitations’ thing too lol. Personally I think market boards should be available in certain non-state areas. At the very least they should put some in the endgame / time stone exchange cities lol

Island Sanctuary should've included instanced housing in exchange for your private one if you happened to have one; and wards should've been made FC only, with all small plots upgraded to medium plots.

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Originally Posted by Connor

The Stable and Dresser I could see but I think they’d use the same reasoning for market boards as they did with Mor Dhona way back when.

Lots of people requested them to add a market board there since there was a lot of crafting quests and things in the area. But S.Es response at the time was, ‘we don’t want to create a situation where non-city-states are flooded by players because they have market boards’. It’s the same reason there aren’t market boards in Idyllshire, Eulmore or Radz-at-Han.

No doubt they’d pull out the ‘server limitations’ thing too lol. Personally I think market boards should be available in certain non-state areas. At the very least they should put some in the endgame / time stone exchange cities lol

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They dont care about leaving every other zone being dead, so why care about the cities? Cause players start there and it would leave a bad impression?

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

Rogue should have never merged with Ninja, it should have remained Thief. FFXIV Devs did a iconic job, THF wrong

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Fr tho. I don't hate NIN, I got it to 90, but I was so into the ROG fantasy up to that point, I couldn't help but be disappointed when it took the left turn that it did.

That said, I won't pretend I have any ideas for how they could've stretched ROG into a hypothetical THF direction that wouldn't have functionally resembled NIN anyway, and I have to assume the devs didn't know either lol.

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

Fr tho. I don't hate NIN, I got it to 90, but I was so into the ROG fantasy up to that point, I couldn't help but be disappointed when it took the left turn that it did.

That said, I won't pretend I have any ideas for how they could've stretched ROG into a hypothetical THF direction that wouldn't have functionally resembled NIN anyway, and I have to assume the devs didn't know either lol.

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Thief Lv 50 Jobquest: The big heist at the Sultana's place
Objective: Get them coins!

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Originally Posted by Connor

Lots of people requested them to add a market board there since there was a lot of crafting quests and things in the area. But S.Es response at the time was, ‘we don’t want to create a situation where non-city-states are flooded by players because they have market boards’. It’s the same reason there aren’t market boards in Idyllshire, Eulmore or Radz-at-Han.

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Low-key drives me crazy that they put a market board in exclusionary Sharlayan over Radz -- canonically famous for its trade, complete with a dramatic arc about its trade lol.

I assume it was to keep Sharlayan alive, since so much of the endgame is centered in Radz otherwise. But I end up just using Ul'dah's or the one near my FC house anyway, so can't say that worked on me.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Thief Lv 50 Jobquest: The big heist at the Sultana's place
Objective: Get them coins!

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Oh, hell yeah, the narrative possibilities for their job quests are limitless. That was a big part of my FOMO once I had to graduate to Ninja, that I wasn't getting anymore of that flavor -- but I could just imagine the possibilities.

Gameplay-wise, though, I assume THF would have been just as combo-oriented and backstabby as NIN. Never say never, of course, but at least from that perspective, I understand why the devs had to pick only one or the other. I just wish it had been THF, if only for the fantasy.

That said, I know there are plenty of Ninja-lovers out there, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

Rogue should have never merged with Ninja, it should have remained Thief. FFXIV Devs did a iconic job, THF wrong

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But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

Y'shtola bongo cat should be a thing.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

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Personally, I think it would've been pretty cool if, to keep with the Final Fantasy tradition, having Thief be a job back during ARR that Rogue turns into. Thief has been avoided due to affiliations with crime and morality unbefitting of a Warrior of Light, and I can respect that mindset to a point, but I do think they could easily have spun the Thief job to be about espionage--like spies for Uldah who infiltrate and sabotage the corrupted wealthy who use their resources to avoid the law. Meanwhile, Ninja could've been added as a physical ranged job using a shuriken like with Yuffie rather than daggers. There's overlap in those identities, but Thief could've been spun about being more utility with an information gathering focus in contrast to the status as guards and assassins that Doma's shinobi embody.

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

Gameplay-wise, though, I assume THF would have been just as combo-oriented and backstabby as NIN. Never say never, of course, but at least from that perspective, I understand why the devs had to pick only one or the other. I just wish it had been THF, if only for the fantasy.

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I like how Guild Wars 2 made their Thief's Steal ability steal an "item" from the target the thief could then use as a weapon or ability and different races/species and enemies had different items you could steal. ｡ﾟ✶ฺ.ヽ(*´∀`*)ﾉ.✶ฺﾟ｡

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Thief has been avoided due to affiliations with crime and morality unbefitting of a Warrior of Light

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I could never really buy that explanation, personally, because the Rogue storyline itself already proved they could give the archetype a(n anti)heroic spin. And hell, everyone knows Robin Hood. The Thief with a Heart of Gold is not a new concept, and the team's more than demonstrated they're very familiar lol. Imo, the excuse offered was platitude.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I like how Guild Wars 2 made their Thief's Steal ability steal an "item" from the target the thief could then use as a weapon or ability and different races/species and enemies had different items you could steal. ｡ﾟ✶ฺ.ヽ(*´∀`*)ﾉ.✶ฺﾟ｡

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Another game I have a lot of love for. <3

On MCH, I miss the Ammo mechanic. (╯✧∇✧)╯
Having your character load 'em up and cock the gun was really satisfying. Scattershot has that same feeling now but still.
I would love if they took the bow/gun-mage gameplay and concept of HW's BRD and MCH and made a new caster job out of it: weak insta-cast spells that become stronger but gain a cast time whenever the user manually turns on a stance-ability and they have one or two abilities that give them stack to make those spells strong and insta-cast. (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

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FFXI THF and NIN was their own thing, only thing they had was the same was using daggers

Also, I enjoyed Godbert's gameplay: Gain stacks after doing your combo to use for abilities and drop-kicking around the battlefied.
I would really love a job that dashes and runs around battlefield (kind of like Titus's hit and run strategy from Dissidia). ヽ(´ω｀○)ﾉ.+ﾟ*｡:ﾟ+

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Personally, I think it would've been pretty cool if, to keep with the Final Fantasy tradition, having Thief be a job back during ARR that Rogue turns into. Thief has been avoided due to affiliations with crime and morality unbefitting of a Warrior of Light, and I can respect that mindset to a point, but I do think they could easily have spun the Thief job to be about espionage--like spies for Uldah who infiltrate and sabotage the corrupted wealthy who use their resources to avoid the law. Meanwhile, Ninja could've been added as a physical ranged job using a shuriken like with Yuffie rather than daggers. There's overlap in those identities, but Thief could've been spun about being more utility with an information gathering focus in contrast to the status as guards and assassins that Doma's shinobi embody.

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that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard... in FFXI Ninja and Thief are very different jobs, only thing they have in common is they can both use daggers (THF: Rank A in Daggers, NIN: Rank C in daggers) but FFXI jobs can use a lot of weapons and not just tied to one weapon like xiv jobs. jobs using daggers doesn't overlap identity.


in FFXI, you are the WoL, fighting to save the world of Vana'diel from engulfed by darkness, you can do all of this as a THF.

so that mindset makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Also, I enjoyed Godbert's gameplay: Gain stacks after doing your combo to use for abilities and drop-kicking around the battlefied.
I would really love a job that dashes and runs around battlefield (kind of like Titus's hit and run strategy from Dissidia). ヽ(´ω｀○)ﾉ.+ﾟ*｡:ﾟ+

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Normally I loathe the "play as X npc" type of fights, but I got to admit playing as Godbert was actually really fun

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I love THF, whoever said THF was associated with "evil" never played a final fantasy game before

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

FFXI THF and NIN was their own thing, only thing they had was the same was using daggers

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NIN in 11 can use daggers, but its main weapon was, "katanas" in the wakizashi/kunai type. Had their own weaponskills and were slashing damage compared to daggers largely being piercing damage.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

NIN in 11 can use daggers, but its main weapon was, "katanas" in the wakizashi/kunai type. Had their own weaponskills and were slashing damage compared to daggers largely being piercing damage.

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ooohh your right, I assumed they main was daggers, I haven't played NIN yet, only a Dancer main and THF main lol

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

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I love THF, whoever said THF was associated with "evil" never played a final fantasy game before

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Yup! Thief has been a job class in Final Fantasy for how long? Would make for a fun alternative job class to Ninja in XIV if your not into the whole mudra and Bunchin thing.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Yup! Thief has been a job class in Final Fantasy for how long? Would make for a fun alternative job class to Ninja in XIV if your not into the whole mudra and Bunchin thing.

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Thief was one of the starting ones, introduced in the very first game. They couldn't steal back then though. They did upgrade to ninjas in that game too.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard... in FFXI Ninja and Thief are very different jobs, only thing they have in common is they can both use daggers (THF: Rank A in Daggers, NIN: Rank C in daggers) but FFXI jobs can use a lot of weapons and not just tied to one weapon like xiv jobs. jobs using daggers doesn't overlap identity.


in FFXI, you are the WoL, fighting to save the world of Vana'diel from engulfed by darkness, you can do all of this as a THF.

so that mindset makes no sense.

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Did someone spit in your cereal this morning? Why the nastiness?

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Normally I loathe the "play as X npc" type of fights, but I got to admit playing as Godbert was actually really fun

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Godbert was better imo for two simple reasons.
1. You were playing a unique character with it's own custom abilities and not just a gimped version of an existing job, as is so often the case with playing an NPC.
2. It was over rather quickly, the NPC battle usually get stretched out way too long.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Thief was one of the starting ones, introduced in the very first game. They couldn't steal back then though. They did upgrade to ninjas in that game too.

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They couldn't steal back then...? That. That is just...lmao! xD

And unfortunately, Rogues are what XIV's Thieves become lore wise, following that tradition of Thief becoming Ninja in its own way.

Though maybe we can get a job that could be Thief-like.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

FFXI THF and NIN was their own thing, only thing they had was the same was using daggers

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And that's FFXI, but FFXIV isn't "FFXI-2" as much as some people like to pretend it is, it is a Final Fantasy game, so claiming it "did the iconic job wrong" is ridiculous when it has a depiction more accurate to the older games than FFXI did, if anything, it's FFXI that failed the legacy, and FFXIV course-corrected to what it has always been.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

And that's FFXI, but FFXIV isn't "FFXI-2" as much as some people like to pretend it is, it is a Final Fantasy game, so claiming it "did the iconic job wrong" is ridiculous when it has a depiction more accurate to the older games than FFXI did, if anything, it's FFXI that failed the legacy, and FFXIV course-corrected to what it has always been.

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FFXIV failed THF like FFXIV Failed Ranger and Bard, and made bard which has always been a support to a Ranger that plays music.

FFXI was true to what THF is and what NIN,was also true to what bard is, a Heavy Support job, and red mage too, A jack of all trades, master of none

instead FFXIV is just a Orgy with all the FF games and a homogenized job system with a very very boring battle system

funny you say FFXIV isn't FFXI-2 but all the original races are watered down versions of FFXI races lol

We should have three types of glamours dressers if we never get a better system:

1. Gear Dresser

2. Weapon Dresser

3. Accessory Dresser

With them all having up to 800 or more available slots, because with the current system, we'll never be able to hold all the glamour that we actually want.

And of course, all the dressers would be connected, just like how the Armour chest is to the current glamour dresser.

We should have housing on the moon.


*Apologizes if this was mentioned.*

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Are you including Ultima Thule's BGM in that assessment?


Because it makes me actively avoid that zone.

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Minus this zone. Completely forgot it exists, as I also avoid it for that reason. Everything else was decent though. Maybe. Honestly I just think Endwalker is shite lmao

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Originally Posted by Anienai

We should have housing on the moon.

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To be fair... I think that makes a lot of sense, since we already know they have the facilities (regardless of how ill-conceived they might've been originally lol).

Gaia's face disturbs me.

(Love her hair, though)

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Originally Posted by Thi

The crafting system in this game isn't fun.

Would rather have traditional MMO crafting where you afk process materials then one click craft.

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Honestly, yes. The crafting in this game is way too convaluted to be fun. At the end of the day it's macros anyway.

It shouldn't be against ToS to call someone out for being bad. They aren't going to improve if they don't receive feedback informing them of their failure to perform.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

Gaia's face disturbs me.

(Love her hair, though)

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She's a clone of Liv Tyler, and I agree with you.

Dark Knight's weapon spam should be redesigned into the Job just building up its gauge to unleash ONE powerful attack. Alot like how the Shadowbringer's trailer shows off the WoL destroying that powerful Sin Eater with just to overwhelming strikes.

It would fit better with Dark Knight, considering the massice blade it swings around. So naturally, being able to cleave enemies within just a few hits should be a given. It qould also help its identity as a tank not be so similar to Warrior's tank dps spamming, too.