Just had the oddest Brayflox NM run. Well, the oddest tank, anyway. They started off by pulling the first two packs together, then died because the healer want prepared for that. Then of course the healer died, and the BLM too. I survived only because I only had aggro on one mob so the rest didn't go after me. And the tank kept rushing ahead throughout, except in the one large room they spent a lot of time pulling every single mob pack in a seemingly random order. During this they did a too-large pull once again which wiped them and the healer and eventually the BLM too. Again I managed to survive only by running away really fast, with all the mobs trailing after me until I met the rest of the party again and we managed to get them down. And all the time during fights, they were constantly, slowly, sliding forwards and backwards into and out of the mobs. To the point where they would end up spinning the mobs and making hitting positionals just that bit more annoying.
But at least they knew how to position the final boss. Although, again, they ended up spinning him at least once due to walking into him. And they never said a single word.
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01-16-2016, 06:33 AMSpiritMuse
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01-16-2016, 06:56 AMMalicewolfActually, that sounds more like an issue with the healer. Though, the tank should have stopped doing big pulls when it failed the 1st time. If the healer couldn't keep him up from 2 mobs, then he really shoulda known that he wasn't going to survive another or more... As for the sliding in and out of mobs, I've had to do that as well depending on the circumstances. First thought is they were avoiding AoE's and the mob was simply too big (therefore, you're basically circling them to avoid as they each start placing AoE's down). Second thought is that since the healer was failing, the next best mitigation tool after using all your CDs is to kite... It may seem silly to see a tank running away from a mob, but even just taking a few less auto attacks a second will greatly help preserve hp. It's not recommended, but from what you wrote, it sounds like the healer just couldn't keep this guy up and the tank was trying to continue doing big pulls and trying to do everything he could to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritMuse
But overall, the fault lies with the tank in terms of his judgement. Just because YOU can handle bigger pulls doesn't mean your team can. I've said it many times, but if one of the trinity roles can't perform, you all will fail. If a tank can't hold aggro, you will wipe. If a healer can't keep the tank alive, you will wipe. If the DPS can't burn the adds, you will likely wipe from resource depletion. -
01-16-2016, 07:13 AMNalyna
I was healing a group today. First thing one of the DPS says is that the tank needs to do big pulls. Okay. You don't know how good the tank is. You don't know how good I am for that matter. For the record, I''m pretty good if I do say so myself, but he doesn't know that. But that wasn't the strange thing. The whole time he's yelling for big pulls, he's hardly DPSing. He's running around in circles, back and forth, jumping around. Throwing a hit here and there. It was like he wanted us to carry him through the dungeon. So even though I could heal the big pulls, they took longer to down than necessary. Weird.
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01-16-2016, 09:55 AMPowe
It was leveling my ninja in brayflox, there was a smn, warrior and a whm. So the warrior is pulling the mobs and stuff, and i notice the whm isn't healing much, like a cure II when the warrior got to half hp but we manage the pulls without dying. But the first boss, it went bad. Warrior died because the whm wasn't healing, i ask if they're still there. The mother types " sorry, she gets distracted easily" it was a 8 year old healing. The party disbanded there.
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01-16-2016, 10:03 AMSpiritMuseNo, it wasn't kiting or just avoiding AoE, I know what that looks like. It was just this very slowly sliding forwards and backwards into the mob they were targeting, all within melee range, during an otherwise normal fight. It was the strangest thing. And the healer was absolutely fine, there was no trouble at all except for the two times the tank overpulled. It was just.... weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicewolf
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01-16-2016, 10:22 AMArtemiz
Well I'm having a great day doing my daily roulettes of fun. It all started when I did my first one, the level 50 roulette. I get Keeper of the Lake which is my least favourite (2nd day in a row now, obviously) but I'm on BLM so I should be good, it all goes well until we get to last boss, tank dies and we wipe. We give him 10 minutes to come back but eventually have to kick at which point the healer bails... so me and the other BLM wait about 10 mins for more replacements before face rolling the boss.
Time for 60 roulette which i obviously get BLM's best friend, Nevereap. All goes well untill last boss when tank dies and goes AFK, we eventually have to kick and wait 10 minutes for a rep. I can't believe it's happened to me twice in two runs but whatever.
Next up is Story roulette and I do it as SCH, it went great, woo.
Now for leveling roulette as DRK, I get SV which I'm happy about, its right for my level anyway and I've spammed it as tanks so I know it really well. Turns out the party sucks, I'm not parsing or anything but I didn't need to be to work out I was top DPS as the tank and the healer can barely keep me alive, we get through with the skin of our teeth on the first boss with both DPS dead. Get to second boss where we wipe twice before the vote abandon goes through.....
I'm going to try again now and surely it can't be 4 bad runs in one night but ya never know, after that it's Void Ark and what could possible go wrong there........ lol -
01-16-2016, 10:51 AMVidu
Sooo... I just got my AST to 60 finally... sadly, the last part was long and painful journey through the libary - I actually love that dungeon so I was looking forward to it! But now... I have to share some stories because otherwise I wont be able to sleep tonight, boiling with so much anger...
1) First run! Got a paladin with 10k HP... wait, I ask myself, why does he has nearly as much HP as the dragoon, thats weird? Turns out hes one of those "only-str"-tanks, well, okay I can deal with that, he'll use cooldowns, right? ...nope, he wont... because I wanna help deeps a bit I switch cleric on and off anyways... sadly, and I have to admit it was my fault, he dies and is freaking out on me that I should stop dpsing since its not my job and that I shouldnt mess around with cards but only heal him... at that point I ask him for str-gear, because, well after all he is a tank, right?! Been told that every tank is using str-jewls now - I'm already pissed and reply with "yeah and every healer is dpsing today, so whats your problem?" We're making our way to the second boss, I have yet to see a CD - asking him about that a few times and been told that he wont need CDs and that I'm only a lzay dps-healer for asking for them. Yup, lazy, for not only casting my 2 healing spells. Takling a deeeeeep breath at that point. Apologized for his death and admit that I was trying to use a skill I wasnt familiar yet because I just got it (the bubble didnt had the effect I was hoping for...), tell him that I main paladin and I'm mostly using CDs to allow my healer to help dps if he could do so aswell, please?
...and... the miracle happens... hes behaving like an adult - doesnt say a word but there they are! All the pretty, shiney, paladin-cooldowns I've been missing so much!
Sadly, the bard wasnt that clever - he kept his ballad up for the whole run even though I told him four times that I dont need it...
2) Second run! Quite smooth - but our dragoon is using the lb on the first boss, really no big deal, it will be back before we even reach boss 2, let alone the last one. Ninjas blames him, I explain why its no problem at all and he explains that he has been told off before doing so... so instead of using his brain and adepted that reasoning to call other people out - gg!
3) Third run! A warrior tank this time, totall undergeared - still a bit of AF2, poetics and strat-gear, a level 54 axe... well, not so great... constantly loosing aggro aswell - to me, the dps, everyone... but we will manage, right?! ...nope, we wont, not with this tank at least - he got his war to 60 right before the first boss and bails... managed to get a friend in and had the most beautiful libary-run after all!
4) Last one! Everything seems fine so far... but I noticed that mobs are dying extremly sloooow... dragoon is lagging, so might be because of that? Turns he out he isnt only lagging but also has NO idea about how to play his class. Kepping heavy thrust up is the best I can say about him... no dots, no debuffs, no buffs, no heart of the dragon (the new HW-skill, not sure if its really called that?). I ask for it, because mobs not dying makes me nervous. Hes using them for like 2 pulls? after we finished the dungeon within an hour(!) I advice him to look into his dragoonskills again, because he could improve by quite a bit... getting the (sadly) normal response "Dont tell me how to play!" - I knew I would get that, still makes me angry because I'm so sick of people close/at level 60 that doesnt have a clue about how to play their class - if you cant do more than 1, 2, 3 go, level bard, dont pick one of the hardest jobs in the game, please...
...even though... I met at least 3 bards while leveling who didnt had their menuett - level 55, 57 and 59 - because they never did their job quests... well, my ast is level 60 now though, so I can avoid the DF for a while... -
01-16-2016, 12:31 PMSaiah
Doing the Vault as monk. The tank was a DRK who seemed to be playing around with his attack animation. Everytime he used an ability he would run through the enemy, turning him around. Making it rather difficult for me and the dragoon to apply positionals. When I asked him what he was doing, he just said he didnt care and told me to adapt.
He had a fitting name. It was something in the lines of "lonewolf".*
I managed to make him stop doing it by lying that I was recording.
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01-16-2016, 12:46 PMHeliantheae
Got a funny story, got CM for my roulette today and everything was fine the entire run. Until the boss fight, I ran over to load the missiles and my foot got stuck. I didn't know what to do, I was hopping up and down like crazy, it looked like I was fuming. I got two comms, but I think that was more my bunny chief glamour than anything.
Yesterday I got Library for daily, it was a join in progress because the other guy hit 60 and just bailed. Apparently it was during the first boss too because they fighting it and complaining about the guy when I joined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidu
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01-16-2016, 12:59 PMAlphaFox
Pretty interesting run in Cutters Cry a few mins ago doing my leveling roulette. Pretty much half asleep and after 20mins of waiting finally got in on my Blackmage. Get in and our tank is a Paladin, we say our hellos, pulls the first group and the first fire spell I cast I take hate. Think nothing of it as we also got the first time bonus so I just figure i'll calm down and wait. Check the tank and realize its not him as he has level 60s. Get to the first boss and he holds hate fairly fine for the most part, I am dancing on the line of Orange tho. Realize that he is on Sword oath, having waited I just kinda shruged it off as we are making progress. Second boss comes and basically its a tug-of-war between me, the paladin and the dragoon. After he goes under I speak up "Isn't shield oath level 40?" I see the tank freeze and I brace for insults, Shield Oath is up and after he says "it was greyed out, thought it was level 45" we laugh and the rest of the run goes on with no issue. :3
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01-16-2016, 01:15 PMErys
>Be me
>Be dragoon
>Go expert
>Pharos
>Other dragoon
>Full 210
>Spoiler alert: Veryderpgoon
>Tank does the standard pull
>Other drg does nothing, AA only
>I get kicked without a word
>What? -
01-16-2016, 04:05 PMKinnisonArc
Just some short DF story happened earlier. This also partially qualifies for the "Healing Horror Story" topic
So I was on the tome grind again and noticed the roulette bonus is for healers so haven't been playing my AST for awhile I decided to queue as that and ended up in Gubal Library, so everything went well save for the part the tank didn't notice and got oneshot by lv5 death but quickly apologized later. (Good guy tank)
Then at the last boss while I got in melee range to CO both the tank and the DPS (both ninjas) and the boss had to target me with the vuln orbs while I had that 'perfectly timed' lag spike (thanks) and it ended up near the middle. During the first add phase I immediately ran across the arena trying to lock the panels up and unknowningly one of the ninja took a few vuln orbs damage + debuff, I tried to get close to heal him but he's on the other side while I was locking out the adds before it spawns. Then he died to another orb blast on top of the massive debuff (dun dunn dunn) and guess what? He called me a "stupid healer". I've patiently dealt with plenty of bad tanks or DPS in DF as a decent healer before but this is one of those rare occasion that someone decided to pin the blame and call me stupid just because he's a genius enough to die to mechanics.
Welp knowing that I have the power to judge life and death and could have brought yet another death to him after I ress him, but I'm being merciful today so at most he only gets an AB regen and no cards for the rest of the fight. He survived (grats) after gaining some intelligence and we cleared the fight, I wanted to tell him off with something very polite like he could have watch out for the orbs but he immediately left the instance out of whatever reason. When I got out I wanted to blacklist him (yeah blacklist isn't just for RMT) but he's on another server and I don't feel like reporting an idiot so I move on hoping he steps on a lego or something 8^) -
01-16-2016, 06:29 PMJpec07
Fun times for me today. I'm working on a Conjurer/WHM alt, and I decided to queue for my leveling roulette. I'm a little green when it comes to healing, but it's challenging and I really enjoy what I've learned how to do so far.
I'm only level 23, so the choices for leveling roulette are limited to Satsasha, Tam Tara, and Copperbell. I zone in and, to my luck, it's Satsasha. I Protect the party and apologize for being new. Arcanist is also new, but well-geared despite that, and the Rogue a few pulls in complements us on how well we're doing.
Only in what I've been doing, I was watching our Marauder's HP plummet, having to constantly spam Heal on him to keep him up during 3- and 4-mob pulls. It was to the point where I would hop into Cleric Stance, hit the target with Aero, and his HP would have gone from full to 25%, forcing me to play catch up.
I take a look at the guy's gear, and I see nothing but normal quality level 15 armor and weapon on the left side, with nothing on the right (and the guy is synced down to 18). So naturally, this explains a lot, and I just assume the person is new. And especially given some of the rookie mistakes he was making, the Rogue and I decided to give him some advice. Rogue suggests pulling the trash pack to the ranged mobs in the group; I suggest using LoS pulls, marking, and buying rings. The Marauder then gets really indignant, and starts telling us off--the Rogue because they weren't attacking his target (and so pulling off him), and myself because he'd never seen his HP drop so low on "sastasha lol". I retort that he's actually so squishy that I don't even have time to keep Aero up, and that the extra gear could really help, and he says not to worry because he's at A3S on his main and, again, "it's just sastasha lol".
So the Rogue earns his commendation with: "I find it hard to believe that you're running A3S when you can't even tank Satsasha properly."
Tank enters crybaby mode, completely out of retorts, and chainpulls the rest of the dungeon, forcing me to burn through all of my mana to keep them up. And I have to give strong credit to our Arcanist in the group, because when I started to struggle, I noticed them throwing in Psychik casts to help (this being one of the first dungeons they'd run in this game). I honestly wish I could have commended him as well.
But yes. Tanks wearing tissue paper who cry when healers can't keep them alive are a Thing. -
01-17-2016, 08:51 AMAskaRay
Just got a fun run done with three lalas.
Pharos Sirius HM, me (BRD), WAR, BLM, WHM.
Got everything done in about 20 minutes.
I got all their comms too :'O. I wanted to comm all of them but...yeah. Gave my comm to the WHM because there were some crazy pulls in there and man I wouldn't've wanted to heal that.
DF doesn't ALWAYS suck. -
01-17-2016, 09:15 AMWhiteroomIt's nice when that happens, had a great Fractal run earlier, DPS and Tank were on point. Big pulls, good burn, CDs used. Finished fast with no hiccups.Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
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01-17-2016, 01:19 PMIronosHad a similar experience on my SMN. The other SMN would put DoTs on one target in packs on 5+ while I was going all out with my DPS and I get kicked with only the words "wtf smn?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Erys
I can only imagine they couldn't tell the difference between the two SMN, or DRG in your case. I mean, all dps look alike, right? -
01-17-2016, 03:13 PMErysI really hope so, if that was the case... I pity them, it should've been hard to carry that drg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironos
Another pharos story, same day as the kick I was talking about.
I went in with a bard from my fc, all is ok. Tank triggers big room bomb generator, the room after the big dragon like stone creature, by standing in the hallway right before it.
I run to save the day and destroy the bomb generators and not having all the mobs behind the walls spawn, bard does so too. We clear the room, tank and healer die for no apparent reason in the other room, we don't, I get kicked.
TL;DR Tank fucked up, drg and bard save the day, drg gets kicked. -
01-17-2016, 04:01 PMMeimi_chan
I was spamming Dzemael Darkhold to reach 50 with Astrologian (I love this dungeon, I would have queued for aurum vale but people usually leave immediately...).
As soon the group loads in, the tank leaves.
So it's me and the 2 DPS that probably waited forever (BRD and BLM).
We sit around a bit waiting for a replacement, BRD goes afk for a fast smoke.
When he is back I propose to try to 3 man the dungeon, I mean it's still experience and we all needed it; I am greeted with positive response so we proceed.
We do small pulls, BLM sleeps mobs while BRD kites a bit and I heal/dps.
We actually managed to reach the second boss with no wipes (I died 2 times on the way there because I miscauculated the damage some of the orobons would do on me, party survived by kiting while waiting for me to respawn).
At that point a lightbulb lit up in my head (and I facepalmed hard), so I asked my FC if someone was willing to tank in progress.... Why didn't I think of that before..?
Honestly, I didn't expect we would go that far...
FC friend joined us and she tanked from the second boss to the end of the duty.
It was a fun little experience, I would totally do it again. :D -
01-17-2016, 05:51 PMcgbspender
Aurum Vale last night. Had a tank who reached 9 and 11 stacks on boss. After the first wipe, he wrote " regen !'. I had never been so quick at answering a blame. Not to mention he got hit by the morbol's breathe 5 or 6 times.
I was the healer. -
01-17-2016, 06:32 PMAshkendor
Landed in St. Mocianne's tonight with a friend (not the usual friend, but still a WAR). I was on SCH. We got 2 SMN as our DPS. As soon as we queue in, the two SMN greet each other, each happy to see another SMN. Then one asks for big pulls.
We melted that place. Arcanist powah! Apply moar dots.
Dude, how did the fights even go long enough for him to hit 9 and 11 stacks? o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by cgbspender
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01-18-2016, 12:37 AMcgbspender
I think it's because they let the seeds spawn during last boss. The tank went from 3 or 4 stacks to 9/11 which corresponds to the number of adds. That would be my best guess.
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01-18-2016, 01:03 AMGhishlain
When you step into Trial DR and end up getting Bismark HM with one new person. General party comments were "Well crap!"
Manage to one cycle both Bismark back phases without issue and serpent phase was fastest serpent phase you've ever seen.
I wish I could've commended everyone that day ; ; -
01-18-2016, 01:26 AMSaiah
Tanks that think DPS are their dogs and will use LB the second they command them to.
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01-18-2016, 01:37 AMKolaina
DPS that wait til 2% boss hp to LB
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01-18-2016, 02:07 AMMinseo
A1 Normal, DPS fail to get the adds and my friend gets kicked for calling them out on it.
Ahhh, duty finder. -
01-18-2016, 02:41 AMWhiteroomWhile running for my Relic (as tank) I found about half the runs had at least one bomb hit. In A4 as MT, I usually have to grab 1-2 adds each pop. I really hope this training hall teaches people to pay attention to mechanics as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minseo
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01-18-2016, 03:07 AMMinseoHonestly yeah, I'm tired of getting kicked because I want the run to actually go smoothly.Quote:
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01-18-2016, 03:12 AMEidolonIt won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minseo
Ugh... I remember doing A1's and A4's on my WAR, DRK, and DRG. People who want to MT "so they don't have to do anything" (so they dont' bother picking up adds. Eugh.) DPS who just burn the leg "Because my dps!" and healers complaining about balls they can easily handle (Though I'll usually move to help with it for 1-2.)
God it's hell on earth in Alexander. No matter what job you go as, the other jobs seem to always find a way to **** it up. -
01-18-2016, 03:36 AMMinseoHey now we can always dream right?Quote:
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01-18-2016, 03:52 AMIlenyaLearned the amusing way that A4 can and will troll you with those balls one of my more recent runs. The other healer and I went to take the balls, I think we both got two of them then both got Perpetual Ray'd and killed. I dunno about anyone else, but I was laughing my head off about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eidolon
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01-18-2016, 04:03 AMAshkendorIf you won't use it, I will. Enjoy that defense bonus! :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Saiah
Dude, I'm having to grab adds as healer in there on a regular basis. It's either grab and kill one add off the other healer or die to all 3 adds while everyone ignores me. I die, we wipe, and people bitch "where da healz??" Then there's the ones that run into the orbs when I'm already standing right on top of them. Thanks genius, now I have to heal both of us. Seriously, some of these DPS need to pull their heads out and handle mechanics correctly. It's like everyone's just forgetting to cross-class Situational Awareness. -.-Quote:
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01-18-2016, 04:21 AMWhiteroomLol, the amount of times I've had Nisi brought to me as MT...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
Omg, the number of tanks I run into that want to run some modified savage set up that their static does but expect you to know what theirs is withou talking... I actually made macros of questions to find out what they wanted, based on how they pulled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minseo
I really dislike when some tank runs it like savage as they are only doing it to show, "Hey! Look! I run savage!"
9/10 pulls are your standard "Pull to the south side." set up. Thats what people are used too, and given they can't even pick up the adds half the time, don't mess with them. I see a bunch of wipes because of this, so it really doesn't save time. -
01-18-2016, 06:15 AMFile2ish
Wait 20-25 minutes for a leveling roulette. Get Dusk Vigil.
Tank pulls first 3 mobs to the first behemoth thing, dies. We wipe. Healer couldn't keep up (SCH), tank (DRK) also not using Grit. Check healer's gear, i100-110 PvP gear (all body, weapon, and accessories). Tank jokes that's the fastest he ever died.
BLM suggests we take it slow. We take it slower.
Things smooth until after the first set of mobs after the first boss. Tank tired of not face pulling and pulls a big group out of tank stance. Healer can't keep up, wipe again.
"I had 5 CDs up" the tank says.
"It's not that hard to heal" says the black mage.
"Kick me if you think I'm bad" replies the Scholar.
I start typing he's doing fine, but before I hit enter he leaves by his own volition and eats the timer.
Tank pulls mobs again healer-less. Laughs when we wipe again, and leaves.
"Good luck my bard friend" says the BLM, as she leaves.
Moral of the story? Don't be a prick; can't adapt to other players and no one will have a good time. Wasted all of our time. -
01-18-2016, 08:14 AMImmutI don't know how it's done in savage but my fc worked out our own way to do a1n. I partly do it because it's better, I mostly do it just to mess with people because after 140 runs I need to spice it up. It's amazing how many tanks don't have any situational awareness whatsoever. They'll just stand there with the tether on because they're kitty-corner to each other and be like I MUST BE ON THE SOUTH WALL, EAST IS VERBOTEN.Quote:
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01-18-2016, 12:47 PMTheUltimateSeph
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So yeah, it's the healers fault, as usual. This was Sohm Al. The accidental pull by me was near the last boss. After a trash pack was over I stopped on some steps to type some more and after a few seconds a dragon came down from the sky and spawned on top of me. I totally forgot about that one >_< Also I let the tank die on accident near the beginning of the dungeon but I raised him quick enough and we didn't wipe so it was a decent recovery. This is what I get for trying to help speed it up though.
The cherry on top, the tank was a warrior.
PS. I'm Seraph Morningstar in case anyone without a brain jumps on the whole defamation thing. (You'd be surprised, or maybe you wouldn't) -
01-18-2016, 05:19 PMMalicewolf
So, I did Ex roulette with an FC mate. Got Aboretum. I tanked it as PLD and we had the following lineup; WHM, BRD, BLM. I do the first pull and I simply only do the 1st group (as I like to gauge my team prior to pulling big). Now usually, when I pull, I start with Shield lob, do a flash, fast blade, savage blade, FoF, CoS, Rage of Halone. I spread out the hits across the 1st three targets. This usually causes me absolutely no issues keeping hate and I just continue my rotation with my enmity combo from here. Nope. Not this time. Now, you'd probably think it'd be the BLM giving me a run for my money. It wasn't. It was the WHM. My god, this person loved Holy. My thoughts:
First Holy: oh, he's using holy, great.
Second Holy: huh, two in a row. Cool.
Third Holy: uh, I think I should flash again.
Fourth Holy: What the what?! Why's he's still using it?! FLASH, FLASH!!!
I didn't really mind this, but it was simply surprising to see a WHM holy so many times in a row. But nothing went wrong with the pull what-so-ever. So we proceeded and the next few mobs, he didn't do that anymore (just the occasional 1 holy). Then we get to the 1st boss. I do my usual routine. If the healer doesn't apply stoneskin, I do (and in this case, he did not). And then I pop Divine Veil with my macro that very clearly says, "Using Divine Veil. Please heal me to activate." So now I'm waiting. 10 seconds go by. I jump up and down hoping he's just not paying attention.
Then when it hit 15 seconds, I type in, "Pls heal me".
He says, "Why"
"It activates my ability"
"It's just the 1st boss"
Divine Veil is over. Ugh. I just say, "It expired, I'll explain it later" and then pull the boss.
Then I notice, the BLM has a big red circle of D/C over him. You gotta be kidding me... So he's standing there. We're playing as we should. Then of course, extremely bad breath is right on top of him. Healer doesn't notice he's D/C'ing and is trying to heal him through it. It doesn't work, BLM goes down and healer follows soon after since we can't kill all the balloon things and they're exploding on us. Boss is probably half hp. I decide (stupidly), eh, maybe I can try to just keep goring blade up and constantly get MP from riot blade along the way and heal us (it didn't work). So we respawn and the healer immediately says "BLM, wanna try not standing in the AoE's?" I assume he just didn't see the disconnect (and it's now been about 6-7 minutes since he's been D/C'ing). I mention he was D/C'ing and that maybe we should boot. The vote is done and he's gone. Then I simply tell the healer, "before boss pulls, I use Divine Veil because it has a short radius and it's easy to apply beforehand. It's just a 30 second shield with 10% of my hp added to you, but it won't activate unless you heal me :)"
I put the damn smiley in there so he wouldn't see through my seething hatred that he ignored it last time.
His answer... "It's just the 1st boss, we don't need it". Honestly. This is true. But by damn, it has such a long CD. It's one. Freaking. Cure. Just do it.
"Any mitigation is helpful though :)" (notice I'm still using smiley's to hide my frustration)
"Whatever"
So now, I simply do not like our healer's attitude. But I need him to, you know, heal me. We get a 4th, a MCH. We take out the 1st boss just fine. Healer even healed me when I used Divine veil this time (though he waited until I said something again 15 seconds in). Make it to the 2nd boss with a slight complication right before the boss (i got hit by final sting, too many wasps used it and we were simply trying to burn the wall and bolt for it). I was the only one who died and I just booked it over after. 2nd boss, I use Divine Veil again. He healed me this time within the 1st 10 seconds. Yay, he's getting it.
Here's where it got fun. We kill the 1st bunch just fine. Then the 2nd pull comes. Now. I've had my fair share of wipes here doing big pulls on the 2nd part. So usually, I try to cut it down a bit just so we don't bother with the wipe. So I hit the tree guy and am staying there. I see the WHM running away and not healing me. Ugh, ok fine, guess he wanted a bigger pull, fine. I pull the tree guy to the next area and do the next mob there. Doing my thing. WHM is out of my screen view though, but don't think anything of it. Until. I suddenly see bears. He picked up the bears and brought them to me. What a wonderful gift.
I start flashing away to pull the aggro since my CoS is on CD and all the while, dodging the already numerous amounts of AoE's on the ground aimed at me. Of course, I'm popping my defensive CD's. Then it got a little rocky at one point (was down to 300 hp), so I pop Hallowed Ground. Healer got me back up in hp. Now at this point, I have used up Rampart, Foresight, Sentinel, convalescence, bulwark hallowed ground, and sheltron (sheltron multiple times). I'm out of defensive CDs and we've only killed the big tree guy. My thought process at this point...
"Oh boy. I pop awareness now, because, uh, why not. Guess tempered will won't hurt too. I dunno, I'm desperate. Divine Veil is available again! I might die, so guess I can use that to give a buffer to the DPS."
Of course, I've been flashing a lot and using CoS whenever I could to keep aggro as well as my enmity rotation. Now I will say. This healer was doing well. He has kept me up and with this many enemies hitting me for this long, it was obvious he was good. But god did I hate him at this moment. I had to start kiting to stay alive until we got the 2 lowest hp killed. Then it was manage-able. But of course, manage-able for me means "let's spam holy again" for the WHM. My MP is already low from the multitude of flashes I had to do to hold hate prior. We get through it. I didn't lose hate. Last group before the boss. The trees. Thank god (or so i thought). Holy spam again. Right off the bat too. I'm probably exaggerating a bit, but it seriously felt like it went like this.
Holy
Flash
Holy
Fast blade
Holy
Savage blade
Holy
"oh god, I'm gonna lose hate on 2 of them if I don't flash."
Flash
Holy
Fast blade
Riot Blade
Holy
Flash
Continue until mob dies. I'm pretty sure he put in a heal or 2 in there as well. Last boss practically flawless. I left hating that healer. Mostly because he was a damn good healer. But that attitude. Ugh. -
01-18-2016, 05:32 PMWhiteroom
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Lol, when I WHM, I'm going to holy till I just about have aggro, if not aggro, then shroud of saints and more holy.
That is of course if you are a tank who uses defensive CD, which seems to be a rare breed today.
On a fun note, had a low ilevel WAR in fractal today who disliked CD, but loved Deliverance, when both dps and myself were max ilvl... -
01-18-2016, 05:34 PMCyrilLuciferWait, you mean most WHM don't use Holy that many times in a row?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicewolf
I genuinely had no idea. Once I get into Cleric I usually do a minimum of 3 before I pop out. In something like Nevereap or FC I can usually get 4-5+Assize+Shroud without leaving it, because of Divine Seal Regens and Asylum. -
01-18-2016, 05:36 PMMalicewolfI didn't mind the holy as much as the attitude. But the holy just caught me off guard. I've never seen it spammed so many times in a row. I'm a STR tank as well, so usually I have no issues keeping hate. This was a challenge to say the least. Only because he'd always be right on the cusp of taking 2 at the same time, hence, flashing away. And you know. Flash does no dmg. So, while I'm spamming flash, I'm not dealing out dmg and if I have to break my combo's to put a flash out, then, that's also a loss in DPS. MCH and BRD combo aren't exactly hard hitters (but hey, the WHM basically had an unending supply of mana...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom
Perhaps I just haven't gotten a lot of WHM healers... Now that I think about it, i usually don't have WHM healers oddly enough. One's I have had though don't un-endingly use Holy from my knowledge. It was just a bad mix of jobs together though. PLD (who can't spam a dmg AoE), BRD and MCH DPS (lower dmg output, but great support), WHM using Holy. BRD was doing mana regen, MCH was using AoE turret.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer
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01-18-2016, 06:02 PMImmutOn the contrary, pld/whm is an amazing combo. Shroud ensures they aren't going to take hate as long as you're flashing. To take full advantage of a whm healer you should pull with convalescence up because as a white mage, i'll be putting divine seal regen on you at the start. Wait for the first three holies since it's a 6 second stun, then, depending on how much damage you're taking relative to their boosted regen, pick and choose cooldowns accordingly. when you dip below, say, 75% hp, hallowed ground so they can keep the holy train rolling. Remember unlike holmgang and living dead, you don't have to be at low hp for it to do something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicewolf
Even the easy dungeons can be hard if you challenge yourself, and your reward is faster clears.
It sounds to me like that whm wasn't using shroud of saints, but on the other hand hallowed ground isn't a panic button, it's a standard part of your cooldown rotation. Though if you were able to use ALL of those cooldowns, dps may have been lacking as well.