Lets nerf WAR :D

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Originally Posted by Ragnvard

Some day in the future, with Echo and higher ilvl, I would much rather bring a paladin to A3S for example, due to their ability to spam shield bash on adds (with the longest stun in game to boot), and ability to tempered will/leap the pushback (holmgang works but has tight timings) - that is because dps will no longer be the barrier, but rather mechanics wise, other tanks will be a safer choice than a warrior.

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WAR will still reduce more total raid damage with Storm's Path while increasing raid damage tremendously with their own DPS & Storm's Eye. Killing slimes will only become easier as you get more gear or echo. Something is seriously wrong if you resort to shield bashing at that point. PLD will not see any love until their enmity is boosted or encounters shift focus towards extreme tank-busters & raid wide AoEs to slow us down.

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Originally Posted by Seku

Drk is actually in need of help too just like PLD.

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You're a funny guy.

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Originally Posted by Disc

You're a funny guy.

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He's not wrong, Dark's have a lot of glaring bugs in their move set that will become apparent when it comes to mitigating physical hits, but we can have that discussion in 3.2

@Ragnvard Im not even going to begin to delve into how incredibly ignorant brining a PLD over WAR for speed runs and farming would be, but the fact that you think that the tank balance is working as intended is clear proof you have no idea what balance is.

On one hand we have a tank which does: tremendous burst damage, contributes meaningful DPS, has invaluable raid utility, and has a strong defensive kit that not only allows them to effectively tank every encounter but allows them to cover their DPS stance with CDs.

On the other hand we have a tank that: Contributes almost nothing to DPS while tanking, has CDs that are borderline useless (Clemency, Divine Veil, Tempered Will), offers no meaningful raid utility, is generally considered a hinderence to raids, and is loaded with clunk.

So we have one tank which is a raid necessity and guarenteed a spot that has arguably no downsides and another tank that really brings nothing to the table.

Yeah bro. That's balanced.

If I absolutely had to pick something, I'd swap the debuffs on Storm's Path and Rage of Halone.

"Tank balance is working as intended" and "PLD will finally work when we're all i270 +20% echo on A3S" are funny things to say in the same post but there we have it.

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Originally Posted by Disc

You're a funny guy.

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...For you.

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Originally Posted by Violette

He's not wrong, Dark's have a lot of glaring bugs in their move set that will become apparent when it comes to mitigating physical hits, but we can have that discussion in 3.2

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You're ignoring the fact that our physical mitigation is more than enough for all content in game, our damage competes with & at times surpasses WAR, we don't need MNK, we excel at magic mitigation, and we have one of only two "damage down" debuffs in game. You have to be delusional to even imply that DRK is anywhere near a bad place.

Please post your war solo Titan Ex clear before you said that.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

The only reason the other classes can't do that is because of the heal difference.Even then Paladin might stil be able to pull it off all be it a lot slower.This video should seem impressive but it really isn't for many reasons.It's unsynced,The person is in full ilvl200-210 gear.Dunno about jewelry but probbaly melded to hell and back which most of us can't afford.On top of that they had the highest lvl of echo available which is just cheap.If they'd done it unsynced withouth the echo i might have a slight bit of rspect for them as a fellow Warrior.

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Lol.......

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Originally Posted by Harz

If I absolutely had to pick something, I'd swap the debuffs on Storm's Path and Rage of Halone.

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Brilliant, actually. If they did this and buffed Halone's potency + maybe a shorter recast on FoF and tweaks to their support utilities, the tanks would be pretty well balanced as far as what they bring to a group.

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Originally Posted by Disc

You're ignoring the fact that our physical mitigation is more than enough for all content in game, our damage competes with & at times surpasses WAR, we don't need MNK, we excel at magic mitigation, and we have one of only two "damage down" debuffs in game. You have to be delusional to even imply that DRK is anywhere near a bad place.

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100% this. It still blows me away how many people haven't figured out how to play this job right, and when they misuse its tools they're considered "bugs".