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Hello Thread,

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I shouldn't be shocked, but really... THIS is what you took from it? You would gleefully watch the world burn as long as you got to say NA NA NA and stick your tongue out.

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Let me have my Schadenfreude moment over the people dishing out bad advice based around encouraging lazy WHM behavior. Ya'll need to own this because it's exactly what you asked for.

I told you, I've been playing the game since the beginning using Cure and Cure II as the primary heals, and there is very little downtime with an average tank. The changes SE made to WHM suit that play style. The Lily system is obviously meant to to make casting specific spells faster to get more healing power from using Cure I and Cure II.

I'm not happy with everything in it (I hate RNGesus as much as the next person,) but a handful of DPS-WHM's on the threads from users on Primal have been making a big deal over how "lazy healing" and this is SE's solution. Own it, you asked for it.

Everyone wanted Cleric stance gone or removed as a "stance dance" because it hindered both healing and DPS switch ups. That helps everything.

When V4.0 comes out, now all of you need to learn the correct WHM behavior Yoshi-P thinks we should be using, or play something else, or just don't don't use the lily system by using more HoT's for overhealing and get yelled at for "not using all the tools in the toolbox."

So yes I.Told.You.So.

The sky is not falling, this doesn't change anything. Players can still play the way they want to. If anything it didn't go far enough and WHM looks like it's being nerfed because they had to make SCH and AST at least equal in healing strength.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

So yes I.Told.You.So.

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Congratulations. You have announced to the world you have literally no idea how to play healer in FFXIV. Instead of acknowledging the advised offered, you down double worse than the devs did on Lily stupidity. To top that off, you've demonstrated you are actually quite petty. And still hilariously wrong.

Would you like a medal?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

When V4.0 comes out, now all of you need to learn the correct WHM behavior Yoshi-P thinks we should be using, or play something else

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All I can say to this.

See that bold part? Guess what the majority of people will do at the Savage level.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Let me have my Schadenfreude moment over the people dishing out bad advice based around encouraging lazy WHM behavior. Ya'll need to own this because it's exactly what you asked for.

I told you, I've been playing the game since the beginning using Cure and Cure II as the primary heals, and there is very little downtime with an average tank. The changes SE made to WHM suit that play style. The Lily system is obviously meant to to make casting specific spells faster to get more healing power from using Cure I and Cure II.

I'm not happy with everything in it (I hate RNGesus as much as the next person,) but a handful of DPS-WHM's on the threads from users on Primal have been making a big deal over how "lazy healing" and this is SE's solution. Own it, you asked for it.

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All I've seen WHMs requesting was a more competitive toolkit. It has since fallen further.

I've seen people asking that healers actually make good use of their time. That would include avoiding weak spells like Cure I in favor, wherever possible, of more efficient spells like Regen, and using the acquired time to DPS. This has since been disadvantaged.

In what way did we ask for any of this?

tl;dr: There is no "correct" behavior by design. There is only "correct" behavior by result. If maintaining Regen and DoTs over Cure-spamming ends up better aiding party survival and clear rates, then it is the better playstyle, regardless of whatever development "intended". Please stop using where you think development short-sightedness has aligned with your personal preference as a way to ignore objective improvement where present.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Hello Thread,



Let me have my Schadenfreude moment over the people dishing out bad advice based around encouraging lazy WHM behavior. Ya'll need to own this because it's exactly what you asked for.

I told you, I've been playing the game since the beginning using Cure and Cure II as the primary heals, and there is very little downtime with an average tank. The changes SE made to WHM suit that play style. The Lily system is obviously meant to to make casting specific spells faster to get more healing power from using Cure I and Cure II.

I'm not happy with everything in it (I hate RNGesus as much as the next person,) but a handful of DPS-WHM's on the threads from users on Primal have been making a big deal over how "lazy healing" and this is SE's solution. Own it, you asked for it.

Everyone wanted Cleric stance gone or removed as a "stance dance" because it hindered both healing and DPS switch ups. That helps everything.

When V4.0 comes out, now all of you need to learn the correct WHM behavior Yoshi-P thinks we should be using, or play something else, or just don't don't use the lily system by using more HoT's for overhealing and get yelled at for "not using all the tools in the toolbox."

So yes I.Told.You.So.

The sky is not falling, this doesn't change anything. Players can still play the way they want to. If anything it didn't go far enough and WHM looks like it's being nerfed because they had to make SCH and AST at least equal in healing strength.

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This may seem cruel but some peoples opinions are worth more than others. Your opinion on WHM is... well to put it nicely uneducated and you've shown in multiple threads now you have no idea how to play the job compared to those who are undoubtedly more skilled and experienced. Guess who's opinion is worth a damn? You are not some hero of the common people and this is not your vindication; its a disaster you're spinning to excuse your frankly shocking level of play.

Trust me it will be rectified. Maybe not in time for SB but it will and you will look even more ignorant in retrospect.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I shouldn't be shocked, but really... THIS is what you took from it? You would gleefully watch the world burn as long as you got to say NA NA NA and stick your tongue out.

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If it helps the more DPS meta die in a fire, I would.

On the topic of the whm lilies...

It seems to me there's a bit of a disconnect with how the devs want white mage to be played, and how it's most efficiently been played...


Perhaps a good start would be to ask that lilies have a, most likely smaller, chance to proc a lilly when a hot ticks.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

Perhaps a good start would be to ask that lilies have a, most likely smaller, chance to proc a lilly when a hot ticks.

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It doesn't really change the core problem with how Healer CDs are planned to match boss mechanics. That means randomly lowering the cooldown doesn't really do anything since you'll still have to match the timing with the boss rotation, and you can't count on a lower timer because it's behind RNG. It's just a really, really bad idea as it stands.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

If it helps the more DPS meta die in a fire, I would.

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Ironically, the only real (IMHO) good thing that WHM got was Thin Air which will likely be used for holy spam so good luck with that dps meta dying in a fire. :)

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

It doesn't really change the core problem with how Healer CDs are planned to match boss mechanics. That means randomly lowering the cooldown doesn't really do anything since you'll still have to match the timing with the boss rotation, and you can't count on a lower timer because it's behind RNG. It's just a really, really bad idea as it stands.

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This. You need burst healing when you need burst healing, not when RNG decides to give you that capability.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Ironically, the only real (IMHO) good thing that WHM got was Thin Air which will likely be used for holy spam so good luck with that dps meta dying in a fire. :)

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exactly. WHM will still be the DPS dungeon master race from the looks of it. And I mean, really. Why would I even bother with the lilies?

I'll ignore them completely and if I happen to get any, Ill see it as a bonus. If I can do all sorts of content now with the cooldown timers as they are now...why would I need to fish for a lowered cooldown in the first place?
Theres no worthwhile incentive for this "utility".



and as for any serious content....I'll go AST and enjoy the OPness.

yeah he was raging pretty bad and he couldve expressed himself in a different matter...but we cant deny he has a point.

its stored up salt and bitterness from encountering too many of these self-entitled arrogant afk auto-attack DDs.
A good healer can easily make up for the lack of dps and carry them. But thats not what we want.

so....do I ask them to put effort? then I get rude comments and/or insults. Try to kick them then? See it being rejected and yourself kicked (because these players tend to team up)
Stop your healer dps altogether? "Enjoy" a beautiful slow motion dungeon experience.

Ultimately they ruin any fun thats left completely. And I can get quite salty too when I have these kinds of people in 2 or 3 roulettes IN A ROW as well.
It really IS bad right now and I guess Niko is probably really fed up and needed to vent.
He may be a really nice guy for all we know ^^