Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Crush3r07

They need ilvl 80 or 90 craftable gear. There will be no questions that will be best.

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They wouldn't do that. As at the moment we can't meld materias in Dungeon/Raid equipment, meaning a ilvl90 crafted stuff would be BiS. You would be able to be in full BiS without entering a raid an only time, which doesn't sounds right to me (that's just my opinion).
Main problem being that you would begin a newly released raid being in full BiS, which isn't at all how end-game content is supposed to be. You're supposed to learn the battles and to loot more performant equipment on the bosses. If you can enter a new raid in full BiS suit you just kill end-game and you kill your own game.

When they will allow materias to be melded into Raid stuff, then they could make some interesting craftables ilvl90. Meaning you'd have to get some of your BiS in raid, some with Myth and some with crafts.

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Since that triangle tactic posted on reddit, can safely say I'm 90% of the time topin the chart. Drag is just too much now, I'd like to see it toned down.

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I hate Reddit, so what strategy are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Since that triangle tactic posted on reddit, can safely say I'm 90% of the time topin the chart. Drag is just too much now, I'd like to see it toned down.

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Please leave.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I hate Reddit, so what strategy are you talking about?

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It is indeed pretty awful in general, because it's a good representation of the world except on the internet. However, it's silly do dismiss as a whole because there's a ton of good information on there, just like the real world.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I hate Reddit, so what strategy are you talking about?

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It's the strategy where MT holds Garuda, OT Holds Spiny Plume, and DPS Holds Chirada, most of the time DRG / BRD, forming a triangle formation in the map. It's a common strategy for Japanese players.

I've not tried the triangle pattern, but it sounds way more dangerous than just having the MT eat double WW with a cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Denmark

I've not tried the triangle pattern, but it sounds way more dangerous than just having the MT eat double WW with a cooldown.

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How so? Melee DPS'ers are free to DPS whenever they want without worrying getting hit by WW with triangle formation. The only need to worry about is that the Chirada holder should know how to dodge Slipstream.

So you save a full 2 seconds on one sister but one person loses directional combos for the other? It's sound like an over complicated way to do a very easy fight.

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Originally Posted by Ithorien

It is indeed pretty awful in general, because it's a good representation of the world except on the internet. However, it's silly do dismiss as a whole because there's a ton of good information on there, just like the real world.

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I'm not dismissing it...I just cannot stand the layout of it; just doesn't work for me at all and its incredibly hard for me to find anything useful.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

It's the strategy where MT holds Garuda, OT Holds Spiny Plume, and DPS Holds Chirada, most of the time DRG / BRD, forming a triangle formation in the map. It's a common strategy for Japanese players.

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Thank-you, I may try that out tonight or tomorrow

Just for clarification; would you have MT is NE, OT in NW, Melee in SE, and Ranged in SW or in SE with melee?

The MT will move Garuda to the opposite direction of where Chirada is, which is somwehere 7 o'clock for Chirada. OT Holds Suparna and Spiny Plume somewhere around 11 o'clock.

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Originally Posted by Denmark

So you save a full 2 seconds on one sister but one person loses directional combos for the other? It's sound like an over complicated way to do a very easy fight.

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I wouldn't argue on how you see things differently, we do have different POVs, anyway I find this one easier, less pressure for healers to top tanks as well.

To each their own, I don't have experience with it myself so all I can attest to is how it looks to me on paper.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

The MT will move Garuda to the opposite direction of where Chirada is, which is somwehere 7 o'clock for Chirada. OT Holds Suparna and Spiny Plume somewhere around 11 o'clock.


I wouldn't argue on how you see things differently, we do have different POVs, anyway I find this one easier, less pressure for healers to top tanks as well.

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The fight is already capable of being single healed with the MT taking double WW. WW is also avoidable by the MT if he/she is experienced enough. Not that both strats wouldn't work, but having a dps tank Chirada is largely unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

True, true. I updated all of my spreadsheets to include crafted gear for shiggles, and it turned out surprisingly well. Nothing for MNK, but potentially 1 for DRG. I get up to 4 for BRD (Pre-T5), but generally 2.

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4? Curious to what those are. I can only think of two that hardly make the cut, but 4?

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Originally Posted by Maxu

4? Curious to what those are. I can only think of two that hardly make the cut, but 4?

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http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6523/Bard-Test-Gearset

the stats aren't exact because xivdb doesn't have meld caps

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6523/Bard-Test-Gearset

the stats aren't exact because xivdb doesn't have meld caps

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It does :)

In the wardrobe, if you have an item with Materia Slots, you select the "Materia" tab, on top of the boxes where you drag your selected items in.

I actually didn't notice I could change the number when I was attaching it

Can anyone shed light on the ideal way to rotate cool-downs after the initial cool-down dump ?

ie:
Leg Sweep : asap
Mercy Stroke : asap
Life Surge : asap on Full Thrust
Jump & Power Surge : should Jump be spammed asap ? or should it be pair with Power Surge everytime
Internal Release & Blood for Blood : asap ? or should they be paired together and saved for Chaos Thrust/Phlebotomize
Spineshatter Dive / Dragonfire Fire : save as gap closer or spam asap

or is it a case of simply using off-GCD skills as soon as they become available.

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Originally Posted by HaiHai

The fight is already capable of being single healed with the MT taking double WW. WW is also avoidable by the MT if he/she is experienced enough. Not that both strats wouldn't work, but having a dps tank Chirada is largely unnecessary.

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As I have said, it works better FOR me. I don't see in any of my post imposing that everyone should do the same, I just answered PArcher's question in the first place.

And AFAIK WW can't be dodged, you can only tank double WW by popping up a def CD.

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Originally Posted by Ryuhou

This is my parser from T5 tonight with 472 accuracy. I hope it will help us to know how much accuracy needed for end game later.
regards
http://i.imgur.com/SO6p8Ms.png

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Just completed another night of coil at 473 accuracy with 0 misses, including about 40 mins on Twintania.

According to This list the BiS is the same from 472 accuracy up to 476 accuracy.

Until someone can prove misses at 476 accuracy I think this should be considered the BiS (not including the crafted belt)

BiS for Accuracy 476
Score: 696.621
Weapon: Allagan Spear
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming
Helmet: Wyrm's Armet
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Allagan Trousers Of Maiming
Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming
Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying
Earrings: Tremor Earrings Of Striking
Wrists: Hero's Bracelets Of Slaying
Ring1: Allagan Ring Of Maiming
Ring2: Allagan Ring Of Striking
Food: Hq Buttons In A Blanket

Weapon Damage: 47
Strength: 224
Vitality: 195
Critical: 85
Accuracy: 135
Skill Speed: 27
Determination: 167

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

Until someone can prove misses at 476 accuracy I think this should be considered the BiS (not including the crafted belt)

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The thing is that 472 ACC may be already too high. We need more data, but for the moment Ayvar parsed T5 with 466 ACC with a few misses and with 467 for no misses. At 467 the BiS list is slightly different (you end with 470 ACC with that list), not a lot of changes but still different.

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Originally Posted by Migosha

The thing is that 472 ACC may be already too high. We need more data, but for the moment Ayvar parsed T5 with 466 ACC with a few misses and with 467 for no misses. At 467 the BiS list is slightly different (you end with 470 ACC with that list), not a lot of changes but still different.

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The person i quoted from page 119 or something had a few misses at 472 accuracy on both Twintania and Asclepius and he had a much longer parse, Ayvar may have just been lucky with his shorter parse time.

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Originally Posted by PopcornDinosaur

Can anyone shed light on the ideal way to rotate cool-downs after the initial cool-down dump ?

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Just what I do, my dps seems to be good.

Leg Sweep : ASAP, it comes back so quickly, you're probably going to have it for any burn phase anyway
Mercy Stroke : ASAP (maybe smarter to save for burn phases, but I keep mine macroed to other abilities, coz I use a controller and buttons are scarce)
Life Surge : I like to have at least one buff up so I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when Full Thrust hits for 1k+
Jump & Power Surge : If I see that Power Surge is about to become available, I'll wait. Don't forget that you can use it with other jumps, too. Basically, get the Power Surge out as soon as possible by any means. I guess the order of preference is Jump > DFD > SSD, depending whether you wanna save DFD for AOE or whatever
Internal Release & Blood for Blood : I think I've done my highest DPS just using them as soon as possible, they should last long enough to roll over an IDC combo in any scenario
Spineshatter Dive / Dragonfire Fire : I try to spam these, but with the intention of having them available for burn phases (dreadnaughts in T4, conflags, etc). You'll just have to spam them at first to get a feel for when they'll come back up throughout particular fights. Or just save them if you really need the burn damage.

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

The person i quoted from page 119 or something had a few misses at 472 accuracy on both Twintania and Asclepius and he had a much longer parse, Ayvar may have just been lucky with his shorter parse time.

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Precisely. This is the first time I've seen parsed misses at 472 accuracy.

For the lolz:

Belt stat weights
Direwolf Belt of Maiming (ilvl90 PVP belt) - 16.553
Onion Tassets (CT belt) - 16.07
Hero's Belt (Myth belt) - 15.024 (+16 accuracy)
Allagan Tassets of Maiming - No, just no.

ilvl90 PVP belt, albeit hard to get/use, seems to be best if you don't need the accuracy.

I wonder if there are any other examples like this.

Edit: No, this is the only instance in which a PVP item outweighs a PVE item.

Belt is just a funny slot for Dragoon..

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

The person i quoted from page 119 or something had a few misses at 472 accuracy on both Twintania and Asclepius and he had a much longer parse, Ayvar may have just been lucky with his shorter parse time.

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That is the person that I wanted to see individual breakdowns from because the fact that he misses at 472 and no one else does is weird. As I pointed out, I've missed at 474 by jerkin around with RoT, I didn't miss any mob that I intended to hit with it, but still got a miss % from it. Until I see a separated, by attack, parse that has misses at 472, I will personally keep viewing that as the maximum needed; and as more 100% parses come in for the lower #'s like 467-470 they will keep gaining more weight.

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

The person i quoted from page 119 or something had a few misses at 472 accuracy on both Twintania and Asclepius and he had a much longer parse, Ayvar may have just been lucky with his shorter parse time.

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As Peptaru said above, if you're posting parses with misses we'd like to see an ability breakdown so we can see where those misses occurred.

Also I did post an 81min parse @ 473 with no misses, so I've had two posted so far, one at 473 and one at 467 (38min), both with 0% misses. We also had a couple other parses around 472, I'd have to dig them out I think one was 476, that showed 0% misses over about 20-40min. We've had one parse at 472 that did show misses, but no breakdown of what abilities those misses occurred on so it could've been caused by AE.

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/...ps269f3a00.jpg

468 ACC. I'll continue to try and slowly bump it up and continue running.

with a 100% hit rate on skills and 99.84% on auto attacks , 468 does seems like a good acc to aim for.

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those are some really huge crits ... 2.8k full thrusts ~_~

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Originally Posted by Inkmouse

468 ACC. I'll continue to try and slowly bump it up and continue running.

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Originally Posted by PopcornDinosaur

those are some really huge crits ... 2.8k full thrusts ~_~

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damage buff on the snake

Now the question im sure has either been answered or deemed impossible but how exactly would you set this up on a ps3 controller?

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Originally Posted by Ayvar

damage buff on the snake

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ah , that explains it.

was wondering what i was doing wrong

So I've been making some gear solvers. I saw those ones made by Zigkid3 which were pretty awesome but kind of basic in how they worked and I noticed sometimes it was wrong due to the settings on the solver.

So I decided to improve on it a bit, build proper food calculations in (That takes into account the fact you wont always get the full effect), as well as putting a lot more gear in and factoring in strength and such.

So far I've done DRG and BRD and I'll be working on MNK next.

Check em out at http://bit.ly/FFXIVSolvers

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Originally Posted by Ihm

So I've been making some gear solvers. I saw those ones made by Zigkid3 which were pretty awesome but kind of basic in how they worked and I noticed sometimes it was wrong due to the settings on the solver.

So I decided to improve on it a bit, build proper food calculations in (That takes into account the fact you wont always get the full effect), as well as putting a lot more gear in and factoring in strength and such.

So far I've done DRG and BRD and I'll be working on MNK next.

Check em out at http://bit.ly/FFXIVSolvers

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Very nice. Much better then the one I had put together for myself ^^ Thank you for sharing this.

Those are amazingly clean, jesus. I was about to go and rework Zigkid3's spreadsheet, but I don't think I could've gotten it as nice as yours. Thanks for your work!

EDIT:

http://puu.sh/6lPxm.png

wut?

Is it because I downloaded it straight off Google Docs and acting like this? It's weird cause I've never encountered this issue before.

I believe it's safe at least; Scanned it with VirusTotal and came clean, then with AVG and Avast on my PC. Sorry, I'm just kinda paranoid when it comes to Malicious data.

EDIT 2: Turns out there's a validation error with that file, and that's why it triggers that Protected View warning. To get around it, click on the "Red Tab" at the top, then when you get to the new window, click "Edit Anyway".


If you want to bypass it:

1) File -> Save As... > Overwrite it, or new name
2) Mirror Link for Dragoon Sheet: https://www.mediafire.com/?f9khe582ggkc088

Erroneous misses can be caused by AOEs missing "unknown" targets or even single target abilities targeting through some sort of immunity (perhaps when Twintania transitions into dive bombs).

A clean miss basically should be an attack that is surrounded (before and after) by normal attacks that hit on the same target. Personally I don't care whether that miss is on a snake, dread, conflag, or Twint. To me all of those targets are relevant DPS checks.

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Originally Posted by Mythrayn

Now the question im sure has either been answered or deemed impossible but how exactly would you set this up on a ps3 controller?

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You can see my controller set-up here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K9FJyOkzXw

I have the new L2/R2 "extra" bar thing bound to bar 3 (with bar 1 being my 'default') so I can access my Jumps fast.

And I know my rotation isn't "ideal" here; I'm still fighting muscle memory from 2.0 at this time

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Originally Posted by PArcher

And I know my rotation isn't "ideal" here; I'm still fighting muscle memory from 2.0

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C'mon man!

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Originally Posted by JetBrooks

C'mon man!

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Check the date on the video...

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Check the date on the video...

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I misunderstood, carry on XD

Can someone explain to me why we’re aiming for BiS with accuracy 482, and without deviled eggs?
http://pastie.org/private/qpfxgvdvj1hmlkxiwt5tq

My current profile with mixed wyrm/allagan/onion/DL gear shows a higher number:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LJ7Z Gear Calculator shows 485 (+144)
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/3333410/ Lodestone shows 485

A clarification for this newb would be nice!