Tank healing is to high

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Originally Posted by Rhais

I have not suggested that people should stop voicing their concern over the direction the game is going at all though. Nothing in the two posts you quoted was discouraging anyone from complaining about the state of the game.

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Calling those complaints "bemusing" reads a lot like "unreasonable".

But fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Calling those complaints "bemusing" reads a lot like "unreasonable".

But fair enough.

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Nah, I try not to take that much liberty with definitions, I was going with "mild amusement" with a bit of puzzlement thrown in there. Not even directed at the content of the complaints, but more so because some posters seem genuinely surprised at some of the more recent changes when they are consistent with the direction the overall game has been moving in for years. At this point I'm just wondering what will be the next victim.

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Originally Posted by Rhais

Nah, I try not to take that much liberty with definitions, I was going with "mild amusement" with a bit of puzzlement thrown in there. Not even directed at the content of the complaints, but more so because some posters seem genuinely surprised at some of the more recent changes when they are consistent with the direction the overall game has been moving in for years. At this point I'm just wondering what will be the next victim.

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I mean, who's left? Haha. Or, rather, can healers get any worse? (Probably, and likely in much the same vein as recent tank changes.) Hmm.

If I had to bet, the next victim would probably DPS, but I try not to stare that deep into the abyss.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I mean, who's left? Haha. Or, rather, can healers get any worse? (Probably, and likely in much the same vein as recent tank changes.) Hmm.

If I had to bet, the next victim would probably DPS, but I try not to stare that deep into the abyss.

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DPS isn't as obvious when it's bad unless you are using ACT so they will more than likely never be touched. The main reason these changes keep coming about is because FF14 is meant to be casual but there is a lot of player pressure to know X basics to play the game that I don't think square wants to be a thing.

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

DPS isn't as obvious when it's bad unless you are using ACT so they will more than likely never be touched.

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I mean, we're talking gameplay at this point. If capacity were the only talking point, no tanks would complain about getting dull (low, if any, skill ceiling) but powerful-over-time self-healing.

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The main reason these changes keep coming about is because FF14 is meant to be casual but there is a lot of player pressure to know X basics to play the game that I don't think square wants to be a thing.

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To be fair, if the issue is pressure to learn X basics being overwhelming at the time new players (especially, boosted players) encounter said pressure, that makes a case for teaching those elements before sliding them into higher pressure environments, more so than removing those basics outright.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

As a sage main it I totally love it honestly, since sage is a high dps contributing shield healer, tanks pld/gnb/warrior makes my job even more fun and not stressful. Besides a pld/gnb/warrior able to solo a boss if things go down south if me and dps some how die, can finish up at least light party bosses, Dark Knight I would love if they get that same treatment sheesh aint nothing annoying that killing my entire resource on a dark night while a pld/gnb/breaker I press only 1 to 2 heals and warrior 1 to 0 heals cause of kardia + glint = stupid op xD. It use to bother me but not anymore, I seen the light how it actually is nice for tanks to have high self healing. Please SE give the dark knights some better self heal too.

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Yes this person gets it, I stopped playing dark knight because I got tired of sitting on the brink of death every encounter. Every single group I've been in with a dark knight the healer had to go all out just to keep them alive. People always have to complain about something. Tank healing is high so they want them nerfed, dark knights have no self sustain an are hated for it lol

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Originally Posted by Merc050

Tank healing is high so they want them nerfed, dark knights have no self sustain an are hated for it lol

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Because significant imbalance and matters of gameplay preferences are the same thing?

But let's be clear: no one has argued that DRK self-sustain is too high. Some have argued that all tanks should drop nearer to PLD's level, to GNB's level, or to DRK's level, and/or that the means of that self-healing should be different. But no one has simultaneously argued that DRK's self-sustain, by extension of the broader role as if it were equal across the board, is at once too high and too low.

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Originally Posted by Ashua

And that sort of invalidates the healer. Honestly, the queue requiring a green role in order for the dungeon finder to click into play is the only reason a healer is required. The game was designed with the triality of modern-day MMO's and I think it is a disservice to basically invalidate a third of the players who enjoy that aspect. So now in order to get my healing jollies on I have to also be a tank? If two DPS and a tank can tackle a boss it is poor game design. Either fix it or rework the game without requiring healers to be a role.



And it's worse for healers. Tank sustainability should be the healer and not the tank. You have a 1-2-3 combo but I have a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 combo for 99.9% of whatever I do. The bosses do more than tickle. Tanks can burst heal better than current healers is the problem. 10x for warriors but literally similar for all but the Dark Knight.

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Honestly this pretty much sums up my issue with healers as they are right now, they're boring to play, the heals barely do anything (600 potency heals like a wet noodle) and they're kind of invalidated when you die and the boss can still be solo'd 50% to 0 because the paladin can just sustain everyone with clemency or the warrior can fight the boss for days with their self heals

They can make healing do less so we have to do more, and that's fine, but it doesn't make sense to just give tanks a ton of self-healing so they basically get to be independent when it comes to boss fights

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Originally Posted by Ashua

And that sort of invalidates the healer. Honestly, the queue requiring a green role in order for the dungeon finder to click into play is the only reason a healer is required. The game was designed with the triality of modern-day MMO's and I think it is a disservice to basically invalidate a third of the players who enjoy that aspect. So now in order to get my healing jollies on I have to also be a tank? If two DPS and a tank can tackle a boss it is poor game design. Either fix it or rework the game without requiring healers to be a role.



And it's worse for healers. Tank sustainability should be the healer and not the tank. You have a 1-2-3 combo but I have a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 combo for 99.9% of whatever I do. The bosses do more than tickle. Tanks can burst heal better than current healers is the problem. 10x for warriors but literally similar for all but the Dark Knight.

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Who cares it makes your job as a healer easier? I love the fact that I can get koed on a mechanic on a boss I don't know and watch from the floor as the paladin and reaper solo it with me and the bard dead. One scholar and one bard dead used to mean a wipe now it means if THEY are good and know mechanics they can carry.

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

Who cares it makes your job as a healer easier? I love the fact that I can get koed on a mechanic on a boss I don't know and watch from the floor as the paladin and reaper solo it with me and the bard dead. One scholar and one bard dead used to mean a wipe now it means if THEY are good and know mechanics they can carry.

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You just like to be contrary don't you? On literally EVERYTHING.