How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

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08-12-2017, 06:50 PM
Bourne_Endeavor

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Originally Posted by Remedi

miunih evans on mogtalk expressed a distaste for both parse and fflogs yet he cleared savage week one so?

Actually, this dislike was towards FFlogs not ACT. The former is where everyone uploads their numbers and measures e-peen/boobs whereas the parse itself just helps the individual player.
08-12-2017, 06:53 PM
TankHunter678

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Originally Posted by Atreides

The only excuse to be anti-parser would be playing the game laid back without any care about your own performance or straight out not wanting to bring anything to the table.

Or it stems from watching decent communities commence ripping themselves apart and devolving into epeen competitions where if you cannot do everything like world first raiders then "you are a piece of shit blight on the community that should just uninstall the game and you wont be allowed into any content." "Oh also that gear piece that just dropped is an upgrade for me so give it to me since you are a piece of shit blight on the community who is going to uninstall the game because I told you to or I will report you for trolling."

Which has been basically every single MMO where parsing became common. I cannot for the life of me think of a single community where parsing actually made things better, and only made things worse for everyone not a top 10% hardest difficulty raider.
08-12-2017, 06:55 PM
Atreides

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Actually, this dislike was towards FFlogs not ACT. The former is where everyone uploads their numbers and measures e-peen/boobs whereas the parse itself just helps the individual player.

Yup FFLOGS can be a good thing as you can see see how well you perform compared to others, but the patted parses are not really helping and are actually are the bane of the parser community.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Or it stems from watching decent communities commence ripping themselves apart and devolving into epeen competitions where if you cannot do everything like world first raiders then "you are a piece of shit blight on the community that should just uninstall the game and you wont be allowed into any content." "Oh also that gear piece that just dropped is an upgrade for me so give it to me since you are a piece of shit blight on the community who is going to uninstall the game because I told you to or I will report you for trolling."

Which has been basically every single MMO where parsing became common. I cannot for the life of me think of a single community where parsing actually made things better, and only made things worse for everyone not a top 10% hardest difficulty raider.

Well those are just jerks, you have them without parses too. I avoid those people too because I think they are an embarrassment.
08-12-2017, 07:09 PM
TankHunter678

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Well those are just jerks, you have them without parses too. I avoid those people too because I think they are an embarrassment.

They also multiply and become 10x more active when they have validation and "proof" they can throw around showing them as "right" in everything they say. Which parsers become that "proof" they will throw around. And the more common the parsers are the more support they get from other people who will nod and agree with them, if only to get them to shut up because they do not think that the company will ever get around to actually banning those people. Especially when they know they are in a system where they will likely never meet that person again... such as cross-realm/cross-world/cross-data center style systems such as duty finder.
08-12-2017, 07:42 PM
Nestama

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Actually, this dislike was towards FFlogs not ACT. The former is where everyone uploads their numbers and measures e-peen/boobs whereas the parse itself just helps the individual player.

Or upload someone else's numbers. Apparently someone uploaded my numbers onto FFlogs for Susano EX some many weeks ago.
08-12-2017, 07:50 PM
Reynhart

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Well those are just jerks, you have them without parses too. I avoid those people too because I think they are an embarrassment.

Sorry, but with that sentence :

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Originally Posted by Atreides

The only excuse to be anti-parser would be playing the game laid back without any care about your own performance or straight out not wanting to bring anything to the table.

you're part of the problem, even if you're not outright kicking people all day long.
08-12-2017, 07:55 PM
lulunami

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I already hated it back in Coil and for the few times I tried Alexander Savage. But I guess every thread need some kind of "You don't run current Savage, so your criticism on the mentality is irrelevant"...

You do not do content that requires a parser. Why are you against people who do raid content that believe an official parser would benefit their group?

Perhaps only give an official parser for Savage raid content. Other content can be easily face-rolled on the keyboard.
08-12-2017, 08:02 PM
HyoMinPark

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

That last time, I was kicked for being in Sword Oath...while off tanking Scylla...

And was that the only reason for the kick? Was such stated as the only reason for a kick? You aren't providing enough information to prove whether the kick was called for or not, and, really and truly, your kick from a Crystal Tower party has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, which is about parsers. Unless a parser was involved in your votekick, it doesn't really add anything to this discussion. I know you were trying to use votekick abuse as a viable comparison to how the developers and GMs supposedly do nothing to individuals who are reported, but that's not the case, and you can't really prove it to be the case.

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But I guess every thread need some kind of "You don't run current Savage, so your criticism on the mentality is irrelevant"

Except the only content where parsers are actually relevant/needed IS current-tier Ex primals and Savage. If you aren't participating in either of those, then why should it bother you if people have the tools in those types of content or not?

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Or it stems from watching decent communities commence ripping themselves apart and devolving into epeen competitions where if you cannot do everything like world first raiders then "you are a piece of shit blight on the community that should just uninstall the game and you wont be allowed into any content." "Oh also that gear piece that just dropped is an upgrade for me so give it to me since you are a piece of shit blight on the community who is going to uninstall the game because I told you to or I will report you for trolling."

Which has been basically every single MMO where parsing became common. I cannot for the life of me think of a single community where parsing actually made things better, and only made things worse for everyone not a top 10% hardest difficulty raider.

While my MMO experience is pretty limited to just FFXIV, as it's the only one I have played for an extended amount of time, I have never encountered this type of attitude in any of the content I've done, and I've done just about everything, even if it wasn't necessarily during the content's relative patch.
08-12-2017, 08:14 PM
Taika

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

With regards to your comment on the top of the page, learning the dance of the fight is certainly something that helps clear it, but people can know the dance, and still not be maximizing their damage. How do they know if they are or not (aside from enrage)? This game doesn't give one any indication that the rotation they're performing is the "best it can be" or if there is more they can do to optimize it. People have said previously in this thread to just "use a guide." But the thing is...the guides that people use to optimize their rotations and DPS are formed based off of hours and hours of repeated parsing and dummy beating to get the best and squeeze out the most from each job, their rotation, and their potential damage. It's the same way stat weights are calculated as well.

Having quantifiable data helps show if you really are doing the best you can do, or if you're just skating by like an Average Joe. I'm not saying that people who don't parse are just going to be bad. That's not always the case. Some people who never parse do very well. Seeing quantifiable, numerical data on one's damage and rotation, however, is still an extremely invaluable tool. Especially if people are looking to do the very best that they can do.

This is a great point, bolded the most important parts for emphasis. If you know your rotation (can kill the dummy for a fight), know the fight and perform all the mechanics correctly, you can still do insufficient damage. In a fight with 7 other people, meeting the enrage, there's no way for you to know if it's you, someone else, or several other people who aren't performing well enough, and how far you are from the numbers you should be doing. You can ask everyone to keep pushing harder (although they already think they're doing all they can), and keep hitting your head against the enrage wall. You can try to make changes in your rotation, but again, with 7 other people, you don't know if those changes are making you succeed better or worse. You can try if changing your rotation helps you to kill the dummy faster, but that same change might actually make you do worse in the actual fight because of boss behaviour and mechanics. Information is power, and there's no way to have verified data of your and your group's performance without a parser.

I also support an official parser because of information transparency: I have witnessed people blaming others for low DPS, and even managed to kick others, when the kicked player was actually doing better than the person doing the kicking. Having an official parser would prevent those situations from happening.
08-12-2017, 08:16 PM
Remedi

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Actually, this dislike was towards FFlogs not ACT. The former is where everyone uploads their numbers and measures e-peen/boobs whereas the parse itself just helps the individual player.

It was a general dislike, because the misuse can happen with both and he was criticizing the bad influence they both have on the community based on the reception of WHM, where he said that ppl should judge after trying out things and not before.
Point is that that it's not entirely true that only ppl who don't do savage dislike parsers

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