I am sure that this has been mentioned, but with a subscription based service, why not set bars that require a 90-day turn-around? Makes people buy your product more.
On the other hand, you can toss a few RL coins to others, and get your house the very next day with cash, and with gil to spare.
However, the problem remains RMT's. It could be solved simply by allowing player on player interaction. Say I can push another player. I see an alleged bot, doing same 3 nodes, every time I'm in that zone - no matter when I log in. If I could say, push him back from a node, every time he goes next to it, pretty quickly you'll get a conversation going with the person, but not the bot. After all, once a program has been completed, and set in motion, it will always do what it is programmed to do. Well, allow us the ability to 'police' ourselves. A simple video/screenshot/name could put the person under observation by the GM's, and if verified, ban them.
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12-19-2013, 07:25 PMAlphaFEAR
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12-19-2013, 08:00 PMZourin
What Yoshi did goes far beyond sticker shock.
Players are abandoning any expectation of FC housing, and instead are hoarding money because there's no telling what completely rediculous entry price will be set for personal housing. The prospect of something that doesn't exist has become more valuable to players than something that does exist and is seen as outrageous and unobtainable.
Markets are flooding with every rock and paperclip players can off into the markets, and are hoarding it waiting for something to change. There isn't a sudden surge of philanthropist omni-50's carrying their FC's to the promised land of beach front property. Instead, there's a lot of long nights grinding whatever happens to be marginally valuable in the snow.
Meanwhile, those 'ultra rich' people who skew the numbers, were never a part of the player economy except leeching off it. They aren't a part of the economy, just a drain. They off whatever they don't need or whatever seems valuble (such as high end materia when their old stuff soulbinds), and can make anything they want on their own without having to pay a gil for anything. Furniture? An omni-50 can farm anything themselves, craft everything themselves, and not have to drop a dime on anything other than maybe pay some gil sellers' bot for shards. They aren't bad people. Hell, our FC has one. Ask for a hand in a dungeon, you got a party member. Ask for some L50 crafting gear, get dressed up and down in full HQ. Ask for a house? That's pushing it. -
12-19-2013, 08:53 PMZohnoReecho
If in 3 months your FC is not able to match half the price of tier 3 servers (max price) you are doing it wrong or not trying at all.
And I'm sorry for those FCs whose members think they are going to buy someone else's house. -
12-19-2013, 09:07 PMKraggyKorI'm one of those 'morons'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho
Why? Because this is a GAME. In this game I joined an FC that had been created by someone whose 'philosophy' of what a GAME is and jelled with mine, and found several others of like mind. I along with many of the rest have given gil to this guy to build up funds for an FC house.
I have by no means given the most, my contribution ATM stands at 250k which is around 2/3 of my nett wealth, solely from leveling (I don't craft) one toon to 50 and another 40. I'm likely going to give another 100K leaving me with around 50k over both toons.
I TRUST the FC leader. It's a risk, but the pleasure of being part of a group will enjoy the fruits of a combined effort is pretty hard to beat, and it doesn't have to be part of a phat lewt grind.
Worst case (won't happen)? I lose my gamble, lose my gil, /shrug and go on my merry way.
We don't need your pity, stop being condescending! -
12-19-2013, 09:23 PMZohnoReechoSomeone that got housing for what it is :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KraggyKor
Ya, personal houses. By now you got FC's, you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roflcoptorz
On my server there around 500 FC with 11+ members and around 800 1-10 members FCs. A lot of the small ones are 1 or 2 ppl, so lets exclude 20% of those. We are talking about a rough amount of 1100 FCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmnesiaHaze
Lets absurdly think that all these FCs will fill all the plots, that means putting even 100 members FCs in small houses if necessary, 1100 / 30 (rough amount of plots in each housing area)… it's 36. Now multiply that for 61 servers… 2196 instances. Now you would invest into the hardware power to keep 2196 running from day 1? And remember that this amount was calculated under absurd conditions. Instances that maybe will never be used or abandoned, with just a couple of houses inside, because in the end people will not be interested? Of course I'm going to start slow and see how many FCs really want an house, making them work for it. And remember that they will need even more instances when personal housing is coming.
At the moment they already implemented 5 instances for each zone, 15 per server, 915 total instances, so I think thats fair enough to start. -
12-19-2013, 09:36 PMRoflcoptorz
Again, it amazes me that people here actually still complain about the prices. Read some of the threads. Yoshi knows the prices are insane. He knows the prices will not allow No one to buy FC housing. This is not the problem. The problem is FC housing is not ready for launch. SE doesn't have the server capacity for every FC to have a house. Plain and simple. So they are using "launch" as a type of closed beta. A few FCs buy houses, SE tests things. Sry, the situation has NOTHING TO DO WITH RMT OR THE ECONOMY. That is a bold faced lie. (Okay in all honesty I'm sure it's 5% of the truth).
Do you really think that the SE development team is so stupid that the current situation was the best the best answer they could come up with?
They don't have the ability to give every FC a house, so they spewed crap and set and artifical barrier ensuring almost no one gets a house. This allowed them to launch the content without having to make it accessible.
Secondly, for you people who keep claiming everyone needs to just shut up and work to get their house:
Entry level housing is a CASUAL feature in all MMOs. That's why people want access to it. Okay affording unique items or a mansion are supposed to be a gring/take work, but housing access is/should be lose to free. So, stop saying people should be forced to gring for months to afford the lowest level house. Your wrong. -
12-19-2013, 09:39 PMAmnesiaHaze
if your closed beta theory is true , why they charge "beta testers" all their lifetime saving for it??? they should select a few people by making a contest and providing em housing to test for free or maybe even a small gil reward
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12-19-2013, 09:53 PMBlack_Pearl
If they want test, that make a special server where to test things (hello FFXI).
We pay for play not for TEST. Also there's a lot of plots unused, in my server if not all of them, USEFUL I say. -
12-19-2013, 10:34 PMRoflcoptorz
To you questions about the beta test theory, I agree with you. It's a bad way to do it but how else would you be able to officially "release" the material while not making it accessible? It's all about appearances. SE can now SAY housing is released, without actually making it available.
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12-19-2013, 10:55 PMArkhamNativeYes, what's baffling is this fear/hatred of gil from SE. Clearly they understand the idea of saving gil for content. They say "save for 3 months" to afford housing. Yet people who have been saving for over 2 years, since v1, are not allowed to benefit from saving more than those who started only a few months ago. Yoshi-P's statement clearly states that it's these savings that made him increase housing prices on legacy worlds by 5x and 10x the other worlds' pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by R0llingThund3r
If SE wanted to nullify the v1 advantage of having started playing the game earlier, they could have picked a currency that didn't exist in v1, like these FC currency you mention, or something else.
And again, what this "save 3 months" oddly ignores is that the game itself creates money at a constant rate across all worlds. 3 months would mean the 20k gil per day Yoshi-P mentions for world group 1 would have to be 5x and 10x on worlds where housing prices are 5x and 10x. Otherwise the 3 months becomes 15-30 months of savings at that rate on legacy worlds. (And we don't know how many hours per day of playing to get 20k. Most people won't farm 5 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 3-30 months.)
(For the record, I have v1 gil, but it is <1M. Just as I haven't amassed hundreds of stacks of ...whatever useless item, I didn't work to amass bajillions of gil because, for me, playing the game enjoyably didn't require it.)
The way it works to "make money" through crafting and market board in general is to find something scarce and charge money to make it more convenient to get. Then lots of people pay the few, and the few get richer. This happens a lot at the start of a game (high level crafters serving rush-to-endgamers) or start of new content (like treasure maps).Quote:
Originally Posted by trolls
By definition "everyone" cannot make money on the market boards because 1. money is just changing hands, and it would be changing back and forth between "everyone", rather than piling up for just the few; and 2. If everyone can easily make/gather things to sell, they won't go to the market board to buy it. So if more people did do what early crafters did, nobody could have made as much because it would have been shared across more people and the demand would have been diminished. -
12-19-2013, 11:09 PMKraggyKorThing is, most people are illiterate when it comes to economics and don't 'get it', hence the stupid arguments here and over other topics such as legacy->non-legacy transfers with the 1m gill cap in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArkhamNative
Also, a LOT of gil was made by early exploits which SE took their time to close, while at the same time not confiscating the gil made by such mechanisms. There's a reason why some early V2 players have more gil than any Legacy player. -
12-20-2013, 12:09 AMNeruMewThis is one of the biggest issues, because after all... ALL of this hard work falls into ONE player's hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicWand
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12-20-2013, 12:34 AMEekikiOH SNAP, things just got REAL. Now it's not just some no-name blogger. It's a web comic no one reads! I saw someone made a "Hitler hears about..." parody on YouTube as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
THE END IS NEAR. -
12-20-2013, 12:36 AMNevelli
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR1_Jbn37lw&hd=1
If you are on Adamantoise, come check it out. It's open to the public and visitors are welcome. -
12-20-2013, 12:40 AMMolly_MillionsWhile I commend you guys on your accomplishment, your server has much lower prices than say Balmung or Durandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevelli
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12-20-2013, 01:05 AMSunarieCongrats (and I will definitely have to come check it out), but in addition to what is quoted above, no one is complaining about the large house prices on the lower tier servers either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
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12-20-2013, 01:06 AMMagicWandSo who's the lucky guy you bought the house for? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevelli
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12-20-2013, 01:17 AMKantide
The way I see it is that it makes more sense to take the money we have saved up, Buy out all of an item on the marketboard and corner the market on our server for that item.
"The market system was designed to prevent this."
Well lemme just take that 5m I was going to use on housing to buy out ALL of some items and repost them for triple or even quadruple... that 5% loss is nothing if I were to do that.
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12-20-2013, 02:07 AMYourichi
Theres always money in the Banana Stand! Nah but for real, they go on to say there's 10 people on certain servers that have a billion or 500 million gil. So, our strategy is to recruit one of em so we can afford a house? Seems like that's a shitty way to go about it. Especially for the poor guy that has to fork over all his money just so his FC can walk in a house.
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12-20-2013, 02:12 AMDarusAnd kick him out when he complains because they only wanted his money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yourichi
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12-20-2013, 02:43 AMReinheart
For group 4 and 5 players - best to ignore that housing ever existed and wait till 2.2
Sadly, at this point I feel like it's not going any where.
Have fun with your houses group 1,2,3 players >< -
12-20-2013, 02:52 AMWolfrunebetter option
if the reasoning for such high prices are so that the rich players can't just buy all the plots. Why not do what ever other game that had a play system did, limit each player to buying only one house (once personal housing is released). If you can key an account so it can only hold 1 phoenix pinion, then surely this is easy enough to do. Market prices are already insane due to people charging way too much for simple items, if a player were able to buy several houses, to be able to resell them, the prices would be astronomical. A FC leader could have one personal house and one FC house. You could limit people buying FC houses as personal houses by limiting it to people with so many active accounts within the fc as well as the FC level. (50 active accounts vs 50 active characters, which would be 50 active people instead of 7 active people with 8 characters each.)
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12-20-2013, 03:16 AMBeeraga
After visiting a small house on our server last night, its even worse than I thought. It actually feels smaller than a mog house from XI, about the same interior width but not as deep. Also, sure you can have 40 items inside, maybe 40 lamps. Any big items will take up so much space that 40 is really the high end.
It should have never been considered an FC house, its a personal size house at best. -
12-20-2013, 03:17 AMMolly_MillionsIs it shaped like a van?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeraga
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12-20-2013, 03:25 AMArkhamNativeI agree completely. With just a ground floor, it's much too small compared to even the medium house. (It would be quite nice for 2 as a shared personal house, or maybe an FC of up to 10 people if a crafting basement could be added later.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeraga
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12-20-2013, 03:32 AMBeeragaQuote:
Originally Posted by ArkhamNative
Which is precisely something I would like clarification on sooner rather than later:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Plans-Workshop -
12-20-2013, 03:53 AMRoflcoptorz
O well, we're all living in cardboard boxes for the next 3 months cause Yoshi lied and housing isn't ready. Thanks for nothing yoshi!!
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12-20-2013, 04:14 AMNeruMewPfft, you're forgetting the 2x2 backyard! (orside yard? or front! whatever)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeraga
You sound like a cute little kid ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by Roflcoptorz
I'm expecting them to lower prices, honestly, it's irrational for hosues to cost 5 to 10 times the base price. Doesn't matter if in legacy worlds there's still SOME (not that much) more gil circulating around, the income capability is the same. So it does not justify the multiplied costs. 3 months saving in a legacy world is the same than 3 months saving in a regular world, considering ppl are holding onto their monies because they ALL want to get a house, saving at the same rate to reach prices 5-10 times higher is ridiculous.
I don't wanna say anything, but I wonder what kind of substance was going around when they made these decisions. They should re-address this, because last reply was just... well not helpful. -
12-20-2013, 04:17 AMKorbeiTanaka crackQuote:
Originally Posted by NeruMew
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12-20-2013, 04:45 AMTheDeathWishWhat you expect me to say they are doing bad, at least they are doing better then most games and have you even looked at the number of accounts they ban in a week, dont think you do just cause you got a tag saying ur all bent cause ur reports are not deleted off the blacklist. Im sure your not the "Only" one making reports geez dude chill out we seen your tag 50 pages ago take it somewhere else. someone give him a sootherQuote:
Originally Posted by T2teddy
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12-20-2013, 04:45 AMAloraThank you. Really thank you it's really a simple fix, but it's been overlooked my fc is sitting on 600k company credits which i think should be able to afford maybe a small house or with some more work get enough to get a small house, but it would be appropriate and people would be unable to "cheat" that system. This is quite possibly the best idea for an FC house to cost an FC currency... and just because it has to be a time sink it will take time for an fc to generate company credits so it still wins in that regard too for the people whining about it needing to be a grind. Make the purchase make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordBelialX
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12-20-2013, 05:32 AMColt47
Why would someone release housing when the system has to be handicapped this badly? They might as well have said they are releasing a housing preview.
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12-20-2013, 05:57 AMTK0978
I talked with my guild on this topic and we had actually came to a great decision on how they should do this.
Solution 1
Limit Free companies to only 1 Land Plot Purchase per month.
Solution 2
Limit a Free Companies Land Plot Purchase to 1 land plot for every X amount of players in the Free Company.
Both offer the ability to for a Free Company to own multiple plots while regulating total purchases at any given time. -
12-20-2013, 06:22 AMDarusDoes an FC even NEED more than one house? I kinda feel it's a bit pointless to own more than one house. I can only see a big FC trying to buy out an entire instance for no reason one day (would be kinda cool, I must admit), but having more than one doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by TK0978
I figure a better way is to restrict to 1 house per FC and restrict house plot size to number of players available to ensure that more small houses are bought than large. -
12-20-2013, 06:27 AMSmashington
The pages just keep coming.
Let's make sure a mention of purchasing or discounting FC housing with FC Credits appears on every page.
FC housing should be based on the actual in-game accomplishments of the members! -
12-20-2013, 06:27 AMReinheartOne house for each zone and stuff would be fun to try also, so there are ways but buying out all the land at launch of 2.1? it's unrealistic and doubt anyone was even thinking of that from beginning... although like you said would kinda be cool to see it in action. Hi welcome to (FC name)'s ward lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Darus
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12-20-2013, 06:48 AMXeonerable_Mizu
I think those plots are just gonna stay empty for a long period of time.
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12-20-2013, 06:50 AMSinth
The prices have nothing to do with gil sinks and everything to do with not having the servers capable of providing housing for everyone by the time the content was ready to be released. So they just released it at nearly unobtainable cost just so that they could say they fulfilled their promise of delivering housing in 2.1.
The argument that gil is more easily obtainable is damage control, not logic. -
12-20-2013, 07:04 AMXeonerable_Mizu
the fact of the matter is unless you join a giant fc or one with incredible amount of active members daily you wont be able to get said house. Theres no flipping way a FC of 10 to 20 members is gonna get a large house in the next 3 months unless they're all active every single day or had a crap ton of money prior to this even with increased gil amounts, which lets be honest isn't that much at all in reality. That's doesn't mean that FC was Casual or anything just means all 10-20 couldn't be on 24/7 to farm gil for a overly expensive house. The online rate for most of these 10-20 Fcs at a time is like 8-15 at best unless there is a specific event planned inside the FC. I don't see the majority taking advantage of housing feature for many months to come.
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12-20-2013, 07:27 AMDhex
ITT: A bunch of people that can't afford a house arguing over how affordable the houses they can't afford should be priced.
Y'all silly.