"gogogo" might make me quit this game.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Which is, ironically, part of the problem. Making dungeons essentially braindead encourages the speed mentality because not only are they incredibly boring otherwise, but the lack of direct feedback to discourage players from wall pulling doesn't exist. Case in point, you'll rarely see Aurum Vale being wall pulled. Why? Between the environmental hazard and mob density makes it not worth the risk. If dungeons as a whole were designed with this intent, mass pulling wouldn't be nearly as common. Likewise, priority mobs would further discourage wall pulling as, once again, the risk outweighs the benefits.

In other words, in the dev team's pursuit of constant accessibility, they went so far in the opposite direction as to incentivize a mentality those players who benefit from the accessibility actively dislike.

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The only room that can't be full pulled is the first one though. Aurum Vale is so highly exaggerated in difficulty. The first pull can be incredibly easy, like literally straight through. People just need to know where (not) to stand and where to pull. Now there are some dungeons with mobs that can't be avoided, a full pull in one of those is usually a wipe with a pug party. There is never a reason to do a full pull in something like Aurum Vale's first room, like no real reason.

The easiest way to handle Aurum Vale's first pull is to have everyone sprint into the boss room and kill everything that aggroed on the way there at the entrance without pulling the boss. That being said, this strategy can't be pulled off with players that do not use aoes or cooldowns. It requires a basic understanding of the abilities they have at that point.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The only room that can't be full pulled is the first one though. Aurum Vale is so highly exaggerated in difficulty. The first pull can be incredibly easy, like literally straight through. People just need to know where (not) to stand and where to pull. Now there are some dungeons with mobs that can't be avoided, a full pull in one of those is usually a wipe with a pug party. There is never a reason to do a full pull in something like Aurum Vale's first room, like no real reason.

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I don't disagree but I used Aurum Vale more for example sake. Regardless of the justification, it's among the very few dungeons people are cautious towards. That one room scares people more than every single dungeon released in Stormblood and Shadowbringers. Which speaks volumes to have incredibly faceroll they've become. Even just putting that one "treasure room" of sorts in each dungeon would actually make them more interesting, albeit not by much.

Goes to show just how low a bar we have nowadays, doesn't it?

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The easiest way to handle Aurum Vale's first pull is to have everyone sprint into the boss room and kill everything that aggroed on the way there at the entrance without pulling the boss.

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You should immediately go around the corner so the ranged mobs will follow you.

I agree 100%. I understand that wall to wall pulling makes the game more interesting as far as combat goes, but in dungeons that have specific mechanics or puzzles should really have some time spent on them IMO. Sometimes I find myself in dungeons that I've done multiple times and I still don't know how we opened some door, like at least someone could type out a quick explanation?

It don't matter to me, big pulls or normal pulls, I signed up for the said duty so I know what I'm getting.

I don't mind if others pull enemies as long as they bring em to me, but if they do it on a boss I'll purposely turn my tank stance off and fight at the rear of the boss and if they complain I just say I thought u wanted to tank so I figured I'd let ya.

If your tanking u set the pace so if u don't want big pulls just ignore peeps, u might get kicked but I'm sure some groups will just go with u, me personally whatever job I'm on I'm fine with big or small pulls.

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

If your tanking u set the pace so if u don't want big pulls just ignore peeps, u might get kicked but I'm sure some groups will just go with u, me personally whatever job I'm on I'm fine with big or small pulls.

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From one tank to another - this is factually incorrect and I genuinely don't know where you people keep getting the idea, other than it being some weird ego thing.

Also refusing to do your job during a boss fight just because someone pulled it ahead of you is griefing and reportable. Grow up and do better. There is no difference between someone pulling mobs to you and someone pulling the boss - you gain aggro near instantly regardless.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

From one tank to another - this is factually incorrect and I genuinely don't know where you people keep getting the idea, other than it being some weird ego thing.

Also refusing to do your job during a boss fight just because someone pulled it ahead of you is griefing and reportable. Grow up and do better. There is no difference between someone pulling mobs to you and someone pulling the boss - you gain aggro near instantly regardless.

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Oh my God Kaoru, you can't just tell a tank to do their job! Don't you know that's like, toxic and stuff?

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

From one tank to another - this is factually incorrect and I genuinely don't know where you people keep getting the idea, other than it being some weird ego thing.

Also refusing to do your job during a boss fight just because someone pulled it ahead of you is griefing and reportable. Grow up and do better. There is no difference between someone pulling mobs to you and someone pulling the boss - you gain aggro near instantly regardless.

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I have yet to see someone get banned for letting a dps that early pulled a boss die. In fact if you do that in a raid the DPS would be considered a hard griefer and get booted instantly if they don’t apologize. Just because dungeons are lol content doesn’t change the fact that DPS shouldn’t be pulling bosses. If you do that you are at the mercy of the tank being chill about it.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

From one tank to another - this is factually incorrect and I genuinely don't know where you people keep getting the idea, other than it being some weird ego thing.

Also refusing to do your job during a boss fight just because someone pulled it ahead of you is griefing and reportable. Grow up and do better. There is no difference between someone pulling mobs to you and someone pulling the boss - you gain aggro near instantly regardless.

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I mean, to be fair, if some sprout is watching a cutscene and someone else pulls, I'm 100% leaving them to tank the boss for a few seconds, if they even survive that long.

(also partially related but 15 seconds is an awfully short window of time considering there are several cutscenes that are well over a minute long)