Why are PC players being so stuck up to ps3 players?

[QUOTE=Doki;1242161 Targeting on PS3, even with filters set up just right, is still a fetid pile of garbage.[/QUOTE]

I'm on PC, but I use the PS3 controller for it. I had a massive issue with targeting in FATEs and Dungeons, as a tank that was actually something I was quite worried about. The other day, however, I stumbled across an easier method to target using the gamepad, if you hold down the R2 button, and then tap R1 (or L2 > L1 if you prefer) the cursor will bounce between mobs laid out in front of you :) Not sure if this will help everyone/anyone, but it's made my life a hell of a lot simpler lol.

Personally I'd prefer having PS3 users having their own server.

Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Blindfate

Personally I'd prefer having PS3 users having their own server.

Just saying.

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You are indeed a huge part of the problem, congrats.

People who hate on PS3 players have their own issues, honestly. I've been running on ps3 since day 1 of early access without a single problem (that isnt related to server, ie 3102 or mass fate congestion) The graphics are different for sure, but I really dont care because I dont have a current system to sustain XIV enough to compare. The only thing that does suck in my situation is that in order to use Mumble with my FC i have to keep the laptop booted up and ensure that it doesnt die from lack of sustained power if it goes on for too long. In the near future I intend to remedy that with my desktop and run mumble off that permanently. It would be nice if there was a voice chat option that could be ran directly through the ps3 for XIV, but even then, I don't think it would be compatible with my FC's mumble server anyway, so meh, it's whatever.

But back to main point. I can and have ran side by side on PC users just fine.

Edit: Decided to amend the last comment I made, but I'll say this. I'm really looking forward to WvWvW style PvP in the future. Normally, PvP never interested me, but for some odd reason, it's rather appealing now. :)

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Originally Posted by SanjiroLionheart

I'm on PC, but I use the PS3 controller for it. I had a massive issue with targeting in FATEs and Dungeons, as a tank that was actually something I was quite worried about. The other day, however, I stumbled across an easier method to target using the gamepad, if you hold down the R2 button, and then tap R1 (or L2 > L1 if you prefer) the cursor will bounce between mobs laid out in front of you :) Not sure if this will help everyone/anyone, but it's made my life a hell of a lot simpler lol.

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I'll try that, also do you know how to remove targeting minion/npc in combat? I played with both settings for target filters and still keep targeting minions.

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Originally Posted by Ceol

No. People are just really lazy. I don't know any PS3 player who doesn't also use a keyboard.

All of the people in this thread saying how PS3 players never talk are just pulling it out of their ass. They have no idea if the silent DPS in their party is a PS3 user or a EU player who doesn't speak English or a PC user who is just being lazy. They're just assuming it's a PS3 player so they have someone to focus their pubescent rage on.

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These losers are so mad. The DPS is there to do his job, kill. He doesn't have to talk to you at all. Not everyones up for a chat. No one has to talk to you. The people that rage over this are honestly those lonely basement dweller folks with nothing better to do.

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I'll try that, also do you know how to remove targeting minion/npc in combat? I played with both settings for target filters and still keep targeting minions.

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Oh dear, no I haven't tried to do that at all. I've heard a lot of people get rather pissed off about minions n pets though, in FATEs, or anywhere for that matter xD. I love watchin those lil guys run around, but they do make targeting tricky sometimes. All I know is, when I did stumble on the L2/L1 thing, I went to an area that had mobs, and plenty of carbuncles. I, *not once*, targeted a Carbuncle, it just scrolled through MOBS and I will forever use that as my quick target method now lol. In dungeons I can now easily cycle between mobs when there's 2-3, or more, to make sure that nifty lil A is still beside my name. If it's not, THWACK, and then cycle back to the original target :) Glad that went on to help at least 1 person :)

Same happened to me. All the did was cry about ps3 players the whole run. After the dungeon the thanked me & said I was a major help then I told them I was on ps3. Not a word more was said.

My boyfriend plays on PC, but uses a controller. Although he loves using a controller, he has mentioned that there are a few issues with using one. For example, when a new window pops up (Loot window), your controller will automatically select it. If you press whatever button you have mapped to 'confirm' twice in rapid succession (possibly because you are trying to spam abilities), you could accidentally roll on something you didn't mean to. Sometimes, the controller glitches and just won't respond correctly. Targeting can be difficult too, especially if you are trying to target something huge and close to you (example: Demon Wall as a tank -- something he gets annoyed about every time we run that dungeon). I'm not saying this is a reason to keep PS3 players out, but it is one reason why some people are shying away from using controllers -- until the controls are improved (or you are able to 'take back' a roll without having to leave a dungeon to do it!)

Another (more likely) reason people won't want to play with PS3 players has nothing to do with being snobby or thinking they are 'better' (as a player from 1.0, I will be the first to admit that ARR is a VERY different game... Legacy players have no right to be snobs about our previous experience). It is simply logistics. For example, many endgame linkshells will utilize voice communication. Now, more than ever, it's difficult to type while trying to avoid AoEs that go off just a few short seconds after the little 'warning' marks on the ground appear. Players who use the PS3 will need to use a computer or smartphone app to access these programs, and it can be difficult for them. We have several PS3 players in our LS who are encountering this problem. They don't want to feel left out, but they don't readily have access to voice chat programs. As raids become harder, being able to at least listen will become more important. Of course, once everyone gets the mechanics down... communication won't be needed that much, and everyone will just 'know' what to do.

I don't see the issue, I admit targeting can be a slight pain on PS3 thus why I prefer PC, but my brother plays right along side me (PS3) and does just as well. I guess it stems from some people playing with new players who still don't have it all down yet and think all players are horrible. When I think on it though, is there even a way for them to check if a person is PC or PS3?

I believe it's the whole mindset of the PC gaming master race. I've had parties with PS3 members, and at first I was surprised because I thought they'd get their own servers, much like with a few cross-over mmos(or dark souls. That's a better example actually). I see no difference in the two and don't understand the elitism that PC users love to rub in console gamers faces so much.

On a personal opinion level, I find using a keyboard for MMOs much more comfortable.

Except when I first played FF11 for the first time a few months ago. THAT WAS FUN.

It took my a few days to finally say screw it to the mouse camera controls and just use a keyboard.

If anyone is still wondering why PC players are being stuck up to PS3 players, they just need to read the previous 9 or so pages of this thread. That old tired PC vs Console argument that I'm sure we'll all still be having in 5/10/20 years. I play on both my PC and PS3 and love them both. The only think I'll do on my PC that I won't do on my PS3 is healing, because when it comes to healing, I live and die by mouse-over macros.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

My boyfriend plays on PC, but uses a controller. Although he loves using a controller, he has mentioned that there are a few issues with using one. For example, when a new window pops up (Loot window), your controller will automatically select it. If you press whatever button you have mapped to 'confirm' twice in rapid succession (possibly because you are trying to spam abilities), you could accidentally roll on something you didn't mean to. Sometimes, the controller glitches and just won't respond correctly. Targeting can be difficult too, especially if you are trying to target something huge and close to you (example: Demon Wall as a tank -- something he gets annoyed about every time we run that dungeon). I'm not saying this is a reason to keep

Aand everyone will just 'know' what to do.

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This is false. The controller doesn't select the loot window. You have to Open it yourself by pressing the select 2 times. Nice try tho.

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

From playing on both PC and PS3 i can already tell you this is a load of bull, as i have no issues with performance on either system and in fact ps3 controller was slightly more conveninet for speed. you should actually try it your self before judging. if you're capable of it that is. His post may have been ignorant but yours isn't any better.

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Spoke like a true Console Warrior.

You don't have performance issues on console because console games are deliberately crippled so that they don't have performance issues. Hence one of many reasons why console games ported to PC usually look archaic and crappy, and the reason why FFXIV, as pretty as it is, cuts a lot of corners graphically and could look much, much better. And I don't even know where to start as far any claim that a controller is more convenient for speed.

it comes from the days of FFXI, When FFXI came out the servers were really nice, JP an NA all played well together it was friendly no race hate no screaming in chat, nothing...
Then Consolers hit the servers, an 10,000 teenagers from NA started race hate towards the JP screaming filth an death threats day in day out. The JP Admin had no power over NA players an NA admins had no power over JP players... so it was a right cock up.. NA were so filth minded KKK ignorance an hate that the JP an much of EU banned them form groups. JP blacklisted pretty much all Americans from the big Power groups, an this just incensed the console's to even more hate towards the JP.

When in fact it was NA's fault to start with. To this day I hesitate to play with them because of their notorious hate towards JP players back then.. it actually made many of us leave XI because we couldn't stand the race hate every day.

Not all of them are. A good deal that I've encountered didn't really care. One scholar in particular actually left a primal fight I was in because I was on PS3. I think it's just a way for them to feel better about themselves in general, not really to do with someone's actual preference.

Controllers create more mistakes, less accurate targeting and camera speed, OBVIOUS performance limitations, and if you're not near a PC to use a voice chat program you're an even bigger liability.

Sorry, but there's more than enough reasons for any min/max team to exclude console players. Or just any team that wants to guarantee victory.

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Originally Posted by Flarestar

Spoke like a true Console Warrior.

You don't have performance issues on console because console games are deliberately crippled so that they don't have performance issues. Hence one of many reasons why console games ported to PC usually look archaic and crappy, and the reason why FFXIV, as pretty as it is, cuts a lot of corners graphically and could look much, much better. And I don't even know where to start as far any claim that a controller is more convenient for speed.

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Spoken like a true PC fan that refuses to actually try. If you don't know where to begin it's because you have not actually experienced it. Not everyone is concerd about top notch pretty graphics, some people care about the game actually performing well. Which is does even on ps3.

PC elitists... more like weirdos.

Sure, console players can clear content. But if you think they can do so more effectively, or as effectively, as pc players overall, please state that here. State that the PS3 doesn't have performance issues compared to PCs, and that communication, control, and targetting are equivalent on PS3. I'll wait.

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Originally Posted by JyoonB

This is false. The controller doesn't select the loot window. You have to Open it yourself by pressing the select 2 times. Nice try tho.

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I'm not 'trying' anything. I have nothing against controller users or PS3 players. If you read my whole post, you'd know that. I'm just saying it like it is, for him. Perhaps it is the way he maps his abilities, or perhaps it is the fact that he is using an Xbox controller for his computer... but he encounters a LOT of errors using a controller. Sometimes the game will just decide it doesn't want to recognize his controller anymore (it will switch back to mouse+keyboard and won't work with the controller again until he goes and changes the settings manually). I'm not lying about this, nor am I 'trying' to justify keeping out controller users. Again, if you read my whole post, you'd know my LS has several PS3 and controller users and we don't discriminate. Of course, using a controller meant for the PS3 on a game specifically meant for the PS3 system is going to be less glitchy than my boyfriend's experience. I have heard from 1.0 players that even the 1.0 UI was less glitchy than the 2.0 controller-based UI for PC users. Can I say that's true? Don't know. I prefer a mouse and keyboard because that's what works for me. I'm uncomfortable with controllers.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Controllers create more mistakes, less accurate targeting and camera speed, OBVIOUS performance limitations, and if you're not near a PC to use a voice chat program you're an even bigger liability.

Sorry, but there's more than enough reasons for any min/max team to exclude console players. Or just any team that wants to guarantee victory.

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Looks like people were on point with the elitism PC players displayed. as i already proved this to be false. i have yet to be inconveninced at any point and time on a ps3 vs a PC. you should probably actually learn how to play properly with a pad 1st if your ego allows it. as all of that is false.

I'll just say I'm playing on my shitty HP laptop from college instead of the Ps3 if that's the case...
They're both perform roughly the same, but one is labeled PC and it makes the PC master race happy I guess. Oh, and keyboard+mouse... cept my keyboard is missing half the buttons from being a laptop keyboard.

PC master race! Woo!

So you look down on PS3 players because... we don't have to deal with douchebags as much? Poor little ol' us!
hmm guess you have reading comprehension issue feel free to read what I wrote until you understand it


Your highest level class is 18. Methinks you might not be part of the "game community" yourself.
omg since this avatar is only lvl 18 I must not know anything from the last 15 years of pc gaming (btw not my main)



I can't even be sarcastic anymore. Do you really, seriously think the only people staying logged in were PS3 users? Do you think that only the PS3 had the ability to be logged in during those times? That's conspiracy theory-level nonsense.[/QUOTE]
would you like to check the past threads I could link about 2000 of them for you so you can read all the I logged in and turned my tv off and will never log out again post for you( guess that would take effort for you)

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

Looks like people were on point with the elitism PC players displayed. as i already proved this to be false. i have yet to be inconveninced at any point and time on a ps3 vs a PC. you should probably actually learn how to play properly with a pad 1st if your ego allows it. as all of that is false.

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I played the Beta on my PS3, the performance just in FATES was abysmal, lack of quick access to hotkeyes and reaction times with the camera are always going to be an issue as you're using a gamepad on a slower performing platform.

Sorry that you're so vehemently butthurt about the truth but it doesn't change it. Just because YOU don't personally feel inconvenienced doesn't mean the rest of the people forced to party with you agree equally.

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

Sure, console players can clear content. But if you think they can do so more effectively, or as effectively, as pc players overall, please state that here. State that the PS3 doesn't have performance issues compared to PCs, and that communication, control, and targetting are equivalent on PS3. I'll wait.

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What in the world are you talking about? Stop creating problems in your head, delusional one.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

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You realize that the FATE problem is shared by both PC and pS3 problems, right? or do you not read well, in fact, ps3 pad can actually target mobs faster then a PC with the r2 pad. just because you fail at learnign how to use controller properly does not mean someone is butthurt it simply means you lack the intellect to properly learn how to use a pad correctly. truths can be proven, and your bad opinion is not truth.

I'v had no issues with any party i have been in, in fact i have been complemented many times, not knowing what system i am even on, Try again. I'm sure in your little world that may be hard to accept, but that is indeed the truth.

The only time I can see people making the 'hardware' argument is if there is a situation where you can't see something you need to avoid simply because your system isn't displaying it. I've seen this issue in WoW where people with REALLY low-end computers literally CANNOT see things they need to get out of because their settings need to be incredibly low for them to be able to play the game. Clearly, we all know that the PS3 hardware is old. It came out in 2006. That's like decades ago in technology years. But will it be able to perform the functions needed to play an MMO? If SE programs it right, yes. They'll need to prioritize stuff that hurts you over pretty special effects. They do this by forcing you to use a certain resolution. As long as PS3 players can function and avoid stuff, there's no reason to think they are bad because of the system they use. I do feel bad that the PS3 UI is apparently very unpleasing to use, but that's on the user's end and not on the linkshell's end. If a person can use it fine, why discriminate? I personally have a lot of respect for people who can use controllers. I hate them. I was also very good with PC shooters but I'm an idiot when it comes to console shooters. I die really embarrassing deaths.

This is ridiculous, if you have someone who can play well on the PS3 who cares what platform it's on? If someone can figure out how to use the controller and do just as well as a mouse and keyboard more power to them. Last time I checked even people using a PC setup can mess up boss fights too. Also the people who demand perfection are just giant hypocrites, everyone messes up here and there. Ignore these pricks.

I have friends who play on the PS3 and we do all content just fine even if a majority of us are on PC.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

I played the Beta on my PS3, the performance just in FATES was abysmal, lack of quick access to hotkeyes and reaction times with the camera are always going to be an issue as you're using a gamepad on a slower performing platform.

Sorry that you're so vehemently butthurt about the truth but it doesn't change it. Just because YOU don't personally feel inconvenienced doesn't mean the rest of the people forced to party with you agree equally.

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Console fanbois can justify anything. they are just like the old lady in the prius who drives in the middle lane of the freeway at 40 mph, they also belive they are driving the same as everyone else on the road inside their minds

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

You realize that the FATE problem is shared by both PC and pS3 problems, right?

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Shared how? I don't have performance problems on my budget PC that I built, other than the server culling done during the Odin/Behemoth fights which is a serverside problem.

I'm talking about all the other FATES or just about anywhere with too many people/objects on the screen, the PS3 can't compare to a PC...not even a crappy one.

This is the best thread to watch while servers are down. The people that actually believe consoles are equivalent to PCs are the best.

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

You realize that the FATE problem is shared by both PC and pS3 problems, right? or do you not read well, in fact, ps3 pad can actually target mobs faster then a PC with the r2 pad. just because you fail at learnign how to use controller properly does not mean someone is butthurt it simply means you lack the intellect to properly learn how to use a pad correctly. truths can be proven, and your bad opinion is not truth.

I'v had no issues with any party i have been in, in fact i have been complemented many times, not knowing what system i am even on, Try again. I'm sure in your little world that may be hard to accept, but that is indeed the truth.

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FATE problem? I7 3930K can not compute this as its on holiday playing FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Shared how? I don't have performance problems on my budget PC that I built, other than the server culling done during the Odin/Behemoth fights which is a serverside problem.

I'm talking about all the other FATES or just about anywhere with too many people/objects on the screen, the PS3 can't compare to a PC...not even a crappy one.

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There have been multiple complaints from PC players about mobs not appearing, players not coming up, and many people even crashing during them. you don't research very well do you.

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

There have been multiple complaints from PC players about mobs not appearing, players not coming up, and many people even crashing during them. you don't research very well do you.

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Neither do you, cause other than the server culling there's a known GPU Driver problem. Try again.

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Originally Posted by ZyloWolfBane

Shared how? I don't have performance problems on my budget PC that I built, other than the server culling done during the Odin/Behemoth fights which is a serverside problem.

I'm talking about all the other FATES or just about anywhere with too many people/objects on the screen, the PS3 can't compare to a PC...not even a crappy one.

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I play using the default 'high end' laptop settings on my gaming laptop I bought at the end of 2011 for over 1k. It displays a LOT of people, but I still have issues seeing big boss monsters in FATEs unless I am literally on top of the mob. (Example: Svara, Behemoth, Odin, etc.) The problem here isn't how many models are displayed, but rather how SE prioritizes them. There's been a few threads about this... SE should prioritize it as... monsters > party members > non-combat npcs > other PCs (FC/LS members > non-FC/LS members). That way, no matter how good your computer is, you'll still see the important things first. Non-party PCs are not as important to you when you are trying to kill a monster with huge AoEs you can't avoid because the monster isn't loaded.

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Originally Posted by Glakan

well to be fair most PS3 users don't even type back when you say something to them. You don't know if they understood you if they can't type back. It's frustrating just for that.

PS3 users get a Keyboard so you can type us back so we can communicate :cool:

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I'm a PS3 user and I have the Keypad. When I'm not using my PC, I use the KB. So, this is BS right here...

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Originally Posted by James1213

I think its mainly because the PS3 interface is complicated compared to the PC interface.

I notice when I have PS3 healers in dungeons, mainly because they can't seem to multi task, IE repose a mob and heal me at the same time.

Another grip I have is most of them don't communicate. Getting that PS3 controller keyboard thing would be a nice thing, or just plugging in a USB keyboard to your PS3.

The multitask thing could be fixed with macros, aka the ability to target a mark such as <bind1> or something, if they say at the beginning of the instance, if you want CC use such and such mark.

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I beg to differ. I rather manage my MP to heal the team than to throw Stone II and Aero. However, when I see the chance, and there's no BLM in the party, I do use Repose and other moves while healing.

This is coming from a PS3 player... What I think the problem is(Healer wise)... is that most healers don't know that it is easier to heal by locking on to the tank. And if they need to heal others, use up and down on the D-Pad. If they need to target enemies, use left or right on the D-Pad.

I also have Vent, Skype and Mumble all set up just in case I get into a FC that has said voice apps. So, I don't think communication is the issue.

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Originally Posted by DivineOracle

There have been multiple complaints from PC players about mobs not appearing, players not coming up, and many people even crashing during them. you don't research very well do you.

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That's called culling...its a client/server feature to reduce load and atm its coded poorly. (i think its server in this it doesn't even send you the other data)

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I play using the default 'high end' laptop settings on my gaming laptop I bought at the end of 2011 for over 1k. It displays a LOT of people, but I still have issues seeing big boss monsters in FATEs unless I am literally on top of the mob. (Example: Svara, Behemoth, Odin, etc.)

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That's server culling, has nothing to do with your computer. It's a serverside problem as I was explaining above.

Guild Wars 2 did the same thing.