Seriously 3-5 minute repop on NMs?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

They're pulling it out of the wrong orifice, as usual.

The drop rate isn't over 5%, that's for pretty damn sure. I'm on my 20th kill, zero drops

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well it might just seem that way as some people get drops fast.

You know Abriael sometimes its nice being on the same side of a forumfight as you. :P

I think the best thing they could do is just try harder to make this feel like a final fantasy game.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

You know Abriael sometimes its nice being on the same side of a forumfight as you. :P

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It's not even a fight. It's logic vs complete nonsense.

Waiting for hours for a chance to a level 30-35 drop that you'll outlevel in a few days? Yeah. Pure genius.

You know this could be a bug. So instead of whining about it, hows about taking it to the in-game bugs and submitting a report... Would be more useful.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

It's not even a fight. It's logic vs complete nonsense.

Waiting for hours for a chance to a level 30-35 drop that you'll outlevel in a few days? Yeah. Pure genius.

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Also, agree with this. They arent R50 NM's. get your untradable drop and move on. lol

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Originally Posted by Nilheim

The OP and his 3 buddies just whine about every goddamn thing. This is level 25 gear for christ's sake, stop crying. A year from now the cap will probably have been raised, and I personally don't wanna spend 3 days getting low level gear that I won't use a week later. I agree that 5min repop is way too fast, but honestly I'm not against something like a 20min repop. What's the damn point of waiting 3hrs for low level gear that's not built to last?

Also, stop comparing NMs like Jormy with this, it's retarded. Jormy was a HNM that was brought into the game years after launch. Were you complaining everytime they added lowbie NMs on XI too? "AMG SE WTF Y THE NM IN RONFAURE IS LEVEL 5 THIS TOO CASUAL" yeah yeah ok buddy, whatever.

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I am fine with the gear levels and the mob's but the pop rate is just pathetic...

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Originally Posted by Abriael

It's not even a fight. It's logic vs complete nonsense.

Waiting for hours for a chance to a level 30-35 drop that you'll outlevel in a few days? Yeah. Pure genius.

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This is one of the problems... they need to get away from tiered gear.

Do what XI did have some rarer drops which last for 20-30 levels

The NMs are not meant as endgame content and are not meant for rank 50 players that want to wave with their e-peen. Is it really that hard to get this?

Do we have to write in caps, do we have to come over and shout it in your ears, do we have to tell your mom so she can sit down with you and have a talk, do we have to beat some sense into you? I seriously don't get it.

I will try again: THE NMS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE ENDGAME CONTENT IT IS JUST SOMETHING FUN TO DO AT THE PROPER RANKS. WHY WOULD THEY ADD HNM STUFF WHILE THE GAME IS NOT FINISHED YET.

*50 is not the final cap
*Battle system is going to be changed
*Class system is going to be changed
*Environment is going to be changed

Square Enix would be nuts to add anything endgame right now. It is so damn stupid that you guys can't seem to get that

The trouble is:

Everyone will be wearing the exact same thing.

Abriael said the drop rate was so low as to reduce that. But then you guys decided that the drop rate should be high because it's only low level gear.

So that brings me back to: everyone will be wearing the exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

The trouble is:

Everyone will be wearing the exact same thing.

Abriael said the drop rate was so low as to reduce that. But then you guys decided that the drop rate should be high because it's only low level gear.

So that brings me back to: everyone will be wearing the exact same thing.

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Not really :/

Is it seriously such a big problem that you will wear the same gear as someone your level for a few days? In FFXI every freaking Paladin had a Koenig set sooner or later, who cares? No matter what they do there is going to be a certain item that is going to be the best in slot, so everyone will aim to get that. There is nothing you can do to avoid that.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

It's rank 30-35 stuff, it wouldn't make the SLIGHTEST sense to make people camp for hours upon hours for something they're going to outlevel in a few days. I'm not sure what part of this is unclear.

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Lizzy boots were level 7, and for many jobs they were good all the way up to the 60s or 70s.
Emperor's Hairpin was level 24, and for many jobs it was good even at level cap.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Lizzy boots were level 7, and for many jobs they were good all the way up to the 60s or 70s.
Emperor's Hairpin was level 24, and for many jobs it was good even at level cap.

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None of the gear released today compairs right now. It might if they remove Point Allotment and balance out stats to where 2 or 3 points of STR could mean 5-10 points of extra damage per hit which would cut an entire minute off fighting a monster at your level.

But in XIV 2-3 points of STR is nothing. Its like 2 points of damage.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

The trouble is:

Everyone will be wearing the exact same thing.

Abriael said the drop rate was so low as to reduce that. But then you guys decided that the drop rate should be high because it's only low level gear.

So that brings me back to: everyone will be wearing the exact same thing.

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Unfortunately this happens in every MMO, unless of course they eventually offer some kind of 'outfit' system.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Lizzy boots were level 7, and for many jobs they were good all the way up to the 60s or 70s.
Emperor's Hairpin was level 24, and for many jobs it was good even at level cap.

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... and your point is?

Does any of the current NMs drop anything at all that you can use at level 50 (best in slot for a certain class)?

If yes, then your point is valid and they should increase the timer.
If no, you have no idea what you are talking about and should stop crying.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

Abriael said the drop rate was so low as to reduce that. But then you guys decided that the drop rate should be high because it's only low level gear.

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Who decided that exactly? I'm quite curious to see how many people will actually camp those nms to get all the drops. Most people will just kill em when they come across them, given the the low drop rate and the fact that the items aren't be all, end all.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

... and your point is?

Does any of the current NMs drop anything at all that you can use at level 50 (best in slot for a certain class)?

If yes, then your point is valid and they should increase the timer.
If no, you have no idea what you are talking about and should stop crying.

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nope. no r50s gear was found in .dat mining and he has no idea what he is talkin about and should stop crying.

those NMs drop equip that is on par with gear you can craft, just like the leve quest nms.
they are easy to access, and have a decent drop rate, that gear is for nothing else then looks.
i think it's okay this way.
i still wish to get nms in the future to drop equip that will last you for a longer time because of their add stat, like the emperor hairpin for a bunch of classes, or the leaping boots.

but with the current system, and stats practically doing nothing but looking good, there will be no nms that would be worth killing.
a dodore doublet goes for 7 mil, but is crap.
a templars haubergeon goes for 3-5 mil, yet is weaker then a vintage haub.

i belive that FFXIV will head more into the instanced NM direction.
like limbus or dynamis.
you won't be able to access the the dungeon every day, but atleast you will have a chance on a drop since you don't have ppl to compete with.

still.i wish for SE to drop this physical lvls, give equip good stats and perhaps some haste here, some critical there, you know, make gear worth working for actually.

i can't be assed to kill some NMs currently that require more then 4 ppl.
why waste my faction standings on equip that doesn't come close to crafted equip? nah, i don't understand it.
untill this very thing isn't fixed it's just not worth my time imo.
i'll be grinding and crafting and waiting for a more enjoying game.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Who decided that exactly? I'm quite curious to see how many people will actually camp those nms to get all the drops. Most people will just kill em when they come across them, given the the low drop rate and the fact that the items aren't be all, end all.

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Yeah, pretty much, The only reason they are so popular right now is because they are new.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

nope. no r50s gear was found in .dat mining and he has no idea what he is talkin about and should stop crying.

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Good, case closed then.

Edit: I wonder what is worse. Those people crying about nothing at all or us trying to talk some sense into them.

Dodore doublet, Crap? since when?

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Originally Posted by Warp

Unfortunately this happens in every MMO, unless of course they eventually offer some kind of 'outfit' system.

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WTF? One of FFXIV's best traits was the diversity of gear; both in colour and textures for every different tier. Should we really be throwing that aside so we can have a NM hunt?

/meh

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Is it seriously such a big problem that you will wear the same gear as someone your level for a few days? In FFXI every freaking Paladin had a Koenig set sooner or later, who cares? No matter what they do there is going to be a certain item that is going to be the best in slot, so everyone will aim to get that. There is nothing you can do to avoid that.

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Get over FFXI already. FFXI had the worst selection of gear of any MMO i've played. Well, in any case, it was really bad with everyone ending up wearing the exact same thing. I hate seeing the same thing happen to FFXIV what with Dodore Doublet and Buccaneers Shirt.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Not really :/

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I hope so.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

WTF? One of FFXIV's best traits was the diversity of gear; both in colour and textures for every different tier. Should we really be throwing that aside so we can have a NM hunt?

/meh

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Once they redo the battle system, and the metagamers break down what's best for each class... what do you think people are going to use? You'll have an army of clones.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Who decided that exactly? I'm quite curious to see how many people will actually camp those nms to get all the drops. Most people will just kill em when they come across them, given the the low drop rate and the fact that the items aren't be all, end all.

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Decided what? That the drops were good? I am just relaying what I heard. People expressed that the drops were better than crafted gear.

If they aren't amazing, then I see no problem with more diversity. But if they are amazing and with a short repop timer, then won't that hurt the economy? I already have like 50 million gil so what do I care? But for players who want to craft but can't sell anything, they might find that NM gear prevents them from that.

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Originally Posted by Warp

Once they redo the battle system, and the metagamers break down what's best for each class... what do you think people are going to use? You'll have an army of clones.

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But that's why we have dyes right?

NM gear has no diversity of colour.

it is crappy gear that u will replace in a week by crafter gear also everything is untradeable so....
if anything that only looks good, but thats only because we have been staring at old gear for so long. so any new gear looks better lol

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

But that's why we have dyes right?

NM gear has no diversity of colour.

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I highly doubt the best gear in the game is going to be crafted/dyeable. Just sayin...

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Originally Posted by Reika

Dodore doublet, Crap? since when?

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ok, let's say overpriced.
perhaps it's a good combi craft piece, but the stats surely don't make it's price fair.
using a velveteen gown or linen coatee gives you the same results.
atleast i haven't had any big differences in crafting using either of those 3 bodys.

They're notorious for a reason.


Notorious for respawning and wiping your party while doing loot that is!

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

Decided what? That the drops were good? I am just relaying what I heard. People expressed that the drops were better than crafted gear.

If they aren't amazing, then I see no problem with more diversity. But if they are amazing and with a short repop timer, then won't that hurt the economy? I already have like 50 million gil so what do I care? But for players who want to craft but can't sell anything, they might find that NM gear prevents them from that.

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No, i mean who decided that we need an higher drop rate. Seems fine to me. They sure are much more rare than people make up to. 23 kills now, no drop.

So yeah, they're something to kill when you come across them, if you get the drop good, if you don't, move over.

They're a cool diversion, and that's it. The gear is cool, but it's not worth wasting several hours on considering how fast it can be outleveled.
You won't see everyone wearing the same things because of this, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

ok, let's say overpriced.
perhaps it's a good combi craft piece, but the stats surely don't make it's price fair.
using a velveteen gown or linen coatee gives you the same results.
atleast i haven't had any big differences in crafting using either of those 3 bodys.

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its not overpriced when people are willing to pay for it,
its worth whatever people are willing to pay.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

ok, let's say overpriced.
perhaps it's a good combi craft piece, but the stats surely don't make it's price fair.
using a velveteen gown or linen coatee gives you the same results.
atleast i haven't had any big differences in crafting using either of those 3 bodys.

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Velveteen gown doesn't favor Blacksmiths or Armorers, and linen coatee is just mg craft :). And it is only overpriced because SE failed to add Velveteen and Linen Doublets. if there were a linen doublet, it would have 25craft and 8mg craft, as opposed to dodore doublets 26craft and 9mg craft. They do need to increase the stats of NM dropped and unique equipment before they add the things they forgot.

I was hoping fore more high rank items that they forgot to add to be added. maybe next time...

Stop crying. I wouldnt mind they respawn a little slower but the way NMs worked in FFXI would not work for this game. Spending hours upon hours to get a good reward like in FFXI is not for everyone. I actually didnt mind it, but it is not for everyone. And this game is for a wider audience. Accessibility FTW.

I think many of you are expecting too much from the word "notorious". Just because something is called "notorious" doesn't mean it's super difficult or rare.

Notorious: "Famous or well known, typically for some bad quality or deed."

To be honest, for low level NMs, I don't log on to wait 3 hours only to find I'm competing with 20 other people that also want the same items only to find that I don't win the claim and I have to wait for the monster to spawn in another 3 hours. The short respawn is perfect. I was NOT pleased with FFXI's super long wait times when it came to NM spawn timers.

...Especially when I'm only going to be using the armor for a few ranks/levels.

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Originally Posted by Warp

I highly doubt the best gear in the game is going to be crafted/dyeable. Just sayin...

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I doubt that too, and it's stupid.

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Originally Posted by Verecund

They're notorious for a reason.


Notorious for respawning and wiping your party while doing loot that is!

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Nah, they're notorious for not dropping the good stuff.

It's stupid for people that refuse to craft maybe... Right now the best gear in the game (besides mage gear) is crafted. Aeolian Scimitar, Vintage Haub, Vintage Kite shield, etc. I hope it stays that way.

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Originally Posted by Visch

And leaping lizzy wasn't for lower players? What are you even talking about? This is completely stupid.

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LL was a freakin ditch.... 1-3 hour repop rate my butt more like 5+ hour repop rate. and 1% drop rate.... it took ppl years to even get that drop if they was unlucky. took me 5 years and imo those didn't impress me,

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Originally Posted by Agriast

I think the best thing they could do is just try harder to make this feel like a final fantasy game.

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what you mean?

OMG!!!! Look at me!!! I'm here to whine about NM repop times... I mean seriously you people cry and cry about casual vs. hardcore... don't you see when you whine about something that casual players want, SE will see it, then you whine about hardcore players want, SE will see it too.

Really, quit bitching and understand, you're not the only person they are trying to make happy... It sucks, we know they shouldn't try to focus on everyone and pick only one, but don't you already see how it is, thats not how it works. So the best thing we can do is see that they did that with the repop times and hope they do something else.