Dear Conjurors who are new to MMO's

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Better learn the job early becuse higher lvl dungeons are no joke for healers.

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I feel like the story tries to prepare CNJ for their role on the lv 15 quest where they have to keep the Wood Wailers alive.

I am new to the MMO world but even I understand that the healer's job is to heal first. However, as a new player I concur with others that helpful advice is always welcome.

Not had any issues so far but only done the first 3 dungeons and to be fair the tanks I have had were not bad which made my life so much easier. Pretty easy to keep the group topped and maintain dot(s) on the boss. If you are new to healing just keep watching how much your cure restores and you will soon see how much damage a tank can take before you need to even worry about them when you work that out you can weave in damage or just chill so your mp doesn't run dry.

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Originally Posted by frychikn

lets PRETEND that the content was easy enough that you could dps.

dpsing cost mana. i dont know about you, but in longer fights you kind of need mana. have you ever played an mmo, ever?

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I think the only fight so far I haven't been able to swap to Cleric Stance and help DPS is Titan hard mode.

No wait I used it to help kill the Heart.

Well we're now a bit into release and some people have started to get how things work in dungeons. But the people who haven't are horrible. I tried running Sunken Temple of Qarn like 5 times before i got a decent healer. Hell one didn't even know what a tank was and tried to take the lead which naturally ended in the party being ko'd frequently.

Seriously this is frustrating a hell. Thank you all of you healers that actually heal and be the life of the party. I can only hope that people can follow your examples.

Disclaimer: so I read the first four pages then decided to skip the rest, but here is my two cents.

Advice: People will die that isn't your fault, don't fret. Your responsibility is to keep productive members of the team alive. If your dps is a tool and he keeps standing in red circles....I let him die, better for me to keep mana and heal a party of 3 for success. As the healer you have the most control of the situation and the responsibility of being the most aware...(if the guy who clicks the cannon dies and your other people are stuck in tunnel vision, then you break healz and click the cannon) or ( your casting a heal and a red circle pops underneath you, you need to know when to break cast and get out the circle or eat the dmg because if you break, your tank dies) Only way to know those things is with time and experience. Most importantly, Have Fun!

Once your gear improves, at least for AK dungeons and such, your mana is nothing to worry about. I pretty much only run with my FC and we are all full Darklight with relics. I usually sit in cleric stance and dps and only heal with Medica II and Regen's.

Coil however you will never be able to dps, those fights are no joke for healers. Make sure you are very comfortable healing and I would highly suggest mouse over macros.

I thought it was quite fascinating, I had never seen this phenomenom before, All these "fake healers" running around not really doing their job properly Hehe.

On my server something strange has happend most have disappeared, we have gone from being overcrowed with healers to very few.

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Originally Posted by Kaesara

I thought it was quite fascinating, I had never seen this phenomenom before, All these "fake healers" running around not really doing their job properly Hehe.

On my server something strange has happend most have disappeared, we have gone from being overcrowed with healers to very few.

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You know, new people in the ge nre tried it and found that you have to watch everyone, the environment, keep track of your offtank to know where to run if aggro, and any mechanics, and didn't like that kind of responsibility or realized it was too hard for them.

As a first time healer myself the first dungeon I did the other day, I had died several times tyring to learning the ropes. Luckily, I had found a good team that kept my spirits up and we pressed on. Though some of us are new and slow, make sure to at least try to help one another out and not go straight to the hate. I've now run four straight dungeons with random groups to have no one died and no ones mood dampened. Go team!

Gratz, I'm glad you like it :)

I’m still not completely sold on the idea that it was just because players were new. Obviously it is a "part" of it but not the whole reason. I had just never seen this type of behaviour in other MMO's which I found quite interesting :)

I’m actually starting to think it was experienced players (maybe non-healers) wanting to try something different. The DPS that Conjurer’s and White Mages can do is pretty good compared to some other MMO's The fact that in some cases healers can be used fairly offensively with cross class skills maybe people thought they could level particularly quickly.

Plus we all got a free unicorn :D

Just my theory Hehe.

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Originally Posted by randomZOMBIE

Average duty finder PUG-

'Stonerbro Potsmoke' The slowmo tank "I gotsta hit dis bong real quick bro!"

'Secksy Catbutts' The 13 y/o boy who plays the anorexic cat girl, and runs around like he forgot to take his ADHD meds "Gay! Suck! Fail! Penis!"

'Catbutt Secks' The counter part to the last titstick

The Catbutt twins will Leeroy Jenkins a room before Stonerbro even realizes he's been moved into a dungeon, much less added to a party.

Catbutt twins are now running around in a circle shouting "Gay! Tank Sucks! LOL! Penis!"

Stonerbro is following them Benny Hill style "Stop movin bro! I can't move and attack bro!"

I get frustrated chain cast heals till I get all agro and just stand in one spot healing myself while Stonerbro and the Catbutt twins dps everything down.

Catbutt Twins- "Lol! CNJ Suck! Tank Fail! Penis!"

Stonerbro- "wtf bro! lemme tank bro!"

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This is spot on..

Hello everyone - First post I think here so bare with me but I just want to put this out there.

Since we are on the topic of job/class responsibilities I would like to point out that:
1. As a tank know your limits - Don't just rush into the a room of 10-20 mobs and expect healers to keep you up. In this particular instance I know right off that bat that even with all the healing in the world my cool down is not going to allow for me to keep you up. It then becomes a balancing game for healers to peel your new-found friends to bring your damage to acceptable limits. Which is were the CC aspect of our class comes into play. - Fluid Aura > Repose is macro-ed for such events as well as getting aggro from all the new mobs you decided to befriend. (This will be continued...)

Which brings me to my other point - DPS/DOT - whatever you want to call yourselves
2. I realize that it is very tempting to go in the middle of said pack and AOE or mana bar away. Or dot every single mob till your heart’s content but please save that for instances or times when it’s really needed. IE when adds spawn during a boss right - (WP comes to mind)

Between managing and removing status effects CCing when the BLM is entirely sleeping on the job literally, not to mention healing the tank and dodging. Healers really could do without you going over to wake a peacefully sleeping mob. The only healing spell that have that can be cast while running is Regen which will maybe keep you up for a bit if you pull aggro that means wipe or Raise if the healer finds the time do so.

I can't tell you how to do your jobs but I just wanted to point out that healers have a lot on their plate. I enjoy being a healer but there are times when I just want to burst with anger from some of the parties I've had. I have come to the point of having a Boolean Statement before each pull - To heal or not to heal that is the question. Sometimes its better to just let you die but only as a learning mechanism. If NOT healing you is what is best for the groups survival of said pull as a whole then prepare for rezz sickness. I will gladly raise everyone afterwards saying to them "Now what did we learn?" Anyway thanks for reading or not reading. :)

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Originally Posted by viridius

A good conjurer can heal and deal damage they just have to get a rhythm

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^This. Having a feel of the battles is the key and that takes experience. With a feel on things you can pretty much stray away from standard play and do some DPS. Of course keeping everyone alive and not pulling hate is the priority but with a decent tank trash mobs are pretty dull and tank and spank bosses should be DPS'ed down faster. Unlike FFXI, WHMs here deal pretty good damages to make difference.

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Originally Posted by Shmashed

This is spot on..

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Yeah, except there are a lot of healers played by Secksey Catbutts that run around screaming "Pull faster!!" jumping and dpsing while healing "because I can do it all- healers are op! LOLZ" - "Why do I still have mps??"

One of the reason I play a healer is so I don't have to deal with the other people playing healers. (Not that everyone is like that, of course)

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Originally Posted by Savyge

Sometimes its better to just let you die but only as a learning mechanism. If NOT healing you is what is best for the groups survival of said pull as a whole then prepare for rezz sickness. I will gladly raise everyone afterwards saying to them "Now what did we learn?" Anyway thanks for reading or not reading. :)

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This, every time someone stands in gunk/fire/things that kill them. I will not heal you if you can't watch where you stand!

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Originally Posted by eternalstar01

This, every time someone stands in gunk/fire/things that kill them. I will not heal you if you can't watch where you stand!

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Thanks for agreeing :)

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Originally Posted by Logistical

So Cleric Stance and spam stone right?
But nah seriously, even my friend was complaining how much he hates doing dungeons without me. Apparently it's pretty bad, and these dungeons are practically afk'able atm.

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It is easy, on my SCH I have been experimenting with healing delays since I have a fairy that heals through trash fairly well.

I think this game calls for a balance of healing and DPS(/CC if needed). If all you do is heal you will have so much downtime it will put you to sleep. But its definitely a skill you hafta learn through practice. When your DPS'ing sometimes you might get lazy and forget the HP bars.

A lot of people need to learn that if one does obtain aggro from the tank through uber dps. JUST STAND THERE and not run away from the tank/healer. I hate trying to chase them to the end of the Eorzea because these DPS think they can run away from all hits and kite, especially melees. (Bards are an exception to this) For sure in 8 mans, I can easily solo heal a single target through all the burst damage, but I can't heal if i cant cast because im trying to chase them down. Gets annoying sometimes. And by sometimes, i mean all the time.

Yeah so FF14 is my 1st mmo, but i figured out dealing damage was a bad idea almost immediately.

I seem to have a serious problem with tanks who have no idea how to pull emnity. Hard to heal others when running from mobs, and healing yourself.

I dont know how many times I've been the first party member to die, and I look at the tanks skill points, and its 100%

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Originally Posted by zetayuri

Just a friendly reminder, you're primary role is healing. In almost half of my dungeon runs conjurors have completely forgotten to heal and had the part wiped out.

Eh, just ranting i guess.

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As a veteran WhiteMage, just my 2 cents:

In case of failure to blame:

1. Casting times and/or GlobalCoolDowns for imba healing mechanics,

2. Ping (Server <-> Client resonse time),

3. (Main) tank, who is unable to keep enmity / hate .

That is why:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...92#post1358092

MoogZ

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Originally Posted by AlBhedMoog

As a veteran WhiteMage, just my 2 cents:

In case of failure to blame:

1. Casting times and/or GlobalCoolDowns for imba healing mechanics,

2. Ping (Server <-> Client resonse time),

3. (Main) tank, who is unable to keep enmity / hate .

That is why:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...92#post1358092

MoogZ

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Please stop throwing your thread around. People having trouble in dungeons is often due to inexperience rather than game mechanics. Enmity is hard to deal with as a WHM but, that doesn't mean we should buff WHM or make spells instacast.

New to MMOs as well. Did first three dungeons today with mixed results. Satasha the tank ran in the second the mission started while I was reading the tutorial and died and said wtf and quit. Made it through that one right after I figured out who the tank was. Tam-tara went better as I had a little more experience as a CNJ role. Copper bell mines was a nightmare. Two players rushed into every fight leaving me with two to heal and would draw every mob around us making it hard to heal as I took damage. Then on the last boss fight they ignored the minions trying to kill the main boss quick. Well guess who the minions attack? Me and the other DPS. So I'm running around like a chicken spamming medica and somehow we beat the dungeon. The tank then states to everyone boy that healer was crap basically.
I was enjoying the game up until that point but not sure if I should change to a tank so I could blame the healer?:)

Also why can't I raise in the middle of a fight? Either that or the character disappears before I can raise them. A little frustrating. Thx.

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Originally Posted by Madvulcan

Also why can't I raise in the middle of a fight? Either that or the character disappears before I can raise them. A little frustrating. Thx.

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You can raise during battle but you must be level 28 (maybe 32, I forgot).
You will gain an ability that will allow you to raise in battle.

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Originally Posted by Madvulcan

Also why can't I raise in the middle of a fight? Either that or the character disappears before I can raise them. A little frustrating. Thx.

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At early levels, not everybody knows to wait for a raise. But here's the thing, unless you are in a boss fight, it's better to just go back to the start and take the shortcut. The healer's casting time for raise is so slow, others could die in the meantime. It also uses a lot of mp. Then the raised character will have weakness and be vulnerable to an immediate hit before they can even move. In a typical dungeon run, it's more practical not to be raised. This does not apply to boss fights because the player cannot get back in unless the party wipes.

Thx for the answers:) I'll try to be patient to those asking to be raised during battle until I get that skill. Still enjoying the game overall.

The fact is, and why I hate dungeons in this game, there are a lot of gamers new to group dynamics, tank/healer/dps. Tank HAS to know how to get the aggro and keep it, off more than one mob. DPS keeps adds busy until tank can get the mob off the DPS. DPS have to know how to assist tank so they don't get aggro. Healer's job is to keep tank healed, period. They can throw heals to DPS if needed for a short time. IF healer is doing his/her job, no one has the right to blame the healer if the group fails. No one runs except towards tank, who grabs the aggro.

See? That's why the group is made up of tank/healer/two DPS. If players can't get it right, SE needs to balance dungeons in some other way. Either that or they will lose players. Many have quit already just because of this one failure.

I'm new to both healing and MMO's, this being the first one I've ever played in a group of people. I've been very lucky to know/have a wonderful tank that I've never gone in a dungeon without (yet), and thankfully have only twice throughout my entire dungeoning experience have had people die. (I haven't done very many.)

I found the first few dungeons were very easy, and I sat around a lot of the time feeling useless as I was more or less informed that I should only focus on healing. However, I'm finding the healing factor becoming slowly harder, and trying to use damaging spells is out of the question if I want to keep the tanks health up.

I'm still trying to get used to cleric stance, since I don't like using it if I don't have to, but I hope to be a decent healer for future dungeons. Still, its nice to see that being focused only on healing, even if there are times where I feel like I should contribute more, is the hopefully correct thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Brises

But here's the thing, unless you are in a boss fight, it's better to just go back to the start and take the shortcut.

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Related tangent; I was really surprised when the tank kept asking for a Raise during a Haukke Manor run - he even laid there and asked for one after the party had wiped at the boss and everyone had returned to the boss room. I don't know if he just didn't know about Weakness or what. . .But it's just so weird that he wouldn't know about that at that level.

The main issue here is that most new healers don't get much practice in a group environment. The game is only 10-20% group play until u reach end game. I was new to healing for FFXI and I did a pretty good job right off the bat but even if you didn't have it right off the bat you had the eternal grind to perfect your skills. That is the main difference imo.

For those who feel the curve is too steep, try healing in oldschool games (reading the log entirely and cast the right Esuna {there's a different one per debuff} as soon as the mob readies their skills and keeping everyone hasted and ss'ed. Once you pull aggro you wipe the group. That was way more hardcore.

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Originally Posted by Lyein

My two bits-

Your job as a healer is to heal. Anything you do on top of that is gravy. However, you have to keep in mind that if you fail to heal someone dies and then it snowballs from there. If you only heal, but do it well, the battle takes a little longer but you don't ever have to start over. If you fully utilize your class the party can push forward a little faster but if you stumble... that little time you save isn't worth a wipe.

We should all strive to use our class to its fullest extent. But if you're having trouble doing that, its fine if you back off and only heal. Not too many people come on the forums and flame about how that damned healer in their party just kept everyone alive and didn't even contribute to the DPS! : D

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I mostly agree with this, but what I feel is missing from this quote is the ability to DPS is often reliant on how good your party actually is. In some parties, I can DPS easily and even stay in Cleric Stance the entire fight. But if the tank isn't dodging attacks or if the DPS are firing at the wrong targets or spamming AoEs, then I can't switch to Cleric and speed up the fight.

I run with my MMO buddy who tanks on WAR, and as long as our DPS knows how to focus on targets and not derp around, I Cleric Stance it up. If I'm feeling bold enough, I'll even do it on bosses. Do we die? No, and no one has died yet because I was in DPS mode.

The key to stance dancing with Cleric Stance is looking at the HP bars and the damage intake. How much damage is the tank sustaining overtime? Is the DPS also taking damage? Is there spike damage incoming? How long will the battle take? All of this has to be taken into account, which is why I've grown to like White Mage so much. I personally find it unfortunate that so many White Mages don't take the opportunity to utilize Cleric Stance and many advocate not doing so. It's what makes White Mage something beyond just being a standard healing class.

+1 that post above me. I was able to dps a lot up until mid-level when dps started getting stupid and disregarding targeting and pulling hate every two seconds. I barely have enough mana to keep everyone alive, and generally wind up just letting said dps die if I'm too low on mana. Seems like I get one of those every few runs, but I'm lucky enough that at least one of the dps uses a little common sense.

I really appreciate you guys keeping this thread more about constructive feedback. I've read through all of it and feel significantly better informed than I was. I'm a newbie MMO healer, and really... sometimes, perspective is everything.

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Originally Posted by Yarikh

First time I played Satasha, I zoned out once and stared, befuddled as to why our tank's hp is not healing back when I realize I haven't selected him and I was spam healing myself. Something for me to laugh at and remember later. We were all new at some point and mistakes are inevitable. It's a continuous learning process. You can't expect people to be experts off the bat. Some are quick to learn, some aren't. Some research, some like to wing it. Just have to be more patient while people are still learning. Who knows, they might save your arse later in higher leveled dungeons.

But there's a difference from people who are willing to learn to become better and people who think they are too good to listen to helpful advice.

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hahahaha been there my friend! Mind you i think it might have been that party id had with Mary Jane.....

I've started to lv Conjurer/Whm a weeks or 2 ago and I'm only doing dongeon to level it because I think it's the best way to really learn your job. Usually I sleep the mobs around, pop a regen on the tank and switch stance, stick my DOTs on the mobs, checking if the tank need more than just Regen at this point. Usually I need to switch back and cast 1 or 2 Cure 1, I refresh Regen, change stance and then casting Stone,Stone 2 and refresh DOTs if needed. On a boss fight I always start with my DOTs because, with Stoneskin active, I don't need to heal at the start, then switch back, Regen + cure if needed, An eye for an Eye. Then I check the HP of my tank and the other DPS.

I have WHM up to level 38 (originally I was doing ARC/BRD, so for the most part my CNJ/WHM has been 10 levels behind my ARC/BRD), what you notice is that in the earlier dungeons (at least up to Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak) you'll probably always have DPS that have never done it, and very likely the Tank hasn't done it either. Instant Queue for me then. So prepare to explain when they don't understand why you can't zerg rush everything.

Things get interesting around Haukke Manor and later, since this is where the Tank is now the one without the queue and probably has done it before.

BTW, the DF queues are the best way to level a healer, as FATE's (Without a party) will almost never get past a Silver rank unless you were there first.