how to make 10mil+ gil a day (and its effect on 2.0?)

Look, OP is WAY of base... I've actually BEEN buying/selling Dawn Drops, constantly, and in two days straight of nothing BUT (not even stopping to kill atomos) buying/selling dawn drops, I've only gotten 7mil.

Entrance fee into realm reborn, all your gils.

But SE -NEEDs- to hire an economist, video game economies are little real world examples. We really need to keep the barrier of entry to a minimum otherwise casuals and newcomers will be put off - and may quit depending on what has been effected. And this affects hardcore players as SE will have less money and less encouragement to put in the full 100% work force.

Also has anyone had confirmation if they are reducing the digit point or if they are reducing your whole gil amount. Those are two very separate things, one says move your money to your retainers and be safe - the other is inescapable (minus buying products).

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

Considering this Atomos thing will probably end in November, along with the world, all it's doing is giving current players yet more of an economic head start. Not only that, it's letting us finish off whatever Grand Company desires we might have. There will surely be plenty of gil sink in 2.0 to take the money back out of the economy. I'm looking forward to buying luxury land.

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This is a good point that you make. I didn't even think about how much of a gil sink the free company lots are going to be, so alot of this money will probably be removed granted they dont fix this issue before then.

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Originally Posted by Nero

The only way i could think of right now, would be ending the "foundation day", or whatever it is what let those npc's appear where you trade the crystals in.

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Or they could, you know, hotfix the prices of what dawn drops sell for.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

People NPC stuff all the time! What is the difference between me farming walnut logs, making masks and NPCing them and farming crystals, buying dawn drops and NPCing them???

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See below:

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

The difference is that an individual cannot generate ten million gil in sixteen hours NPCing masks or crystals. Not even close. Not remotely close. This is an aberration and a very serious one.

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This is introducing way too much money into the economy and as others have mentioned, prices for things such as weapons needed for the relic quest are skyrocketing. I hope SE is going to do something in addition to the lowering of the max gil cap. I don't want to see prices go all crazy like they did in FF11 back in the day.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Entrance fee into realm reborn, all your gils.

But SE -NEEDs- to hire an economist, video game economies are little real world examples. We really need to keep the barrier of entry to a minimum otherwise casuals and newcomers will be put off - and may quit depending on what has been effected. And this affects hardcore players as SE will have less money and less encouragement to put in the full 100% work force.

Also has anyone had confirmation if they are reducing the digit point or if they are reducing your whole gil amount. Those are two very separate things, one says move your money to your retainers and be safe - the other is inescapable (minus buying products).

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You only had to look a few post down

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...034#post831034

1/10th

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Originally Posted by Orophin

This is introducing way too much money into the economy and as others have mentioned, prices for things such as weapons needed for the relic quest are skyrocketing. I hope SE is going to do something in addition to the lowering of the max gil cap. I don't want to see prices go all crazy like they did in FF11 back in the day.

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Yes but the reason prices are skyrocketing isn't because people are buying and selling dawn drops. Its because no one is doing anything but the damn event so there is absolutely no supply of anything and demand is skyrocketing. There are only 5 avengers on the AH right now on Gungnir, and only one of them isn't melded. There are 6 sarngas. As for the other ones that still have a decent supply the price has stayed relatively the same. There is actually a Rampager up right now that is even cheaper than what they were selling for last week before the event.

I don't know about other servers, but if you can find me a relic prereq weapon that has a good supply of them available up for 50 mil then I will cave to your mentality that it is all the dawn drops fault.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

You only had to look a few post down

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...034#post831034

1/10th

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I dont trust google translater :P, but if you can read it ill say ok lol.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Look, OP is WAY of base... I've actually BEEN buying/selling Dawn Drops, constantly, and in two days straight of nothing BUT (not even stopping to kill atomos) buying/selling dawn drops, I've only gotten 7mil.

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doing it wrong lol

1/10 is misleading, it's more like 9/10ths

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Originally Posted by Req

I don't know about other servers, but if you can find me a relic prereq weapon that has a good supply of them available up for 50 mil then I will cave to your mentality that it is all the dawn drops fault.

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Guess we'll just have to see if/when the event ends and if people start moving more weapons into the market. I know there are people on my server that play for great lengths at a time and will put in the time to milk this for what they can. They're also the type of people if they have the money at their disposal that they'll do every single relic they can before November 1st.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

doing it wrong lol

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qft. If you've only made 7mil in two days straight of doing Dawn Drops you're something terribly wrong.

Edit: Just read through the JP>Eng translation where they're saying 1/10th

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Originally Posted by Churchill

1/10 is misleading, it's more like 9/10ths

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1/10 = .1 or 10%
9/10 = .9 or 90%

300 x .1 = 30
300 x .9 = 270

Your gil is getting reduced to 1/10th of its original value

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Originally Posted by Breladine

Wrong. Yoshi P said they will be removing a digit from the gil CAP, not everyone's gil. So the max amount of gil you can carry will be 99,999,999 instead of 999,999,999

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Really? you might want to edit this..

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...034#post831034

It will become "How to make 1 Million in a day".

And all gil values, even the amount you are currently holding, will be reduced to 10%

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Originally Posted by Churchill

doing it wrong lol

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How is that doing it wrong? Because I didn't stop to do atomos? Thats irrelevant to how much time it takes to make NEW gil off this event. If I was selling them on MW for gil, that's not creating new gil, that's merely circulating gil which has no effect on the economy.

anyone farming gil for 16 hours a day has already lost at life: you win the game by default

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Originally Posted by SzaaKarna

anyone farming gil for 16 hours a day has already lost at life: you win the game by default

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way to insult 80% of the people playing this game (-cough- darklight and relic ppl -cough-)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Also has anyone had confirmation if they are reducing the digit point or if they are reducing your whole gil amount. Those are two very separate things, one says move your money to your retainers and be safe - the other is inescapable (minus buying products).

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They reduce everything
And to the people who think they can just buy wrapped arrows to keep the amount of gil:

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Items sold at 1 digit gil will be adjusted in 2.0 or destroyed.
(For those items that will be destroyed the gil will automatically returned but even at that time the amount returned will be 1/10's of current value)

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Prices on Durandal are already getting out of hand fossilissed matter jumped from 6k to 50k in a day cobalt arrows went from 50 gil to over 1k in hours and are still climbing. With each passing day it becomes more and more necessary to join into the spam fest. Pretending that just because something is boring will stop them from doing it is a joke at best when you can just make a keyboard macro and afk for infinite money while you do anything else. This needs to be stopped and fast, the longer it goes on the worse off the repercussions of it are be that lose of advancement because we all got rolled back or having to put up with an economy that basically makes it impossible for a new player or a player with low gil to get anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Denmark

Prices on Durandal are already getting out of hand fossilissed matter jumped from 6k to 50k in a day cobalt arrows went from 50 gil to over 1k in hours and are still climbing. With each passing day it becomes more and more necessary to join into the spam fest. Pretending that just because something is boring will stop them from doing it is a joke at best when you can just make a keyboard macro and afk for infinite money while you do anything else. This needs to be stopped and faster the longer it goes on the worse off the repercussions of it are be that lose of advancement because we all got rollback or having to put up with an economy that basically makes it impossible for a new player or a player with low gil to get anywhere.

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But this is not from Atomos. This is from people believing the cap is going to lower, and those with 100mil are more are mass-buying so as not to 'lose gil'. Gil that was not in circulation because it was being hoarded, is suddenly being circulated.

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Originally Posted by Denmark

Prices on Durandal are already getting out of hand fossilissed matter jumped from 6k to 50k in a day cobalt arrows went from 50 gil to over 1k in hours and are still climbing. With each passing day it because more and more necessary to join into the spam fest. Pretending that just because something is boring will stop them from doing it is a joke at best when you can just make a keyboard macro and afk for infinite money while you do anything else. This needs to be stopped and faster the longer it goes on the worse off the repercussions of it are be that lose of advancement because we all got rollback or having to put up with an economy that basically makes it impossible for a new player or a player with low gil to get anywhere.

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They should probably decrease our money more then they are decreasing the whole market - as there will be a barrier to entry otherwise (of course then people will stock up on items lol).

If only they had the economic know how to know when to roll back changes or stop actions asap we really wouldnt even need all this.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

But this is not from Atomos. This is from people believing the cap is going to lower, and those with 100mil are more are mass-buying so as not to 'lose gil'. Gil that was not in circulation because it was being hoarded, is suddenly being circulated.

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Wow... first people getting into fist fights over Imperial NMs, then Atomos blowing up newbies and now economic chaos....

The world is truly ending.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Wow... first people getting into fist fights over Imperial NMs, then Atomos blowing up newbies and now economic chaos....

The world is truly ending.

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SE is giving us the most realistic armageddon ever :D

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Originally Posted by Breladine

Wrong. Yoshi P said they will be removing a digit from the gil CAP, not everyone's gil. So the max amount of gil you can carry will be 99,999,999 instead of 999,999,999

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You might want to read this.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

SE is giving us the most realistic armageddon ever :D

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Now all we need to do is send Bruce Willis to Dalamud with a nuke and we are set.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

The world is truly ending.

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Not without having bigger b( . )( . )bs.

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

lol u obviously dont understand what people are doing :/ most people at the moment are farming stacks of crystals and then handing them in for 1k seals each 4 crystals or something, then every 15k seals they buy 100 stacks of dawn drops from gc counter and npc them so they are making millions from npc at a really quick rate 10m per day "Inflation occurs when players bring large sums of money into the economy", most are also using bots to do this as the buying of dawn drops takes forever, so the bot presses enter > left > enter repeat.



there are alot of easier way to make money, but all this money is not coming from other players but from the game so everyone is getting alot richer quicker and everybody on the server can achieve this even a level 1 DoH, hence the massive inflation.

I just hope SE realise how bad this is and stop the crystals from being handed in for GC seals or something before it gets even worse.

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LOL you're serious? Let someone waste their time doing this, I'll keep selling them the crystals in the wards

;~; I'm still hopeful.

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Originally Posted by CoolhandLou

LOL you're serious?

1 Drop = 125 gil
99 Drops = 12,500 gil = 1,000 Seals

1000 seals = 4 crystals

1 crystal is selling in the wards for 12k

If you want to spend your seals on drops.. go ahead. I just made 125k while at work selling 11 crystals, and these idiots are spending that time to make a fraction of that. Let them do it, they're probably the same people buying the crystals.

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You messed up your math there buddy. It only takes 150 seals to buy a stack of dawn drops.

150 seals = 1 stack for 12.6k
1500 seals = 10 stacks for 126k
15000 seals = 100 stacks for 1.26 million.

Every crystal is worth about 20k if you were to convert it into dawn drops at a rate of 1 crystal being 250 seals and 4 being 1000. The person that you sold those 11 crystals to made about 100k off you.

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Originally Posted by Colino

You might want to read this.

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Thanks!

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Originally Posted by CoolhandLou

LOL you're serious?

1 Drop = 125 gil
99 Drops = 12,500 gil = 1,000 Seals

1000 seals = 4 crystals

1 crystal is selling in the wards for 12k

Let someone waste their time doing this, I'll keep selling them the crystals in the wards

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Nice math. I hope you realize by selling at 12k, you're getting hosed on their actual value.

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Originally Posted by CoolhandLou

LOL you're serious? Let someone waste their time doing this, I'll keep selling them the crystals in the wards

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Your math is all wrong. 1000 seals will buy 660 drops.

This seems like one of those news reports where they spend 20 mins talking on national news about how shitty security is at nuclear plants or something. SO maybe like 5 people with ill intentions knew about this before the news report but after it like 1000's knew, so you essentially took something that was kind of bad and made it a million times worse instead of better.

Still though, the current servers economies were already a joke. Level 20 items selling for 50k each? Yeah, that encourges new players to want to go do stuff. The only chance new players in 2.0 will have, even well before this atomos thing, was to start on one of the brand new servers they are creating for ps3 players. The box should come with a damn warning about the existing servers economy heh.

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Originally Posted by Tacotaru

Nice math. I hope you realize by selling at 12k, you're getting hosed on their actual value.

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You like math?

4 Crystals = 48k in the wards or 82k by clicking a laggy npc over and over and over. Take an economics course and determine the value of time in this equation. I'll lose 34k any day if I can automate the process instead of manually.

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Originally Posted by Req

You messed up your math there buddy. It only takes 150 seals to buy a stack of dawn drops.

150 seals = 1 stack for 12.6k
1500 seals = 10 stacks for 126k
15000 seals = 100 stacks for 1.26 million.

Every crystal is worth about 20k if you were to convert it into dawn drops at a rate of 1 crystal being 250 seals and 4 being 1000. The person that you sold those 11 crystals to made about 100k off you.

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I find it funny he's been thinking he was one-upping people by selling crystals for 12k each, but he's been ripping himself off, lol.

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Originally Posted by CoolhandLou

You like math?

4 Crystals = 48k in the wards or 82k by clicking a laggy npc over and over and over. Take an economics course and determine the value of time in this equation. I'll lose 34k any day if I can automate the process instead of manually.

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Funny how you go from thinking you're one-upping everyone to, upon realizing your math sucks, you suddenly pretend you don't care.

Edit: Plus there's nothing laggy about the NPC.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Funny how you go from thinking you're one-upping everyone to, upon realizing your math sucks, you suddenly pretend you don't care.

Edit: Plus there's nothing laggy about the NPC.

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I find it funny that you care so much. Time = Money

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Originally Posted by CoolhandLou

I find it funny that you care so much. Time = Money

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Are you making more money with the time you're saving or are you just arguing to desperately try to save face while failing horribly?

You do realize it doesn't take that much time to convert a round of Atomos into Dawn drops right. You can easily convert a full runs worth long before the next run rolls around for almost double your net profit, that is a huge part of why this is bad in the first place >.>.