Official Statement: Regarding Mod Usage and Culture

Yoshida-san's comment makes perfect sense for me. The onus is on folks who had to be loud about breaking rules -- he really didn't have issues as long as things were kept underground.

Though in regards to money. Its still in their ballpark to make that money with making a good game that treats their subscribing customers well.

You do NOT make money by doing sideprojects and telling people to "go play other games cause we got nothing here for you"

The goodwill needs to be earned back with meaningful hard hitting story, dialogue, gameplay and QoL innovation in 8.0 or we will keep running in circles or to an inevitable dead end

People will support them through cash shop if the game is good.

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Originally Posted by Dastan

This guy has a seemingly unlimited amount of patience with this community...

This also confirms what I already knew. They do not have a problem with you using mods, so long as you don't use them to affect other people's game and play. As long as everything is only on your end, and you are not using it to abuse others, you're good.

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Wrong. Sharing is also bad bad bad.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

some people just can't read what they are seeing on the screen. and also looking for something or someone to be mad at lmao

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and then some people can't tell a shitpost

Nice to see he has a much lenient stance on mods. The problem are mods that use players ID for malicious purpose. Apparently Mare had some bad actors who were using it to stalk ppl. Again folks if your that mentally twisted to engage in stalking, harassing, and other nefarious acts just stop. Look ppl making plug-ins to stalk ppl bad enough, ppl taking a mod that was meant to be for fun and doing that with it.....come on. Yoshi-P is actually be nice for once about this. The least ppl can do is not be idk weird for a few minutes. If someone bothers you that much dont engage them. Defiantly dont be making a plug-in or mod that allows you to reverse engineer the game in order to stalk them. Cause ima call ya weird like the rest of peeps.

Overall looks like Dalamund and certain others are safe for now until ppl get weird again and go on an obsession to look up ppl in rp community they blocked in order to stalk them or stalk ppl for under cutting them.....

They know perfectly well that the game and many of its players are way past very deviant behaviour and SE has been capitalizing on it for years now. They are trying to avoid a scandal and legal actions against them for things that could basically shut the game down and hurt SE badly.
A whole part of the game is deeply disgusting and disturbing, SE knows it, they don't mind as long as it brings money and doesn't go overly public.

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Originally Posted by Scruit_Bigtime

in regards to the arguement of people using mods for mogstation items instead of buying them.

like piracy in general, if people would rather take the unofficial route to get your product/item, they either dont have the money for it, or dont think its worth the price and likely would not have purchased it anyway.

and i think this may have an opposite effect as people who may have used mod for mogstation items may well feel far less inclined to spend money on them now.

whereas up until now people would buy things like emotes and gear sets because mods were being made to work off those items, either by directly replacing them or improving/expanding upon them

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Scruit_Bigtime ima give you some amazing advice free of charge hold for a second ima let the legend, the myth, the man himself tell ya
Gabe Newell famously stated that "piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem". He elaborated that the easiest way to stop piracy is not through anti-piracy technology but by offering a better service than what pirates provide, emphasizing that users are willing to pay if the service is valuable and convenient enough.
How about SE lower the prices on them outfits that one outfit costing 42.00 and your telling me you are ok with an outfit costing that much?

Look I buy from mogstation....but even I have limitations on that. Outfits costing 42.00 and its not even acount bound is WILD.

Also. If the outfit offers bigger boobas ofcourse ID do that. XD

Overall tho. I cant take what your saying serious. Like allot of you have the I play this game and I demand to control your account cause i Pay a sub and for that I demand all of you to bow to my playstyle or ill ban you for life mind set.

Idc if ppl wanna mod. Don't advertise it, don't let me know, don't even talk to me about it. IF im a drug dealer selling drugs. Am I just gonna straight up go to the police and be like eyo wanna buy some drugs....of course not. So think of mods like a drug and yoshi-p like a police officer. You dont want him to notice dont give him a reason to notice. To all the peeps with the remove mods for good mindset. Mind you, that be the stupidest hot take you all would do. Im sorry but the truth is. Remove the mods and this game would die faster than my hopes and dreams of ppl on forum actually being intelligent enough to understand how deep the mod rabbit hole goes. You be surprise how many ppl mod. Its not 1 or 2 not even a thousand.....its bigger than we think. Your telling yoshi-p to call how many ppl to unsub..... you literally are creatively bankrupt if you think that the smartest thing to do.
It is not.....

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

They know perfectly well that the game and many of its players are way past very deviant behaviour and SE has been capitalizing on it for years now. They are trying to avoid a scandal and legal actions against them for things that could basically shut the game down and hurt SE badly.
A whole part of the game is deeply disgusting and disturbing, SE knows it, they don't mind as long as it brings money and doesn't go overly public.

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Bro if I could Hi-five you I would. Like this right here ^ you get a like from me for this. Money Money MONEY is the reason why. Mods = Subs = MONEY SE knows that.

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Originally Posted by DivineP

Completely agree with this.

This mod has been in circulation for what 3 years? It shares mods that ppl use to run around with massive breasts, arse and genitalia? What is this game rated again?

I bet many dread to think.. but you've most likely used this mod with a MINOR. That is the sad truth.

Oops..

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Yeah lol, a game that's rated for kids 13+ having mods showing adult content that could make Hugh Hefner blush is probably not ideal.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Yeah lol, a game that's rated for kids 13+ having mods showing adult content that could make Hugh Hefner blush is probably not ideal.

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What parent is allowing their 13-year-old kid to run any unvetted mod for a video game? Probably the same parent that thought Cyperpunk 2077 or Grand Theft Auto V was appropriate for a 13 year old.

The United States is particularly inept with ESRB ratings. Even the European and Asian ratings for FFXIV start at 15+.

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Originally Posted by Shinku_Tachi

players need to be judicious and exercise a bit of common sense when it comes to mod usage

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they are not thinking with their head I fear, or we wouldn't be here

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Originally Posted by ShiyuuHQ

Xenos interview with Mare Dev is 100% clear there are freaks out there.

I can't wait for the day to come, and I hope I'm wrong.

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You aren't wrong. You really think the freaks would let slip away their sacred g0.0ner paradise parade? They would be better off touching grass for now, and the community to avoid whatever replacement mods are released atm. Or SE is forced to make modding harder - hurray, even less content.

I hoped in the past SE would go the way of WoW, and create a guideline for mods - at least from ethical standpoint, the user will still be responsible for what they use.
But once you give the community some rules, I feel they are more likely to respect them, than something vague they cant fully grasp.

Example of what Blizzard did once

https://i.imgur.com/Jldmpi8.png

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

The United States is particularly inept with ESRB ratings. Even the European and Asian ratings for FFXIV start at 15+.

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You know what else the United States is bad with? Their players not heeding the wishes of the creator of the game and minding propriety, betraying the social contract put forward by the devs.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

they are not thinking with their head I fear, or we wouldn't be here



You aren't wrong. You really think the freaks would let slip away their sacred g0.0ner paradise parade? They would be better off touching grass for now, and the community to avoid whatever replacement mods are released atm. Or SE is forced to make modding harder - hurray, even less content.

I hoped in the past SE would go the way of WoW, and create a guideline for mods - at least from ethical standpoint, the user will still be responsible for what they use.
But once you give the community some rules, I feel they are more likely to respect them, than something vague they cant fully grasp.

Example of what Blizzard did once

https://i.imgur.com/Jldmpi8.png

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I'm an advocate of an accelerationist stance:

I want modding to get so bad that Squeenix is forced to implement a kernel-level anti-cheat and completely obliterate any and all mods.

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Originally Posted by Crafoutis

I'm an advocate of an accelerationist stance:

I want modding to get so bad that Squeenix is forced to implement a kernel-level anti-cheat and completely obliterate any and all mods.

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After they tried to invent their own cryptographic methods for blacklist, and general JP stoneage in IT security, I rather not let them make spyware. xD But they can make it hard to mod and waste a lot of peoples time. Which would make modding like work. And then we are in a loss loss situation.

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

After they tried to invent their own cryptographic methods for blacklist, and general JP stoneage in IT security, I rather not let them make spyware. xD But they can make it hard to mod and waste a lot of peoples time. Which would make modding like work. And then we are in a loss loss situation.

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If people don't want that then we'd better hope the community wisens up and stops modding and sharing.

The rule was "Keep it to yourself."

That was still too hard for people to follow and it was overwhelmingly because of porn or thirst-traps.

I say good riddance and let them all leave, this space, like any space, is only made better by their absence.

I've read it, watched a video dissecting it, then read it again. Honestly, we took it too far, dial it back. Yoshi P is a rockstar from my POV, for the way he handled and explained it. I agree.

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Originally Posted by Crafoutis

You know what else the United States is bad with? Their players not heeding the wishes of the creator of the game and minding propriety, betraying the social contract put forward by the devs.

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https://i.imgur.com/ec7ixPF.gif

Yup, no argument from me on that. Like others have said, modders did it to themselves.

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Originally Posted by Crafoutis

I say good riddance and let them all leave, this space, like any space, is only made better by their absence.

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good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.

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In no way in hell all the users of Mare will stop playing. The vast majority won't and will continue only in the client side, like before. It's even certain that the "270k" have many that don't truly used Mare.

And I'm quite amused by all those who say "it's all about money".
So you mean that a company is running a game whose economy is based on : a subscription and a virtual store will act when one of those two sources of is endangered by mods ? They aren't running a charity ?

*surprise pikachu face*

You also all know, I'm sure, that in many countries, using mods to use paid, and therefore licensed virtual content is simply theft ?

It's a great statement from Yoshida that is telling basically : what is the fight club that everybody is talking about ? There should not be a fight club, *wink wink wink*, as it should be.

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Originally Posted by Zackneifein

In no way in hell all the users of Mare will stop playing. The vast majority won't and will continue only in the client side, like before. It's even certain that the "270k" have many that don't truly used Mare.

And I'm quite amused by all those who say "it's all about money".
So you mean that a company is running a game whose economy is based on : a subscription and a virtual store will act when one of those two sources of is endangered by mods ? They aren't running a charity ?



*surprise pikachu face*

You also all know, I'm sure, that in many countries, using mods to use paid, and therefore licensed virtual content is simply theft ?

It's a great statement from Yoshida that is telling basically : what is the fight club that everybody is talking about ? There should not be a fight club, *wink wink wink*, as it should be.

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more than 270k was the figure the plug in dev gave in the interview then note it was just one plug in we don't know how many people use other stuffs.

The person i was replying to wanted all of those people off the game which is a poor take.

I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

they're already bleeding subs and they are acting hungry because of it.

You better believe to them it is all about money share holders don't care about laws they don't care about how you feel what is right what is wrong, that we had a discussion of what they should do or shouldn't all they care about and in extension square is; are profits this week, better than last week's? If they are down the share holders are mad and square is not happy with that. It's why they C&D'd mare and why they came out with this weak "we understand and won't chase you over modding letter" after the fact, because yes Balmung is easier to get into those people that spent the at least the last 2 years? (Idk about plug ins well) sharing their charas are not as interested in RP w/o being able to do so charas to one another and in the end Square allowed this to grow to that point to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

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Do you realize how impossible it is ? It's extremely hard to prove the use of Mare. It would require a lot of time, investigations and peoples (and so money) to even slightly have an impact. And when advertising in Limsa would become too dangerous, they would simply rely on forums & discords. Removing Mare solve the problem entirely.

And you don't take into consideration two things that is said, and that is of implacable logic :
- Like it or not, allowing other players to see mog station stuff or difficult content gear is breaking the game mechanics and economy, why pay something you can have for free ? Why bother doing hard-content in a game where stats barely matter and glamour is all there is at the end ? What about those who already paid for this content ?
- You didn't even take into consideration what he said about other countries legislation going more and more strict. The day FFXIV is banned from a country or become 18+ killing it effectively, they will lose much more money and potential money that closing Mare will ever do. And players from those countires will only have their eyes to cry. If he talked about it, it's more that likely the legal departement of Square Enix warned them that it was a possibility to prevent at all cost.

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

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Even 30k is too much. Those who will truly leave are far fewer than that. Most that will want to continue will simply do what was done before Mare existed : take more time to set up, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

good riddence to more than 270k players that's more than 3 million usd square stands to lose
you may be willing to pay 25+ a month to get rid of the add on users but I am sure a lot of us less needlessly spiteful players are not.
14 is not even worth 15 usd a month at this point, an anti cheat would likely cause performance issues awful take.

this guy is a prime example of why viera hats were a mistake.

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Lmao, bro went full "Won't someone think of the multibillion yen company!"

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

more than 270k was the figure the plug in dev gave in the interview then note it was just one plug in we don't know how many people use other stuffs.

The person i was replying to wanted all of those people off the game which is a poor take.

I'm gonna keep saying it; a better take and action on square's part would have been to give personal accountability to people that were belligerent TOS breakers like the guy that got banned for using ACT on stream back in 2019 you don't see people using it anymore but they still claim to use it same thing for the ERP club mare advertisements in shout chat banning these people or at least punishing them would have cut down on a lot of nonsense and it would have padded them from the fallout of just axing the plug in out of the blue.

Yeah maybe not the full 270k will leave but square doesn't want even 30k it's a lot of money to lose, they just got done begging us to buy cash shop items or sub costs would be considered for increase while putting a sale on the mog station. lol

they're already bleeding subs and they are acting hungry because of it.

You better believe to them it is all about money share holders don't care about laws they don't care about how you feel what is right what is wrong, that we had a discussion of what they should do or shouldn't all they care about and in extension square is; are profits this week, better than last week's? If they are down the share holders are mad and square is not happy with that. It's why they C&D'd mare and why they came out with this weak "we understand and won't chase you over modding letter" after the fact, because yes Balmung is easier to get into those people that spent the at least the last 2 years? (Idk about plug ins well) sharing their charas are not as interested in RP w/o being able to do so charas to one another and in the end Square allowed this to grow to that point to begin with.

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30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

But go off, tell us more of what you know~!

If playing WoW for years taught me anything it is it takes a lot to fully kill something like this and money can be easily recovered with highly desirable shop additions. I imagine you could probably recoup the loss from anyone who unsubscribed over Mare by adding highly wanted NPC outfits/hairstyles like Yotsuyu/Gaius/Zenos and just having more shop wide sales in general.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

But go off, tell us more of what you know~!

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bro you making about 450k USD a month or 5.4 Million USD a yea( this is for the standard)? I didn't think so. even then @ 9.99 USD that about 300 USD a month. or 3.5 million USD. Thats a no frills account no extra retainers, no mogstore shopping. thats not a laughable number either. thats a chunk of money if 30k players up and left.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

bro you making about 450k USD a month or 5.4 Million USD a yea( this is for the standard)? I didn't think so. even then @ 9.99 USD that about 300 USD a month. or 3.5 million USD. Thats a no frills account no extra retainers, no mogstore shopping. thats not a laughable number either. thats a chunk of money if 30k players up and left.

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That is incorrect lmao

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

30k a month is less than one persons yearly paycheck. They can stand to lose that. Japanese game devs would be paid enough yen to translate to 50-80k USD a year.

But go off, tell us more of what you know~!

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Tbth with you IK nothing about the logistics but I do know they do not want to lose subscribers 270k players were using the plug in that's paying square at least 2.9 million if just a small fraction of that broke off because of lack of plugs square would hate that, personally I want square to do well and I want the game to be healthy it is my favorite mmo after all.

I'd also like to point out that the viera that was talking silly removed his hat, those hats were still a mistake you're on fraud watch pal.

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

Tbth with you IK nothing about the logistics but I do know they do not want to lose subscribers 270k players were using the plug in that's paying square at least 2.9 million if just a small fraction of that broke off because of lack of plugs square would hate that, personally I want square to do well and I want the game to be healthy it is my favorite mmo after all.

I'd also like to point out that the viera that was talking silly removed his hat, those hats were still a mistake you're on fraud watch pal.

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Did all 270k actively use it, though?
Or did part of them have left the game already at some point in the past anyway, and some other part set it up and maybe used it once and then forgot about it?
That's a genuine question, because I don't know. I know that your point goes off from the other person saying they'd like see all those player gone, but still, if we're trying to be realistic, is the total count of players that registered for it truly representative of how many people used it on a day-to-day basis?

That said, I feel like people still vastly overstimate how many people will geniunely leave the game for good over Mare being taken down, considering modding as a whole didn't go anywhere, and also considering a lot of people actually do understand that using plug-ins is a "privelege" and that they're not owed it.
There's also a chance that is much higher than zero that some players will take a break and then come back. We've seen plenty of times even on forum how people say "I'm leaving the game", but then keep posting on here, meaning they didn't, in fact, leave (because you need an active subscription and to log in at least once in last couple of weeks. I know because I was offline for about a month once due to health issues, and then when I tried to post, the forum knocked me off with a "uhhmm sorry looks like you weren't online in the game lately, try again later" message).

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

That is incorrect lmao

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by all means show your math then.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Did all 270k actively use it, though?
Or did part of them have left the game already at some point in the past anyway, and some other part set it up and maybe used it once and then forgot about it?
That's a genuine question, because I don't know. I know that your point goes off from the other person saying they'd like see all those player gone, but still, if we're trying to be realistic, is the total count of players that registered for it truly representative of how many people used it on a day-to-day basis?

That said, I feel like people still vastly overstimate how many people will geniunely leave the game for good over Mare being taken down, considering modding as a whole didn't go anywhere, and also considering a lot of people actually do understand that using plug-ins is a "privelege" and that they're not owed it.
There's also a chance that is much higher than zero that some players will take a break and then come back. We've seen plenty of times even on forum how people say "I'm leaving the game", but then keep posting on here, meaning they didn't, in fact, leave (because you need an active subscription and to log in at least once in last couple of weeks. I know because I was offline for about a month once due to health issues, and then when I tried to post, the forum knocked me off with a "uhhmm sorry looks like you weren't online in the game lately, try again later" message).

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wouldn't be able to tell who was active on the thing all I can give is the dev's statement that there were 270k users he was using an offset of a main plug that modders use, from my understanding so it is likely more people than just 270k using add ons o the game. xD

Again the person I was replying to was very see the world burn about it which is again pretty stupid of a take.

mods are against TOS but square has done sweet FA to stop them from doing it. if Plug ins was an issue it should have been nipped at the bud
but square ignored it, not a smart moves and even getting rid of them wouldn't be smart because it is open that square takes note of mods that add QOL to the game banning the original mod creators... speech bubbles it was a mod, the improvements made to gpose mode... mods among many other things.

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by all means show your math then.

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You do not have any force capable of obligating me do humor you. You have google. Use it.

Or don't.

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wouldn't be able to tell who was active on the thing all I can give is the dev's statement that there were 270k users he was using an offset of a main plug that modders use, from my understanding so it is likely more people than just 270k using add ons o the game. xD

Again the person I was replying to was very see the world burn about it which is again pretty stupid of a take.

mods are against TOS but square has done sweet FA to stop them from doing it. if Plug ins was an issue it should have been nipped at the bud
but square ignored it, not a smart moves and even getting rid of them wouldn't be smart because it is open that square takes note of mods that add QOL to the game banning the original mod creators... speech bubbles it was a mod, the improvements made to gpose mode... mods among many other things.

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in before you gonna spout any more nonsense numbers

all data from the dev itself:

270k registered users
130k were active in the last 30 days
daily average between 10k to 25k
all time high 35k


just wondering are you gonna tell us that FF14 has 40 Million active players next? lol

As ever fight club rules and we wouldn't have an issue, shame so many people have no self control and wanna plaster their modded tarts all over social media :))

What's funny is I've noticed on my server last night, a Saturday, that the players just bebopping around Limsa are more commonly wearing skimpy gear, using what's available in game. Those 2B pants have returned as the game's most popular glam and people are doing suggestive things with emotes. RP club shouts were rolling faster than usual and the crowd was enormous in the plaza.

There is no gooner exodus unsubbed. They got creative and went back to business as usual. Game's gonna be fine.

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I can't say for everyone but I'll be honest - as someone who's interest in RP, modding taking such a big prevalence in venues is what actually turned me off of it in the past years, because nearly every event ad I've seen went with a silent expectation that you'll join the mare syncshell.

FF14 might be not perfect when it comes to glamour and customization, but there're plenty of options even with that in mind, and I wasn't interested in installing 3rd party tools to see other people characters' look like they're not even from FF14. That, plus it felt like people had put more attention into flashing their fancy mods than into actual interactions with other people.

If mare being gone means that RP stage will turn back to vanilla at least in some capacity, I'll take it as a win and probably will dip into role-playing again.

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Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost

You do not have any force capable of obligating me do humor you. You have google. Use it.

Or don't.

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"Yes, I'm right. No, I won't explain why."
The modern audience in a nutshell, lol.

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Originally Posted by Asgon

in before you gonna spout any more nonsense numbers

all data from the dev itself:

270k registered users
130k were active in the last 30 days
daily average between 10k to 25k
all time high 35k


just wondering are you gonna tell us that FF14 has 40 Million active players next? lol

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You said 40 million active players not me.

Dev said 270k users so lets say of the 130k active if just 20k of the 130k left and we're lowballing it Square lost 300k in user subscriptions they do not want to lose any money.

Will say it without numbers so you can understand. Plug in users are part of XIV community quite a few in fact, Square let them become large as they are. If some of that large part leaves the game because the exp is watered down for them square is not a happy camper. It's why we got that letter from the producer after the fact.

Me saying the greedy corporate game company doesn't want to lose money being nonsense to you is quite entertaining.

but guess you got me with the strawman at the end, congratulations little lady. very well done.