Congratulations on the shutting down Crystal DC

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Originally Posted by Panie

Square Enix stock has barely had a dent. If all of them leaving REALLY left such a big impact. We would see Roblox level of stocks tanking. This is nothing, the SE Holdings stock closed out at -0.32%, while it's been on an upward trend... from about $490 a share to 475. Crazy numbers that!

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You'll prob have to wait a month for subs to not renew if anything.

You know, publicly advertising the use of Mare using official FFXIV tags on social media, plastering it all over your adventurer plates and PF, talking about it in game in say and shout chat as well as creating linkshells for it, etc. were probably pretty big contributing factors to it being taken down. Surely coming to the forums and essentially telling on yourself by complaining about it being taken down won't have any negative repercussions, right?

Y'all really have zero thoughts in your head, huh? My guess is brainrot from all the goonslop, but by all means, please carry on.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

People in Crystal DC don't do content.
Staying permanently afk in Uldah sharing "mare codes" isn't helping the community who does content on daily basis.

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no but it's paying for the servers to stay online

I see that you’re reading this thread. An illegal third-party tool named Dalamud is being used to disseminate Account IDs and have them accessible by other illegal third-party tools. Where can I report this security vulnerability? If you’re already aware of the issue, can you escalate this with your manager via one of the many pre-existing support tickets?

Modders forgot the First Rule of Mod Club.

Fly too close the sun, overreach what's allowed, get vocal & public about it, and here we are.

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Originally Posted by Panie

Square Enix stock has barely had a dent. If all of them leaving REALLY left such a big impact. We would see Roblox level of stocks tanking. This is nothing, the SE Holdings stock closed out at -0.32%, while it's been on an upward trend... from about $490 a share to 475. Crazy numbers that!

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thats not how it works jfc...

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

I see that you’re reading this thread. An illegal third-party tool named Dalamud is being used to disseminate Account IDs and have them accessible by other illegal third-party tools. Where can I report this security vulnerability? If you’re already aware of the issue, can you escalate this with your manager via one of the many pre-existing support tickets?

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I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

I see that you’re reading this thread. An illegal third-party tool named Dalamud is being used to disseminate Account IDs and have them accessible by other illegal third-party tools. Where can I report this security vulnerability? If you’re already aware of the issue, can you escalate this with your manager via one of the many pre-existing support tickets?

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It isn't though? And don't nuke Linux support just because people use it for mods.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

I see that you’re reading this thread. An illegal third-party tool named Dalamud is being used to disseminate Account IDs and have them accessible by other illegal third-party tools. Where can I report this security vulnerability? If you’re already aware of the issue, can you escalate this with your manager via one of the many pre-existing support tickets?

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w rage bait

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Popular modding site gets C&D'd and silksong gets a release date, coincidence? Was this a sacrifice? I think the answer to one of these two questions is yes.

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And all that before GTA VI...

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Originally Posted by Crafoutis

Idlers turn me off to an MMO. ERPers are idlers.

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You forgot the part that this game is an MMO(RPG), ERP is a form of RP whether you like it or not. It's not my cup of tea and it never bothered me, I just let them be and be on my way.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

People in Crystal DC don't do content.
Staying permanently afk in Uldah sharing "mare codes" isn't helping the community who does content on daily basis.

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Has anyone performed a wellness check on the Crystal DC yet?

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

Has anyone performed a wellness check on the Crystal DC yet?

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I mean they had a legit ass candlelight vigil on Balmung yesterday so who knows.

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Originally Posted by Its_Kazzy_D

I mean they had a legit ass candlelight vigil on Balmung yesterday so who knows.

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https://gifdb.com/images/high/shores...0qhsrn3u2a.gif

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

Has anyone performed a wellness check on the Crystal DC yet?

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No changes in queues and whatnot, people are still here and doing content.

Seriously.

It's like seeing the meme about the man using a stick on his own bike wheel and complaining about falling.

If the Mare users had been able to be discreet about using it instead of making its publicity on every forum and even in-game - and so respect the "if you don't talk about it, we won't do anything about it" rule that has always been the rule with mods in FFXIV, maybe it would never have happened.

And also maybe if they weren't using assets & music from other games / media that would ultimately force SE to act to prevent a legal issue from other companies against them but that is another discussion.

You have it all wrong, op. Now that people I've never met and never went out of my way to see can't goon, plap, or bust a thick nut, this game is automatically salvaged. Every word out of wuk lamat's immaculately voiced mouth is like nectar from the gods, crafted by the finest penmanship. Imagine the gif of the man writing literal fire. That's what Dawntrail writing is, now that strangers i had to go out of my way to be affected by are no longer able to goon. Praise be to yevon. Our content used to feel one and done, and a lot of it felt overtuned or notoriously gated behind joining some guy's discord server, but now that some catboy somewhere can't visually depict himself bouncing on a horse dong, the content is perfect. It's accessible, with multiple difficulties to appease all types. It's rewarding and fun and can't be griefed by one guy determined to waste everyone's time. The jobs, which, prior to gooner 9/11 (8/21, a day that will live in the opposite of infamy), all felt like clones of each other, now feel unique. There's genuine synergy involved and I feel good playing even the simple content because the job gameplay is just that engaging.

In short, now that gooners are temporarily inconvenienced, it's safe to walk the streets and the game is saved. No content? What do you mean? Have you collected every piece of trash in limsa? Have you painted with the colors of the wind? There's so much to do. That's why this game gains players over time, obviously.

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

Has anyone performed a wellness check on the Crystal DC yet?

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The event ship is a literal ghost town on Balmung now, which is impressive, as before there were so many people there it was dropping by FPS to almost 30.
Other than that, and constant complaints in shout, not much has changed at all... which was to be expected, really.

I doubt even a fraction of the people who said they're quitting actually will, be it because they were lying, or sunk cost fallacy. lol

Thank you Yoshida-sama for stopping the illegal third-party modifications to the perfect game of Final Fantasy XIV: DAWNTRAIL played by the greatest streamer of all time Asmongold! Now I will be able to play through the exceptional Main Story Quest of Final Fantasy XIV: DAWNTRAIL featuring the legendary, Pulitzer prize winning character Wuk Lamat and learn about papa and peace! We like this, you like this, this is peak Final Fantasy XIV: DAWNTRAIL (still the greatest MMORPG ever, aren't you glad that you're not playing World of Warcraft AKA Other Game???)

No goon, plap, sex, coom. Only the GreatestTM GameTM EverTM featuring the GreatestTM CharacterTM Wuk Lamat. I definitely like this!

Hello Ace,
DYLM????

v/r,
Nanashi Shinku
Left Guardian Dragon of Alter

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Originally Posted by LotteYanson

Maybe if they add content then people could actually do it. :confused:
Or do you think running forked tower 100 times for a bad title is actually content?

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Let's be honest, i've seen a bunch of people and i mean A BUNCH, not doing anything beside mare stuff, they don't do content at all, sometimes not even leveling or doing MSQ, they have only one glam in game cause they don't care about vanilla and just cared about mare.

At least now they will stop spamming my whispers about it

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Originally Posted by Solowing

If your game survives only on 3rd party mods, then it should shut down

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What a ridiculous statement. And people actually upvoted you for this?

How many Skyrim editions were sold by Bethesda on the basis of its mod support?

Even Starfield sells the occasional copy just on the basis of its excellent Star Wars mod.

I'm not going to take sides on this 3rd party mod situation, because frankly, I don't care, and I've mostly moved onto other games anyway. To be fair, the mod users had gotten way to comfortable talking about them in open public spaces and it was eventually bound to happen, not to mention all the profiteering from the modders themselves. They kind of forced the company's response.

But make no mistake, mods have always extended a game's life, they've by and large been good for any game. Get your facts straight.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

What a ridiculous statement. And people actually upvoted you for this?

How many Skyrim editions were sold by Bethesda on the basis of its mod support?

Even Starfield sells the occasional copy just on the basis of its excellent Star Wars mod.

I'm not going to take sides on this 3rd party mod situation, because frankly, I don't care, and I've mostly moved onto other games anyway. To be fair, the mod users had gotten way to comfortable talking about them in open public spaces and it was eventually bound to happen, not to mention all the profiteering from the modders themselves. They kind of forced the company's response.

But make no mistake, mods have always extended a game's life, they've by and large been good for any game. Get your facts straight.

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well they both aren't the same game but also Japan have legal laws against modding in general so I think it moved forward for two reason.

1. people became to cocky and paid the prices.


2. well legit the ERP animation made

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

well they both aren't the same game but also Japan have legal laws against modding in general so I think it moved forward for two reason.

1. people became to cocky and paid the prices.


2. well legit the ERP animation made

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Yes, no argument here. Don't know what the laws in Japan are, I'll take your word for it.

I was more stressing the idea that a game that can't survive without a 3rd party tool somehow should die as being silly.

If that were the case, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines wouldn't be the classic it is today, if not for the Unofficial Patch. Same for Knights of the Old Republic 2. Skyrim wouldn't have been released with multiple editions without it's heavy mod support. And even GTA V and FiveM, the entire RP community in that. There's one in Red Dead Online as well. Conan Exiles.

There are many many examples of games that survived, just from the passion of hardworking modders.

With regard to 14, it is what it is. They're against ToS, they were in that grey are of "don't talk about them", players didn't listen, forced SE's hand. It's possible the new UK laws (EU next year as it seems also), had a hand in it as well.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

Yes, no argument here. Don't know what the laws in Japan are, I'll take your word for it.

I was more stressing the idea that a game that can't survive without a 3rd party tool somehow should die as being silly.

If that were the case, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines wouldn't be the classic it is today, if not for the Unofficial Patch. Same for Knights of the Old Republic 2. Skyrim wouldn't have been released with multiple editions without it's heavy mod support. And even GTA V and FiveM, the entire RP community in that. There's one in Red Dead Online as well. Conan Exiles.

There are many many examples of games that survived, just from the passion of hardworking modders.

With regard to 14, it is what it is. They're against ToS, they were in that grey are of "don't talk about them", players didn't listen, forced SE's hand. It's possible the new UK laws (EU next year as it seems also), had a hand in it as well.

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Those games don't have it explicitly spelled out that it is AGAINST THE TOS TO MOD.
Just because other games with online components allow it doesn't mean all do. Everyone who signed up for this game agreed to the TOS regardless of if they read them are not, and at some point everyone in game has been told NEVER TALK ABOUT MODDING.

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

Those games don't have it explicitly spelled out that it is AGAINST THE TOS TO MOD.
Just because other games with online components allow it doesn't mean all do. Everyone who signed up for this game agreed to the TOS regardless of if they read them are not, and at some point everyone in game has been told NEVER TALK ABOUT MODDING.

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Not the point I was making. Please, reading comprehension.

I didn't say anything about the mods being in favour of ToS or not, I even specified that SE merely enforced their ToS.

I'm arguing against making bold faced silly statements like if a game can't survive without 3rd party plugins, it deserves to die. That's patently false, and it's been proven false time and again.

Please don't respond to arguments I didn't make.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

What a ridiculous statement. And people actually upvoted you for this?

How many Skyrim editions were sold by Bethesda on the basis of its mod support?

Even Starfield sells the occasional copy just on the basis of its excellent Star Wars mod.

I'm not going to take sides on this 3rd party mod situation, because frankly, I don't care, and I've mostly moved onto other games anyway. To be fair, the mod users had gotten way to comfortable talking about them in open public spaces and it was eventually bound to happen, not to mention all the profiteering from the modders themselves. They kind of forced the company's response.

But make no mistake, mods have always extended a game's life, they've by and large been good for any game. Get your facts straight.

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You are really comparing Bethesda games and FFXIV ? Bethesda games are made for the modding community, always had been and always will be. I'm even convinced that it's in Bethesda DNA to have games that is a fantastic playground full of hole to be clogged by modders.

They even allow project like Skyblivion to exist, something not a lot of game companies would allow to. Or don't caring about the use of assets that are clearly coming from other companies / games / media.

CB3 has always been clear about what they think of mods, Yoshi-P telling again and again "don't use them, don't make them". Japanese law itself is against the existence of mods. Bethesda don't care about how and why you play Skyrim and what you do with it, it's not the case of CB3 and it's their right to do so, even more in a multiplayer game with part of its economy working around thing like mount, glamour and music, that are totally irrevelant for people using mods massively.

Being a multiplayer game had many other problems on the table and to be clear with you : I have NEVER been okay with the fact that my character is seen differently - sometime, even if it's a extreme minority, with adult mods - by other players using mods for example.

The biggest mod that I know of that even got official recognition from Valve (creators of Half Life series) is Black Mesa that started as a mod to remake Half Life 1. Valve even let them sell it on Steam and it's always being updated a decade later after the initial public release, it's really neat. SE would get so much good will if they reached out to mod authors and allowed them to make glams (sfw obviously) that are high quality and more and release them into the game officially like Valve did for the Black Mesa mod team.

No disrespect, but every time I see Mare I think Legend of Heroes Trails through Daybreak. :c She was fun.

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Originally Posted by Zackneifein

You are really comparing Bethesda games and FFXIV ? Bethesda games are made for the modding community, always had been and always will be. I'm even convinced that it's in Bethesda DNA to have games that is a fantastic playground full of hole to be clogged by modders..

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I'm not comparing anything. I'm making a statement. Mods have always extended the lifespan of a video game, and calling for the death of a game, if some players use modding to improve their experience of it, is a ludicrous statement. If all games lived and died on just the state they're in when developers release them, we'd have alot fewer games.

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Originally Posted by Zackneifein

CB3 has always been clear about what they think of mods, Yoshi-P telling again and again "don't use them, don't make them".

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I'm aware. Where did I argue otherwise?

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Originally Posted by Zackneifein

Japanese law itself is against the existence of mods.

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As I said earlier, I don't know the laws in Japan, I'm not Japanese, I'll take people's word for it, if it's true, it's true. Again, what's your point?

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Originally Posted by Zackneifein

it's not the case of CB3 and it's their right to do so, even more in a multiplayer game with part of its economy working around thing like mount, glamour and music, that are totally irrevelant for people using mods massively.

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Yes, it's their right, and they excercised by killing the mod in question. Where did I say otherwise?

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Originally Posted by Zackneifein

Being a multiplayer game had many other problems on the table and to be clear with you : I have NEVER been okay with the fact that my character is seen differently - sometime, even if it's a extreme minority, with adult mods - by other players using mods for example.

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This is entirely a you problem. Do you really believe I care if someone on the other end of their screen makes me look like a chicken? It doesn't impact me at all, I couldn't care less.

Nobody's forcing anyone to use mods. And the players that do, do so at their own risk.

If you want to argue that people are behaving a bit crazy by downvoting the game on Steam for a mod being shut down, yes I agree, they are. But this statement "If your game survives only on 3rd party mods, then it should shut down" is as insane as the players who're a trying to review bomb the game on Steam.

It's alright for some players to make insane statements, but not other players?

And let's be clear, selective banning is the real problem. It's either all ok, or none of it is. Half measures just increase player frustration.

Funny that this thread is still up while others got deleted. The forum mods are a bit confusing to me. If they don’t respect constructive feedback
about why the shutdown of Mare was a good thing, then I won’t bother giving any anymore. To me it just feels like we’re all wasting our time
trying to speak here in this forum. So I’m done. Bye.

peace out /wave

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The biggest mod that I know of that even got official recognition from Valve (creators of Half Life series) is Black Mesa that started as a mod to remake Half Life 1. Valve even let them sell it on Steam and it's always being updated a decade later after the initial public release, it's really neat. SE would get so much good will if they reached out to mod authors and allowed them to make glams (sfw obviously) that are high quality and more and release them into the game officially like Valve did for the Black Mesa mod team.

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I don't disagree with this, but for whatever reason SE wants to keep full artistic control over the content of the game.

The closest we currently get is the hair and furnishing design contests, where winners do get their items added to the game, usually about a year after winning.

Stealth nerfed my favorite OOBs as well as taking down the moon, im angy. Can't even make a alt on my server due to "congestion" at 12AM on a sunday. The server is DEAD AND I CANT MAKE A CHARACTER WHAT ARE THEY DOIING

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Maybe people wouldn't idle so much or "make up their own fun" with mods if there was anything to do, especially for casuals.

And before you say it, no, I don't use mods but I was acutely aware of just how many people on Dynamis DID use them given the amount of times Mare would show up on adverts and plates, or how this data center in general was turning into "Crystal 2.0" with the amount of venues that were popping up due to all the unclaimed housing, and you can bet a lot of it was "18+". It wasn't my thing though, and they never bothered me, so I left it be.

Personally I spend a lot of time AFK myself on account of barely having anything to do anymore, but I spend said idling in the GC barracks and not Limsa or a venue because I don't RP in general and I don't care about showing off glams/emotes/minions or whatever is that makes Limsa the hotspot for so many people. I could even dress up my Squadron half-naked with in-game items if I really felt like I needed eye candy.

Driving out all the Mare users or ERPers isn't going to suddenly make my world any more lively or improve queue times. The data center most well-known for being dead just looks even more grave if all the PF venue spam disappears now, and I'm tired of seeing people not actually from Dynamis trying to paint the dropping of player numbers for ANY reason as a "good thing" because they think they're own DC is "too full to fall" and shock of shocks, I never ever see those same players volunteering to come over to improve the status of Dynamis' social scene, instead suggesting I travel to make THEIR data center and queue times better, or they bitch and moan that I shouldn't travel at all because "muh congestion".

Not to say some of the gooners of FF14 don't act in a self-absorbed and exclusionary fashion at times, given how these Mare codes worked and how it impacted non-mod users, but I'm not going to pretend like the anti-Mare crowd is somehow doing me a solid and doesn't act contemptible in its own right. If anything I've come to view SFW RPers poorly after all this, because the prudish spitefulness on full display hasn't been a great look in all the topics where they pop up. (And here I thought only Aether and Primal had too many toxic people for its own good, turns out Crystal is equally bad but for a different reason.)

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insert soyjack face, i been waiting for aidorogue's rant on dynamis again ngl.

jokes aside, it'll take more than this for crystal to die. You underestimate the resilience of the folks living there.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Lol, I can't help it, my time on Dynamis has given me a much more skewed view of the game than it would be for folks on Aether/Prima/Crystal, and it remains a sore spot because everything people claim will "totally help us" ends up hurting us instead, and I foolishly continue to play a single-player game masquerading as an MMO.

Hell, outside of one other person (Rinoa_353), I don't even know anyone else from Dynamis who actively posts on the official forums, lol.

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I feel ya. I was on Seraph for a minute (moved there at Dawntrail launch) and it was booming. Got a house and everything, was having a lot of fun. Took a little hiatus, came back, and it was just dead. So I moved again, gave up the house I had and everything. I've been playing this game since 1.0; and since 2.0's launch till now, I've never seen anything like it (and I've been around on 14). It's so bad, I encourage new players to go to Aether/Primal/Crystal when they're asking where they should go, because I don't want to encourage them to go to a place that gives them the impression it's a dead or dying game.

World Visit is one thing; but, now that they've let the genie out the bottle with Data Center Travel, I have no idea how SE can fix the mess that they got themselves in. They really need to figure this one out though, because the state of Dynamis is completely unacceptable.

Crystal is doing just fine so far. They are a lot of different types of players on Crystal.

I see no change in Crystal, where I am based. Seems like an overly melodramatic thread title.

y'all cant even keep quiet about clones and forks, your toys deserved to be taken away at this point... ( -_-)