Potential Housing Crisis Fix (Includes ability for permanent Housing (Sm, Med, Lrg)

as of my last check 2 larges and 1 medium available on Behemoth.

Large 1 Bids: 121
Large 2 Bids: 199
Medium Bids: 74

Thats 394 bids for 3 plots this is ridiculous, you can't tell or expect us to have to move just to get a house it's not fair I pay my subscription like anyone else, I have been playing XIV since around 6/21/13 as that is the oldest email I have left in my old inboxes that are still enabled. it's 2025 Housing plots should not have a shortage. XIV devs get anywhere from APROX $120 million USD to $200 Million USD a year for developing and keeping the game updated. It's time some of that budget went to actually rewriting core code like housing.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Thats 394 bids for 3 plots this is ridiculous

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Now on Behemoth it's at:

Large 1 Bids: 127
Large 2 Bids: 218
Medium Bids: 82


That's 427 bids for 3 plots and still 10 hours to go until results period.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

That's 427 bids for 3 plots and still 10 hours to go until results period.

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Now on Behemoth it's at:

Large 1 Bids: 128
Large 2 Bids: 233
Medium Bids: 83


That's 444 bids for 3 plots and still 24 minutes till results.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Now on Behemoth it's at:

Large 1 Bids: 128
Large 2 Bids: 233
Medium Bids: 83


That's 444 bids for 3 plots and still 24 minutes till results.

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And another lost bid cycle. :(

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

And another lost bid cycle. :(

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Same for me on Mateus. the house i bid on suddenly had over 160 bidders. :<

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

And another lost bid cycle. :(

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That's really unfortunate :(


Have you considered creating or moving an alt to Dynamis to get a plot there? If you go to one of the newest worlds like Golem, Kraken and such, there are medium plots you can grab and I think there may be a few mansion plots too. It took my main 7 years to get her plot in Exodus but I had sent my main alt to Seraph when it first went live over two and a half years ago now to get a zero bid mansion. This made my wait for my main (won a year and a half after alt in Seraph) far more bearable as I was able to enjoy housing to the fullest on my alt and I always invited friends over even from Exodus. I know your frustration and hope you win a plot for your main soon but please consider having an alt utilize the plentiful housing in Dynamis in the meantime. SE needs to allow us to have access to all of our plot regardless of the world they are in since they are all linked to our account.

If they gave you perma housing people like me would drop subs in these 3 month down times and square would have to work for the subs ;P

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

And another lost bid cycle. :(

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So i guess you didnt want a small?

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

That's really unfortunate :(
Have you considered creating or moving an alt to Dynamis to get a plot there? If you go to one of the newest worlds like Golem, Kraken and such, there are medium plots you can grab and I think there may be a few mansion plots too. It took my main 7 years to get her plot in Exodus but I had sent my main alt to Seraph when it first went live over two and a half years ago now to get a zero bid mansion. This made my wait for my main (won a year and a half after alt in Seraph) far more bearable as I was able to enjoy housing to the fullest on my alt and I always invited friends over even from Exodus. I know your frustration and hope you win a plot for your main soon but please consider having an alt utilize the plentiful housing in Dynamis in the meantime. SE needs to allow us to have access to all of our plot regardless of the world they are in since they are all linked to our account.

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to quote myself previously, this is ridiculous, you can't tell or expect us to have to move just to get a house it's not fair I pay my subscription like anyone else, I have been playing XIV since around 6/21/13 as that is the oldest email I have left in my old inboxes that are still enabled. it's 2025 Housing plots should not have a shortage. XIV devs get anywhere from APROX $120 million USD to $200 Million USD a year for developing and keeping the game updated. It's time some of that budget went to actually rewriting core code like housing.[

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

If they gave you perma housing people like me would drop subs in these 3 month down times and square would have to work for the subs ;P

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YES THIS, it should not be, that we are forced to pay just to have a house so square gets it easy because of FoMo, they should have to work for my subscription, the current setup where people only stay subbed to keep their house is toxic and it breeds people like Solowing who like to pretend they are not gate keepers supporting a toxic system.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

to quote myself previously, this is ridiculous, you can't tell or expect us to have to move just to get a house it's not fair I pay my subscription like anyone else, I have been playing XIV since around 6/21/13 as that is the oldest email I have left in my old inboxes that are still enabled. it's 2025 Housing plots should not have a shortage. XIV devs get anywhere from APROX $120 million USD to $200 Million USD a year for developing and keeping the game updated. It's time some of that budget went to actually rewriting core code like housing.[

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I know it's frustrating but this is all you can do for now and it worked for me, that is all.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

I know it's frustrating but this is all you can do for now and it worked for me, that is all.

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People get seriously frustrated and it's understandable, but it's no one's fault besides SE... no point in getting upset at Rinoa for sharing what worked for them. It's not the ideal solution, but it is better than being homeless and it's really really easy to meet the requirements to get a house nowadays, specially if you have a main that can support the alt.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

I pay my subscription like anyone else, I
Solowing who like to pretend they are not gate keepers supporting a toxic system.

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I could tell you exactly where you could find some open plots , even the large ones. But I guarantee you won't go. I'm not gatekeeping you.You're gate keeping yourself. The only one preventing yourself getting the plot is yoursel.

I think you're just entitled. You're upset that I have a plot but I did what I had to get it. I did what I could to increase my chances. Rather than sit here, complain and expect an entire system to change to suit me..

You should try it.You might make some progress.

I paid for my subscription as well. Can you point to me where the game told me I was entitled to a plot?

Or do YOU feel entitled to that? I do feel that you're entitled to the feature of housing. Which again that issue was solved when they incorporated apartment. Housing wasn't possible if you didn't have a plot.

Your issue isn't how it's inaccessible. You were not on one of the servers that have this is a genuine issue like Balmung. Housing is accessible to you.You just feel entitled to something more like a plot.

Be honest with your opinion.

I don't really care that everyone doesn't have a plot. It's been clear to me since the day I figured out what the plots were it was clear they were never enough for each individual player, you gotta be lucky and not picky and that how i treated the system. As it was shown to me.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

That's really unfortunate :(


Have you considered creating or moving an alt to Dynamis to get a plot there? If you go to one of the newest worlds like Golem, Kraken and such, there are medium plots you can grab and I think there may be a few mansion plots too. It took my main 7 years to get her plot in Exodus but I had sent my main alt to Seraph when it first went live over two and a half years ago now to get a zero bid mansion. This made my wait for my main (won a year and a half after alt in Seraph) far more bearable as I was able to enjoy housing to the fullest on my alt and I always invited friends over even from Exodus. I know your frustration and hope you win a plot for your main soon but please consider having an alt utilize the plentiful housing in Dynamis in the meantime. SE needs to allow us to have access to all of our plot regardless of the world they are in since they are all linked to our account.

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Originally Posted by Kahnha

If they gave you perma housing people like me would drop subs in these 3 month down times and square would have to work for the subs ;P

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Originally Posted by Shistar

People get seriously frustrated and it's understandable, but it's no one's fault besides SE... no point in getting upset at Rinoa for sharing what worked for them. It's not the ideal solution, but it is better than being homeless and it's really really easy to meet the requirements to get a house nowadays, specially if you have a main that can support the alt.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

I know it's frustrating but this is all you can do for now and it worked for me, that is all.

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It's not about getting upset at Rinoa, it's the fact I have been on Behemoth since 2015 and I should not be pushed off it just to get a house I should not have to leave just to get a house, I should not have to leave just to get a house.

The fact is they are making housing FoMo as a way to force people to pay instead of actually designing engaging content that makes people want to keep paying their sub. World of Warcraft has never has such a gated FoMo system in it's entire lifespan which is longer than XIV's and they have been doing just fine because they give content people want.

I do not think anything past regular apartments should be demo timer free.

I do feel if someone wanted a much larger "apartment" like a "large" house size one, they pay the same gil for a large house and get a balcony for gardening and lawn chairs like a normal large house, but it also gets a demo timer. Fair play is fair play imho.

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Originally Posted by Rabblerabble

I do not think anything past regular apartments should be demo timer free.

I do feel if someone wanted a much larger "apartment" like a "large" house size one, they pay the same gil for a large house and get a balcony for gardening and lawn chairs like a normal large house, but it also gets a demo timer. Fair play is fair play imho.

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LOLOLOLOLOL yeah gatekeeping you realize this is 2025 there if they can't keep people baesd on good content and solely relying on a demo timed that the game is done right? if the content is trash and people can't even take breaks without FoMo for losing their house, when they finally crack and take a break they will not bother coming back becausae what is there to come back to they lost everything because they mentally needed a break. NO ONE should be forced to pay for a subscription when they want a break, and no one should be forced to lose hundreds of hours thousands of hours of work for items and gil because they needed a break.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

LOLOLOLOLOL yeah gatekeeping you realize this is 2025 there if they can't keep people baesd on good content and solely relying on a demo timed that the game is done right? if the content is trash and people can't even take breaks without FoMo for losing their house, when they finally crack and take a break they will not bother coming back becausae what is there to come back to they lost everything because they mentally needed a break. NO ONE should be forced to pay for a subscription when they want a break, and no one should be forced to lose hundreds of hours thousands of hours of work for items and gil because they needed a break.

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If they took the demo timers off normal housing, sure.
My point is, to realistically expect that people can get an alternative to housing as it is, to get a cheaper one that is better than a normal house, with no sub required to keep it is kind of... well it is ignoring how SE operates for one. Secondly, for whatever reason, like it is cheaper for them to incentivize transferring to underpopiated worlds instead of code something that gives a never ending house to people, they seem to prefer making people xfer to another data center to get a "normal" fomo house as you put it.

Again my point is that it should follow the same rules everyone is already subjected to.

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Originally Posted by Rabblerabble

Again my point is that it should follow the same rules everyone is already subjected to.

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They don’t need to because they are different systems that require different resources.

The only reason that auto-demo exists is because no one would ever get a ward plot if they didn’t get rid of the inactive players’ plots. That’s definitely the fault of the design, but players asked for auto demo and got it for this specific reason.

Instanced housing - whether we’re talking housing plots or apartments - does not take up permanent physical space like a ward plot, and does not prevent anyone else from owning the same thing, so it wouldn’t require auto-demo.

Same rules would be the pricing being equivalent, but as anyone who shouts down those who want instanced housing says “instanced housing is inferior” (insert eyeroll here), even though it would open up a wealth of features that we can never even hope for with the ward system. All the new features they’re playing with? Because the insides of houses are instanced. Which is why your Island Sanctuary can have more items than the yard of a mansion, they’re instanced too.

But while we’re talking about everyone being treated the same, those of us who were lucky enough to get a ward plot are getting more money’s worth for our subs than those who haven’t had the good RNG to own a house. So maybe that’s the issue we should focus on addressing…

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

It's not about getting upset at Rinoa, it's the fact I have been on Behemoth since 2015 and I should not be pushed off it just to get a house I should not have to leave just to get a house, I should not have to leave just to get a house.

The fact is they are making housing FoMo as a way to force people to pay instead of actually designing engaging content that makes people want to keep paying their sub. World of Warcraft has never has such a gated FoMo system in it's entire lifespan which is longer than XIV's and they have been doing just fine because they give content people want.

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That's not really true. When I started plots did not have a demolition timer. An apartments didn't exist. So you would have plots that were ligit abandoned for months or even years. The playersasked for the demolition timer. I myself asked for it as well. And so they added it.

S.E got the suggestion from the players, but it benefit them in the end. You use your plot, or you lose your plot. And that indirectly ties your sub to it. Because you can lose your plot even with an active subscription if you aren't using it on any level. But if you really like your plot, what's the price of a drive through meal?

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

LOLOLOLOLOL yeah gatekeeping you realize this is 2025 there if they can't keep people baesd on good content and solely relying on a demo timed that the game is done right? if the content is trash and people can't even take breaks without FoMo for losing their house, when they finally crack and take a break they will not bother coming back becausae what is there to come back to they lost everything because they mentally needed a break. NO ONE should be forced to pay for a subscription when they want a break, and no one should be forced to lose hundreds of hours thousands of hours of work for items and gil because they needed a break.

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News flash, the forum users put forward the suggestion of the demo timer. I saw the threads, I too asked for the demolition timer.

You're not arguing the reverse side side of the coin, as granting it with no demo timer gives no incentive to keep your sub active.

Nobody is gatekeeping you as nobody is saying remove your chance for a plot. We are actually trying to help you increase your odds. It's you that is resisting the advice and calling us gatekeepers because you feel entitled to a plot.

You guys can take a break for as long as you want. The game is not asking much of you outside spending two minutes to log in to check your plot. You're telling me you can't so much as look at ff14 once in 45 days for it to count as a "break"?

No one is forced to do anything, I willingly pay square my money, just to continue to login and enjoy my plot. And eventually when I get tired of the game and the plot loses its luster, then I can just let it go along with my subscription. What's keeping you "there" is sunken cost and or emotional attachment.

Square doesn't have a gun to your head, but they are using your attachment to it to keep you on a leash, you willingly tied yourself to, but you can untie yourself at any time.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

It's not about getting upset at Rinoa, it's the fact I have been on Behemoth since 2015 and I should not be pushed off it just to get a house I should not have to leave just to get a house, I should not have to leave just to get a house.

The fact is they are making housing FoMo as a way to force people to pay instead of actually designing engaging content that makes people want to keep paying their sub. World of Warcraft has never has such a gated FoMo system in it's entire lifespan which is longer than XIV's and they have been doing just fine because they give content people want.

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It feels like you didn't read my post, I never said for your main to leave Behemoth, I said for you to move or create an alt character in Dynamis....

Why do I have to make an alt, how does that help my FC?

Thread: Why FFXIV’s Housing System Is Failing Its Players, and Why It Must Change

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...It-Must-Change

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Why do I have to make an alt, how does that help my FC?

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It won't but this is the only way you are guaranteed a housing plot to enjoy tinkering with in Dynamis like I do now with inviting friends over in Seraph and Exodus to use both my homes. People have had these same complaints since housing came out and my suggestion is the only one that works if you want a housing plot now while you continue trying to get one for your main like I did. Now I get to enjoy my main and main alt having their own personal mansions this way. It's not the perfect solution if you only play on one character but at least you will get to enjoy the housing features now and it makes the wait for your main to get their plot much more bearable. I had to wait 7 years for my main to win hers and a year and a half after my main alt got her home in a zero bid lotto when Seraph came out but that final year and a half wait was much better on my mental health until my main won hers :3

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Why do I have to make an alt, how does that help my FC?

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Benefits of an alt, off the top of my head:
- Experience the MSQ again, sidequests included since those are not saved by NG+
- Perfect chance to learn jobs from scratch, since you even have the sprout icon on top of your head
- If the alt is in another world/DC, access to housing, FC creation, workshop
- More savage/unreal clears and weeklies
- Anonimity, if you want it (to a certain extent...)


If it's a personal then Rinoa's solution is the best you can have for now. If it's an FC... though luck. Keep participating until you win, everyone who got a house had to go through this, or worse.

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Originally Posted by Shistar

- Anonimity, if you want it (to a certain extent...)

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I'd say there's no anonymity with the stalker cheat thing STILL unpatched, despite the devs claims...

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Originally Posted by Rin_Sato

I'd say there's no anonymity with the stalker cheat thing STILL unpatched, despite the devs claims...

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Facts, I got recognized at a venue that I left and came back 20 min later on my main got a "welcome back"

Miqo to Au Ra, outfits different but recognized.

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Originally Posted by Rin_Sato

I'd say there's no anonymity with the stalker cheat thing STILL unpatched, despite the devs claims...

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That is why I said to a certain extent. Some measures have been put in place in an attempt to mitigate it, although it's not enough. The only way to get true anonimity is to be on a completely different account and avoid associating with the players you usually hang out with to make it harder for stalkers to be able to guess it's you.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Facts, I got recognized at a venue that I left and came back 20 min later on my main got a "welcome back"

Miqo to Au Ra, outfits different but recognized.

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I gotta say welcome back to everyone now just to mess with people lol

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Originally Posted by Solowing

I'm gonna be honest this is just asking for ward housing in a different round about way. That gives you a better version of what's already available.While also allowing you to sidestep the demolition timer while leaving those who already have a plot with the demo timer.

Why do I have to stay subscribed and deal with the demolition timer so you can get a better version of what I have.But the only downside is there's no yard (if no balcony shows). You have 18 slots to work with, (small) vs removing a demo timer in its entirety....

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We get it. You literally disagree with any and all ideas related to housing.

We wouldn't want you to lose your perfect situation and your plethora of plots. Amirite?

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Originally Posted by Llamalass

We get it. You literally disagree with any and all ideas related to housing.

We wouldn't want you to lose your perfect situation and your plethora of plots. Amirite?

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Not really?I just disagree on instant housing. That's really the only thing i'm arguing against.

I like the neighborhood vibe.So i'm going to defend that.

Hey I just wanted to bring this back up for fresh eyes....
also Why FFXIV’s Housing System Is Failing Its Players, and Why It Must Change <another important thread

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Hey I just wanted to bring this back up for fresh eyes....
also Why FFXIV’s Housing System Is Failing Its Players, and Why It Must Change <another important thread

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Bumping the thread doesn’t make the suggestions any fairer, and it still ignores a key reality: FFXIV housing isn’t a brand-new system like WoW’s.

WoW can design housing from scratch, rules, plots, and mechanics, without upsetting existing players. FFXIV has years of legacy systems, with established wards, player homes, FC ownership, decorations, and social/community investments. You can’t just swap it all for instanced housing and magically solve every issue.

Removing demo timers, giving everyone instanced housing, or retroactively replacing plots ignores these realities and creates new problems for current owners. Housing isn’t zero-friction, it’s inherently a balancing act between access, ownership, social visibility, and choice.

Focusing on trade-offs and practical improvements is the only way to have a productive discussion. Everything else just adds noise.

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying SE shouldn’t make changes. I’m just saying crying victim about it without providing real, fair, and feasible solutions is not the most productive thing to do especially considering we have multiple housing threads all with the same individuals who refuse to see the other side.

There is no one true solution to FFXIV housing, and no matter what SE decides, some people are going to be unhappy. Maybe instead of dogpiling each other from opposite sides, we can acknowledge the system is flawed and that we don’t actually know how to fix it. None of the suggestions in the other thread are truly fair, every proposal comes with trade-offs, and pretending otherwise isn’t productive.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

Bumping the thread doesn’t make the suggestions any fairer, and it still ignores a key reality: FFXIV housing isn’t a brand-new system like WoW’s.

WoW can design housing from scratch, rules, plots, and mechanics, without upsetting existing players. FFXIV has years of legacy systems, with established wards, player homes, FC ownership, decorations, and social/community investments. You can’t just swap it all for instanced housing and magically solve every issue.

Removing demo timers, giving everyone instanced housing, or retroactively replacing plots ignores these realities and creates new problems for current owners. Housing isn’t zero-friction, it’s inherently a balancing act between access, ownership, social visibility, and choice.

Focusing on trade-offs and practical improvements is the only way to have a productive discussion. Everything else just adds noise.

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying SE shouldn’t make changes. I’m just saying crying victim about it without providing real, fair, and feasible solutions is not the most productive thing to do especially considering we have multiple housing threads all with the same individuals who refuse to see the other side.

There is no one true solution to FFXIV housing, and no matter what SE decides, some people are going to be unhappy. Maybe instead of dogpiling each other from opposite sides, we can acknowledge the system is flawed and that we don’t actually know how to fix it. None of the suggestions in the other thread are truly fair, every proposal comes with trade-offs, and pretending otherwise isn’t productive.

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I've already provided a feasible solution, one that works within existing systems and doesn't require tearing down legacy infrastructure. Whether Square Enix chooses to invest in meaningful improvements or continues relying on "break glass in case of emergency" patches like the glamour dresser update is entirely on them.

Players aren't the ones letting the game stagnate while the cash shop expands. We're not the ones prioritizing monetization over core system fixes. If SE keeps adding more "give us money" items while housing, UI, and retention systems degrade, that's not a player failure, that's a development and funding decision.

And it's not just housing. They keep advertising to hire dungeon designers and developers, only to funnel them into producing the same mechanically shallow, corridor-style dungeons we've seen for years. Then when players inevitably criticize the "new" dungeon for being the same old recycled format, those hires quietly disappear. It's a cycle of design stagnation followed by scapegoating, not innovation.

The community has offered viable, technically sound proposals. If they're ignored, that's not because they're unrealistic, it's because SE hasn't committed to solving the underlying problems. The burden isn't on players to fix the game. It's on the studio to stop patching symptoms and start funding solutions.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

I've already provided a feasible solution, one that works within existing systems and doesn't require tearing down legacy infrastructure.

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The disconnect here is between “this sounds feasible to me as a player” and “this is fair, scalable, and sustainable for the game as a whole.” Those are not the same thing.

Simply asserting that a proposal is feasible doesn’t make it fair or consequence-free. Players aren’t responsible for maintaining parity between millions of users, preserving years of legacy investment, or balancing technical debt with long-term support. Square Enix is. That distinction matters.

FFXIV housing is a decade-old, persistent, social system with wards, FC ownership, RP communities, and significant player investment. Change in FFXIV creates ripple effects: perceived value differences, size parity, pricing expectations, demolition rules, and social visibility between systems.

Yes, instanced or condo-style housing could alleviate some issues. I’ve said that consistently.

Players can have 1 FC house, 1 FC Chamber, 1 Personal House, 1 Apartment. Will players be allowed 1 instanced condo? Or would they have to give up something.

In a game where fairness is constantly debated, it’s odd to suddenly argue housing should be exempt from those expectations. FFXIV is built around perceived equity and earned progression. I can’t just buy the Pteranodon mount, I have to craft for it. Even if it’s easier now, there’s still baseline effort involved. When that principle is ignored, players get upset, we’ve seen that repeatedly.

That’s the core housing issue: how do we improve access while respecting existing investment, social systems, and effort?

For example:
Add instanced housing
Extend demolition timers
Keep gil costs consistent

Is that fair? Yes and no, because it devalues location, scarcity, or long-term ownership. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea. It means it has consequences.

There is no version of housing where everyone is happy. That doesn’t mean change shouldn’t happen. It means pretending there’s a zero-conflict solution isn’t productive.

I’m not white-knighting for the developers, but “here’s a problem, fix it” isn’t how live MMO development works. Declaring a proposal “feasible” doesn’t answer whether it can be implemented without disrupting progression, fairness expectations, server load, social structures, or years of player investment. That’s the part players don’t have to solve. Developers do.

Acknowledging constraints isn’t defending stagnation. It’s recognizing that housing touches gil sinks, retention, RP communities, FC structures, and long-term ownership. If a proposal can’t clearly explain who benefits, who loses, and why that trade-off is acceptable, then it isn’t a finished solution, it’s a wishlist.

Criticizing SE for slow or incremental change is fair. Claiming there’s a zero-cost, zero-conflict fix they’re simply choosing not to implement is not.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

The disconnect here is between “this sounds feasible to me as a player” and “this is fair, scalable, and sustainable for the game as a whole.” Those are not the same thing.
Criticizing SE for slow or incremental change is fair. Claiming there’s a zero-cost, zero-conflict fix they’re simply choosing not to implement is not.

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I appreciate the concern for fairness and legacy systems, but I think you're misframing what "feasible" means in this context. My Solution 9 proposal doesn't dismantle existing infrastructure, it adds a parallel instanced system using existing tech, avoids ward disruption, and provides permanent housing without touching legacy plots.

Fairness isn't just about preserving what exists, it's also about expanding access, preventing abuse, and improving retention. Permanent instanced housing helps players who've been locked out for years, while reducing pressure on FC plots and ward hoarding. That's a net gain in fairness.

And why wouldn't a player be eligible for permanent housing while also owning a ward plot? Permanent housing gives people the relief to take a break without keeping their sub active just to avoid losing multimillions in gil, or worse, cash shop housing items. Imagine spending $100 on Mogstation decor, taking a break due to stress forgetting that you have real money items in the house, and coming back to find it all deleted with no recovery option. Permanent housing solves that, while still letting those who care about ward aesthetics keep their front yards.

As for apartments, they could also be given the long-promised housing "TARDIS" upgrade path. Let players choose: keep the bachelor-sized unit or upgrade to something immersive. The current layouts are already immersion-breaking and frankly, they're the weakest part of the housing system.

And let's be honest: SE's development choices haven't been constraint-driven. They've hired dungeon designers only to funnel them into formulaic layouts, patched glamour systems with "break glass in case of emergency" fixes, and expanded the cash shop while core systems stagnate. The issue isn't technical debt, it's prioritization.

I've provided a feasible, scalable, and immersive solution. And yes, it's not the player's job to implement it, it's SE's job to invest in the infrastructure (The Code). The servers are already there. Wards and houses, no matter how much you argue it, are already instances.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

I appreciate the concern for fairness and legacy systems, but I think you're misframing what "feasible" means in this context. My Solution 9 proposal doesn't dismantle existing infrastructure, it adds a parallel instanced system using existing tech, avoids ward disruption, and provides permanent housing without touching legacy plots.

Fairness isn't just about preserving what exists, it's also about expanding access, preventing abuse, and improving retention. Permanent instanced housing helps players who've been locked out for years, while reducing pressure on FC plots and ward hoarding. That's a net gain in fairness.

And why wouldn't a player be eligible for permanent housing while also owning a ward plot? Permanent housing gives people the relief to take a break without keeping their sub active just to avoid losing multimillions in gil, or worse, cash shop housing items. Imagine spending $100 on Mogstation decor, taking a break due to stress forgetting that you have real money items in the house, and coming back to find it all deleted with no recovery option. Permanent housing solves that, while still letting those who care about ward aesthetics keep their front yards.

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I was not arguing against instanced housing. I’ve said repeatedly that instanced or condo-style housing could alleviate some issues.

My argument is this: it’s not an easy fix, and any implementation needs to consider fairness, parity, and the trade-offs involved.

If a system allows everyone to have a condo with no negative consequences (for them or for individuals in wards), then yes, perfect. But if it introduces disparities, wards losing customizability, condos being cheaper or larger, gil imbalances like condos being way too highly priced or too low, or perceived value differences, demolition timers, permanence, then it’s just replacing one unfair system with another. That’s the core issue. I'm literally not saying that we, the players, are wrong, I'm saying:

What it comes down to is designing it in a way that respects existing investment, community structures, and player expectations. Without that, the point of the solution becomes moot.

It would require massive change to housing as a whole and I don't see that happening.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

If a system allows everyone to have a condo with no negative consequences (for them or for individuals in wards), then yes, perfect. But if it introduces disparities, wards losing customizability, condos being cheaper or larger, gil imbalances like condos being way too highly priced or too low, or perceived value differences, demolition timers, permanence, then it’s just replacing one unfair system with another.

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Forgive my dumbass I do have a brain injury, Are you saying as long as Condos are still a gil-sink (which is what I proposed but the price is not https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...pX2d/giphy.gif)

As long as they remain Customizable, and as long as they are actually permanent like apartments (which are actually not permanent there are instance where you can lose it if you take an extended break tho that's more a bug than forced loss)

And as long as they don't "force a player" to surrender their plot in a ward, than it's fair.

Because that is exactly what I suggested with my post, like to a T.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Forgive my dumbass I do have a brain injury, Are you saying as long as Condos are still a gil-sink (which is what I proposed but the price is not https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...pX2d/giphy.gif)

As long as they remain Customizable, and as long as they are actually permanent like apartments (which are actually not permanent there are instance where you can lose it if you take an extended break tho that's more a bug than forced loss)

And as long as they don't "force a player" to surrender their plot in a ward, than it's fair.

Because that is exactly what I suggested with my post, like to a T.

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Alright , for an example of fairness in this sense. If we're going to have instanced housing in conjunction with ward housing , then instance housing is also going to have to have the 45 day demo timer. For parity.

Unless the ward system is going to be retired. And the demolition timer permanently disabled.

But those who may want to ward house wontt going to be able to get one in the name of fairness because the demo timer has to be turned off. And afding new wards is perpetuating the exclusivity because only a limited amount will be available compared to the demand.

But the idea is , if you're going to give everybody the housing system , they have to be held to the same rule set , you cannot have separate rules for the exact same system.

Either they both have the demolition timer or neither do. And those who don't want the demolition timer aren't going to be happy. And if you get rid of the timer , then you have to disable it across all the wards and retire the system as well. Shutting out those want to partake in ward system but didnt get one before the system was retired. They arnt going to be happy. But id be fine since my plots are enshrined and can no longer be demod. It only punishes those who didnt "in b4 the lock"

Which is with the other poster meant by no matter what the solution. Someone not going to be happy. Either instanced housing has to be a compromise or share parity to ward plots. Its not possible to do both.

reposting from the other thread

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Forgive my dumbass I do have a brain injury, Are you saying as long as Condos are still a gil-sink (which is what I proposed but the price is not https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...pX2d/giphy.gif)

As long as they remain Customizable, and as long as they are actually permanent like apartments (which are actually not permanent there are instance where you can lose it if you take an extended break tho that's more a bug than forced loss)

And as long as they don't "force a player" to surrender their plot in a ward, than it's fair.

Because that is exactly what I suggested with my post, like to a T.

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I think we’re misunderstanding each other.

I am not arguing against instanced or condo housing. I agree it could help.

I am also not saying your proposal is automatically unfair.

What I am saying is this:
even if condos are permanent, customizable, a gil sink, and optional, that doesn’t automatically guarantee fairness. It still depends on how they compare to ward housing in practice — cost, size, value, restrictions, and long-term impact.

My point isn’t “this won’t work.”
My point is “this isn’t trivial, and the details matter.”

If SE can add these condos in a way that gives everyone access without creating new imbalances or devaluing existing housing, then great. I just don’t think that outcome should be assumed without considering the trade-offs.

That’s it.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Alright , for an example of fairness in this sense. If we're going to have instanced housing in conjunction with ward housing , then instance housing is also going to have to have the 45 day demo timer. For parity.

Unless the ward system is going to be retired. And the demolition timer permanently disabled.

But those who may want to ward house wontt going to be able to get one in the name of fairness because the demo timer has to be turned off. And afding new wards is perpetuating the exclusivity because only a limited amount will be available compared to the demand.

But the idea is , if you're going to give everybody the housing system , they have to be held to the same rule set , you cannot have separate rules for the exact same system.

Either they both have the demolition timer or neither do. And those who don't want the demolition timer aren't going to be happy. And if you get rid of the timer , then you have to disable it across all the wards and retire the system as well. Shutting out those want to partake in ward system but didnt get one before the system was retired. They arnt going to be happy. But id be fine since my plots are enshrined and can no longer be demod. It only punishes those who didnt "in b4 the lock"

Which is with the other poster meant by no matter what the solution. Someone not going to be happy. Either instanced housing has to be a compromise or share parity to ward plots. Its not possible to do both.

reposting from the other thread

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I feel the more it's said, the less people understand what's being said.

If condos are permanent & wards aren't, a lot of people are going to be unhappy and the other way around. If condos are not permanent then again back to square 1 of the problem. So what do we do? Make everything permanent and then have people who cry they can't get something they want? Make everything on timers and get people that cry about losing things? It's impossible and that's the tradeoff SE has to consider.