Why so many 18+ related player events in the party finders

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Originally Posted by Kishin12345

That ERP happens is not the problem. The problem is that it happens publicly in front of everyones noses. Keep it a secret and its fine. I hope that at some point SE lets the ban hammer down. They want to take measures against the stalker plogon, right? Wonder how they find the dude? They cant stop it. Also there will just be more malicious tools in the future with such lax safety measures, oh wait no safety measures AT ALL lmao.

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The thing is, SE will never actively crack down on third-party tools. They’ll maintain their stance against them, sure, but they’ll never go all-in, because there’s zero financial incentive to do so.

• Players extracting more fun from the base game? QoL fixes? Hats? Network improvements?
  ⇒ Let them do it for free, lol.
  
• New animations for jobs?
  ⇒ LMAO, let the players make them. We don’t even need to pay licensing fees for potential crossovers.
  
• New gear?
  ⇒ Sure, throw them a couple of new pieces with fancy effects, then rehash old sets so they have placeholders for their own creations.
  
• Customization options?
  ⇒ KEKW. Have you seen the insane stuff players already mod in?

Yoshi-P will step up a few times a year, scold the player base, ban a few who got caught, and then business as usual.

If they could backpedal and implement an official API to support plugins, they absolutely would, but XIV is multiplatform, so they can’t.

The whole blacklist disaster is on SE.
Why on earth would they send the account ID to the client instead of actually implementing a functional server-side blacklist that works both ways?

You can do something about it. If someone is pushing 18+ stuff in public, just report them.
That stuff is supposed to happen in private according to the ToS.
Simple.

Just be a chronic loner like me, OP, then you'll never see any ERP in-game.

There're sooooooo many people who just pay a subscription fee to log in and ERP all day. Like, if your question is genuine, you have no idea how many people legit just use this game as a sexting platform. It's nuts. The actual game gets new content every four months at a drip feed and the story's declined substantially, so all that's left is to load up some dirty dances and shake your ass on some twitch DJ's floor. Why these people don't just unsub and go to VR chat or Second Life, is beyond me.

Shout out to Square though, for looking the other way as usual so long as it brings them sub money. Sub money from subs, haha. Get it? It's funny because there are barely any doms in XIV. Anyway, you can ignore this stuff really easily. Just don't click the "other" tab in pf and disable shout chat since it was never good to begin with. I played on balmung and never had to see any of that crap unless I went out of my way to see it and even then I was only seeing the surface side of things if you catch my drift.

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

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The front facing part of the community is not ERP. You might be noticing it cause you're annoyed by it but I'd hardly say that's the MOST prominent part of the community. The playerbase total has increased so more people are doing MORE of everything.

There is no optimization discussion outside of very small corners for certain fights because 2 minute meta killed pretty much all optimization discussions. Once the initial rotation numbers are crunched, that's it.

The culture is different because there are more people affecting it. I'm not claiming it's exactly the same, I never claimed that. I SAID that the parts of the game you seem to be bemoaning STILL exists. The ERP/RP/Nightclub stuff STILL exists too. It all has been existent in this game for a long long long ass time. Just cause you see more nightclub ads cause there's more people so more nightclubs doesn't mean the ENTIRE GAME CULTURE has shifted into only ERP.

This sure is a lot of pages dedicated to a puritanical, pearl-clutching non-issue...

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Originally Posted by tordash

well if this is the game actually, why the game is still 13+ ?

i know that the rating for games aren't rating player communication but this is definitely not a game for under 18+ years old
if you can see in a general public area announces of those, well, has a parent, i would never allow my children to play this game what so ever, and if they buy it before i knew about this and discover, id delete myself there accounts

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This is how ALL online games work. The game content is correctly rated, player-generated content is not. A lot of events say 18+ but only because they don't want to deal with kids, it doesn't mean they're doing any nasty or sexual stuff.


You're welcome to educate your kids to not attend these events, and, in fact, they will always remove kids from those events if they find out. Instead of sheltering your child take this as an opportunity to teach them how to behave in public. If you just want to raise an iPad kid without interactions have them play another game that isn't online.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

This again??

- Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB
- ERP Has been part of MMOS for at least 20 years. Are you new to online gaming?
- If you're letting your 13 year old child play an online game without supervision, you're an awful parent/guardian.
- Why do you care about what consenting adults do or don't do in private venues?

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Yeah, just puritans looking for wiggle room to power-trip as usual.

this thread is funny like if all plugin user are bad yes some are but most people I interact with are ok with the fact I am not using those and never did they don't force shit on me. yes I don't encourage them at all but if someone isn't forcing anything on you. you should leave them alone if they are hostile to you because you don't use those then you should report.


after all more then half the NA servers use those so it would be a major drop

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

this thread is funny like if all plugin user are bad yes some are but most people I interact with are ok with the fact I am not using those and never did they don't force shit on me. yes I don't encourage them at all but if someone isn't forcing anything on you. you should leave them alone if they are hostile to you because you don't use those then you should report.


after all more then half the NA servers use those so it would be a major drop

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While I don't think all users of the plugins are bad either, I have seen the effect over time of them change how the entire social landscape I've known for years works as the plugins allow for a more... intense... experience, be it clothing or animation.
An exponential increase in degeneracy as well as an actual dependence of plugins to the level of "I'd quit if mods got taken away" being quite a common thing to see a person say, a club discord that has both SFW and NSFW gallery's you'll generally see interaction in reaction be extremely slim in SFW and rather high in NSFW.

I completely stopped going to venues as a result of this and just dialled up my content focus, now I have no content that I enjoy left until 7.2

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

This sure is a lot of pages dedicated to a puritanical, pearl-clutching non-issue...

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That's because people haven't learned to stop engaging with concern trolling and just call it out for what it is

It's used all the time, by generally unaffected parties to try and force their worldview on everyone else, and they usually bring up children, because WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN (they have no children) is used as a shield of plausible deniability to defend the stupidest takes

Woman too sexy in video game? Cover her up! Won't somebody think of the children?
Book talking about gay stuff? Ban it! Won't somebody think of the children?

And you can see how effective it is in this thread

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Originally Posted by Meifala

The front facing part of the community is not ERP. You might be noticing it cause you're annoyed by it but I'd hardly say that's the MOST prominent part of the community. The playerbase total has increased so more people are doing MORE of everything.

There is no optimization discussion outside of very small corners for certain fights because 2 minute meta killed pretty much all optimization discussions. Once the initial rotation numbers are crunched, that's it.

The culture is different because there are more people affecting it. I'm not claiming it's exactly the same, I never claimed that. I SAID that the parts of the game you seem to be bemoaning STILL exists. The ERP/RP/Nightclub stuff STILL exists too. It all has been existent in this game for a long long long ass time. Just cause you see more nightclub ads cause there's more people so more nightclubs doesn't mean the ENTIRE GAME CULTURE has shifted into only ERP.

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Lol just check ff14 Twitter and scroll. See how fast you find some NSFW commission art. Now scroll until the heat death of the universe and see if you'll even see more than one and a half opti tweets.

Don't try to cope that Twitter isn't front facing. It's literally the only thing SE uses outside of OF and Lodestone.

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

Lol just check ff14 Twitter and scroll. See how fast you find some NSFW commission art. Now scroll until the heat death of the universe and see if you'll even see more than one and a half opti tweets.

Don't try to cope that Twitter isn't front facing. It's literally the only thing SE uses outside of OF and Lodestone.

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There's a ton of discussion and non-nsfw stuff on twitter about xiv. Not necessarily optimization, because as we both agreed there's not much these days to discuss.

But I do see art, lore discussions, memes, and tons of gposes that aren't NSFW. If anything, I think this just speaks more to your twitter algorithm than anything if all you're seeing is NSFW.

Bruh best thing for you to do is just ignore it move on XD it will save u in a long run.

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Originally Posted by Meifala

There's a ton of discussion and non-nsfw stuff on twitter about xiv. Not necessarily optimization, because as we both agreed there's not much these days to discuss.

But I do see art, lore discussions, memes, and tons of gposes that aren't NSFW. If anything, I think this just speaks more to your twitter algorithm than anything if all you're seeing is NSFW.

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I'm not saying all of it is NSFW. I'm saying on a brand new account if you scroll FF14 Twitter you'll see NSFW commissions and people with (18) in their profile name within half a minute. And once you see it it's very hard not to notice that these (18) people are everywhere even if they aren't talking about NSFW.

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Originally Posted by NaoSen

While I don't think all users of the plugins are bad either, I have seen the effect over time of them change how the entire social landscape I've known for years works as the plugins allow for a more... intense... experience, be it clothing or animation.
An exponential increase in degeneracy as well as an actual dependence of plugins to the level of "I'd quit if mods got taken away" being quite a common thing to see a person say, a club discord that has both SFW and NSFW gallery's you'll generally see interaction in reaction be extremely slim in SFW and rather high in NSFW.

I completely stopped going to venues as a result of this and just dialled up my content focus, now I have no content that I enjoy left until 7.2

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I'm pretty sure mod users wouldn't have much to stand on except degeneracy if SE actually released QoL and improved their game, and gave more character customization options. Hell, who knows how long they will hold a simple thing like chat bubbles hostage for before they release it.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Thousands of players are attending these events, and tenfold more the number of those who are using the related plugins (You know the ones), many of which are considering these activities to be the endgame for them, or the main hobby and activity to do inside.

Why SE doesn't do anything about it? It's simple, because if they do then the player count will significantly drop, maybe even signal the FF14 exodus and the beginning of the end.

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Way to go on a hyperbole.

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Originally Posted by NaoSen

While I don't think all users of the plugins are bad either, I have seen the effect over time of them change how the entire social landscape I've known for years works as the plugins allow for a more... intense... experience, be it clothing or animation.
An exponential increase in degeneracy as well as an actual dependence of plugins to the level of "I'd quit if mods got taken away" being quite a common thing to see a person say, a club discord that has both SFW and NSFW gallery's you'll generally see interaction in reaction be extremely slim in SFW and rather high in NSFW.

I completely stopped going to venues as a result of this and just dialled up my content focus, now I have no content that I enjoy left until 7.2

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I don't go to venue at all I often do open world RP or like one venue I go too because fight club! and most of the people who attend want it to be more friendly toward the people not using such things. I don't say everywhere is good but the more we go the more it get worst they even have corn animation and replace all RP with emote that sadden me ;-;

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

I'm not saying all of it is NSFW. I'm saying on a brand new account if you scroll FF14 Twitter you'll see NSFW commissions and people with (18) in their profile name within half a minute. And once you see it it's very hard not to notice that these (18) people are everywhere even if they aren't talking about NSFW.

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That's the Internet for you. There's people like that in every corner of every interest online.

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Originally Posted by Clockworks

"I came back because of the live letter" lmao.

It's okay to not be able to quit the game because you're addicted to it or just too attached, just admit it.

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Cc: Allen (you were basically right too)

Well. You won. Coming back for the live letter was dumb. I cancelled my sub again. The social opportunity collapsed (game's fault) and so there is still nothing to do. Something might crop up in the remaining days but we only made it about 10 days, and now I'm bored of helping with EX3s for no reward. So this does not look good. I thought with a positive attitude the opportunities might arise but it's wishful thinking. A positive attitude isn't enough. I need to play mind games with myself instead, and I just can't.
Like I say we'll see. But...

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

The thing is, SE will never actively crack down on third-party tools. They’ll maintain their stance against them, sure, but they’ll never go all-in, because there’s zero financial incentive to do so.
The whole blacklist disaster is on SE.
Why on earth would they send the account ID to the client instead of actually implementing a functional server-side blacklist that works both ways?

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Speaking as a former game & software development, it actually makes sense why they'd do it if you're making a few assumptions that the Square devs might.

-The ID may be getting sent to the client, but in a vanilla client, it's irrelevant - there's zero way the enduser has any possible way to access it in any way shape or form. So on a theoretical level, it'd be a very safe thing to do. Even if they theoretically could access it - without insane documentation of the game code, the enduser would have effectively zero idea what they're looking at amongst the huge swathe of other variables & data being sent over. Honestly, you'd be utterly terrified how many very large & widely used programs out there use/have used similar tricks with data you would normally have zero method to access/easily obtain that could be crippling if they fell into the wrong hands (and quite frankly, have before being patched out.)

-Client based leads to less Server I/O operations overall by a huge margin. Given their talks in the past about how adding even 1 extra slot of persistent inventory is a very large undertaking that they have to spend lots of time QA'ing and testing, I have little in the way of doubts that Server I/O is a huge topic & pain point they have to plan lots of things around, since every little thing being added to a player magnifies Server I/O by titanic amounts due to being done to every player online every couple hundred milliseconds. Thus, going for a client solution makes much more sense, especially given the above point.

Their biggest issue is that they severely underestimated just how ridiculously documented the game has become to plugin developers. (And also being frank, just how many of these people have large amounts of time on their hands to spend doing this in the first place) Massive de-compilations & analyzing over the years by 3rd party peeps has basically outlined every single struct/function the game uses within the client so the plugin developers can see every tiny thing that's added to the game each patch as part of their plugin fixing routine. So finding the Account ID variable was super easy because it came with all the new stuff, putting way more visibility on it comparatively.

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Originally Posted by tordash

well i have a question then? because i know i am not the only one tired of this.
would it be against ToS to create a player base mouvement like an FC or a linkshell called example: "FF14 player base police departement" that would fight against this and report those illegal activities

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Really?
This is what makes XIV comunity so fucking toxic. The white knights.
You log in the game to play it or to report “illegal stuffs”?

And, moreover…nobody cares.
No body will tell you they are using third party tools.
So, if SE doesn’t have any tools to fight that back, how you think you can do it?

For your own goodness…don’t be the idiot cop asking for “fun” at a teen party.
Mind your own business, don’t think.
Play the game, don’t ask questions.
Do your stuffs, enjoy your time.
And everything will be good and no one will get hurt.

11 pages of this? OP, I understand your moral sensitivity is a thing but, if you see an 18/nsfw warning in pf…just…don’t click on it? I mean, that’s what the warnings there for in the first place? I swear to god I won’t use the word ‘sheltered’ in conjunction with you since it seems you’re genuinely stating how you feel but. . .well…e-Erm….w-welcome to the internet?

So, I get there are people here talking about plugs. But, there are other reasons for 18+ events or groups. Even without that in which should not be said.. most adult roleplayers do not want to RP with minors. And I am not even talking the 'e' type. I am talking in general due to graphic language, graphic descriptions, and mature themes. Or even those who are just purely into slice of life often don't even want to RP with anyone who is a minor for their own safety and comfort. While the game itself may be 13+, I personally do not like being around children and I mean that as a whole. Even if I am not roleplaying and I am just joining a FC to have fun, if that FC is not 18+ only, I will not join. I do not want to have to curate my language or what I talk about to make sure that it is appropriate for all minors so instead I curate my spaces to be 18+.