New Mogstore "Supply kit" good will or desperation?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Doubt it. They usually decide things 8 months in advance or more, which is why a lot of feedback doesn't get incorporated for a whole expansion (2.5 years currently).

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Something to keep in mind is that companies usually have "oh shit" sales waiting in the wings. This isn't to say that they're "desperate" per se, but my guess is they're probably not hitting internal quarterly goals. At my old job, we would always have sales which had popular/requested items that were always rare specifically so we could put them in packs to sell to hit goal.

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Originally Posted by Xeronia

Honestly my biggest issue is this totally negates a good past reward of the Bozjan Earring that had a 10% exp boost below level 80 ( but you had to be level 71 to equip it for some reason). I would have preferred to see that buffed with the level restriction removed and more things made like it as rewards over just outright selling a past pre-order reward on the mogstation.

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It wouldn't surprise me if most people who got the Bozjan Earring, got it for the +3 haste it gives in Bozja areas.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

1. I already had every job at 90 when DT launched.

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Just want to point out that the exp bonus from the earrings also applies when getting level synced into its range (90 or lower for Azeyma's, 80 or lower for Menphina's). So they'll always be useful until you run out of jobs to level (or exclusively level in lvl 91+ content).

The earring being in this pack doesn't bother me (keeping things from others has never been my m.o.), what does is this is the kind ish you see a ftp crap mobile game NOT a subscription based mmo, what's next? Potions that give a large damage boost in raids? Gear with better stats then crafted? And to anyone saying but what about level/story boosts? I've ALWAYS been against those too, same with renting more retainers (this one REALLY bugs me).

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Originally Posted by Windfire

The earring being in this pack doesn't bother me (keeping things from others has never been my m.o.), what does is this is the kind ish you see a ftp crap mobile game NOT a subscription based mmo, what's next? Potions that give a large damage boost in raids? Gear with better stats then crafted? And to anyone saying but what about level/story boosts? I've ALWAYS been against those too, same with renting more retainers (this one REALLY bugs me).

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Are you implying that an earring with an EXP bonus is somehow a slippery slope to them adding those kinds of potions, or gear with better stats than crafted? This isn't exactly new, the cash shop has had gear with EXP bonus as far back as September 2016, when they added the Far Eastern Garb. This set has a bonus that gives you 30% exp when below lvl 30 (which also works on crafters/gatherers), released at a time when the lvl cap was 60. What's next is probably gonna be similar to what they've been doing with the cash shop for nearly a decade, the usual cosmetic stuff.

Personally don't really have an issue with the bundle, since it's basically a fantasia with added incentive.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

I have the feeling that this is just the beginning. What will be next? And the far better Question is, why should we preorder Expansions in the Future, if SE is throwing Pre Order Items for cheap into the Shop?

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Because you get the perks four years in advance? Personally, I think they could have just made the earrings free but c'est la vie. Do you really value the exclusivity of a now obsolete EXP earring that you've likely tossed in the armoire years ago, never again to see the light of day, that much?

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Originally Posted by Windfire

The earring being in this pack doesn't bother me (keeping things from others has never been my m.o.), what does is this is the kind ish you see a ftp crap mobile game NOT a subscription based mmo, what's next? Potions that give a large damage boost in raids? Gear with better stats then crafted? And to anyone saying but what about level/story boosts? I've ALWAYS been against those too, same with renting more retainers (this one REALLY bugs me).

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I'm all for criticism the mog station. Especially more recently with all the crap they keep adding. However, this is a quantum level leap. Like I said above, the EXP earring is entirely obsolete to pretty much everyone who preordered it four years ago. Suggesting they'll go from that to stat boosters and Savage gear is, frankly, ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

I have the feeling that this is just the beginning. What will be next? And the far better Question is, why should we preorder Expansions in the Future, if SE is throwing Pre Order Items for cheap into the Shop?

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I dont care a single bit about pre order items
literally 0 care at all.
But, i don't want to see this game become more like a f2p game with a sub on top.

I wonder why they sell a fantasia, one of their top selling items in bundle with other item, for less than the price of a fantasia : this is weird.

Considering that people new to the game have to catch up on several expansions, and considering a lot of them may want to eventually level cap their character, I actually think this is a really good deal, and have no problem with it at all.

It would be desperation if they were to charge you upwards of £12.99, but this price is actually a steal.

this is funny again. So SE makes a move which is upsetting some people so lets post how fine we all are with that move instead of listen to the other ones. I clearly can see why its upsetting people and why not. thing is the 30% exp boost is not the point why its getting a bad flag here. If its just the 30% earring i dont see the issue why it have to be this item instead of a new one ? i mean they expect people to pay for it so a bit of work here would be nice. You can argue if its border you or not but fact is this was an item you get only for supporting this game period, there was no other way and this is what makes it problematic. If you take away something limited from players which makes an item less rare they will be upset. It doesnt matter how usefull or old this item is or even how many use it. So my question is why not just make an item, a fresh one with the same buff ? I know now its to late for it but idk it feels scammy to see how this game offers old reused items for 7$ putting in 0 work into it and just take away the rarity of an pre order item. Think about it before posting BuT nEw PlAyErS.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

this is funny again. So SE makes a move which is upsetting some people so lets post how fine we all are with that move instead of listen to the other ones. I clearly can see why its upsetting people and why not. thing is the 30% exp boost is not the point why its getting a bad flag here. If its just the 30% earring i dont see the issue why it have to be this item instead of a new one ? i mean they expect people to pay for it so a bit of work here would be nice. You can argue if its border you or not but fact is this was an item you get only for supporting this game period, there was no other way and this is what makes it problematic. If you take away something limited from players which makes an item less rare they will be upset. It doesnt matter how usefull or old this item is or even how many use it. So my question is why not just make an item, a fresh one with the same buff ? I know now its to late for it but idk it feels scammy to see how this game offers old reused items for 7$ putting in 0 work into it and just take away the rarity of an pre order item. Think about it before posting BuT nEw PlAyErS.

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Why would it matter whether it's this earring, or whether it's a brand new earring titled "Adventurer's Earring", especially if it is literally the same effect? I don't see why this would change absolutely anything.

It would be the exact same thing "Why do we now have a purchasable item that offers the same properties as the Memphina Earring, and I am sorry, but rarity?!? It's a levelling item that gets relegated to the armory chest.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

i mean they expect people to pay for it so a bit of work here would be nice. You can argue if its border you or not but fact is this was an item you get only for supporting this game period, there was no other way and this is what makes it problematic. If you take away something limited from players which makes an item less rare they will be upset.

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They are not taking anything limited from anybody, they're making it accessible for everybody else that didn't get to preorder Endwalker back in 2021. It's not rare, it's quite literally a very small thing, and people who wanted it can now get it.
You didn't have to work for it in game to earn it either, you just had to preorder EW during that period. It's not an accomplishment. I don't think scarcity on an earring from 4 years ago is worth getting upset for.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

It doesnt matter how usefull or old this item is or even how many use it. So my question is why not just make an item, a fresh one with the same buff ? I know now its to late for it but idk it feels scammy to see how this game offers old reused items for 7$ putting in 0 work into it and just take away the rarity of an pre order item. Think about it before posting BuT nEw PlAyErS.

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It absolutely does matter actually. All it does is giving you an XP buff that stops at level 80. Not even 90+, 80. Aside from the original design, it absolutely is an outdated item. On top of that, it encourages players not to use leveling/story skips and actually play and access the content faster. There is no negatives to this.

I don't mind others having access to Menphina's earring, but I can understand the disappointment. If you think of pre-order earrings as a memento of a specific moment in time (in this case, the end of ShB and taking part in EW's early access), seeing them randomly pop up later, stripped of meaning, cheapens the memento.

I forgot all about those earrings as soon as I outleveled them. Let new people enjoy them, I say.

This coming out around the same time Yoshi-P is asking players "not to retire" reeks of desperation. I would have to guess subscriptions have dropped rather heavily these last few months and revenue has taken a big hit.

They deserve to hurt with how badly they've been handling the game. Maybe they'll get their act together finally.

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Originally Posted by MisterNublet

This coming out around the same time Yoshi-P is asking players "not to retire" reeks of desperation. I would have to guess subscriptions have dropped rather heavily these last few months and revenue has taken a big hit.

They deserve to hurt with how badly they've been handling the game. Maybe they'll get their act together finally.

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When you've made your multiplayer online rpg all about the one-and-done singleplayer story content for years, and then wonder why the people you've been marketing to are leaving when that story content isn't very good, imagine my shock.

I have the earring from the Endwalker pre-order, I don't have a problem with them selling it again years later. I got all my use out of it and so did probably everyone else who has it. That kind of item exclusivity shouldn't be permanent.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

If you take away something limited from players which makes an item less rare they will be upset.

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On the other hand, calling these pre-order bonuses "rare and limited" is entirely on the playerbase. They've never been advertised as anything other than "pre-order bonuses", never a mention of them being "absolutely limited, never obtainable ever again".
(Not to mention that these earrings are hardly rare anyway, with at least half a million characters having them lol)

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

On the other hand, calling these pre-order bonuses "rare and limited" is entirely on the playerbase. They've never been advertised as anything other than "pre-order bonuses", never a mention of them being "absolutely limited, never obtainable ever again".
(Not to mention that these earrings are hardly rare anyway, with at least half a million characters having them lol)

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While I don’t care for the earrings becoming available I can actually understand people being upset.
It’s like a smaller version of the veteran rewards becoming available for everyone.
It was a sign of “look, I play this game for a long time now” and no matter how important that is people are proud of this stuff.

I agree with another comment that they should have just made something different like a ring with the same effect.
Just leave people some form of acknowledgement for sticking with this game for years instead of just developing for new players nowadays.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

This looks like something that should be in free to play game not a game you have to buy and then pay monthly

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Yet we have had the same price sub for the past 10 years. So what's the issue if things like this keep costs down for us?

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Originally Posted by MisterNublet

This coming out around the same time Yoshi-P is asking players "not to retire" reeks of desperation. I would have to guess subscriptions have dropped rather heavily these last few months and revenue has taken a big hit.

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I'm curious how people think that an item set clearly aimed entirely at new players is supposed to help them keep subscriptions from long-term players who would have little to no use for level 80 earrings anyway.

This isn't aimed at you specifically, it's just something I keep seeing in this thread and you're the latest person to post it. I just don't get the logic behind the idea.

And because I know how this forum is, I feel like I must point out: I'm not defending the bundle, or the cash shop in general. I can just.....walk away and not care about it. I'm just curious.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Yet we have had the same price sub for the past 10 years. So what's the issue if things like this keep costs down for us?

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An incredibly good, and oft overlooked, point!

I wouldn't think bad not gonna lie because those used the be I think endwalker preorder bonuses (not sure it is endwalker correct me if wrong) I think it's mostly to catch up fast for people that aren't on dynamis and for what it give I do think it's also fairly cheap.

it also isn't targeted for endgame player unless they have lv1 class/job still.

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

I wouldn't think bad not gonna lie because those used the be I think endwalker preorder bonuses (not sure it is endwalker correct me if wrong) I think it's mostly to catch up fast for people that aren't on dynamis and for what it give I do think it's also fairly cheap.

it also isn't targeted for endgame player unless they have lv1 class/job still.

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so why dont make a new item for it ? again noone is against new players getting this exp buff. Hell noone would care then. i know beeing lazy and reuse stuff they have for extra money is the way now but cmon at least try.

I felt reactively grabby about the inclusion of preorder stuff as well, but look at the bright side - I feel less incentive/pressure to even bother pre-ordering the next expac if they're just gonna release some of the items included at a later date ^^

Can't be purchased by my friend on a free trial...

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Yet we have had the same price sub for the past 10 years. So what's the issue if things like this keep costs down for us?

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Tbf, it's not like a price increase would be warranted. They charge you for the newest expansion and they reuse a lot of the older assets. I wouldn't pay more for a sub than what I am paying now.

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Originally Posted by PaulusHamsteru

Tbf, it's not like a price increase would be warranted. They charge you for the newest expansion and they reuse a lot of the older assets. I wouldn't pay more for a sub than what I am paying now.

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LMAO sure dude cause overheads have not gone up in that last 10 years which is the same for majority of games out there. As for the earring a large amount of the playerbase don't even use it anymore, as they have all their classes at 100 and unless SE does a level roll back they never will.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

I have the feeling that this is just the beginning. What will be next? And the far better Question is, why should we preorder Expansions in the Future, if SE is throwing Pre Order Items for cheap into the Shop?

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you pre-order to play early.

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Originally Posted by YISUG

you pre-order to play early.

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Nope I pre-order for the Items.

This won't help keep new players, when dungeons and other instances feel weak, noone will want to stay, they need to adjust tanks, make tanks sweat and give healers something to do. Throw in some zone cleaves.

Huh? My man/woman/individual... a single fantasia costs the same, and you're getting a bunch of extras that are account wide.

This is a fantastic deal. Am I gonna buy it? No, but this is so much value compared to how over-priced some of the stuff in Mog Station usually is.

I think it's a pretty good deal as I've seen the ear-rings previously and been jealous I couldn't get them. Throw in an account-wide fantasia too, and it's a decent sell for it's price (especially compared to other listings).

I don't think it'll help any players out & attract newcomers etc, but I'm sure it'll sell quite a bit anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Nope I pre-order for the Items.

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You must be the only one then. Also, preordering costs nothing, so it’s not like you are paying extra.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

so why dont make a new item for it ? again noone is against new players getting this exp buff. Hell noone would care then. i know beeing lazy and reuse stuff they have for extra money is the way now but cmon at least try.

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Because who cares outside of a handful of you here on the forums, many of which are likely just trolling for the luls. Nearly the entire cash shop is made up of event items that are no longer available in the game. Where is the rage about that? Shouldn't that stuff also be exclusive? Most of it is made to literally be exclusive to events that will never happen again. Yet I don't see anyone clutching their heads, falling to their knees and screaming into the heavens about their broom mount or egg helm. Why is this one earring, that was never stated or meant to be exclusive in the first place, such a point of contention?

It literally make zero sense and is such a weird thing to get up in arms about.

Genuinely fantastic to see Pre-Order items not be an exclusive thing anymore, this unironically is a consumer win right here compared to some of the other things for sale.
Now the bundle is not really appealing to me but it's a nice thing for new players, including some very popular emotes and a fantasia. Good, harmless stuff.
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What?
You're telling me a bunch of people in this thread are drawing the line in the sand right here?
Not at:

• Extra Retainers?
• Level Boosts?
• Early Access to Expansions?

Seriously? You guys are absolutely ridiculous.
I am infinitely gladdened to see Pre-Order bonuses available in any capacity to a wider base. Truly one of the worse practices in my opinion.
A Pre-Order is a bonus in itself; There should be no incentive other than guaranteeing the product being available to you upon its launch.

I can’t be arsed to find it on the internet archive, but if the word exclusive was used then it’s probably a bit dodgy no matter how minor you think it is.

I can also dislike everything on the store on principle if I want, the fomo event rewards are probably the thing that annoy me the most.

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Originally Posted by AlysanneVrannai

What?
You're telling me a bunch of people in this thread are drawing the line in the sand right here?
Not at:

• Extra Retainers?
• Level Boosts?
• Early Access to Expansions?

Seriously? You guys are absolutely ridiculous.
I am infinitely gladdened to see Pre-Order bonuses available in any capacity to a wider base. Truly one of the worse practices in my opinion.
A Pre-Order is a bonus in itself; There should be no incentive other than guaranteeing the product being available to you upon its launch.

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I hate all of that. And early access to expansions is a joke. You can buy it a few days "before" release and play it just normally. There is no difference between that and the actual release date.

I could not care less about the earring, I think locking the exp earrings behind pre-ordering and making them unavailable for the next two years is bad practice. I also hate that they lock iconic Final Fantasy charcters behind the pre-order, like the Zidane minion.

On the other hand I do care about the Cait Sith pet. That's my "legacy mark", the proof I am here since ARR release. Too bad Cait Sith is an iconic FF character as well, so I am conflicted.

So I do like exclusive items to some degree. But it is difficult. So better draw the line here as well.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You must be the only one then. Also, preordering costs nothing, so it’s not like you are paying extra.

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Firstly I dont care about them giving away the item. Although your argument is flawed that people don't just for the preorder bonus I for one did, as I wanted the items but I wasnt even going to be able to play with being away from home. I'm sure there is a high amount out there that was too busy with work/homelife etc.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

I can’t be arsed to find it on the internet archive, but if the word exclusive was used then it’s probably a bit dodgy no matter how minor you think it is.

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Why? It's still exclusive to people who pay extra money or who preordered.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

I have the feeling that this is just the beginning. What will be next? And the far better Question is, why should we preorder Expansions in the Future, if SE is throwing Pre Order Items for cheap into the Shop?

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You pre-order so that you can use that +30% bonus leveling jobs to max level two to three months before the release of the new expansion. You pre-order so that you can start playing the new expansion on the weekend before the expansion goes "live". You pre-order because you're a completionist when it comes to collecting minions.

If you pre-order for none of these reasons, you might as well not pre-order your next expansion.

The only folks who could be complaining loudly are the goldsmiths out there who can no longer sell HQ earrings from levels 1 through 80. Since I am positive that this new item for sale will not get every single new player to buy it, I can safely say even the goldsmiths shouldn't complain too much.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

LMAO sure dude cause overheads have not gone up in that last 10 years which is the same for majority of games out there. As for the earring a large amount of the playerbase don't even use it anymore, as they have all their classes at 100 and unless SE does a level roll back they never will.

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Has WoW ever raised their sub prices?