FFXIV Dawntrail reviews are out on Metacritic

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

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Pretty sad really people will stoop to this.

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

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Zero is a bit harsh, I'd give it a high 6.

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

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Bro, the 10/10 are just as pointless as the 0/10 reviews. Those are either written by fans that gobble everything up however bad it may be and will even ask for more, or haters who will rate it as bad as possible, no matter how good it is. Those scores are pointless.

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

Bro, the 10/10 are just as pointless as the 0/10 reviews. Those are either written by fans that gobble everything up however bad it may be and will even ask for more, or haters who will rate it as bad as possible, no matter how good it is. Those scores are pointless.

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I agree, using Metacritic at all as any honest metric is pointless

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

Typically in reviews the reviewer is expected to play through the game in order to give a review. If I skipped all the cut scenes but only reviewed the end game content that wouldn't be a fair review either. I'm not saying they have to go out and clear an ultimate to judge the expansion, but at least expecting people to see the normal raids is fair. Even the most casual player will likely be doing the first normal raids.

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Oh yeah, I don't count normal raids or ex dungeons as "high end content". I thought you meant stuff like savage raids.

And yes, Metacritic is useless because people are stupid and will just gave the game a 0 or a 10 in an endless tug of war with each other, regardless of how good the game actually is. Steam reviews are at least a little more accurate because reviewers tend to try to justify their views instead of getting tripped up on the numbers.

Story plot is weak and really annoying to see Wuk as a weak leadership and absolutely 0 vengence. Krile's part on the last city is also poorly scripted. Like a high school reunion...

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

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You can do the same with the 10 scores, and I can find plenty of 0 reviews that are well written, as I've said before, these average out.
You are just mad some people dont agree with you.

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Originally Posted by ChloeBamco

Krile's part on the last city is also poorly scripted. Like a high school reunion...

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I also completely failed to make any sort of emotional connection to Krile's reunion.

They had a chance to really reel us in with some good heartfelt dialogue between her and her parents, and instead we have them awkwardly sitting in silence. You have nothing to say Krile? Nothing to ask? Nope. Instead we have Graha pull up and scarf down ice cream to make them giggle like a bunch of children before the screen FADES TO BLACK. What the hell? Were none of the writers confident enough to even try writing actual dialogue between them?

"Go learn about the history of our people in that museum. We'll just follow at a distance so you don't have to make conversation with us. I'm sure there's no additional information we could add anyway."
"Oh cool, thanks. See ya, mom and dad."

"Oh by the way, your name is Maya."
"Oh cool, thanks. I'm gonna go erase you from existence now, bye."

In any case, all of the blind fans can relax, metacritic is known to remove negative reviews at the request of the devs, the score will go up to 8-9 in a month or two, all of the 0 will be removed regardless of content and the 10's will stay up.

Steam reviews will keep it at 60%ish.

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Originally Posted by DaveFishnomer

You can do the same with the 10 scores, and I can find plenty of 0 reviews that are well written, as I've said before, these average out.
You are just mad some people dont agree with you.

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Nice strawman. Nice assumptions. If you read the thread you would see that I said I agree there are 10 scores that are not actual reviews. And if you read the reviews in the picture I linked you would see why I chose them

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

Nice strawman. Nice assumptions. If you read the thread you would see that I said I agree there are 10 scores that are not actual reviews. And if you read the reviews in the picture I linked you would see why I chose them

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I'm not sure you know what a strawman is, as I did not use one.
I did use an assumption, but it is an educated one, there are models that help predict user bias in these kind of polls, statistically they will average out with a small bias to one side, cant know which but it will likely be insignificant, less than 5%.
Unfortunately I cant find a way to get all scores from metacritic or I would run a script that would actually check it out :shrug:

remember people, if someone else is leaving a review based on their feeling and enjoyment it is neither a positive or negative review bomb, they just score on a different scale that you would, but you are free to leave your own review and show them how its done.

you can not like someone else's review and it still be a valid review, even if they dont like an aspect you find appealing. their review might speak to people of a other mind just as your may also, only speak what you believe to be true and and allow others to give voice to their truth.

and no people disagreeing with you are not bots, but yes company's are know for paying bot firms to review their games/movies/shows, rotten tomato critics are generally 20$ to 50$ per "glowing" critic review for instance.

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

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congratulations, you found the dozen anti-woke reviews out of the hundreds of normal reviews

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

I agree, using Metacritic at all as any honest metric is pointless

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please stop lmao, people will say "use steam reviews" and you'll find another excuse

then "look at the forums" and you'll find another excuse on why the forums are too negative

then "see what people are saying on gamefaqs" and you'll say gamefaqs is too boomer

no one can win with you folks, but people aren't so stupid they can't tell what kind of tactics you are using

if SE made an official survey you will still manage to find a way to spin.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

congratulations, you found the dozen anti-woke reviews out of the hundreds of normal reviews



please stop lmao, people will say "use steam reviews" and you'll find another excuse

then "look at the forums" and you'll find another excuse on why the forums are too negative

then "see what people are saying on gamefaqs" and you'll say gamefaqs is too boomer

no one can win with you folks, but people aren't so stupid they can't tell what kind of tactics you are using

if SE made an official survey you will still manage to find a way to spin.

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You know nothing of my opinion on Dawntrail.

Personally i don't think review bombing exists unless a singular person is contributing more than 1 review, You may not agree or like a 0/10 or a 10/10, and as dumb as those people are not to take a better assessment of what they're reviewing, they're just as entitled to their review as anyone else.

If you actually take an honest look at the 0 score reviews you would see that yes, a lot are just "woke is bad lol" but most are actually well written with solid reasoning.

In contrast, if you take an honest look at the 10 scores, you will see a lot of "This deserves a 6 but I'm gonna write 10 because I love xiv for-ever!" but most are actually well written with solid reasoning.

As in everything that is opinion based, both sides have assholes, and both sides have a legit personal opinion, trying to stick to one-side and say they are faking it is cruel and dismissive of others experience.

Endwalker and Shadowbringers scored higher? To me those were the worst two expansions this game has ever had. I'm almost finished with Dawntrail and I'm loving it, but then again I took the time to actually read it and enjoy it.

You used to be able to rate user reviews as helpful/non-helpful on there. Guess that's gone now.

Yet another bizarrely-modernized website layout. Gotta have those curved edges and matte colors.

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Originally Posted by thereal_aliceanders

then again I took the time to actually read it...

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Ok and everyone else also read it. You are not special for being able to read a story written for four year olds.

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

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There are also a bunch of people giving a 10, which is honestly doesn't deserve either... But personally, I'd say it's about 5 or 6 out 10.

Visuals and the music are great, although the graphics update on characters kinda changed some things for worse.
Combat is ok but has issues that they didn't really address, the healer strike is somewhat of a thing for genuine reasons.
The story and the characters are where the expansion failed the hardest. Just about the only really well written character to be introduced in the expansion was Bakuul Ja Ja but he's not even in the second half of the expansion...

On the one hand, The story is meant to be the primary part of the game. It gates all optional progression, and the credits roll after finishing it.
But there's more to just an expansion than it's story. If I were to rate Dawntrail, I would give the story a 4/10, but the gameplay (so far as I've seen. Normal mode dungeons and trials) I'd give it 9/10.
That's what makes it so hard to rank an MMO. We haven't seen the raid series, or savage. We haven't seen the rest of the features like the beast tribes, cosmic exploration, the new deep dungeon, Beastmaster, or even the rest of the story in the 7.X patches.

That's why it's so odd to look at review scores for any indication of the expansion's quality. If Shadowbringers had terrible savage raids and extreme trials, I probably wouldn't rate it as highly as I do, but that lower score doesn't mean that it's an issue on the story itself.

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

On the one hand, The story is meant to be the primary part of the game. It gates all optional progression, and the credits roll after finishing it.
But there's more to just an expansion than it's story. If I were to rate Dawntrail, I would give the story a 4/10, but the gameplay (so far as I've seen. Normal mode dungeons and trials) I'd give it 9/10.
That's what makes it so hard to rank an MMO. We haven't seen the raid series, or savage. We haven't seen the rest of the features like the beast tribes, cosmic exploration, the new deep dungeon, Beastmaster, or even the rest of the story in the 7.X patches.

That's why it's so odd to look at review scores for any indication of the expansion's quality. If Shadowbringers had terrible savage raids and extreme trials, I probably wouldn't rate it as highly as I do, but that lower score doesn't mean that it's an issue on the story itself.

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Yeah, we really should have a more in-depth way to rate the expansion on those sites.
I still recommend this expansion as I am cautiously optimistic on the future battle content, as we will be doing it in the coming months. But if everything turns out to be EW Rubicante style of difficulty, then yeah... no.

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Originally Posted by thereal_aliceanders

Endwalker and Shadowbringers scored higher? To me those were the worst two expansions this game has ever had. I'm almost finished with Dawntrail and I'm loving it, but then again I took the time to actually read it and enjoy it.

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It's ok to enjoy bad writing. You do you, king.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Ok and everyone else also read it. You are not special for being able to read a story written for four year olds.

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And I wouldn't have thought a "story for four year olds" would warrant a comprehensive list of other people's criticisms about it, but here we are.

I really think there is a limit to how much can be drawn from critic scores of exclusively the x.0 patch

The best example of this is EW. I personally have massive problems with EW’s story (elpis looking at you) but also acknowledge that to the wider community it’s mostly beloved and considering they had 12 years of lore to tie up its 95% correct

However EW’s patches are unmitigated garbage from a story and an MMO perspective. The raids are poor, the trials are middling, the complete lack of other content is bad and the story is filler

ShB and SB deserve the higher ranking because ShB combined a fantastic story with generally good content and SB combined an okay story with easily the best content we have ever gotten

It’s hard to rank DT right now because while the story is barely a 6-7 in my eyes even accounting for the lack of gear everyone has the battle content we have so far looks to be headed in the right direction and we are set to get more content than any expansion except maybe SB.

I think DT will end up falling like SB, not the best not the worst story but beloved based on its content which won’t get reflected here because EW doesn’t get clowned on for its lack of content in these scores

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

User Score - 6.9 based on 662 user ratings
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Citizen, the user score is now down to 6.6 which I'd say is an accurate score for a story of this caliber.





For duty and valor.

Been interesting to read through the japanese reviews posted on Metacritic. It certainly demonstrates that the dislike for Wuk Lamat has little to do with the VA and nothing at all to do with transphobia. They all repeat the exact same criticism points about the character (even calling her Mary Sue) and expansion in general, even though they didn't play with the English audio.

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Originally Posted by duckorz

I think a 6 is pretty fair. 3/10 story, 9/10 gameplay.

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3/10 story is what you give Cars on the PS2. I can't believe such an knee-jerk exaggeration is the an actual opinion around here. I don't hate this game that much that i think a story that is bad by FFXIV standards is freaking 3/10.

This thread is a perfect example of what people think about the forums but in actuality: full of over-dramatic doomposters who whine all day

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Citizen, the user score is now down to 6.6 which I'd say is an accurate score for a story of this caliber.


For duty and valor.

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You have to grade not just the story to be fair. You have to also grade the battle content and new features.

Also on behalf of everyone on primal, the weeb police is not funny

Steam reviews are misleading because half the upvotes are people upvoting just to spite the people who didn't like the game.
People upvoting an expansion to tell the people downvoting it why they're wrong aren't really coming from a place of good faith.
It's rating is more around 50%

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

You have to grade not just the story to be fair. You have to also grade the battle content and new features.

Also on behalf of everyone on primal, the weeb police is not funny

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That's what people do though. Read more threads and many say that the rest of the game is fine.
For me DT is a 6 or 7/10 for example.
The thing is though that in ff14 the MSQ gets a different weighting compared to other content from players. It's the one thing this game prides itself on.
That's why you see so much negativ feedback.
Most also give feedback why they didn't like the story and many cite Wuk Lamat as the reason, most of them the overshadowing of her presense.

The story is no trainwreck in my opinion. It has a solid foundation but really bad execution. So I would rate the MSQ itself only a 4, the reason being that I really had to force myself to finish it.
A story that does that is no more then mediocre and a 5 for example is here a good rating. I give it a 4 because I weight it more heavely though.

It's all just an opinion thing in the end but nontheless many players are not satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

You have to grade not just the story to be fair. You have to also grade the battle content and new features.

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You don't have to do anything. Customers are just that - customers. They pay for a product, receive a product of variable quality and have some sort of an opinion on it. They are not critics, not journalists, not judges, nor referees. They have no obligation to be objective or unbiased. They have different tastes and values, belong to different wealth classes, etc.

In practice - one customer may play ffxiv primarily for raiding, mostly skip the story anyways, and also be pretty well off financially, to a point where the expansion price is peanuts to them. They don't have to grade the story. To them Dawntrail might as well be 10/10. Another customer may play ffxiv purely for the story, unsub once they get through the MSQ and/or patches, and also might have saved for a year just to get this expansion. Also they could be playing on Xbox and having issues with performance. They don't have to grade the battle content or "new features." To them Dawntrail might as well be 0/10.

Reviews will never be fair, objective or unbiased. Never. Not the 10/10 reviews. Not the 0/10 reviews. And not even the 7/10 reviews. We are not machines. We are emotional and biased beings.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

You have to grade not just the story to be fair. You have to also grade the battle content and new features.

Also on behalf of everyone on primal, the weeb police is not funny

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Ah yes. The battle content. The completely lackluster jobs that haven't been fun since Stormblood, the snoozefest dungeons that still don't require healing, and, if you're antisocial, the completely trash trust system.

And, oh yes. The new "features". Graphical updates that broke most of our characters' defining traits, and a blacklist style that still hasn't caught up with the present millennium.

I'm still seeing zeros all around on this pathetic expansion.

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Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa

You don't have to do anything. Customers are just that - customers. They pay for a product, receive a product of variable quality and have some sort of an opinion on it. They are not critics, not journalists, not judges, nor referees. They have no obligation to be objective or unbiased. They have different tastes and values, belong to different wealth classes, etc.

In practice - one customer may play ffxiv primarily for raiding, mostly skip the story anyways, and also be pretty well off financially, to a point where the expansion price is peanuts to them. They don't have to grade the story. To them Dawntrail might as well be 10/10. Another customer may play ffxiv purely for the story, unsub once they get through the MSQ and/or patches, and also might have saved for a year just to get this expansion. Also they could be playing on Xbox and having issues with performance. They don't have to grade the battle content or "new features." To them Dawntrail might as well be 0/10.

Reviews will never be fair, objective or unbiased. Never. Not the 10/10 reviews. Not the 0/10 reviews. And not even the 7/10 reviews. We are not machines. We are emotional and biased beings.

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Okay? Consumer reviews should still be done in good faith. No one is saying you need to do a roger ebert-level dissertation in a user review, what I am asking for is pretty basic. You can't even play through the MSQ without interacting with the battle content. If you made a Yelp review on a restaurant and the pasta was a 5/10 so you decided to give the entire restaurant a 5/10 even though the salad and the burger were 8/10 then that is being unfair

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Ah yes. The battle content. The completely lackluster jobs that haven't been fun since Stormblood, the snoozefest dungeons that still don't require healing, and, if you're antisocial, the completely trash trust system.

And, oh yes. The new "features". Graphical updates that broke most of our characters' defining traits, and a blacklist style that still hasn't caught up with the present millennium.

I'm still seeing zeros all around on this pathetic expansion.

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This post is comedic. All it needs is a deep-fried giant frowning emoji to make it perfect. Underneath the theatrics there are legitimate criticisms. Like I agree that healer design needs work, but to piggy back off of that to dismiss the entire dungeon and encounter design which the majority of the playerbase has praised?

And if we're talking jobs, I think Viper and Picto bode well for future jobs.

the graphic update came with some issues, but saying it broke most character's looks is a complete exaggeration and they have been pretty good about responding to feedback on it. Most people liked the upgrade their character's got. It was never going to be seamless.

If you hate the game this much why are you even here? Why did you sink 40 bucks into it?

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

This post is comedic. All it needs is a deep-fried giant frowning emoji to make it perfect. Underneath the theatrics there are legitimate criticisms. Like I agree that healer design needs work, but to piggy back off of that to dismiss the entire dungeon and encounter design which the majority of the playerbase has praised?

And if we're talking jobs, I think Viper and Picto bode well for future jobs.

the graphic update came with some issues, but saying it broke most character's looks is a complete exaggeration and they have been pretty good about responding to feedback on it. Most people liked the upgrade their character's got. It was never going to be seamless.

If you hate the game this much why are you even here? Why did you sink 40 bucks into it?

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Nobody is praising the same boring dungeon designs we've had for years. I was very specific to point out the DUNGEONS.

Your precious Viper is already on the chopping block, because a slight amount of skill required was detected by the dev team.

And go ask Lalas and Roes about their smudges. Also, for some reason, mine is turbo jacked, which if I wasn't okay with, would have destroyed my character for me.

And I'm here for the same reason that everyone else here is. Because we enjoyed the game, and don't see the reason to quit it because this expansion just happens to be a meth dumpster fire.

Who even are any of those outlets except for Jeuxvideo, which incidentally gave it a 85 which is still a good score.

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

Also on behalf of everyone on primal, the weeb police is not funny

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