What is the point of playing tank other than warrior?

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

People complain about War because it's the best solution to every tank problem, and you guys (yes, YOU included) cry any time another tank finds a niche.

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Being the strongest tank 3 patches in a row isn't really an interesting or good niche.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

But they didnt do anything that actually helped WAR in that situation, they buffed fell cleave.

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I'm not saying that WAR needed help with Abyssos mechanics, I'm saying that Abyssos mechanics show that WAR's mitigation/healing/invuln is actually balanced when the devs don't just put the simplest tank mechanics into a fight and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by Metricasc

holmgang being a 4 mins cooldown allows the WAR to get extra uses of their invuln compared to the other 3 tanks overall. take DSR for example, a 16-20 min fight (in a scenario of a 3-3-2 towers and cauterize invulns):

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And yet people still chose DRK and GNB over WAR in DSR. I guess extra uses of Holmgang don't actually make much of a difference there, because anything that you can invuln in this game can be easily mitigated.

Anyone else miss when Shake it Off was just an AOE Esuna?
I kinda do.

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Originally Posted by Launched

I'm not saying that WAR needed help with Abyssos mechanics, I'm saying that Abyssos mechanics show that WAR's mitigation/healing/invuln is actually balanced when the devs don't just put the simplest tank mechanics into a fight and call it a day.

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My take away from Abyssos was more of "why don't they just nerf holmgang rather than design an entire tier around it"

And the tier was basically designed to be Anti-WAR after WAR was extremely unbalanced in Asphodelos, allowing for on content solo tanking due to holmgang and kitchen sinking of P1 and P2. So yeah I guess if they keep designing the entire game to be anti-war then WAR is balanced.
but a sane dev team would just you know, nerf holmgang.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

My take away from Abyssos was more of "why don't they just nerf holmgang rather than design an entire tier around it"

And the tier was basically designed to be Anti-WAR after WAR was extremely unbalanced in Asphodelos, allowing for on content solo tanking due to holmgang and kitchen sinking of P1 and P2. So yeah I guess if they keep designing the entire game to be anti-war then WAR is balanced.
but a sane dev team would just you know, nerf holmgang.

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tanks are beyond salvation.. either we have to rework tanks or rework healers

Or rework the designer team

The point is to enjoy the unique experiences of each different class.
Warrior wasn't able to do end game content in the beginning. It was the worst class ever and all my friends were like "no stay warrior, it's the most rare class on the server!" This was ages ago obviously.
So maybe it's a little harder to clear content on another class, but at the very least you 'can' clear it these days. In my book, that's a win, to not have content locked out to certain classes.

I completely stopped playing WAR in EW it never was my favorite thank before but I enjoy the job it was thriling before but the over healing really killed it for me I don't know how to really explain it but basically now WAR feel empty you pratically can't die in normal content and if you healer die solo the whole thing. I will be honest when I tank I love to prepare myself to get destroyed that why I love DRK with DRK you are not allowed to make mistake even in simple content the trhill of tanking is seeying your Health go down and trying your best to save time for your healers to get you but with WAR you don't have that and thats what kiled the job for me I used to love it in Shadowbringer

I even did a solo lv86 rank A hunt in Elpis with WAR I wanted the Nuts and well I do not enjoy the company of others so I decided it for once I will take WAR took me like 10min to kill but i never feared for my life during the fight

(Fun fact after it died literally 10sec after there was a Hunt train that arrived and decided to school me because I snipe their target. I didn't know it was a thing but holy s that was funny)

I hate playing WAR. Its braindead easy but now literally has everything you could want in a tank. I am actually happy for WAR mains. Because it seems like the devs are listening to them giving them just about everything they want. PLD mains still over here waiting on cover changes and button bloat fixes. GNBs finally getting some recognition in terms of their concerns. And devs pretty much forgot DRK exists.

If you look at WAR and what it has. There is a reason why it is the top selling job booster on the mogstation.

Party healing
Self healing
Self shielding
Party shielding
Lowest cooldown on invuln
2nd highest damage
Easiest rotation

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Originally Posted by Tunda

What is the point of playing tank other than warrior?
Simple + mitigation + max hp raised + straight up healing + life steal


I would like to know other people opinion

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As a DRK main:
Aesthetics
Burst damage in dungeons
Letting healers feel appreciated
Personal gratification from playing a slightly harder tank

To have fun? lol

play what you enjoy dude, balance doesn't matter till high end

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Originally Posted by Zaytex

To have fun? lol

play what you enjoy dude, balance doesn't matter till high end

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Have fun playing a direct downgrade of War.
This shouldn't even be a thing.. It's a refusal to balance the game. But go wild i guess.

I mean...WAR is great for dungeons...k? We generally don't know what the meta is dps wise until it gets figured out. People are forgetting DRK and GNB was the meta all last expansion and in Endwalker WAR was the worst tank in terms of Savage and Ultimate scene. WAR has far less buttons to hit but less to learn and optimize vs the other tanks.

I kind of hate how a Warrior can hold an entire dungeon boss hostage by soloing it from however much HP it has to 0, especially since all you can really do it wait 5-10 mins for them to kill the thing because they have such ridiculous sustain they won't have any trouble keeping themselves alive.

I know it's been a thing in past xpacs too, but it's just ridiculous nonetheless

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

I kind of hate how a Warrior can hold an entire dungeon boss hostage by soloing it from however much HP it has to 0, especially since all you can really do it wait 5-10 mins for them to kill the thing because they have such ridiculous sustain they won't have any trouble keeping themselves alive.

I know it's been a thing in past xpacs too, but it's just ridiculous nonetheless

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All the tanks could do that minus DRK last expansion. For the longest time during Stormblood it was actually paladins that had the better sustain since SE removed bloodbath from warrior and only gave them equilibrium that needed to crit to get a decent heal.

Yeah being able to solo dungeon bosses isn't exclusive to WAR. It's not as faceroll but it's pretty easy with Paladin and Gunbreaker.

They just wanted to reinforce the fact that Warrior is the main character's job for Dawntrail. They even give you a sample experience of the simplistic gameplay and auto-heals, in case you weren't convinced by that prospect alone.

Most tanks plays the same.. except warrior which plays good feels good

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Originally Posted by Conando

Yeah being able to solo dungeon bosses isn't exclusive to WAR. It's not as faceroll but it's pretty easy with Paladin and Gunbreaker.

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Ultimately it's a self-healing issue. Tanks should only be able to delay their deaths to a boss, not outheal an entire boss worth of damage.

It's just really stupid how every other role is "If you make a mistake and eat 2 AoEs at a time, you're dead" but tank is "I can eat as many AoEs as I want and I have an invuln and a healer to bail me out"

Tank is basically easy mode on mechanics, Healer is easy mode on rotation, DPS is normal difficulty on both.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

They just wanted to reinforce the fact that Warrior is the main character's job for Dawntrail. They even give you a sample experience of the simplistic gameplay and auto-heals, in case you weren't convinced by that prospect alone.

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With all the blowback in General Discussion, I wouldn't think that Warrior mains want Wuk Lamat as their exemplar.

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Originally Posted by Conando

Yeah being able to solo dungeon bosses isn't exclusive to WAR. It's not as faceroll but it's pretty easy with Paladin and Gunbreaker.

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You can do it quite easily on DRK as well, especially with proper use of Shadowed Vigil and Living Dead

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Ultimately it's a self-healing issue. Tanks should only be able to delay their deaths to a boss, not outheal an entire boss worth of damage.

It's just really stupid how every other role is "If you make a mistake and eat 2 AoEs at a time, you're dead" but tank is "I can eat as many AoEs as I want and I have an invuln and a healer to bail me out"

Tank is basically easy mode on mechanics, Healer is easy mode on rotation, DPS is normal difficulty on both.

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This screams salty for some reason. You are complaining about people eating aoes in a dungeon. Oh gawd the humanity that casual content doesn't kill the tank immediately with aoes when they use their nuts in a boss fight because SE balances it around the casual players who don't even use cool downs.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

They just wanted to reinforce the fact that Warrior is the main character's job for Dawntrail. They even give you a sample experience of the simplistic gameplay and auto-heals, in case you weren't convinced by that prospect alone.

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What's hillarious is that even War's damage ceiling is now higher than Drk's.
Job balance of all time. They should unironically just delete all the tanks except Warrior at this point and give you a weapon skin of the other jobs.
There is *zero* reason to play anything else. War just holds a monopoly on everything now.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

What's hillarious is that even War's damage ceiling is now higher than Drk's.
Job balance of all time. They should unironically just delete all the tanks except Warrior at this point and give you a weapon skin of the other jobs.
There is *zero* reason to play anything else. War just holds a monopoly on everything now.

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No. GNB is the king of dps right now on tanks. I have no idea about PLD but I was able to clear the test dummy for the ex trial easily on GNB with a mistake at basically fresh lvl 100 with no food only old pot and a piece of the job gear missing. On my War with the same stipulations (minus the missing job gear piece being on the war) it was unable to clear the check with a perfect rotation by like 4%. Drk they just screwed up on its management generation rate and I expect they will add mana to something like carve and spit to compensate for the man's difference.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

The other tanks exist to inflate the ego of War players.

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Nah. Warrior's sole purpose is to make sure the tank forums stay pumped with DRK complaint/rework threads.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

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No. GNB is the king of dps right now on tanks. I have no idea about PLD but I was able to clear the test dummy for the ex trial easily on GNB with a mistake at basically fresh lvl 100 with no food only old pot and a piece of the job gear missing. On my War with the same stipulations (minus the missing job gear piece being on the war) it was unable to clear the check with a perfect rotation by like 4%. Drk they just screwed up on its management generation rate and I expect they will add mana to something like carve and spit to compensate for the man's difference.

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The dps difference between Gnb and War is double digits.
They do the same. Check the trials.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

The dps difference between Gnb and War is double digits.
They do the same. Check the trials.

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LMAO. Check again on FFLOGs buddy. The three tanks of DRK, PLD, AND WAR are all within 100-200 dps of each other while GNB is almost 500 dps or even higher with raid buffs at the top end. Which means the potential of the 3 are similar, while GNB is the king (for a third expansion in arow).

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

This screams salty for some reason. You are complaining about people eating aoes in a dungeon. Oh gawd the humanity that casual content doesn't kill the tank immediately with aoes when they use their nuts in a boss fight because SE balances it around the casual players who don't even use cool downs.

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He not complaining about casual player dying cause they eat an AoE. He right in a sense, in most content, healer and dps can't fail mechanic much whitout dying after 1 or 2 mistake while tank can casually challenge themselves to survive with 4+ vulne stack when they are bored. That gap in defence is so bad in fact that it hard to change anything about overall difficulty for healer in content. The game would benefit from more ''rapid fire'' mechanic that quickly stack vulne.

variety and fun. i enjoy switching them up and playing all of them.

While WAR has ridiculous sustain, there are very few situations where anyone would actually need that much sustain. I prefer GNB because I find it more enjoyable to play. Usually when I die as a tank it's because nothing is gonna keep me up with my six vuln stacks (them DT dungeon bosses be crazy) no matter which tank I play.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Yeah but I am a warrior lover.. but bro warrior got it all no tank can do what this monster can do to boss + mobs

I know some pple like that have shield or a giga chad greatsword.. but gameplay wise no tank can even compete with warrior

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so then WTF are you doing? like "yeahhhh i love my strong job so much im gonna bitch and moan and meme about it so it gets nerfed!" literal 2 brain cell man....

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

He not complaining about casual player dying cause they eat an AoE. He right in a sense, in most content, healer and dps can't fail mechanic much whitout dying after 1 or 2 mistake while tank can casually challenge themselves to survive with 4+ vulne stack when they are bored. That gap in defence is so bad in fact that it hard to change anything about overall difficulty for healer in content. The game would benefit from more ''rapid fire'' mechanic that quickly stack vulne.

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yeahhhh you've never EVER played a healer and it shows, healer is boring AF and incredibly easy, if healers aren't keeping people up with 1 or 2 vuln stacks that's a skill issue because i and many others do it regularly.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Ultimately it's a self-healing issue. Tanks should only be able to delay their deaths to a boss, not outheal an entire boss worth of damage.

It's just really stupid how every other role is "If you make a mistake and eat 2 AoEs at a time, you're dead" but tank is "I can eat as many AoEs as I want and I have an invuln and a healer to bail me out"

Tank is basically easy mode on mechanics, Healer is easy mode on rotation, DPS is normal difficulty on both.

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so this is your first time playing an MMO huh? that's generally how TANKS work when eating damage compared to DAMAGE DEALING NON-TANKS

Yeah that's kind of the point of tanks. If they WERE easy to kill, wipes would happen entirely too often. Like suggesting Vuln Ups kill a tank faster too means that basically everything would one shot a DPS.

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Originally Posted by Conando

Yeah that's kind of the point of tanks. If they WERE easy to kill, wipes would happen entirely too often. Like suggesting Vuln Ups kill a tank faster too means that basically everything would one shot a DPS.

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Theirs a difference from being defensively strong and almost immortal, Tanks are leaning too much towards the side of feeling Immortal.

The main issue i have is more with the tank passive, it leads to tanks feeling less important about cycling mitigations, which I think should be important as Autos don't really hurt enough even when not mitigating.

They just rolled the effects of the various tank stances into that passive, so being that tanky always did exist in some capacity.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

What is the point of playing tank other than warrior?
Simple + mitigation + max hp raised + straight up healing + life steal


I would like to know other people opinion

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I find warriors to be boring. They have some of the best animations imo but it is a slog.

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Originally Posted by Zeeningg

yeahhhh you've never EVER played a healer and it shows, healer is boring AF and incredibly easy, if healers aren't keeping people up with 1 or 2 vuln stacks that's a skill issue because i and many others do it regularly.

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Yea I don't play healer that much but I'm still in the right too. When it come to post Shadowbringer content you ain't keeping DPS with 2 vulne stacks alive, It not about skill or healer knowledge, it just about the fact healer/dps get hit from more than their max hp when they fail a mechanic while having a single vulne stack.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

LMAO. Check again on FFLOGs buddy. The three tanks of DRK, PLD, AND WAR are all within 100-200 dps of each other while GNB is almost 500 dps or even higher with raid buffs at the top end. Which means the potential of the 3 are similar, while GNB is the king (for a third expansion in arow).

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Yeah it updated again, because it was within double digit range, but still. I fail to see what's so funny about it though.
That just means that there is 1 tank that does 1 thing better. Warrior still holds a monopoly on everything else AND is second on dps.
That's still a really, really bad place for the tanks to be at.

I know why they did it but there's still something deeply funny about reading the patch notes and seeing that the only tank that got any potency buffs is Warrior.

Aesthetics, i like the animations for other tanks, plus them having less mitigation than warrior doesnt prevent them from clearing content