2.0 Leveling

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Everyone keeps saying Yoshi is smart for copying WoW. Well, that game is so last decade. If Yoshi was smart he would A) be original or B) copy a current generation MMO.

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What is a "current" gen MMO? They all seem to be derivative of the quest chaining that WOW popularized. GW2 is probably the most unique since it gets rid of the quest hub, but even then almost every quest is 99% kill/collect grindfest.

If anyone has continue to advance the system, I think its Blizzard. There is a nice chunk of non-kill quests and the phasing stuff makes it feel like your actions are really impacting the game world.

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Originally Posted by Madrox

I think this is being taken out of context. I doubt they will remove the possibility of grinding. They sound like they are putting, ore effort and emphasis on group and solo quests.

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It's about making leveling more organic and lively not just a kill 100 of these creatures but rather go through dungeons, do story and do quest to reach your lv. If it's done anything like SWTOR it'll definitely be something to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Madrox

I think this is being taken out of context. I doubt they will remove the possibility of grinding. They sound like they are putting, ore effort and emphasis on group and solo quests.

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Exactly bro! I believe people are taken this: Killing monsters for exp will not work" line and making its really sound like "killing for exp will not happen" That's not how I see it.

I believe that's how he just " feels like most players are feeling to him Kill Marmot 50 times.. kill Raptors 200 times... kill beastman 500 times... I agree it can get boring after awhile.. so to ease up on the repetitiveness, he's working hard to make alot of quests so if you feel like you need to stop and take a break from kill endless amounts of monsters you can.

This is what I believe is to be the case.

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Originally Posted by Airget

It's about making leveling more organic and lively not just a kill 100 of these creatures but rather go through dungeons, do story and do quest to reach your lv. If it's done anything like SWTOR it'll definitely be something to look forward to.

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look how swtor is doing now, they are going to go free to play. Yep, I really want that quality!~

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I'm telling you right now, FFXIV 2.0 will still have Monsters to kill, in an interview back at E3 there was a question as to why there were no monsters? Yoshi-P said they aren't hooked up to any Server so there is nothing be the Character and the surrounding area with no monsters. ( this was when Yoshi-P was on his Laptop showing to the people behind closed doors of 2.0 in its early stages).

There will be Monsters Roaming to kill like normal, just they are adding other means of getting exp besides grinding on mobs all day long. For the people that can't tolerate doing the same thing over and over again.

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I don't think anyone doubts there will be roaming monsters. The fear is that grinding them in a party will no longer be a viable or efficient method of getting exp -- as is the case in every game the uses a quest/instance driven leveling style.

And still doing a million point three times better than FFXIV, the problem that Swotor had/has is a problem that FFXIV needs to address wish is "End game Content"

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Originally Posted by Nazrakin

I don't think anyone doubts there will be roaming monsters. The fear is that grinding them in a party will no longer be a viable or efficient method of getting exp -- as is the case in every game the uses a quest/instance driven leveling style.

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1.0 has been after the Battle changes was Grind off monsters.. Jobs=Party or why bother making jobs?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

1.0 has been after the Battle changes was Grind off monsters.. Jobs=Party or why bother making jobs?

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This is why you don't seem to fully understand SE lol. 2.0 is purely about making money for them and they'll more than likely throw out everything they wanted to do/have been doing to make that money.

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Originally Posted by Nazrakin

What is a "current" gen MMO? They all seem to be derivative of the quest chaining that WOW popularized. GW2 is probably the most unique since it gets rid of the quest hub, but even then almost every quest is 99% kill/collect grindfest.

If anyone has continue to advance the system, I think its Blizzard. There is a nice chunk of non-kill quests and the phasing stuff makes it feel like your actions are really impacting the game world.

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Yes, they're all pretty derivative, but they also attempt to make progress in at least some areas; be it either combat, or dynamic questing, or open worlds; and ArcheAge probably steps away from the mould a lot more than most games. The point is, all those games have some kind of authoratative stance on their MMO whereas Yoshi just panders to the lowest common denominator that wants WoW served on a platter in FFXIV's skin. Only, nobody actually wants that anyway. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

1.0 has been after the Battle changes was Grind off monsters.. Jobs=Party or why bother making jobs?

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Just because mob grinding is going away doesn't mean that all party content is going with it. There will be a strong emphasis on dungeons, as well as a redesign of the behest, caravan systems. I imagine there will also be plenty of group quests as well. Jobs are still relevant without the grinding.

we wont know entirely how the leveling system will be until the promo site goes live, more letters are produced and also visble proof of the new leveling system. but hopefully yoshi will give all types of players many ways to get fair/decent amount of exp. wether its leves, sidequest, dungeous, hamlet defense, main storyline, mob camp partys, etc. With 2.0 being so critical for 14 future forcing players new and old to conform to one method (or maybe two ways) of leveling is insane and will cause outrage along with another failure of the game.


to me multiple ways of getting exp will be the key to 2.0 success, yoshi main goal is to get as many as subscribtions as possible, so if that means having many different forms of getting exp to suit each individual person style/needs thats the route hes gonna have to take. some players have a limited time to play, others players cant grind and do the same repeated process over and over, other players dont wanna be forced into one method of getting exp etc.

Hopefully yoshi will actually take this route since each person can play the game as they feel best, solo or party being able to get exp along with gil, or seals, materials for crafting, or even gear, etc. this all will just put more things in the pro column then having a system designed for one method of getting exp.

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Originally Posted by Nazrakin

Just because mob grinding is going away doesn't mean that all party content is going with it. There will be a strong emphasis on dungeons, as well as a redesign of the behest, caravan systems. I imagine there will also be plenty of group quests as well. Jobs are still relevant without the grinding.

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I'm cool with that tbh, I love grinding.. but I'm sure everyone has their limit to How much one can grind without pulling out their hair. If Mobs are soloable free roam that's cool, I'm sure you could "still party" with them just by venturing out to harder mobs at your level and still get that party aspect feeling.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I'm cool with that tbh, I love grinding.. but I'm sure everyone has their limit to How much one can grind without pulling out their hair. If Mobs are soloable free roam that's cool, I'm sure you could "still party" with them just by venturing out to harder mobs at your level and still get that party aspect feeling.

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whos going to do that if leveling is 100xs easier with quests?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

whos going to do that if leveling is 100xs easier with quests?

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People that enjoy it ? wish are the vast minority of the MMO Community.

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

People that enjoy it ? wish are the vast minority of the MMO Community.

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you don't get it, people will take the path of least resistance, even I.

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Originally Posted by Airget

It's about making leveling more organic and lively not just a kill 100 of these creatures but rather go through dungeons, do story and do quest to reach your lv. If it's done anything like SWTOR it'll definitely be something to look forward to.

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If this game is done in any way shape or form like SWTOR. I'm done.

Luckily, even Yoshida didn't like that game.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

whos going to do that if leveling is 100xs easier with quests?

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Which brings me to the thread of "Fatigue..." I want to slow down progression of exp" Why would anyone want to do that, when everyone else can get Normal Exp and get their Faster? hmmm...

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Originally Posted by Rokien

you don't get it, people will take the path of least resistance, even I.

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Then what do you want SE to do ? Carter to the minority or the majority ? Raids and NM are all party content, always have always will, you got your content, let the casuals have the leveling content, plus dungeons and low level NM will be party content, unless you can solo a dungeon of your level, wish would be a bad idea lol

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

People that enjoy it ? wish are the vast minority of the MMO Community.

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Have you done...any content in FFXIV? lol. Whatever is the easiest thing to do people will do it.

Read: Garuda BLM exploit
Stacking BLM/BRD on everything
Excluding Melee
WHMs not knowing how to heal anyone but a tank even if they don't need healing.

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Then what do you want SE to do ? Carter to the minority or the majority ? Raids and NM are all party content, always have always will, you got your content, let the casuals have the leveling content, plus dungeons and low level NM will be party content, unless you can solo a dungeon of your level, wish would be a bad idea lol

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please refer to one of my many open world threads...... that's all I will say.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Yes, they're all pretty derivative, but they also attempt to make progress in at least some areas; be it either combat, or dynamic questing, or open worlds; and ArcheAge probably steps away from the mould a lot more than most games. The point is, all those games have some kind of authoratative stance on their MMO whereas Yoshi just panders to the lowest common denominator that wants WoW served on a platter in FFXIV's skin. Only, nobody actually wants that anyway. Lol.

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We don't know enough details about leveling in 2.0 to make that determination. All we know is that it will be quest driven and faster than what we have now -- a description that would fit any other game mentioned in this thread.

I do agree that no body wants a "World of Final Fantasycraft"; I've said as much in other threads. However, that doesn't mean Yoshi should forsake everything about WOW, it actually did plenty right and there is a lot he can take and apply here that will improve the experience for both hardcore and casual gamers.

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Originally Posted by Nazrakin

We don't know enough details about leveling in 2.0 to make that determination. All we know is that it will be quest driven and faster than what we have now -- a description that would fit any other game mentioned in this thread.

I do agree that no body wants a "World of Final Fantasycraft"; I've said as much in other threads. However, that doesn't mean Yoshi should forsake everything about WOW, it actually did plenty right and there is a lot he can take and apply here that will improve the experience for both hardcore and casual gamers.

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Idk how many times people have said that "we don't know" whenever I complain about something. Though, everything that I have complained about gets pretty clear as time goes on, and it's looking just like how I've been saying it will look.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Exactly! Which I'm 99.9% sure they will do just that! Yoshi-P brought this game from crap to Okay standards. and doing 2 versions at once at that.. I have 100% faith that he will make this game into something special.. and not " Rokien's game"

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you have too much faith in em, you say his main template is WoW, and you want him to make something special? How is this leveling system special?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Idk how many times people have said that "we don't know" whenever I complain about something. Though, everything that I have complained about gets pretty clear as time goes on, and it's looking just like how I've been saying it will look.

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You don't know anything, and when you happen to say something right you Boast your self up like your 312 Yes likes on the Longer thread.

Edit: I have faith because what I have seen thus far hasn't made me quiver in fear. like every little drop of information does to you

I'm pretty sure some of these guys are paid spokespersons.

FFXIV 2.0 is shaping up to the most unambitious MMO. They just copy everything anyone else did in the genre 5 years ago and reproduce it at 50% the quality.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I feel SE is screwing up royally. They better give a benefit to group leveling or they are going to shoot themselves in the foot.

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4Gamer：
　初期のFFXIVでは，ビヘストがカジュアルに大人数で参加できるコンテンツでしたが，それに替わる大人数で遊べるコンテンツがあるのは個人的にはうれしいです。新生FFXIVにもビヘストはあるんですよね。
At beginning of FFXIV behest was a content which many players could join casually, I’m happy there is a content that will be in replace of that. In 2.0 FFXIV there will be behest right?

吉田氏：
　 よりカジュアルに参加できるものとして生まれ変わります。本気でパーティプレイを行う前の練習用コンテンツといった形になりますね。クエストがあって， ギルドリーヴがあって，カジュアルパーティコンテンツのビヘストがあり，その次に，パーティでのダンジョンプレイがあって，インスタンスでのダンジョンレ イドがあって，さらにその上に，アライアンスでのレイドとか，蛮神レイドがあって……という形になります。コンテンツの導線も，ソロからパーティにという 感じに設定されています。
It will be changed to something which can joined more casually. Just think of it as practice content before you get into full on party play. There is a quest, guildleve, casual party contents such as behest, then after that you have dungeons to play with party, then instance raids and further ahead there are alliance raids or primal raids...... like that. The direction of contents is setup where you start from solo to party.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post727006

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

I'm pretty sure some of these guys are paid spokespersons.

FFXIV 2.0 is shaping up to the most unambitious MMO. They just copy everything anyone else did in the genre 5 years ago and reproduce it at 50% the quality.

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Then don't play it then, simple as that if that's what you truly make out this game to be. Or shall I say wait till 2.0 to make that decision.. because what you and Rokien are claim this game to be doesn't seem true to me and possibly other people.

I don't think I've ever seen people that can read one thing, and twist it in every possible way until today... Holy shit, why do people predict how everything is going to be when the amount of knowledge that we have is currently extremely limited.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Then don't play it then, simple as that if that's what you truly make out this game to be. Or shall I say wait till 2.0 to make that decision.. because what you and Rokien are claim this game to be doesn't seem true to me and possibly other people.

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I don't get how this game looks any different than the stuff that's been coming out, please tell me. Besides the graphics and chars.

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Originally Posted by Dawiichan

I don't think I've ever seen people that can read one thing, and twist it in every possible way until today... Holy shit, why do people predict how everything is going to be when the amount of knowledge that we have is currently extremely limited.

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Now you the logic of Rokien and Bobby isn't it AMAZING! :o!

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Originally Posted by Dawiichan

I don't think I've ever seen people that can read one thing, and twist it in every possible way until today... Holy shit, why do people predict how everything is going to be when the amount of knowledge that we have is currently extremely limited.

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He pretty much made it clear with, farming and mob grinding is not going to work in 2.0, in his words; "not like at the moment where you have to do monster camping or farming, that's not going to work in 2.0." That to me is a pretty sure thing that hes going to try and make it where it will be pointless to grind on mobs.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I don't get how this game looks any different than the stuff that's been coming out, please tell me. Besides the graphics and chars.

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That's the thing.. we know barely ANYTHING! you take 1 little line and make an essay on how the Theory of Leveling is going to be messed up to your Algorithm Calculations! That's how complicated most of your threads are. ~.~

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Originally Posted by Starlord

That's the thing.. we know barely ANYTHING! you take 1 little line and make an essay on how the Theory of Leveling is going to be messed up to your Algorithm Calculations! That's how complicated most of your threads are. ~.~

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We know a lot if he is going to take other mmos styles. That itself speaks for itself. So again, please tell me how you think this leveling system is unique compared to other games.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

We know a lot if he is going to take other mmos styles. That itself speaks for itself. So again, please tell me how you think this leveling system is unique compared to other games.

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I'm not going to burden myself and my energy just so you can say omg really man? that's what you think gtfo? No thanks.

There's nothing wrong with learning from other MMOs. He has Experience in that field.

And again your little like " they are taking out exp grinding" is false until it's proven.. there is zero proof that's going to happen. that line can be taken in several ways. So sorry I do not agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

What bad systems?

The focus of 2.0 is the content finder. Only sensible that leveling through content would happen to maximize use of the finder.

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This.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

You will still be killing mobs over and over. These quests will probably be like go kill x amount of x. over and over again.

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While having some form of dialogue and story attached. Even a simple "The wolves are eating our livestock. Kill X number of them and bring me their tails as proof" is ages ahead of sitting somewhere and pulling rhe same mob over and over for exp.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yet people ignore with Quest Chaining type grinding you do the same thing over and over which we already have via Guildleves ^^.

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Except that leves have no context and are more embedded in 1.0 lore than anything else. They're your daily help wanted ads, not something contributing to a zone storyline nor getting you from point A to point B.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

IAnd again your little like " they are taking out exp grinding" is false until it's proven.. there is zero proof that's going to happen. that line can be taken in several ways. So sorry I do not agree with you.

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No..it can't.

"You see that circle hole? Jamming the square block in it won't work."

How many ways can you take that? If saying leveling and farming on open world monsters will not work for progression you pretty much changed grind parties let alone got rid of them. If you can't farm or level from killing open world monsters, you can't party on them.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

No..it can't.

"You see that circle hole? Jamming the square block in it won't work."

How many ways can you take that? If saying leveling and farming on open world monsters will not work for progression you pretty much changed grind parties let alone got rid of them. If you can't farm or level from killing open world monsters, you can't party on them.

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He could have been simply stating "How he felt" which is what I got out of it.

I guess it depends on what was said in the original French version, since in english things are quite different in terms of tonality.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Idk how many times people have said that "we don't know" whenever I complain about something. Though, everything that I have complained about gets pretty clear as time goes on, and it's looking just like how I've been saying it will look.

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When you've lost so much trust in the developers that you will trash something without ever trying it or knowing anything about it, then its time to wave goodbye.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

We know a lot if he is going to take other mmos styles. That itself speaks for itself. So again, please tell me how you think this leveling system is unique compared to other games.

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All we can do is wait and find out.

I remember people insisted Materia was going to be a carbon copy of WoW's gemming because we got a few nuggets of information and people ran with it.