Will Dawntrail Surprise Us With A Major LGBTQ+ Character In The MSQ

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Diversity and inclusivity are very important core values here at the Weeaboo Police Department. That is why we have established a hiring policy that does not discriminate against any of our applicants based on their race, gender, or sexual orientation.




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?? Bro, 99% of your department are male Roes. What in the hells do you mean, lol.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

?? Bro, 99% of your department are male Roes. What in the hells do you mean, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Perhaps you lived a privileged life in that regard, but some of us grew up without any idols or people to look after in media (especially when raised by very conservative people), together with suffering all sorts of violence, even from within our families. That's exactly why representation is important.

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My hero growing up was Optimus Prime, you know, the transformable alien robo-truck.

I'm a woman from a latin american country that has been tethering on the edge of economical collapse since I can remember.

I clearly had nothing in common with a robot, yet I looked up to him, because the values he represented reached me so, maybe, other things are more important than just looking to share a few characteristics with a fictional character?

Also Leon-O was number 2 in my list of childhood heroes... and I'm not even a redhead.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

?? Bro, 99% of your department are male Roes. What in the hells do you mean, lol.

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Nonsense, citizen. We have hired several Lalafells into our ranks for... various reasons.




The mountain guides us home.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Nonsense, citizen. We have hired several Lalafells into our ranks for... various reasons.




The mountain guides us home.

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Lieutenant, your true purpose for hiring Lalafells was to use them as scientific experiments! I've seen your recruitment ads in Limsa Lominsa!

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Originally Posted by Ririta

I'm not pushing my agenda on anybody, it's just exhausting how often we have to hear this same thing all the time but only when it's either two girls or two boys. It's like clockwork.

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id complain about shipping alisae too, shes also very young. regardess of what gender she was shipped with. i fear there may actually be complaints ther ebut youre only noticing ones that are anti LGBTQ

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Lieutenant, your true purpose for hiring Lalafells was to use them as scientific experiments! I've seen your recruitment ads in Limsa Lominsa!

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I uh... think you got it all wrong, citizen. Those Lalafells are... alive and well.




Goddess watch over you.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

?? Bro, 99% of your department are male Roes. What in the hells do you mean, lol.

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No he has a point. This game lacks roegadyn and we need to start diversifying.

I decree we all cut down on the Miqote, Lala, Viera, Au Ra population by 30% and increase the Hrothgar, Elezen, Hyur and Roegadyn population. The time is nigh my friends

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Nonsense, citizen. We have hired several Lalafells into our ranks for... various reasons.




The mountain guides us home.

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Ah yes, the Emergency Rations Reserve Brigade.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Who the kupo cares? Like seriously?

I personally feel like the Devs shouldn't be forced to implement something cause of some pressure from outside. Let them make their own decisions, if a character is gay then that character is gay, duh. And if they decide the whole world is straight also fine by me. Rather have them focus on important character traits and not some sexuality bs no matter if straight or gay.

Also we already have multiple gay characters/couples in the game. Enough representation for my taste.

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It's not forcing anyone, just fun speculation ;)

Dude, we already have Urianger and Thancred as main characters. They literally raised a daughter together, what more do you want?

Why is this crap thread still up?

Christ these forums need mods.

Aren't all the scions canonically bisexual anyway? Idk, from the designs and aesthetic I've always seen the FF series to generally be in the realms of genderfluidity and queerness, even if it's not explicit in actually saying those things but rather, just simply being those things where a "man" doesn't necessarily have to be Kenshiro, character designs vary from the broad and strong to svelte and androgynous while allowing the characters to have personalities that don't have to match the stereotypes of their looks.

Like sure I'm all for seeing more LGBTQIA+ acceptance and portrayal in media in general but, can we also appreciate that there's already a lot done both in XIV and other entries in the series that embraces that, and there'll likely be more as time goes on?

Like idk, personally I want meaningful narratives and characters who are the byproduct of their own life experiences/choices rather than just a character made by any company to signal "Yes we accept you" with no further depth than "I'm gay", while also happily censoring that stuff in Russia/UAE releases because it's really the money they care about, not your personal feelings. Not to say SE do that - evidently they didn't when they decided to not release XVI in UAE/Saudi Arabia for these exact reasons but yeah!

Just give me good, meaningful things to experience

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Originally Posted by batman

Aren't all the scions canonically bisexual anyway?

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From what I remember, not long after the games release Yoshi-P or one of the lore devs actually answered a question about this (not about the scions themselves directly though).

He basically explained that ‘sexuality’ as we understand it (i.e gay/straight/bi) doesn’t really exist as a concept in Eorzea. People just like what they like and don’t seem to categorise it as being one way or another. I think that’s probably why when we do get references to same-sex relationships (I.e Rising Vendor and her wife), it’s not treated any differently than any other relationship would be. Which, makes sense in a fantasy world where people can literally change their gender by drinking a potion lol.

For the Scions themselves, I’d imagine from a writing standpoint they’ll forever remain ‘vaguely asexual’. That is to say, the Scions wont ever have direct relationships with others; instead, they’ll leave it up to the players imaginations, so I wouldn’t imagine they’d want to categorise any of them as specifically liking one thing or the other.

Basically, "Use your head canon" 😄

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Originally Posted by Connor

For the Scions themselves, I’d imagine from a writing standpoint they’ll forever remain ‘vaguely asexual’. That is to say, the Scions wont ever have direct relationships with others; instead, they’ll leave it up to the players imaginations, so I wouldn’t imagine they’d want to categorise any of them as specifically liking one thing or the other.

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Would make sense, wouldn't it? It's all the more baffling they decided to carry Y'shtola's promise to Runar over into Endwalker then...

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Ah yes, the Emergency Rations Reserve Brigade.

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Yes, citizen, that's it. The Lalafells... they make excellent cooks.




Forge's glow watch over you.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Yes, citizen, that's it. The Lalafells... they make excellent cooks.

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Now now, I'm getting increasingly worried. We might need to send some OSHA inspectors in there..

What are you talking about? The game already has an LGBTQ member in the main cast. It's you, the player. You are gay.

Can we just leave the real life out of the FANTASY games? Yeah? That would be great!

true. since its fantasy we need even more gender.

Genders the likes of which you've never even dreamed~

Next ppl will ask why no one in the Avatar/Korra series was a master of Gender Bending...

The question is will DawnTrail surprise us at all bc it hasn't so far. It's done the opposite.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Yes, citizen, that's it. The Lalafells... they make excellent cooks.




Forge's glow watch over you.

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Lieutenant, just to clarify. They're "excellent cooks" or did you mean to say "excellent cooked?" Big difference between the two.

I think everyone can agree that the biggest surprise would be Viera and Hrothgar getting more headpiece options.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Next ppl will ask why no one in the Avatar/Korra series was a master of Gender Bending...

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Deviant Art answered that a looooooong time ago.

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Originally Posted by Doragan

Now now, I'm getting increasingly worried. We might need to send some OSHA inspectors in there..

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Lieutenant, just to clarify. They're "excellent cooks" or did you mean to say "excellent cooked?" Big difference between the two.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

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We got em, fellas.

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Originally Posted by Astrahime

the theme at the end of the series, when it's ryne and gaia together in a section of the Empty that's been restored thanks to the power of primal summoning, beside a giant rainbow crystal, is called "Ami". Which is Latin for love.
Said restoration finishes with flowers after a cutscene that is a shot-for-shot remake from FF8, with a confirmed romantic couple. https://twitter.com/FugaFF14_Strife/...568008194?s=20

I wonder if this means anything.

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its all just a reference to ff8. there is no romantic relationship ever, not even implied. theyre just friends.... god why would the devs introduce mitron just to do that to him... why do the supposed fans of gaia not even respect that mitron was her lover and think shed literally just jump right down rynes throat the minute mirton died.. i just cant even get my head round this....

people keep using this rainbow crystal as some kind proof its LGBTQ! but heres the thing.. its not... the colour of the crystal represents the aetherial aspects infused within eden, the first sineater. inside his body ( eden) id all 6 elemental aspects, there are places in game (matoyas relict, mothercrystal) where we see infused aether and rainbow is what you get. this isnt some LGBTQ moment, this was a perfectly explainable story element. i just hate this ship so much because it its so dissrectful to ryne, gaia, mitro and honestly.. the devs.. whatever age ryne may have been changed to back in shb the nude mods ppl were makingof her were enough to get s.e in very hot water regarding child s.e. so in my books, shes a minor, so is gaia, theyre friends. im sorry?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

its all just a reference to ff8. there is no romantic relationship ever, not even implied. theyre just friends.... god why would the devs introduce mitron just to do that to him... why do the supposed fans of gaia not even respect that mitron was her lover and think shed literally just jump right down rynes throat the minute mirton died.. i just cant even get my head round this..

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Gaia isn't Lohgrif, though. She explicitly rejects Loghrif's memories when Mitron tries to force them on her. Being a reincarnation doesn't make them the same person, just like Fandaniel isn't Hermes and the Warrior of Light isn't Azem.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Gaia isn't Lohgrif, though. She explicitly rejects Loghrif's memories when Mitron tries to force them on her. Being a reincarnation doesn't make them the same person, just like Fandaniel isn't Hermes and the Warrior of Light isn't Azem.

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"The warrior of light isn't azem" I feel like this is a fundamental misunderstanding here. While in memory he, logrig and amon do not remember there past lives, they Are still those people. Back in she a short story was published on the lodestone about emet azem and lahabrae, where the wol demands to save indigenous peoples over grapes, in ew this line is quoted by your character in a side quest "id stop a volcano for those grapes" amon rejected his past self by constantly trying to prove to him that meteons answer was correct, but in the aitascope he admits he was allways trying to find the answer his past self couldn't let go of. While logrif/gaia does not embrace her ascian self she Does not discard mitron as her lover and especially not for ryne. During e12s when mitron dies gaia is distraught over it before she regains her memories. She also bids farewell to mitron hoping they'll meet in the next life.

There is just nothing there... I cannot debunk it any further, at this point people are huffing that copium for a ship that is supported by literally having biscuits together and a crystal that's supposed to rainbow coloured.

Aah, so the likely true reason you were so vocally against people 'shipping' Ryne and Gaia comes out. If the shit Mitron pulled during Eden seemed okay to you (not to mention the absurd age difference at play), then I don't know what to tell you...

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

Aah, so the likely true reason you were so vocally against people 'shipping' Ryne and Gaia comes out. If the shit Mitron pulled during Eden seemed okay to you (not to mention the absurd age difference at play), then I don't know what to tell you...

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Hmm? I'm not sure what you're implieng. I just think the foundation for the ship is weaker than a demolished building. I've allways said this. I don't ship gaia and mitron.. I mean for one he's dead... thats not even gona be rewarding. But I just see those 2 as being for each other. I doubt gaia would find love in her current life or even want it... People have better things to do in life than allways pay off a romantic interest

Why is this crap thread still up?

Christ these forums need mods.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

its all just a reference to ff8. there is no romantic relationship ever, not even implied. theyre just friends.... god why would the devs introduce mitron just to do that to him... why do the supposed fans of gaia not even respect that mitron was her lover and think shed literally just jump right down rynes throat the minute mirton died.. i just cant even get my head round this....

people keep using this rainbow crystal as some kind proof its LGBTQ! but heres the thing.. its not... the colour of the crystal represents the aetherial aspects infused within eden, the first sineater. inside his body ( eden) id all 6 elemental aspects, there are places in game (matoyas relict, mothercrystal) where we see infused aether and rainbow is what you get. this isnt some LGBTQ moment, this was a perfectly explainable story element. i just hate this ship so much because it its so dissrectful to ryne, gaia, mitro and honestly.. the devs.. whatever age ryne may have been changed to back in shb the nude mods ppl were makingof her were enough to get s.e in very hot water regarding child s.e. so in my books, shes a minor, so is gaia, theyre friends. im sorry?

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I think it's pretty obvious Ryne and Gaia are in Love with Each Other :p

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Originally Posted by Sea-Wolf

I think it's pretty obvious Ryne and Gaia are in Love with Each Other :p

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Debatable, citizen. I would need to see more proof of this.




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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

"The warrior of light isn't azem" I feel like this is a fundamental misunderstanding here. While in memory he, logrig and amon do not remember there past lives, they Are still those people. Back in she a short story was published on the lodestone about emet azem and lahabrae, where the wol demands to save indigenous peoples over grapes, in ew this line is quoted by your character in a side quest "id stop a volcano for those grapes"

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Side quest reply options play with the fourth wall all the time. (My favorite is from one of the first unlock quests for the Nier raids where the WoL just straight out says that it doesn't actually matter how they reply.) Calling that proof of anything is a massive stretch, especially given the English localization team's well-known love of slipping jokes and references into dialogue.

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amon rejected his past self by constantly trying to prove to him that meteons answer was correct, but in the aitascope he admits he was allways trying to find the answer his past self couldn't let go of.

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Hermes' memory of Meteion's answer was wiped at the end of Ktisis Hyperboreia. He didn't remember it until after dying and rejoining the lifestream (where we later see that Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus also regained their memory of the WoL's visit to Elpis). Amon's rejection of his past self was because he spoke to the resurrected Xande, found out there was nothing after death, and had a mental breakdown.

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While logrif/gaia does not embrace her ascian self she Does not discard mitron as her lover and especially not for ryne. During e12s when mitron dies gaia is distraught over it before she regains her memories. She also bids farewell to mitron hoping they'll meet in the next life.

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Savage isn't canon. Check the duty description, it's clearly stated to be, in Eden's case, "distorted memories of your recent encounters".

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Debatable, citizen. I would need to see more proof of this.




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The Rainbow Crystal says it all :p

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Originally Posted by Sea-Wolf

The Rainbow Crystal says it all :p

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Nonsense, citizen. We have no idea if the rainbow is even a symbol for the LGBTQ movement in Eorzea. It could mean something else. Perhaps it's a symbol for war in their culture.




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