What do we have to look forward to with Dawntrail?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Honestly what I'm most looking forward too is a legit reason. To not unsub. But if dt plays the same hand as endwalker I won't sub anymore. So I'm looking forward to being wrong.

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Well get ready to be dissapointed because we all know exactly whats coming in Dawntrail from all the coverage we have

What do we have to look forward to in Dawntrail?

Attractive scantly clad female adversaries that selected sexy armor because they figure it worked for those guys in 300 so it will work for them too, but failed to realize those guys in 300 lost... >.>

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Well get ready to be dissapointed because we all know exactly whats coming in Dawntrail from all the coverage we have

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If I was to be so cynical and give up I wouldn't even deserve to be critical of this game. It has several aces it can play. Like beastmaster and it's new lifestyle content. Aswell as the zone we've been promised. I won't lie down and assume worst without seeing it first. We can't all be nihilistic like that. If I'm wrong let me see it with my own eyes. Because I know just as easily you could be wrong

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

If I was to be so cynical and give up I wouldn't even deserve to be critical of this game. It has several aces it can play. Like beastmaster and it's new lifestyle content. Aswell as the zone we've been promised. I won't lie down and assume worst without seeing it first. We can't all be nihilistic like that. If I'm wrong let me see it with my own eyes. Because I know just as easily you could be wrong

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Im just being realistic here. What youre asking is almost a complete overhaul of the standard of the game.

More Roegadyns

Blitzball (not in Gold Saucer)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Im just being realistic here. What youre asking is almost a complete overhaul of the standard of the game.

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I didn't ask for anything. What I would ask for is a revamped combat system and longevity to content. Things we've had

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

I didn't ask for anything. What I would ask for is a revamped combat system and longevity to content. Things we've had

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Longetivity maybe since they did dance around the topic of exploratory zones in Fanfest but combat overhaul? Yeah thats not coming in Dawntrail puddin

I want a conquistador outfit.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

I want a conquistador outfit.

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https://media.tenor.com/Bg_GW-oV5OwA...g-dan-levy.gif

I'm just imaging all the Kotaku and Polygon articles lol

I kinda want to hunt a Quetzalcoatl and wear it's skin as an outfit..

Blame Monster Hunter... >.>

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I kinda want to hunt a Quetzalcoatl and wear it's skin as an outfit..

Blame Monster Hunter... >.>

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I really do hope we get get another MH collab now that theres a new MH game in works. Both sides of the collab were very fun with behemoth and rathalos and our New World would certainly be a place to find some random monster.

Please enjoy Crystal Tower and World of Darkness in higher detail!

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Dragoon and the new jobs are the end all be all of Job direction imo. If all we see is more of the same trend, it's safe to say we are stuck with the dumbed down homogenous approach to job design that has become customary.

And that sucks. Not for me bc I play BLM, but moreso because of all the people I know who are tired of their classes being destroyed or turned into things they aren't.

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Hey, I feel seen. I REALLY hope Dragoons don't get the summoner treatment. They'll lose their main job then have people who didn't play it before telling them how great it is now.

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

Hey, I feel seen. I REALLY hope Dragoons don't get the summoner treatment. They'll lose their main job then have people who didn't play it before telling them how great it is now.

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I LOVE the new summoner btw.

https://media.tenor.com/KIJispa0UVkA...ne-granger.gif

A copy paste of Shadowbringers and Endwalker with some half baked attempts at side content and more classes being ruined like Summoner was.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

A copy paste of Shadowbringers and Endwalker with some half baked attempts at side content and more classes being ruined like Summoner was.

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The chaotic in me wants this game to die off just so that everyone would shut the hell up about FFXIV. Prolly one of the worst things to happen to the MMO community with how pretentious people can be; both sides case

I'm super curious as to what kind of narrative themes are gonna be prevalent in Dawntrail. Also cautiously optimistic about its focus on 'group play.'

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

The chaotic in me wants this game to die off just so that everyone would shut the hell up about FFXIV. Prolly one of the worst things to happen to the MMO community with how pretentious people can be; both sides case

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With EW having the worst content droughts in the game's history, it really is helping players discover other games and they may not return for DT or stay for very long if they do. Unlike previous expansions, EW has had very little hooks to keep you playing and if DT continues the same direction, more and more players will simply drift away. The concept of taking a break to play other games is all fine and good but if you have to do it after every single patch (especially 2 weeks into the patch), there is a design problem as playing other games should only really be needed once and maybe twice per expansion cycle.

I'm not asking for Genshin level of player retention as that will burn out players with high levels of FOMO, but more like what we used to have in the past:
* Exploration zones - playing with lots of people is fun
* Relics - real relics not tome weapons, think HW style. I don't consider the EW relic a relic but a tome weapon, a relic should have some commitment. Also, for the love of the game, please start the relic at 7.0 or 7.1 not 7.3.
* Variant / Criterion dungeons with good rewards, better difficulty tuning and roulettes
* Expert roulettes with more dungeons - why do we have to have only 2, consider keep all of the current expansion experts in the cycle to keep it fresh as having one dungeon in the cycle for 9 months is boring
* Return to a 3 to 3.5 month patch cycle from the 4.5

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

With EW having the worst content droughts in the game's history, it really is helping players discover other games and they may not return for DT or stay for very long if they do. Unlike previous expansions, EW has had very little hooks to keep you playing and if DT continues the same direction, more and more players will simply drift away. The concept of taking a break to play other games is all fine and good but if you have to do it after every single patch (especially 2 weeks into the patch), there is a design problem as playing other games should only really be needed once and maybe twice per expansion cycle.

I'm not asking for Genshin level of player retention as that will burn out players with high levels of FOMO, but more like what we used to have in the past:
* Exploration zones - playing with lots of people is fun
* Relics - real relics not tome weapons, think HW style. I don't consider the EW relic a relic but a tome weapon, a relic should have some commitment.
* Variant / Criterion dungeons with good rewards, better difficulty tuning and roulettes
* Expert roulettes with more dungeons - why do we have to have only 2, consider keep all of the current expansion experts in the cycle to keep it fresh as having one dungeon in the cycle for 9 months is boring
* Return to a 3 to 3.5 month patch cycle from the 4.5

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This entire post is what is the prime example of what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

With EW having the worst content droughts in the game's history, it really is helping players discover other games and they may not return for DT or stay for very long if they do. Unlike previous expansions, EW has had very little hooks to keep you playing and if DT continues the same direction, more and more players will simply drift away. The concept of taking a break to play other games is all fine and good but if you have to do it after every single patch (especially 2 weeks into the patch), there is a design problem as playing other games should only really be needed once and maybe twice per expansion cycle.

I'm not asking for Genshin level of player retention as that will burn out players with high levels of FOMO, but more like what we used to have in the past:
* Exploration zones - playing with lots of people is fun
* Relics - real relics not tome weapons, think HW style. I don't consider the EW relic a relic but a tome weapon, a relic should have some commitment. Also, for the love of the game, please start the relic at 7.0 or 7.1 not 7.3.
* Variant / Criterion dungeons with good rewards, better difficulty tuning and roulettes
* Expert roulettes with more dungeons - why do we have to have only 2, consider keep all of the current expansion experts in the cycle to keep it fresh as having one dungeon in the cycle for 9 months is boring
* Return to a 3 to 3.5 month patch cycle from the 4.5

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What's funny is you say those things as if they're objectively good. Exploration zones, grindy relics, criterion dungeons, expert roulettes, I have no interest in whatsoever. If you could at least admit that this was just a personal preference, that'd be great, because not everyone thinks those things are all awesome by default.

As for the patch cycle, well, you might as well say "do better things faster". It's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

What's funny is you say those things as if they're objectively good. Exploration zones, grindy relics, criterion dungeons, expert roulettes, I have no interest in whatsoever. If you could at least admin that this was just a person preference, that'd be great, because not everyone thinks those things are all awesome by default.

As for the patch cycle, well, you might as well say "do better things faster". It's not going to happen.

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If you have no interest in those activities, why do you care about other people having issues with them? If it's content you weren't going to engage with then the changes people want to see happen will never appeal or apply to you, surely? Why do you care about issues people have with parts of the game you don't engage with?

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

With EW having the worst content droughts in the game's history...

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I'm just gonna be frank here...when the "worst content drought in the game's history" is still significantly shorter than what are sometimes *regular* content droughts in other games...that's an unfortunate thing for the moment, but actually says good things about this game's production team.

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

If you have no interest in those activities, why do you care about other people having issues with them? If it's content you weren't going to engage with then the changes people want to see happen will never appeal or apply to you, surely? Why do you care about issues people have with parts of the game you don't engage with?

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I have issue with someone saying that EW is objectively worse and that the game needs to focus on those things instead, because I enjoyed EW, and I enjoy where FFXIV is currently heading. What I enjoy about FFXIV might not be for everyone though, and I freely admit that it's just my opinion. If you frame your wishes as objective truth, I'll speak up.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I have issue with someone saying that EW is objectively worse and that the game needs to focus on those things instead, because I enjoyed EW, and I enjoy where FFXIV is currently heading. What I enjoy about FFXIV might not be for everyone though, and I freely admit that it's just my opinion. If you frame your wishes as objective truth, I'll speak up.

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So it's a bit of a semantics issue then, I suppose! Because obviously the games not dying there's people playing etc etc but if every facet of the game that someone enjoys ends up being the victim of missteps or bad decisions then for them it does feel like the entire game is being ruined/declining. It's silly because that means a lot of squabbling and animosity could be avoided amongst people with different priorities if people just tacked "IMO" onto whatever they're complaining about or praising. Like it's kinda tiring trying to raise concerns or criticisms over granular parts of things like battle systems and combat stuff specifically and then having to defend that position from people that claim to have zero interest in it or that, without sounding like a prick, don't know any better, so it wouldn't ever affect them anyways. Every time someone says they have an issue and they have a chorus of people pipe up "well I'M having fun" really screams "screw you, I've got mine" and it makes it very hard to talk about issues with the game without it devolving into shit-slinging.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I LOVE the new summoner btw.

https://media.tenor.com/KIJispa0UVkA...ne-granger.gif

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You are the biggest white knight on this board so of course you do. And good for you, I'm glad. I hate it. Now stop being the sort of ninny I described, won't you?

More G-Warrior (G-Savior) content please

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Originally Posted by LioJen

More G-Warrior (G-Savior) content please

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This guy knows good content.

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Originally Posted by LioJen

More G-Warrior (G-Savior) content please

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I really enjoyed the 3-GCDs worth of rhythm game mech battle we got recently, would love to see more ^^

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

So it's a bit of a semantics issue then, I suppose! Because obviously the games not dying there's people playing etc etc but if every facet of the game that someone enjoys ends up being the victim of missteps or bad decisions then for them it does feel like the entire game is being ruined/declining. It's silly because that means a lot of squabbling and animosity could be avoided amongst people with different priorities if people just tacked "IMO" onto whatever they're complaining about or praising. Like it's kinda tiring trying to raise concerns or criticisms over granular parts of things like battle systems and combat stuff specifically and then having to defend that position from people that claim to have zero interest in it or that, without sounding like a prick, don't know any better, so it wouldn't ever affect them anyways. Every time someone says they have an issue and they have a chorus of people pipe up "well I'M having fun" really screams "screw you, I've got mine" and it makes it very hard to talk about issues with the game without it devolving into shit-slinging.

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Agreed that being explicit with "I think" or "In my opinion" would defuse a lot of the animosity before it begins :) I'm bad at it myself, and yes, sometimes, you can assume someone is using the silent "imo", but a lot of times, it very much seems like they're acting as if what they're saying is the objective truth.

To be clear, and to answer the silly notion that I'm "the biggest white knight on these forums", I've had a ton of issues with FFXIV, and think I've mentioned them here on these forums before. (thanks for answering me in good faith btw, it's nice to not always just argue with people, I know I come across as condescending and dismissive sometimes/often).