Endwalker sucks

Wait to see the non-rooted animations of clive in FF16 using a slightly updated version of FF14's engine, the spinny boy animations when u try to turn around, and non responsive foot to terrain / non dynamic adaptation of walking around, without any IK's, it's just hilariously bad and not very current gen, lest we not even talk next gen.

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Originally Posted by SomeGuy22

No one said that BLU, as content, is being glossed over. What was said is that Rolder50 glossed over BLU in their argument. Since both 5.4 and 6.4 had that kind of content, forgetting or even omitting it doesn't give either patch an advantage over the other.

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Ok, Fair Enough.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I only have a few people blacklisted for things like trolling, necroposting, name calling, having a post history of nothing but worthless memes, and harassment.

It's really weird how almost all of the negative treads are started by those same few people on my blacklist. The vast majority of regular forum members don't start these kinds of threads. Maybe... it's not the game that's the problem.

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Indeed, there are a lot of people playing this game, and MMO's in general, that frankly, should not be.

It doesn't suck. It's not as good as previous expansions save for maybe Stormblood. Stormblood gets a lot of guff for how "bad" it is, but I always like it. Honestly, I like Stormblood more than Endwalker, but that doesn't mean it sucks. With Endwalker, it's how incompetent the storytelling is. That is the issue. Not the substance of it. The zones and the music are beautiful. It's just lacking in the story department. And how could you ever hope to top Shadowbringers? A foolish errand to be sure.

I guess what I am rambling about is how underwhelming Endwalker is and how it doesn't suck.

Are we pretending Shadowbringers was good now? When it had no content beside Bozja and ruined every single job? B-bubut story I guess huh?

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Are we pretending Shadowbringers was good now? When it had no content beside Bozja and ruined every single job? B-bubut story I guess huh?

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I really hate how Bozja story ends up like that lol... Also Delubrum Reginae Extreme's reward sucks, Baldesion Arsenal better. Like what's the Haste for?

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Are we pretending Shadowbringers was good now? When did it have no content beside Bozja and ruined every single job? B-bubut story, I guess, huh?

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The only thing I didn't like about Shadowbringers was Bozja. It was a more boring version of Eureka with all the crusty bits cut out.

No point raising objective critiques of the game here, when the only people here and actively posting are gonna be folks who're subbed because they enjoy the total non-direction this game is headed in. Personally I'm hoping Variant + 6.5 alliance raid are decent. If both turn out to be mid, then that'll likely be a wrap for me because this story hasn't engaged me in a while and I don't care about savage raiding.

In playing other games, I've met plenty of former XIV players who echo OP's sentiment. It's why they all quit. OP's statements aren't wrong, but if you're new to the game or love amusing yourself with repetitive and pointless busywork, it's hard to notice it right away. Hell, I'm pretty simple in this regard. For a long time, I was only logging in to play alliance raids. I was cool with my own personal "pointless busywork" because I found it subjectively agreeable. But as more people quit the game, I couldn't even do that because the queues wouldn't pop. And what'd Square do to try and retain these players? Absolutely nothing. Hell, they rolled out a live letter where Yoshi couldn't even get off his Nintendo Switch, and then he told people to go play the new zelda and apologized for 6.4's release coinciding with other (better) games. OP's absolutely right. 6.4 is a great patch for people who want to basically log in once a week for reclears and then spend the rest of their time playing the new Street Fighter or the new Zelda or whatever. And if you don't raid, I sure hope you're enjoying the venue club scene because there sure as shit isn't a whole lot else unless you literally just started playing last week.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Are we pretending Shadowbringers was good now? When it had no content beside Bozja and ruined every single job? B-bubut story I guess huh?

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To be fair, ShB at least had the covid excuse to fall back on when the content rollouts were slow af, and the post-story was actually enjoyable because it was leading into the conclusion (the Weapon questline was also lit af), whereas EW seems to be some weird filler arc for ff4 fans to wank over. I'm not even a huge fan of the story, but 5.3's conclusion was cathartic as fuck. Name a moment like that in post-EW, what even stands out? The meatbun scene? That said, don't get me wrong I'm not about to be out here defending shb either. I'm just saying there was at least a semi-valid reason for it being the empty shitshow it turned out to be (pretty sure at one point it went like 9 months with no updates lol), and at least it did have a good story to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Are we pretending Shadowbringers was good now? When it had no content beside Bozja and ruined every single job? B-bubut story I guess huh?

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Yeah no content besides Bozja, then they didn't do an exploratory zone in EW and now we just have no content! Fantastic!

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Yeah no content besides Bozja, then they didn't do an exploratory zone in EW and now we just have no content! Fantastic!

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Hey we have island boredom! I mean paradise

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

You doing okay Gaius?

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I'd say not, considering he had to resort to creating a zero-effort thread like this for his trolling kicks.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

In playing other games, I've met plenty of former XIV players who echo OP's sentiment. It's why they all quit. OP's statements aren't wrong, but if you're new to the game or love amusing yourself with repetitive and pointless busywork, it's hard to notice it right away

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People really, really never get this. For the first few weeks Lost Ark was flooded with people yelling that XIV has no content etc.

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Are we pretending Shadowbringers was good now? When it had no content beside Bozja and ruined every single job? B-bubut story I guess huh?

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You mean Shallowbringers right?

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is irrelevant... you can compare the patches up to each step and see which expansion got the most and whatever.

Also it is important to point out not all content might suit you... however for most of us, we like most of it and some of it we dodge or just complete instead of ranting on the fora... you should switch the record, it seem to have gotten a crack in it, that or you may need to replace the needle on the pick-up.

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Also the fact that me being a huge nerd of this game, went through an alt going through expansion's content patch by patch by using this handy wiki that nicely lists what got added https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Game_release in each release

So GaiusDrakon is technically wrong here...I HAVE played the game patch through patch, even with the minor QoL changes to certain pieces of content. His argument is invalid.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

The problem here is that not all content is consumed equally. This is where the crux of some of the issues starts to appear when you look at Endwalker. e.g., there is a diverse amount of content, but in the long-term, it is not really content that will keep people consistently engaged.

Sure, you can get to rank 16 in IS, but then what? It's just another weekly task that with current resources is no more time-consuming than doing, say, Doman Reconstruction in Stormblood.

Comparing the patch history only really gives a surface analysis of the content.

I'm all for taking a dump on Eureka and Bozja and calling it a glorified FATE simulator - But regardless of this it still kept people occupied quite extensively. Did I enjoy it? Nah. But I still spent an obscene amount of hours doing it.

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Yeah but too bad it wasnt a "fun" occupation. I got into Bozja during 5.5 so I knew I had everything available to me, but the entirety of the content that matters within it still took me about a week and half at best to complete (this includes doing the relic). And by then I saw a lot of people hating it for being grindy and boring.

So now that EW decided to take a break from exploratory zones, all of sudden, people are whining that they miss it and get all nostalgic when it was literally just 3 years ago. I just find it super funny how quickly people's tone change and not in a good way.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

I really don't understand your reasoning, are you just complaining for the sake of complaining or how is it going?

If I don't like a game, at best I stop playing it, tell the people I'm playing with that the game bores me and stop my sub.

Why are you keeping your subscription? You pay, you approve, as long as you remain in some sort of denial.

The game can't please everyone, even if it's GOTY for its year of release and its category. I don't see millions of gamers complaining that FFXIV sucks.

So the problem is that it doesn't meet your expectations, so go and have fun with another game, unless there's a problem like FFXIV 1.0, nothing will change.

Enjoy the game (your favourite of the moment).

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I don't like that mentality of yours. It's basically telling people to shut the fuck up and just leave. But the reason a lot of people complain is because they care about the game. They spent a lot of time on the game, often several hundreds/thousands of hours. We complain because we see the game go in direction we don't like/see some flags that are worrysome. Sure there are some people that just complain to troll, the forum is the freaking far west and the sheriff has left the town. SE seem to have abandonned any will to moderate their forum. But if you're actually reading the threads, you'll see that those recuring criticism is not only said by those people. Espially criticism about patch 6.3 and 6.4 are shared by a lot of people. Hell, even in reddit, the website known to be an echo chamber where any opinion that's not the global concensus is downvoted to oblivion, you can find criticism about the story during the patches or about the relics/lack of proper long running content (which is strongly felt by people that have finished all the other content).

It's not enough for them to ditch the whole game, but because they dare to give criticism, they should stop their sub and shut the fuck up because they don't agree a few things. Yes there is a problem with the trolls on this forum. But you can't dismiss all complains because of the trolls. Because in that case, you're the one in denial. Game is still overall good, but it has shown a lot of worrying points over the late patch, being the pacing, the axing of several storylines compared to previous extension, the lack of proper non capped long running content, etc. And I don't see why I should "shut the fuck up and cancel my sub". If you don't see it, that's good, maybe those are things that don't matter to you, but you can't just dismiss the whole a discourse which, without being the majority, is still strong enough.

I mean, quiting is the biggest feedback you can give if disatisfied. I quit all Blizzard products because the company has made too many bad decisions and actively hates its players while allowing carries to be spammed in Trade chat. Carries requiring tons of gold that can only be obtained by RMT or WoW Tokens.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

I mean, quiting is the biggest feedback you can give if disatisfied. I quit all Blizzard products because the company has made too many bad decisions and actively hates its players while allowing carries to be spammed in Trade chat. Carries requiring tons of gold that can only be obtained by RMT or WoW Tokens.

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Pretty much. Making the same "endwalker sucks" thread for two years isn't doing anything. I seriously doubt anyone from SE who matters is sitting and reading it.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Pretty much. Making the same "endwalker sucks" thread for two years isn't doing anything. I seriously doubt anyone from SE who matters is sitting and reading it.

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I don't think SE even remembers they have forums. Feels like we're just yelling into the void.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I don't think SE even remembers they have forums. Feels like we're just yelling into the void.

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That or maybe the Conspiracy is right, and NA just specifically gets ignored.
With the types of threads we make, it wouldn't be a surprise...most of it, while having some merit hidden within, just lacks any constructive feedback other then "This sucks" and there is a constant back and forth of "Try new things" and then when they try, the response is "Go back to the old way, we liked that."
Or just bashing and insulting.

I feel for the dev team sometimes, because it is just an angry black hole that can never be satisfied or filled.
(giggity)

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

That or maybe the Conspiracy is right, and NA just specifically gets ignored.
With the types of threads we make, it wouldn't be a surprise...most of it, while having some merit hidden within, just lacks any constructive feedback other then "This sucks" and there is a constant back and forth of "Try new things" and then when they try, the response is "Go back to the old way, we liked that."
Or just bashing and insulting.

I feel for the dev team sometimes, because it is just an angry black hole that can never be satisfied or filled.
(giggity)

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Sure there are some who just rant, but there is PLENTY of constructive feedback. Just gotta know when to skim.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Sure there are some who just rant, but there is PLENTY of constructive feedback. Just gotta know when to skim.

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Ive seen it, its there. Even the people we loved to clown on have something worth saying every so often that I agree with.
Its just a shame that some of it is Muddied and Ruined with Personal attacks and just devolve into senseless fighting over opinions.
And sometimes they just feel like Hottakes only to troll and bait people.....

But I digress.

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I actually have dabbled into old Summoner prior to Endwalker's change

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Same.

I played SMN pre and post Shadowbringers, then in EW.

I like SMN as it is now, in terms of identity and function, its a huge improvement. Was locked to level 50 for a while as I hadnt gotten the expansions, the one meme I do remember was "Summoner oh god my poor hands"..as it is SMN now is far better in terms of mechanics and actual gameplay.

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I quit all Blizzard products because the company has made too many bad decisions and actively hates its players while allowing carries to be spammed in Trade chat. Carries requiring tons of gold that can only be obtained by RMT or WoW Tokens.

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I went one step further. My WOW / Blizzard acct by all intents no longer exists. All the licences, all the games, gone, deleted. Right to be forgotten invoked. It was actually fun to do that, as they TRIED to insist I send government ID to confirm, Aus law said otherwise.

I will never buy another Blizzard product. Its as much as I can do, voted with my wallet.

I actually DONT think people should quit nor would I ever suggest that..there are times however when we get trolls like Gaius who make idiot threads over essentially nothing. There IS constructive feedback, problem, is, its few and far between.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I like SMN as it is now, in terms of identity and function, its a huge improvement. Was locked to level 50 for a while as I hadnt gotten the expansions, the one meme I do remember was "Summoner oh god my poor hands"..as it is SMN now is far better in terms of mechanics and actual gameplay.

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You say you had summoner locked to 50, but the bad part is that the gameplay does not change from 50 to 90. You just get flashier spells.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

I quit all Blizzard products because the company has made too many bad decisions and actively hates its players while allowing carries to be spammed in Trade chat.

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That's... bannable, actually. You can still purchase carries, but the purchaser has to reach out to the carriers now. It's actually more regulated than XIV...

(This has only been the case since late Shadowlands, but still, seems best to keep complaints up to date / related to the game as it actually is, if comparing them to likewise today's FFXIV, etc.)

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Carries requiring tons of gold that can only be obtained by RMT or WoW Tokens.

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3rd-party RMT also remains bannable. Doesn't particularly matter so long as WoW Tokens exist, though. Yes, there is a definite PTW element there.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

That or maybe the Conspiracy is right, and NA just specifically gets ignored.

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There's a reason the JP community likewise suspects they're being ignored in favor of the English-speaking player base. They get their feedback cherrypicked/gaslit just as much as ours.

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You say you had summoner locked to 50, but the bad part is that the gameplay does not change from 50 to 90. You just get flashier spells.

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Pre ShB and post SMN were very different in terms of gameplay, and I didnt say "I was locked", I WAS locked, at that time I hadnt gotten Heavensward. SMN after Shadowbringers started was VERY different. I miss my tanky pets.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Ive seen it, its there. Even the people we loved to clown on have something worth saying every so often that I agree with.
Its just a shame that some of it is Muddied and Ruined with Personal attacks and just devolve into senseless fighting over opinions.
And sometimes they just feel like Hottakes only to troll and bait people.....

But I digress.

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No, you're spot on, That's why forum are supposed to have moderators. But SE seems afraid to actually moderate the forum. We can all see the result.

Endwalker sucks

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Endwalker sucks

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Say the line Bart!

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Horrible job design. Horrible 2-minute meta.

Horrible QA. Bugs everywhere. Hotfixes every other microsecond.

Horrible post-launch story. Boring characters like Zero. Boring Void story. Even the actual 6.0 story was controversial and in retrospect was a plot full of holes and horrible pacing.

Raids are mediocre despite two Ultimates. DSR was fine, but TOP is horribly designed, with the 2-minute variance feeding to the misery. Savages are mostly boring with a few standouts like 10S. Pacing in Savage fights is atrocious, and on many fights it feels like a mindless grind to get the prog spot again. And several are just carbon copies of previous fights like P11S vs E11S.

Island Sanctuary is a spreadsheet simulator. It's Finance Investment Simulator 2023 instead of Animal Crossing or Stardew Valley. Is it content if you have to choose between opening up Excel and typing some formulas or copying the Discord's recommendations and then putting it in game? Only reason why it even takes more than 2 or 3 minutes each week is because the UI in Island Sanctuary is atrocious.

Criterion is fun, but no one does it because they cannot design incentives at all. Even if you want to do it no one else does.

Dungeons are as boring as usual. Trials are lame with long downtimes of nothing happening. People only like Golbez because it doesn't suck as much.

Orthos is literally the same old deep dungeon unless you are doing solo runs. Zero innovation. And if you solo it's a far easier, dumbed down version of PotD/HoH.

EW Relic is the lamest relic by far. There is zero accomplishment in getting them.

Endwalker is the perfect game for people who do not want to play the game.

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If you find the game to be flawed to this extent why do you play it? You are aware life exists outside FFXIV, yes? Hop to it.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

If you find the game to be flawed to this extent why do you play it? You are aware life exists outside FFXIV, yes? Hop to it.

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Honestly the only reason I'm still here is because it has the best, uh, cosmetics mods of any game on the market.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

and you still owe me an apology.

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who are you?

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

who are you?

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Suite yourself then.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Suite yourself then.

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I literally don't know who you are LMAO

Funniest thing about threads like these is that you have to pay the sub to use the forum. I'm sure things will change eventually though.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Dude, the patches and the likes is public knowledge and up for public display, you can easy compare 5.0 and 6.0, also you do not need to have completed Eureka og Bozja or whatever to be up to date, those quest and content lines is just optional.

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Oh yes let me talk about whether In N Out burgers taste better than McDonald's despite never ever eating any burgers from them.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Horrible job design. Horrible 2-minute meta.

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I feel that the issue is blown out of proportion but yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Horrible QA. Bugs everywhere. Hotfixes every other microsecond.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Horrible post-launch story. Boring characters like Zero. Boring Void story. Even the actual 6.0 story was controversial and in retrospect was a plot full of holes and horrible pacing.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Raids are mediocre despite two Ultimates. DSR was fine, but TOP is horribly designed, with the 2-minute variance feeding to the misery. Savages are mostly boring with a few standouts like 10S. Pacing in Savage fights is atrocious, and on many fights it feels like a mindless grind to get the prog spot again. And several are just carbon copies of previous fights like P11S vs E11S.

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P2, P4, P5, P8, P10, P12 from what I've seen so far. That is the list of good savage raids this expansion. The others are either mediocre, boring, or outright bad. I cannot speak for DSR, and TOP deserves to get deleted from the game.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Island Sanctuary is a spreadsheet simulator. It's Finance Investment Simulator 2023 instead of Animal Crossing or Stardew Valley. Is it content if you have to choose between opening up Excel and typing some formulas or copying the Discord's recommendations and then putting it in game? Only reason why it even takes more than 2 or 3 minutes each week is because the UI in Island Sanctuary is atrocious.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Criterion is fun, but no one does it because they cannot design incentives at all. Even if you want to do it no one else does.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Dungeons are as boring as usual. Trials are lame with long downtimes of nothing happening. People only like Golbez because it doesn't suck as much.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Orthos is literally the same old deep dungeon unless you are doing solo runs. Zero innovation. And if you solo it's a far easier, dumbed down version of PotD/HoH.

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It is a more annoying version of PotD/HoH. So yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

EW Relic is the lamest relic by far. There is zero accomplishment in getting them.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Endwalker is the perfect game for people who do not want to play the game.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Endwalker sucks

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TLDR: Yes.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

It is a more annoying version of PotD/HoH. So yes.

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Apparently their formula for Orthos was less menacing auto-attacks but deadlier AoEs, especially for the earlier floors. The bosses were definitely harder too.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Funniest thing about threads like these is that you have to pay the sub to use the forum. I'm sure things will change eventually though.

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You know you can play the game, even enjoy it, and still be critical of the negative aspects of the game right? Fucking magical how it works like that.