Crystaline Conflict is the worst

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Because casual pvpers totally don't exist *eye roll*. No one grouping up in casual queue is taking the matches seriously. People just want to play with their friends.

I also doubt your "I'd win every match" comment lmao. Ninja's are not this god tier ya'll love to make them out to be.

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Of course casual pvpers exist, which is why solo queue should stay the way it is so the fun for them isn't ruined by a burst dps + ninja combo. Which can clear entire teams in seconds.

And yes people want to play with friends, me too! I feel like SE should anyways introduce arena like pvp. With 2v2 or 3v3. That way smaller teams and friendgroups can also group up.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Of course casual pvpers exist, which is why solo queue should stay the way it is so the fun for them isn't ruined by a burst dps + ninja combo. Which can clear entire teams in seconds.

And yes people want to play with friends, me too! I feel like SE should anyways introduce arena like pvp. With 2v2 or 3v3. That way smaller teams and friendgroups can also group up.

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It's almost like you dont know how niche the PVP is in FFXIV, what you suggest would kill it entirely. There are not enough players for what you want.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

I thought CC was meant for people without friends since you can't even chat in it anyway.

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REAL, I was so mad i couldnt even say hi. Like i dont understand CC at all. I did it once was like well i cant even talk? Oh well nah.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

Just because it makes it more attractive to you. Doesn't mean it makes it attractive for everyone else. For reasons people have already posted, they have concerns about the effects premades would have on the solo queue players. You can't ignore that, and pretend that these concerns don't exist, and won't push people away from CC. CC isn't dying right now, the queues are fine, and they've been fine even up to the end of seasons, I've been able to get games until the late hours of the night. When you make CC less fun for the solo queuers you depend upon to fill gaps in your team, they're not going to reque.

You don't need your friends to hold your hand through every piece of content in this game. Theres nothing wrong with just queuing with your friend, at the same time with the chance of being put on opposite teams if for some reason you just can't help yourself.

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You are really saying a lot without saying anything at all. What effect exactly would have premade queues on solo queues? The solo ones dying cause of whatever reason? The concerns that got voiced by others are either stuff that i never even wanted or things you contradict with your own statement that CC isn't dying atm. Which is totally right, i am 100% with you. So there is no reason why we can't have group queues separately from the solo ones.

Please before you post in a thread, learn to read.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

You are really saying a lot without saying anything at all. What effect exactly would have premade queues on solo queues? The solo ones dying cause of whatever reason? The concerns that got voiced by others are either stuff that i never even wanted or things you contradict with your own statement that CC isn't dying atm. Which is totally right, i am 100% with you. So there is no reason why we can't have group queues separately from the solo ones.

Please before you post in a thread, learn to read.

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Way to be a dick for no reason mate. For what it's worth, I agree with stormpeaks take on this one. Splitting up the queues will just create long wait times that will just escalate further as time goes on.
Casual players will see the queue, get discouraged, and then think it's dead content so they'll stop doing it. Not everyone will have this reaction obviously but it would still be enough to do more harm then good.
And just because it's "isn't dying" doesn't mean that's a good reason to add more queues. You want a game mode to be high in population of you wanna expand, not just not dying.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

You are really saying a lot without saying anything at all. What effect exactly would have premade queues on solo queues? The solo ones dying cause of whatever reason? The concerns that got voiced by others are either stuff that i never even wanted or things you contradict with your own statement that CC isn't dying atm. Which is totally right, i am 100% with you. So there is no reason why we can't have group queues separately from the solo ones.

Please before you post in a thread, learn to read.

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I love it, the cocky, rude attitude. If anyone needs to read maybe its you.

PREMADES will make solo queuers NOT QUEUE because CC will NOT BE FUN FOR THEM. They won't go out and make their own "premades" just to have fun in CC. They just WILL NOT reque, and do something better with their time. Group queues, CANNOT BE SEPERATE from solo queue, because there won't be enough people queueing into it. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Do you need a visual aid to come with it? Check your elitist attitude at the door.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

I love it, the cocky, rude attitude. If anyone needs to read maybe its you.

PREMADES will make solo queuers NOT QUEUE because CC will NOT BE FUN FOR THEM. They won't go out and make their own "premades" just to have fun in CC. They just WILL NOT reque, and do something better with their time. Group queues, CANNOT BE SEPERATE from solo queue, because there won't be enough people queueing into it. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Do you need a visual aid to come with it? Check your elitist attitude at the door.

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And again, your source for this statement is the same as stormpeaks, just a "just trust me bro". You don't know if that change wouldn't draw more people to pvp, when they can actually do it with friends and that without ruining everyones fun, lol.

I find it hilarious how you jump into the breach, talking about something that was never the topic of this thread like you need to defend some trolls honor. You talk and talk about solo being ruined, solo not having fun. Solo wouldn't even be touched in that hypothetical scenario. It would be the same as ever. And for some people that is what they want but others maybe want a bit more coordinated matches that aren't as chaotic.

Maybe you should leave your assumptions which are based on nothing at all at the door. But as i told already stormpeaks, you push this thread and make the problem PvP has more visible. So that is a positive for me.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

And again, your source for this statement is the same as stormpeaks, just a "just trust me bro". You don't know if that change wouldn't draw more people to pvp, when they can actually do it with friends and that without ruining everyones fun, lol.

I find it hilarious how you jump into the breach, talking about something that was never the topic of this thread like you need to defend some trolls honor. You talk and talk about solo being ruined, solo not having fun. Solo wouldn't even be touched in that hypothetical scenario. It would be the same as ever. And for some people that is what they want but others maybe want a bit more coordinated matches that aren't as chaotic.

Maybe you should leave your assumptions which are based on nothing at all at the door. But as i told already stormpeaks, you push this thread and make the problem PvP has more visible. So that is a positive for me.

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Your source for what you want is your frustration so why should our feelings be any less valid then yours?
And solo would 100% be affected. There would be significantly less people playing it as a chunk would switch to premade.

If they tried doing this from the beginning when the content was new and actually booming, then I would be more incline to agree. But not at this point.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Your source for what you want is your frustration so why should our feelings be any less valid then yours?
And solo would 100% be affected. There would be significantly less people playing it as a chunk would switch to premade.

If they tried doing this from the beginning when the content was new and actually booming, then I would be more incline to agree. But not at this point.

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I made a suggestion which is somewhat backed up by all the people feeling the same way. Those who would want to play with their friends. Those who want to actually play with people on their level, be that good or bad. So they don't have to deal with the chaos we have atm where you get either stomped into the ground or spawncamp the enemy team without anything between. There are players who would like this change. Ofc there are also players who wouldn't like it. That's just normal and not every content has to be for every person.

But what you guys and stormpeaks are practicing here isn't making a valid argument, it is hysteria galore with assumptions you make out of thin air. Queues will be dead. Where do you take that from? Do you have any valid sources for your arguments? Anything at all? You fellas just spout out nonsense about how something might maybe under some circumstances happen for sure but you have literally nothing to back that up.

And you know what is the worst part of it all? Your points are based on the unhappiness of players, you want stuff to stay the same cause otherwise people wouldn't queue for solo you say. Why would that be? Cause it isn't fun? So you want people to stay in solo and not have fun. And yes for some people solo is fun and i totally support that. But would it be so bad to introduce more options so, you know, everyone can have fun?

Edit: Just to give you a tl:dr why i don't see your opinion as valid

You: Everything should stay the same even if that means people don't have fun.

Me: Things should change, so everyone can have fun.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I made a suggestion which is somewhat backed up by all the people feeling the same way. Those who would want to play with their friends. Those who want to actually play with people on their level, be that good or bad. So they don't have to deal with the chaos we have atm where you get either stomped into the ground or spawncamp the enemy team without anything between. There are players who would like this change. Ofc there are also players who wouldn't like it. That's just normal and not every content has to be for every person.

But what you and stormpeaks are practicing here isn't making a valid argument, it is hysteria galore with assumptions you make out of thin air. Queues will be dead. Where do you take that from? Do you have any valid sources for your arguments? Anything at all? You just spout out nonsense about how something might maybe under some circumstances happen for sure but you have literally nothing to back that up.

And you know what is the worst part of it all? Your point is based on the unhappiness of players, you want stuff to stay the same cause otherwise people wouldn't queue for solo you say. Why would that be? Cause it isn't fun? So you want people to stay in solo and not have fun. And yes for some people solo is fun and i totally support that. But would it be so bad to introduce more options so, you know, everyone can have fun?

Edit: Just to give you a tl:dr why i don't see your opinion as valid

You: Everything should stay the same even if that means people don't have fun.

Me: Things should change, so everyone can have fun.

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That's a whole lot of assumptions mate. I never said any of what you just mentioned. I didn't put any thought into what would be a good solution but in no way does that mean I'm ok with how things are right now. My response is based on me not believing your fix would work.
And we can use how feasts turned up as an example of what ranked looks like in this game.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

That's a whole lot of assumptions mate. I never said any of what you just mentioned. I didn't put any thought into what would be a good solution but in no way does that mean I'm ok with how things are right now. My response is based on me not believing your fix would work.
And we can use how feasts turned up as an example of what ranked looks like in this game.

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It was a more combined answer towards all of you, guess the edit didn't came quick enough through. My bad on that part.

I thought we already made clear that feast had its own problems. The problem with feast was the wintrading scene and that there were no rewards at all, not really that is. Besides the hellhound stuff but people never really cared about any of it. Feasts problem was also that people were not having fun in it, they just wintraded their way up and were done with it in a week. And that was it. Then feast was dead.

But CC has a steady stream of players, especially with the seasons bringing constant rewards into the pvp game. It is something the feast never had, especially for more casual players.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Your source for what you want is your frustration so why should our feelings be any less valid then yours?
And solo would 100% be affected. There would be significantly less people playing it as a chunk would switch to premade.

If they tried doing this from the beginning when the content was new and actually booming, then I would be more incline to agree. But not at this point.

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Duos are not a premade. Stop with this nonsense. I also find it funny that you all seem to think that if duo or trio queue's opened up in casuals that suddenly it would be nothing but "premades" in the queue. Most people solo queue in pvp in nearly every pvp game. SWTOR pvp is immensely more popular than this games and it allows full groups to queue and I rarely see premades.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Even if they had 100% record on stopping cheating whether that is actual hax0rs or win trading, it will still invite a very unique level of dedication that, imo, can be easily cynically described as "no-life'ing". It's at minimum either an unhealthy or unfair system or at worst both unhealthy AND unfair lol. They're just bad, and it's not because of their mechanics- it's because of people being people. Comparative systems for the fun of it, sure whatever- but they shouldn't be used for anything beyond a cute novelty.

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People got top 100 on Light with only 13 wins last season, that's hardly no-lifeing. The level of play on a lot of DCs is low enough that even a fresh player can achieve it by dedicating time that it takes to Raid Savage and focusing on improvement.

The only time this system required any dedication was Season 1 when the player pool was massive and you couldn't keep your highest achieved score.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

People got top 100 on Light with only 13 wins last season, that's hardly no-lifeing. The level of play on a lot of DCs is low enough that even a fresh player can achieve it by dedicating time that it takes to Raid Savage and focusing on improvement.

The only time this system required any dedication was Season 1 when the player pool was massive and you couldn't keep your highest achieved score.

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That is really REALLY disingenuous of you, you basically turn the biggest flaw of the whole system into an fake argument for yourself. Yes there is one person which won 13 matches in a row then stopped playing CC cause they reached Crystal rank.

But could we also talk about the person which had to do over 400? Or many who needed over 100-200?

That is what i meant when i said it is luck based, you can get 13 good matches in the beginning and get into the top 100. Or you need to do 400 matches to reach something someone else gets with like 13-50. This is exactly the reason why i said that this pvp system isn't skill based, it doesn't matter how good you are cause if you get into bad groups you will suffer for it. There are literally players in lower ranks which won 2000% more matches than people in the Crystal rank. But i guess in your opinion they should've won just a couple thousand more to maybe get into crystal or maybe they just get thrown into bronze cause that's just how the game goes.

So please, don't use that cherry picked fake evidence as an argument.

Feast let you party with a friend and it was a non-issue.

People here really talking about balancing what is essentially a joke mode..

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Feast let you party with a friend and it was a non-issue.

People here really talking about balancing what is essentially a joke mode..

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Feast died.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Feast died.

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..Because Crystal Conflict is its successor. People already are playing together by queuing at the same time.

Being able to play with one other person is not going to break CC.

EDIT: OP it doesn't matter because SE didn't disable being able to party with your friends for the sake of balance. They did it so they wouldn't have to deal with the myriad of players crying about it. Same reason you can't do something as simple as communicating with your party mates like any other MMO.

You have this whole thread as a testament to that.

Let me see if I'm getting things correct:
You don't want an extra queue option added since there's apparently not many people to fill for what's being proposed.
So were discussing the whole point of premades being added in current casual queue for the sake of "fun". One side would rather play with a friend or 2 for "fun", and the other side is already having "fun" without premades. Overall, this whole argument is over "fun".

I'm going to attempt to do the impossible task of exiting and not looking back. This sort of argument over something subjective is why frontlines is borderline unplayable IF you're serious about the mode. I really don't see a difference between here and there. Changes being made to balance frontlines better only leading to acceptable afks, people only playing for objectives and avoiding fights, getting second place while being 37% away from goal and calling it good, and overall not caring for wins and losses, because it's already a win with how much experience points you're getting for a level up. All of that is acceptable since it's "fun". Smh...

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but maybe queues should be further split, so that those small groups that actually care about playing with their friends can work on building around that queue. Either work will be put into that by the small group if implemented, or no work will be put into it to the point where it's not usable. Their choice.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

Let me see if I'm getting things correct:
You don't want an extra queue option added since there's apparently not many people to fill for what's being proposed.
So were discussing the whole point of premades being added in current casual queue for the sake of "fun". One side would rather play with a friend or 2 for "fun", and the other side is already having "fun" without premades. Overall, this whole argument is over "fun".

I'm going to attempt to do the impossible task of exiting and not looking back. This sort of argument over something subjective is why frontlines is borderline unplayable IF you're serious about the mode. I really don't see a difference between here and there. Changes being made to balance frontlines better only leading to acceptable afks, people only playing for objectives and avoiding fights, getting second place while being 37% away from goal and calling it good, and overall not caring for wins and losses, because it's already a win with how much experience points you're getting for a level up. All of that is acceptable since it's "fun". Smh...

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but maybe queues should be further split, so that those small groups that actually care about playing with their friends can work on building around that queue. Either work will be put into that by the small group if implemented, or no work will be put into it to the point where it's not usable. Their choice.

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If you are talking to me then no you don't get things corrects. I would very much like an extra queue option for groups, what is proposed by the others is allowing 2-3 people to form a group and enter solo queue. Which would totally annihilate the enemy.

So yeah, queues should be further split. The balancing and all of that is in the end SE job, i just made this thread cause i know me and many pvp players would really like being able to team up.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Feast was dead for vastly different reasons, mostly the horrendous wintrading scene.

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Light/Chaos has had more wintrading in 4 seasons of CC than 20 seasons of Feast. And in Feast the few wintraders at least in EU got banned meanwhile the ones that did it multiple times in CC are still playing without any penalties :p

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Light/Chaos has had more wintrading in 4 seasons of CC than 20 seasons of Feast. And in Feast the few wintraders at least in EU got banned meanwhile the ones that did it multiple times in CC are still playing without any penalties :p

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That is true, if you read my posts you will notice that i did write exactly the same, lol. The difference between Feast and CC is that it doesn't just revolve around the ranks and that is it, there are rewards now outside of the ranked matches which ofc motivates players to do CC.

In feast people did wintrade their way to the top and then abandoned it and with that feast was dead for the rest of the season. You literally couldn't find any matches.

They really should hire a regional GM that focuses on PvP abuse issues. Even though it seems to be less now, there's still occasional AFK people and griefers running around.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

PREMADES will make solo queuers NOT QUEUE because CC will NOT BE FUN FOR THEM. They won't go out and make their own "premades" just to have fun in CC. They just WILL NOT reque, and do something better with their time. Group queues, CANNOT BE SEPERATE from solo queue, because there won't be enough people queueing into it.

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This is a fact. I won't queue up just to be farmed by teams of 3 who use addons to cheat and voice chat to coordinate. And I won't make a premade for myself because it's inconvenient. Any change that eases your frustration but adds to mine - no thanks.

However, if it was a separate queue for premades that does not affect me or my queue time, fine. Splitting one queue into two queues is inevitably going to affect somebody's queue time, though. Especially during the quiet hours.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

This is a fact. I won't queue up just to be farmed by teams of 3 who use addons to cheat and voice chat to coordinate. And I won't make a premade for myself because it's inconvenient. Any change that eases your frustration but adds to mine - no thanks.

However, if it was a separate queue for premades that does not affect me or my queue time, fine. Splitting one queue into two queues is inevitably going to affect somebody's queue time, though. Especially during the quiet hours.

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That would be SE problem to solve tho, the popularity i mean. They have totally the means to make pvp as popular as they would like it to be, through extra achievements, titles and other rewards they can pump into it.

But yeah i have the same opinion, groups in solo matches would be awful.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

This is a fact. I won't queue up just to be farmed by teams of 3 who use addons to cheat and voice chat to coordinate. And I won't make a premade for myself because it's inconvenient. Any change that eases your frustration but adds to mine - no thanks.

However, if it was a separate queue for premades that does not affect me or my queue time, fine. Splitting one queue into two queues is inevitably going to affect somebody's queue time, though. Especially during the quiet hours.

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It's just not viable, not with how small the PVP community is in this game, that's what Ranaku doesnt get, people wont just magically pop out of nowhere because you can party as a group, the ones that want to play as a group already do so by queuing at the same time and it works in 80% of the time.

Having a different queue just means people will sit endlessly in queue with no pop at all, or some will and it will split the already very niche community into two, resulting in much longer queue times for casual solo play.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's just not viable, not with how small the PVP community is in this game, that's what Ranaku doesnt get, people wont just magically pop out of nowhere because you can party as a group, the ones that want to play as a group already do so by queuing at the same time and it works in 80% of the time.

Having a different queue just means people will sit endlessly in queue with no pop at all, or some will and it will split the already very niche community into two, resulting in much longer queue times for casual solo play.

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What you are saying basically is you don't want others to have fun cause it wouldn't be convenient to you.

I really do hope you are just a troll, can't imagine someone being so selfish.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

What you are saying basically is you don't want others to have fun cause it wouldn't be convenient to you.

I really do hope you are just a troll, can't imagine someone being so selfish.

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If this really is what you get out of my post I think you are the troll, what you wish for is the death of casual play in PVP for the sake of your party play, you are the selfish one, not me.

You dont care about the consequences on solo PVP play, all you want is your party play.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

If this really is what you get out of my post I think you are the troll, what you wish for is the death of casual play in PVP for the sake of your party play, you are the selfish one, not me.

You dont care about the consequences on solo PVP play, all you want is your party play.

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You are against something that would make a lot of people happy cause it would inconvenience you, longer queues. That's literally what you are talking about all the time, lol. These changes wouldn't affect you in any other way other than you maybe having to wait a bit longer cause other people have fun with other forms of matches.

So yes, you are entitled and want things to stay the way they are cause it would be not convenient to you. Which is a hilariously bad take. I mean listen to yourself, that is beyond selfish. Think about others sometimes maybe.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Feast was dead for vastly different reasons, mostly the horrendous wintrading scene. Or that it wasn't sustainable at all, not to mention that there weren't really many rewards people could get from feast. All of which has changed already and made PvP in XIV more popular than ever before.

And duos/trios can obliterate enemy teams easily if they aren't coordinated. If i had a ninja sidekick all the time i would win every match cause that's just how it would go, lol. No thanks, leave the solo queue alone. For both ranked and unranked.

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Feast was dead because SE barely supported the mode. Wintrading is way worse now rofl

Feast took skill. CC is literally ungabunga mode

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Feast was dead because SE barely supported the mode. Wintrading is way worse now rofl

Feast took skill. CC is literally ungabunga mode

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Which is why i would love to see a arena mode, like feast. Maybe with smaller groups. All for it.

And yes as i wrote before, there is wintrading atm. and blatant cheating too. The difference is that CC, despite having these troubles, is popular enough to allow people despite wintrading to play constantly. While feast was literally dead most of the time, be that cause of wintrading or no rewards, in my opinion it was a combination of both.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Which is why i would love to see a arena mode, like feast. Maybe with smaller groups. All for it.

And yes as i wrote before, there is wintrading atm. and blatant cheating too. The difference is that CC, despite having these troubles, is popular enough to allow people despite wintrading to play constantly. While feast was literally dead most of the time, be that cause of wintrading or no rewards, in my opinion it was a combination of both.

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Not really most people that think they can rule the Ranked, and get smashed up good is mostly people that does not know their class/job and should had stayed in normal untill the grasp on it.

Yet have to see it, and people is more than happy to report in ranked, can assure you that.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I want:

- Solo queue to be left alone

- Solo ranked queue to be left alone

- SE to introduce an EXTRA!!! queue for groups (so one group vs another group)

- You to buy some glasses and learn how to read, i can help you with the latter if you want

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Keep it as it is and long answer short, git gud... and nope it is not a harrashment, to do the extra mile does not help you alot if you don't put in the effort for it.

The only thing I can support is if you get like 30-50 wins in Crystalline unranked over a given time with a selected job, before being able to start on ranked at all and then you will only be able to join ranked with that job, you got through that keyhole.

That makes it that you need to work on it.

The rest is git gud.

Honestly this could be fixed just by having a static queue and a random queue

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Keep it as it is and long answer short, git gud... and nope it is not a harrashment, to do the extra mile does not help you alot if you don't put in the effort for it.

The only thing I can support is if you get like 30-50 wins in Crystalline unranked over a given time with a selected job, before being able to start on ranked at all and then you will only be able to join ranked with that job, you got through that keyhole.

That makes it that you need to work on it.

The rest is git gud.

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I have, literally, no clue what you want to tell me. I literally wrote that it should stay as it is, yes. And SE to just add an extra option, the other solo matches wouldn't change a bit.

What needs to git gud is maybe your english cause i seriously can't see what you want to say with your post. Being good doesn't help you a lot when it comes to CC. Why do you think there is a person with 13 wins in the top 100 and then there is one with 400? The reason is cause your skill doesn't matter, you just need to get lucky with your teammates and you can get into crystal in 13 matches or you stay in bronze with hundreds of won matches cause you know, you can't do anything about the cards you are dealt by rng jesus.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I have, literally, no clue what you want to tell me. I literally wrote that it should stay as it is, yes. And SE to just add an extra option, the other solo matches wouldn't change a bit.

What needs to git gud is maybe your english cause i seriously can't see what you want to say with your post. Being good doesn't help you a lot when it comes to CC. Why do you think there is a person with 13 wins in the top 100 and then there is one with 400? The reason is cause your skill doesn't matter, you just need to get lucky with your teammates and you can get into crystal in 13 matches or you stay in bronze with hundreds of won matches cause you know, you can't do anything about the cards you are dealt by rng jesus.

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If you want to excell in Frontline or Crystalline content, you need to dig deep into it and get good at it as well... does not matter if you are a bard or ninja... or blm or whatever, you need to get good at the content.

There is nothing wrong with PvP as it is, but the key trigger is most of all that you meet none AI opponents and some of them is way more unpredictable than others in a way it stings to be on the opposite team, stop creating problems there is not there.

What seem to scared from opponents rather than encountering them.

As for 'bad english' I am excused I speak a foreign language that is not supported by FFXIV, other than Novice Network, putting judgement on people alone based on use of language is direct harrashment or discrimination alone based on that.

You need to do quite the feat to become numer 1 in the ranked content, something YOU WILL not see in any of the PvE content to the same degree.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

If you want to excell in Frontline or Crystalline content, you need to dig deep into it and get good at it as well... does not matter if you are a bard or ninja... or blm or whatever, you need to get good at the content.

There is nothing wrong with PvP as it is, but the key trigger is most of all that you meet none AI opponents and some of them is way more unpredictable than others in a way it stings to be on the opposite team, stop creating problems there is not there.

What seem to scared from opponents rather than encountering them.

As for 'bad english' I am excused I speak a foreign language that is not supported by FFXIV, other than Novice Network, putting judgement on people alone based on use of language is direct harrashment or discrimination alone based on that.

You need to do quite the feat to become numer 1 in the ranked content, something YOU WILL not see in any of the PvE content to the same degree.

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Of course you need to get good, you are as much as a contribution to your team as any other player. And yes in some situations you can carry your team.

I for example do mostly double the kills/damage than all other players i am playing with. So i guess in my case the "git good" part is already solved one could say. Probably can still get better and i am always open to it and by no chance do i see myself as some pvp god. But it does show that skill is only a small part of CC.

And that you have to do "quite the feat" to become number 1 is a blatant lie. You have to get lucky. That is all. It's hilarious that you actually believe what you are saying.

Let's take the datacenter crystal, last season. Crystal ranks.

First place: 123 wins (hilarious number btw)
Second place: 316 wins
Third place: 89 wins
8. place: 265 wins

Second place got almost 3 times as much won matches as first place but is well second place. And you know why that is? The same reason third place is third place and not 8. place who got 3 times the amount of won matches. Cause it is about how many matches you win in succession and that needs not you being so git gud skilled pal it needs LUCK and LUCK alone. Get good teammates 13 times in a row, you got from bronze to crystal. Get shitty teammates 400 times in a row, guess you will never get into Crystal.

That is what CC ranked is atm, a rng slaughterfest where the group that has luck with their team gets the win. As much as i admire your naive belief that you can influence the outcome all by yourself, it is not the case as the numbers clearly show.

Edit: Also about your english, i also speak mainly a different language. What i was telling you is that you don't get your point across with how you write. At least i didn't get what point you are making. It's not about that you have some errors here and there, i have that too all the time. I would just like to understand what you want to say.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Of course you need to get good, you are as much as a contribution to your team as any other player. And yes in some situations you can carry your team.

I for example do mostly double the kills/damage than all other players i am playing with. So i guess in my case the "git good" part is already solved one could say. Probably can still get better and i am always open to it and by no chance do i see myself as some pvp god. But it does show that skill is only a small part of CC.

And that you have to do "quite the feat" to become number 1 is a blatant lie. You have to get lucky. That is all. It's hilarious that you actually believe what you are saying.

Let's take the datacenter crystal, last season. Crystal ranks.



That is what CC ranked is atm, a rng slaughterfest where the group that has luck with their team gets the win. As much as i admire your naive belief that you can influence the outcome all by yourself, it is not the case as the numbers clearly show.

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If you don't Lose, you don't need many wins to get far, those statistics does not show how many times they lost... you can have a 1000 wins, but lost 2000 or more times and that will NOT put you as number one.

As for kills on other players or whatever, it is not taken into account, if it means your team be it crystalline or frontline or whatever have few kills compared to others and still winning the round, is based on you won by doing the objectives and lured the opposite forces into fighting each other.... or had people focus more on the player in crystalline conflict rather than having the crystal to your plus side.

Suite yourself, seen so many wanting to fight everyone on the other side of the map while I just spend the time moving the crystal towards the winning position.

as for CC, you really need to know your job in it, or you will get slaughtered, you wont get any benefit from ranked unless you know your job somewhat from eg. just doing CC normal mode.

Don't die in CC, you are worth more alive than dead, when it get sour just move away.... and if you drag opponents with you even better if you can dodge and use the clever end of the maps... also there is still people going to be number 1 in it, and blaming your team mates is plain stupid, for starters.. seen DRG's and SAMs and whatever class spam push the crystal when losing the map, and when you look at them, they are not doing their job at all and think they can be carried... can't use raged people at all in CC, especially when the problem remain with them and if they spam = reported after the match.

Don't lose is the key factor and YES it is quite the feat to almost never lose a game and one of the things bounds in strategy and being able to hand it to your team mates.

You literally described the problem.

Someone can win a thousand times and get nowhere, maybe they lost a couple thousand matches. But it doesn't say anything about their personal skill, they could be the best pvp player in the world if all 4 mates of his team stay in spawn and afk he will never win. That is the state of pvp.

So explain to me how it is fair to have someone who just got lucky at spot 1 and people who try and try but fail cause of bad luck are pushed back into bronze? What is fun about that? Have 30 bad matches and you go from crystal back to bronze.

This is not a good system, it favors the ones who just get lucky and punishes those who put actually work into it.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

You literally described the problem.

Someone can win a thousand times and get nowhere, maybe they lost a couple thousand matches. But it doesn't say anything about their personal skill, they could be the best pvp player in the world if all 4 mates of his team stay in spawn and afk he will never win. That is the state of pvp.

So explain to me how it is fair to have someone who just got lucky at spot 1 and people who try and try but fail cause of bad luck are pushed back into bronze? What is fun about that? Have 30 bad matches and you go from crystal back to bronze.

This is not a good system, it favors the ones who just get lucky and punishes those who put actually work into it.

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Not really, you lose you wont gain rank and you will lost points in the top and not gain them...

If you can't see the system for you, then it means that if you play 1000 matches would not make you able to beat one that has done less and not lost or rarely losing... calculate the ratios...

As I say CC ONLY SHOW wins... they don't show the actually lost matches, and you should not just be able to win with 3000 lost matches and 700 won... it would make little sense at all and it burst the bubble that more is not better if you suck at what you do.

This not like Collecting PvE things that you could do in Eureka nonestop with the Ishgaard building project before we got Ishgaard Housing.

EDIT: If the 4 people stay in spawn or on purpose lose, they can get into serious trouble, and the loss if reported in would be pulled back, so please just stop, this closer you get to the top, this more you have to lose, and also at the top, you can't afford not giving your best.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

You literally described the problem.

Someone can win a thousand times and get nowhere, maybe they lost a couple thousand matches. But it doesn't say anything about their personal skill, they could be the best pvp player in the world if all 4 mates of his team stay in spawn and afk he will never win. That is the state of pvp.

So explain to me how it is fair to have someone who just got lucky at spot 1 and people who try and try but fail cause of bad luck are pushed back into bronze? What is fun about that? Have 30 bad matches and you go from crystal back to bronze.

This is not a good system, it favors the ones who just get lucky and punishes those who put actually work into it.

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You see it as luck. We all see it as skill. The ability to communicate with your teammates with the limited chat is a pretty big factor in climbing as well. Or at least that's from my experience in earlier seasons (I haven't been in there much lately).

That's something else I thought about. As it is right now, we can't communicate normally in groups. If they were to do premades or duo/trio queues, they would need to remove the limited chat because that ruins the point of being grouped. You would essentially rely on VC outside of the game to communicate.
So before anything I would suggest looking into how the game would look like without the chat restrictions. But we all know SE don't wanna do that.