Ranked is mega unpopular even though it offers the same rewards as Unranked

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Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin

You know what casuals want from CC? To be done with Series quickly.
If you want casuals to be back into ranked, slash Casual CC Series Exp to half, and make that each tier of Ranked gives more exp as you climb.

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Bad idea. All this does is punish casual pvpers who prefer to stay in a casual setting by shoehorning them into Ranked. That is not only how you "don't" promote ranked, this is how you alienate casual players.

It also doesn't adress the abyssmally small amount of series EXP frontlines gives for the time investment per match required.

If you want to promote Ranked, add something unique to Ranked, it is that bloody simple. It can be a good tier reward or ranked currency.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Bad idea. All this does is punish casual pvpers who prefer to stay in a casual setting by shoehorning them into Ranked. That is not only how you "don't" promote ranked, this is how you alienate casual players.

It also doesn't adress the abyssmally small amount of series EXP frontlines gives for the time investment per match required.

If you want to promote Ranked, add something unique to Ranked, it is that bloody simple. It can be a good tier reward or ranked currency.

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The moment you put something meaningful exclusive to ranked is the moment casuals will cry out foul, and for this very reason they virtually removed all rewards for ranked.

Maybe don't slash Exp from casual, but make ranked more worthwhile exp wise.

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Originally Posted by Eisi

How u do it?

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By running away... Use LOS to your advantage. Use repelling shot to root them and get some easy casted shots in and continue to back away and kite/los and pop Warden's Paean to remove afflictions and get the damage reduction from it whenever necessary. Rinse and repeat.

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Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin

The moment you put something meaningful exclusive to ranked is the moment casuals will cry out foul, and for this very reason they virtually removed all rewards for ranked.

Maybe don't slash Exp from casual, but make ranked more worthwhile exp wise.

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I disagree with this. If you give meaningful rewards to ranked, players will be like: Oh, ok! Maybe one day I will get into ranked and get those rewards! Just like how I still wanna get Juedi even tho I never reached floor 100 of HoH. I still wanna get a glass pumpkin earring too, it doesn't run away even tho it's locked behind daunting content.

Now if you make them timelimited exclusives, like the series rewards, that's how you make players feel forced to engage. Or if you make them not achieveable by everyone at the same time theoretically.

If ranked provides more exp players will abandon unranked. The same could of course be said about ranked exclusive rewards in general.

That's why I'm for evergreen ranked rewards exclusive to platinum+ victories. Since ranked only provides additional rewards for higher tier victories, players who wanna play unranked will still find matches, just like 21-30 of HoH is still run even tho the big rewards are for reaching floor 100.

Adding a exp buff to rank won't solve the problem to get ppl back in rank. The exclusive rewards on rank won't solve the problem either. It's a re-occuring solution ppl continue to bring up and it NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER WORK!!! STOP BRINGING IT UP!!! In time, it's fine as it is. They just need to create more modes and maps with gimmicks, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Balmung_Griffin

The moment you put something meaningful exclusive to ranked is the moment casuals will cry out foul, and for this very reason they virtually removed all rewards for ranked.

Maybe don't slash Exp from casual, but make ranked more worthwhile exp wise.

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The hypothetical casuals we are talking about were the ones that insisted that ranked players and casual players both getting something cool is mutually exclusive, because of the big great boogieman "McWintradingston" ruining everything somehow, something which would be harder to pull off if there were more players by promoting it properly, so I'm not buying it.

Someone in the forum posted something in the likes of this - "If you ask for something because someone else got something, I can reason with you. But to deny someone else what they want just so they can't have it makes you deserve nothing." Quite frankly I vibe with that, which is why I was always cool with Casuals getting cool stuff and glamour, but not by taking everything from Ranked.

Anyhow, again. It doesn't matter if you slash Series EXP from Casual or boosting it for ranked, all it does is put emphasis on grinding things out in Ranked, which is unnecessary stress for Casual-only players. They will be disadvantaged not doing it, creating a lessened user experience.

It also does virtually nothing every second Ranked season because a Series lasts two seasons. It also doesn't benefit anything promoting it the long run, given how... lacking the Trophy Crystal vendor is right now.

The problem we are facing is a general lack of participation stemming from having no reason to engage with Ranked. In Feast era, there was at least Top 100 and at least some seasonal activity with Wolf Collars, but role queue made it difficult to get into it. Now we are facing the opposite - there is virtually nothing in every skill tier (Bronze etc.) that you can't get playing Casual and there is nothing to even strive for at high level PvP other than playing the game more coordinated. And boy is it, and frequent too. It is very accessible unlike feast.

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Ranked needs promotion via exclusive currency (non-FOMO before you ask) in all skill tiers first and foremost
Casual needs nothing.
Frontlines / RW needs Series EXP boost analogue to time spent.
Battle Pass maybe needs some additional goodies sprinkled in OR Trophy Crystal Vendor needs slightly less jarring glamour + worthwhile Trophy Crystal sink (Relic glow-like Hellhound weapons? Glowing PvP armour upgrades?)

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Adding a exp buff to rank won't solve the problem to get ppl back in rank. The exclusive rewards on rank won't solve the problem either. It's a re-occuring solution ppl continue to bring up and it NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER WORK!!! STOP BRINGING IT UP!!! In time, it's fine as it is. They just need to create more modes and maps with gimmicks, that's all.

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My brother in Christ, you are acting childish spamming capslock like this.

It also doesnt add any credibility insisting "it wont work" when it wasnt tried properly in this era of PvP, thanks to people like you insisting that it somehow mustn't happen.

Modes and gimmicks only get you so far, look at Criterion.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

My brother in Christ, you are acting childish spamming capslock like this.

It also doesnt add any credibility insisting "it wont work" when it wasnt tried properly in this era of PvP, thanks to people like you insisting that it somehow mustn't happen.

Modes and gimmicks only get you so far, look at Criterion.

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DANG RIGHT, GET MAD SOME MORE!!!

It doesn't work, ppl ask that for months and months and it doesn't work. It's insanity at that point....

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Originally Posted by Osmond

DANG RIGHT, GET MAD SOME MORE!!!

It doesn't work, ppl ask that for months and months and it doesn't work. It's insanity at that point....

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rather then rewards for ranked or better exp, just focus on making fun modes and maps instead.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

rather then rewards for ranked or better exp, just focus on making fun modes and maps instead.

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That's what I'm considering you know... I'm for that than exp buffs. Getting better rewards doesn't make the content fun.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

That's what I'm considering you know... I'm for that than exp buffs. Getting better rewards doesn't make the content fun.

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a good start would be putting rival wings on the duty roulette...

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Originally Posted by Osmond

That's what I'm considering you know... I'm for that than exp buffs. Getting better rewards doesn't make the content fun.

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Getting better rewards is also not mutually exclusive from improving or developing new and fun modes.

They arent on a shared budget because they are designed by separate people. PvP modes and combat are designed by a different team (Combat Design) than those managing game systems (UX Design) to facilitate rewards and encouragement to further engage with the other. They are supposed to be symbiotic, not exclusive from each other.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Getting better rewards is also not mutually exclusive from improving or developing new and fun modes.

They arent on a shared budget because they are designed by separate people. PvP modes and combat are designed by a different team (Combat Design) than those managing game systems (UX Design) to facilitate rewards and encouragement to further engage with the other. They are supposed to be symbiotic, not exclusive from each other.

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......I'm just hearing cope right now...

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Originally Posted by Osmond

......I'm just hearing cope right now...

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How is it cope when I am only saying that both can happen at the same time? Like I am not even "against" either side, I'm only adding my input on this one based on what is logical in modern game development.

But if you truly believe that they can't coexist, feel free to disagree.

Just remove casual and have a ranked only mode using season 1 ranking system. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Just remove casual and have a ranked only mode using season 1 ranking system. Problem solved.

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lmao no, that will just kill the mode.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

lmao no, that will just kill the mode.

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As opposed to no matchmaking casual where crystal players just completely stomp on people?

It won't work considering bots and win trading still being the issue. Forcing the casual player to do rank is just going to make them leave. You not really solving the problem, but making it worse. .................it's like ppl don't really learn from their lesson. Creating a "solution" that sounds good on paper, but in practice make it worse. Let's add de-ranking guys, that's the solution........where's everyone at?

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Originally Posted by Osmond

It won't work considering bots and win trading still being the issue. Forcing the casual player to do rank is just going to make them leave. You not really solving the problem, but making it worse. .................it's like ppl don't really learn from their lesson. Creating a "solution" that sounds good on paper, but in practice make it worse. Let's add de-ranking guys, that's the solution........where's everyone at?

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id rather just let ranked die, focusing on fun should be priority.

Because Ranked is just Bots, win traders and cheaters.
Unranked at least if you are playing without 3rd party tools you have about a 50/50 chance of winning.
I dont cheat, win trade nor bot, unless i get good RNG on who i get matched with, i dont get past Bronze, 1 win wont boost you up a tier if you lose 5 times in a row due to having bad players on your team and no way to prevent being matched with them.
Realistically, Ranked should just be a trap where the top 100 get banned for cheating the system and using 3rd party tools lol.
Hell make that a rule for the top tier of rankings and you would be about 99% accurate on legit bans! XD

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

just let ranked die

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

focusing on fun should be priority.

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Those two are at odds.

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Originally Posted by Sililos

Because Ranked is just Bots, win traders and cheaters.
Unranked at least if you are playing without 3rd party tools you have about a 50/50 chance of winning.
I dont cheat, win trade nor bot, unless i get good RNG on who i get matched with, i dont get past Bronze, 1 win wont boost you up a tier if you lose 5 times in a row due to having bad players on your team and no way to prevent being matched with them.
Realistically, Ranked should just be a trap where the top 100 get banned for cheating the system and using 3rd party tools lol.
Hell make that a rule for the top tier of rankings and you would be about 99% accurate on legit bans! XD

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...I don't cheat either, but the implication anyone in the top ranks essentially is sounds insulting to say the least. Maybe a datacenter issue, but isn't fair to generalise this hard about it, let alone drop inflammatory comments about them because you have skill issue.

I play regularly in high Diamond or Crystal, usually against and as Top 100 contenders. I do not struggle, because quite frankly I practiced for a long time.

If you are hardstuck Bronze then the issue is you, turn your monitor on and play for improvement. Ask people for advice, record your sessions and be serious about it.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

It won't work considering bots and win trading still being the issue. Forcing the casual player to do rank is just going to make them leave. You not really solving the problem, but making it worse. .................it's like ppl don't really learn from their lesson. Creating a "solution" that sounds good on paper, but in practice make it worse. Let's add de-ranking guys, that's the solution........where's everyone at?

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Season 1 ranked wasn't really ranked since you couldn't fall out of a tier, but at least it had some form of matchmaking. Casual mode is just a slaughter fest.

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Originally Posted by Sililos

Because Ranked is just Bots, win traders and cheaters.
Unranked at least if you are playing without 3rd party tools you have about a 50/50 chance of winning.
I dont cheat, win trade nor bot, unless i get good RNG on who i get matched with, i dont get past Bronze, 1 win wont boost you up a tier if you lose 5 times in a row due to having bad players on your team and no way to prevent being matched with them.
Realistically, Ranked should just be a trap where the top 100 get banned for cheating the system and using 3rd party tools lol.
Hell make that a rule for the top tier of rankings and you would be about 99% accurate on legit bans! XD

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This just screams "I don't want to get better so everyone else must be cheating." When they reset the ranks in season 3 I don't think I lost a single match working my way through bronze. Its so easy to carry those games.

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Originally Posted by Eisi

Those two are at odds.

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not really, the fact that ranked is struggling to even stay afloat at the moment ( this thread exists) means that its probably NOT FUN ENOUGH and the way things are set up right now for ranked is not doing it any justice so honestly just let it die and focus on more fun and interesting modes, like idk add a CTF mode or a siege mode where we get to use turrets n stuff... hell why not add rival wings to he duty roulette? these would all be better things to focus on.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

not really, the fact that ranked is struggling to even stay afloat at the moment ( this thread exists) means that its probably NOT FUN ENOUGH and the way things are set up right now for ranked is not doing it any justice so honestly just let it die and focus on more fun and interesting modes, like idk add a CTF mode or a siege mode where we get to use turrets n stuff... hell why not add rival wings to he duty roulette? these would all be better things to focus on.

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No offense Towa - I'm getting increasingly tired having to explain this to you Ad Nauseam, which is sad given how we both recently had an episode of "hey maybe they aren't such a bell end after all".

Let's make something very f***ing clear.

Crystalline Conflict is fun enough as a gamemode and the frequency of how frequently it pops even in late times of day prove this. I can play it almost in tge dead of the night and still find matches in like 3min even on popular jobs.

The mode isn't the issue and I'm sick of this cheap excuse of it being "not fun enough". Fun is subjective, queue times and frequency are objective.

CC RANKED is fundamentally the exact same mode with the added difference that you play against people of mostly your skill tier, alts being occasional outliers.

The thing is that the higher you go the more you need to improve as a player to rise through the ranks, like in any other Ranked ladder. The issue is that there is no reason to do this even as someone who loves PvP if "playing with a closer and more competitive group" isn't enough, which for many is the case.

The effort and skill required to invest significant time spent in Ranked does not match the reward currently given out for most players to even consider giving it a shot, given the reward being Crystals (obtainable in Casual and FL) and Framer Kits which you probably just collect one set and be done with it. Especially when a stress free carbon copy exists in Casual.

It is delusional to think it is acceptable to complain about a lack of rewards everywhere else in the game when it happens, only to be a complete hypocrite and make a BIG exception for Ranked, saying it needs to die if it can't stay afloat from hopes and prayers.

Don't get me wrong - I vibe with your ideas you have like CTF etc. thise are great. But Im so tired of your insane logic that operates at the complete opposite to the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Season 1 ranked wasn't really ranked since you couldn't fall out of a tier, but at least it had some form of matchmaking. Casual mode is just a slaughter fest.

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True, that’s where the casuals were mostly at. It just transitioned overtime because ppl don’t like a de-rank all their hard work. Had no issue with gaining stars, just the rank itself, ppl nope out because randoms. Sounds selfish, yes, that’s just the way it is. If it’s 1v1, personal responsibility, then the playing field would be different.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

No offense Towa - I'm getting increasingly tired having to explain this to you Ad Nauseam, which is sad given how we both recently had an episode of "hey maybe they aren't such a bell end after all".

Let's make something very f***ing clear.

Crystalline Conflict is fun enough as a gamemode and the frequency of how frequently it pops even in late times of day prove this. I can play it almost in tge dead of the night and still find matches in like 3min even on popular jobs.

The mode isn't the issue and I'm sick of this cheap excuse of it being "not fun enough". Fun is subjective, queue times and frequency are objective.

CC RANKED is fundamentally the exact same mode with the added difference that you play against people of mostly your skill tier, alts being occasional outliers.

The thing is that the higher you go the more you need to improve as a player to rise through the ranks, like in any other Ranked ladder. The issue is that there is no reason to do this even as someone who loves PvP if "playing with a closer and more competitive group" isn't enough, which for many is the case.

The effort and skill required to invest significant time spent in Ranked does not match the reward currently given out for most players to even consider giving it a shot, given the reward being Crystals (obtainable in Casual and FL) and Framer Kits which you probably just collect one set and be done with it. Especially when a stress free carbon copy exists in Casual.

It is delusional to think it is acceptable to complain about a lack of rewards everywhere else in the game when it happens, only to be a complete hypocrite and make a BIG exception for Ranked, saying it needs to die if it can't stay afloat from hopes and prayers.

Don't get me wrong - I vibe with your ideas you have like CTF etc. thise are great. But Im so tired of your insane logic that operates at the complete opposite to the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

No offense Towa - I'm getting increasingly tired having to explain this to you Ad Nauseam, which is sad given how we both recently had an episode of "hey maybe they aren't such a bell end after all".

Let's make something very f***ing clear.

Crystalline Conflict is fun enough as a gamemode and the frequency of how frequently it pops even in late times of day prove this. I can play it almost in tge dead of the night and still find matches in like 3min even on popular jobs.

The mode isn't the issue and I'm sick of this cheap excuse of it being "not fun enough". Fun is subjective, queue times and frequency are objective.

CC RANKED is fundamentally the exact same mode with the added difference that you play against people of mostly your skill tier, alts being occasional outliers.

The thing is that the higher you go the more you need to improve as a player to rise through the ranks, like in any other Ranked ladder. The issue is that there is no reason to do this even as someone who loves PvP if "playing with a closer and more competitive group" isn't enough, which for many is the case.

The effort and skill required to invest significant time spent in Ranked does not match the reward currently given out for most players to even consider giving it a shot, given the reward being Crystals (obtainable in Casual and FL) and Framer Kits which you probably just collect one set and be done with it. Especially when a stress free carbon copy exists in Casual.

It is delusional to think it is acceptable to complain about a lack of rewards everywhere else in the game when it happens, only to be a complete hypocrite and make a BIG exception for Ranked, saying it needs to die if it can't stay afloat from hopes and prayers.

Don't get me wrong - I vibe with your ideas you have like CTF etc. thise are great. But Im so tired of your insane logic that operates at the complete opposite to the rest of the game.

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i never said the CC itself was not fun, i said ranked was not fun and you literally explained why in your post, you dullard.

since you don't understand what im trying to say to you mfs i'll break it down bit by bit.

1. since ranked modes constantly fail just get rid of it and keep causal CC open to those to who wanna play it.

2. divert the people who made the ranked stuff into making more fun modes like CTF and make frontlines share the roulette with rival wings

Its really not that hard to understand, instead of trying to make the small minority of ranked players happy, why not just focus more on appealing to the causal players that make up the majority of the game.

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The fact that people keep complaining about not being able to que in ranked and there not being enough of a reward kinda proves my point, nobody really wants to feel like they're under pressure when they play to have fun and the fact that casual CC is literally THRIVING is the proof in the pudding.

The training in the ranked is really good and the skill raises, it's true. But at some point it just gets boring. I don't care about rank, if anything, and I play for fun and adrenaline.

But I get tired of waiting for half an hour or more. Once you stop going there regularly as a job and go back to the middle of the season, when everyone has already made their rank, and you get hours of waiting... "There will be more interesting fights on platinum!" they said. On platinum I get a long wait, quit and go.

In fact, I get nothing but an improvement in my skill. If ranked is a more difficult mode, why can't I get something more interesting than a set of stupid cards and a title that I don't use? In fact, it turns out that all that ranked games give me is good training, but in PvE there are more rewards in higher difficulty.

They need to do something about matchmaking, party balance and rewards. What we have now is a "sump" with no rank, bronze, silver and gold and a very limited number of players from platinum and up. They need to either remove this mode, or attract more players there so that this field is constantly filled.

And about bots. Yes, they exist in ranked games. Yes, I saw it with my own eyes. Not all the time, but a couple of times. And it was very annoying. For me, this was not a reason to quit the game, but the impression was unpleasant. If I wanted to play against the program, I would choose another game.

However, what am I talking about here... This is another example of PvP in a PvE oriented game. Probably shouldn't expect anything better. But then the developers don't have to pretend that they are concerned about the playability of this content.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also wish they could do something about players who in ranked match just stand at the starting point, enter the field, get quickly knocked out by the first enemy they meet, and stand there again. Reports don't help.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

The training in the ranked is really good and the skill raises, it's true. But at some point it just gets boring. I don't care about rank, if anything, and I play for fun and adrenaline.

But I get tired of waiting for half an hour or more. Once you stop going there regularly as a job and go back to the middle of the season, when everyone has already made their rank, and you get hours of waiting... "There will be more interesting fights on platinum!" they said. On platinum I get a long wait, quit and go.

In fact, I get nothing but an improvement in my skill. If ranked is a more difficult mode, why can't I get something more interesting than a set of stupid cards and a title that I don't use? In fact, it turns out that all that ranked games give me is good training, but in PvE there are more rewards in higher difficulty.

They need to do something about matchmaking, party balance and rewards. What we have now is a "sump" with no rank, bronze, silver and gold and a very limited number of players from platinum and up. They need to either remove this mode, or attract more players there so that this field is constantly filled.

And about bots. Yes, they exist in ranked games. Yes, I saw it with my own eyes. Not all the time, but a couple of times. And it was very annoying. For me, this was not a reason to quit the game, but the impression was unpleasant. If I wanted to play against the program, I would choose another game.

However, what am I talking about here... This is another example of PvP in a PvE oriented game. Probably shouldn't expect anything better. But then the developers don't have to pretend that they are concerned about the playability of this content.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also wish they could do something about players who in ranked match just stand at the starting point, enter the field, get quickly knocked out by the first enemy they meet, and stand there again. Reports don't help.

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Basically this in a nutshell, well said!

Because there is no point in playing ranked

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Originally Posted by Moggwa

Because there is no point in playing ranked

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There's no point in playing casuals. Ranked has meaning to it.

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Originally Posted by Moggwa

Because there is no point in playing ranked

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Casual CC is sooo much better anyway, no pressure = just good ol fashion fun.

Ranked would be a *lot* more popular if reaching top 100 let you pick a previous season top 100 reward

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Ranked would be a *lot* more popular if reaching top 100 let you pick a previous season top 100 reward

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wont ever happen.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

wont ever happen.

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Then ranked will continue to be dead because the main reward each season is in the battle pass now.

Nobody cares about ranked anymore, queues take too long and I'd rather just get easy tomes/series points.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Then ranked will continue to be dead because the main reward each season is in the battle pass now.

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if thats all that it takes for ranked to die then maybe its time to move on.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

As opposed to no matchmaking casual where crystal players just completely stomp on people?

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Oddly enough I've already started to do so, and all I did was get a whiff of the top gameplay.

Sure, I can learn a new class to make things fair. However, when I have all classes learn what then? I'm just going to go back to winning most casual matches, half of them through blowouts. It feels just that easy.

I don't see the original rank set up being the solution. However, I'm starting to see that casual also isn't the solution. I just don't fit in.

You made your point though. Who would be crazy enough to sit for more than half an hour trying to get some rank games going?

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

Oddly enough I've already started to do so, and all I did was get a whiff of the top gameplay.

Sure, I can learn a new class to make things fair. However, when I have all classes learn what then? I'm just going to go back to winning most casual matches, half of them through blowouts. It feels just that easy.

I don't see the original rank set up being the solution. However, I'm starting to see that casual also isn't the solution. I just don't fit in.

You made your point though. Who would be crazy enough to sit for more than half an hour trying to get some rank games going?

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Can you DC travel for ranked?