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Originally Posted by Allcars

I would say if there are more games on linux there would be more gamers, if you didn't have to pay for your os and it did everything you wanted. Wouldn't you use that over something that cost 200 bucks? They do pretty much the same thing?

The port really wouldn't be all that hard I'm sure the ffxiv engine for the ps3 uses OpenGL.

I don't care if it launches on linux for 2.0 but in the future after SE is turning a profit it wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Gaming isn't the only thing I do on my PC that sucks on linux. Try getting two MIDI interfaces and two soundcards working in Linux, in a single application. I'll tell you the outcome right now, it ain't gonna happen.

@Allcars
It's based on OpenGL, but not exactly the same. It might be easy to change things around to make your code entirely OpenGL compliant, but I dunno exactly how much work it would be.

The real question is if SE thinks it's worth it to include an OpenGL renderer for the windows version when there already is DirectX there. The number of games that let you choose between DX and OGL is... diminishing to say the least. Within the last 10 years, I can't think of more than WoW. Maybe games based on the Source engine let you do it? I'm not sure. Mac compatible games need OpenGL support, naturally, but far from all of those games offer OpenGL on the windows versions.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Gaming isn't the only thing I do on my PC that sucks on linux. Try getting two MIDI interfaces and two soundcards working in Linux, in a single application. I'll tell you the outcome right now, it ain't gonna happen.

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That does sucks, I haven't works much with Linux, but I really do like the ideas behind the OS. I would like more options than just windows.

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Originally Posted by Leyza

I think Final Fantasy XIV should be ported over to Linux sometime after 2.0. Why? There are very few games made to work with it without the need of another program to emulate it. It would open up the opportunity to get more players in the game!

Do you guys think there is a chance of Square Enix doing this?

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If anything i would think they would be more likely to make it for Mac OS before they would consider Linux. Other than mobile and Servers (which the game would not be ideal if even feasible) the market share on desktop/laptops is trivial even compared to Mac.

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Originally Posted by cloverkitty

If anything i would think they would be more likely to make it for Mac OS before they would consider Linux. Other than mobile and Servers (which the game would not be ideal if even feasible) the market share on desktop/laptops is trivial even compared to Mac.

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I'm alright to them making a mac port too.

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Originally Posted by Allcars

I'm alright to them making a mac port too.

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Mac OS is just a port of UNIX, just like Linux. If they make a Mac Version they probably wouldn't need to make a Linux port, as the Mac version could easily be adapted to linux.

I expect we'll see an Xbox version long before a Linux version of the game. Linux just doesn't have a strong enough marketshare to make a port worthwhile -- especially something as expensive as an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Mac OS is just a port of UNIX, just like Linux. If they make a Mac Version they probably wouldn't need to make a Linux port, as the Mac version could easily be adapted to linux.

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That is why I am alright with that.

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Originally Posted by Nazrakin

I expect we'll see an Xbox version long before a Linux version of the game. Linux just doesn't have a strong enough marketshare to make a port worthwhile -- especially something as expensive as an MMO.

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I too see an xbox release before linux if ever.

Linux is sort of a in a hard spot, when it comes to this sort of thing, companies don't release software for it because their market share wouldn't really pay off, and people don't use it because companies don't release software on it. But if companies did start releasing software for it linux there isn't really a reason why it couldn't grow at a rapid rate.

With Valve porting Steam to linux and cooperating closely with Intel to fix most of the bugs, I can see the situation slowly changing.

Installed linux mint (cinnamon ver) and love it so far, no bugginess of ubuntu's 12.04 release so far. Now to install wine on it and hope it will run better than it did on ubuntu...

A linux port would be pure awesome. Steam is already launching on linux and with windows 8 coming, maybe it is the right time for it since people that are disgusted by it would happilly go and install linux if they know that there are games there. FF's game engine is already ported on ps3 so it shouln't be that much of a hassle to port it on linux or make a windows opengl version of the client which would run very well on wine. I'm an Archlinux user and i'd really like being able to just throw windows out of my computer, it would be really good if square enix could follow vavle on their way to enlightment(and participate in the destruction of the worst software company ever!).

best regards,
Me!

PS: there is an enormous difference between linux and macOS : linux can be (easily) installed on most pc(and with just a few tricks on the rest).

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Originally Posted by fafangi

it would be really good if square enix could follow vavle on their way to enlightment(and participate in the destruction of the worst software company ever!)

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Apple Fan boi's gonna hate you for that statement.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Apple Fan boi's gonna hate you for that statement.

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Well, i don't care all that much, Apple is almost as bad as microsoft anyway(does anyone seriously think that Apple is less closed then microsoft? Just look at the iphone, have you ever seen it shipped with anything else than ios?).
Their customer buy macs just because they think it make them look serious(just like most of those who use ubuntu). Of all the mac customers, how many of them really have a use for it? 1%? And even then, now mac are just low-end pc shipped with macos and that cost you one arm, proof is, you can even install Macos on a regular intel pc... And what's more, macos is as closed as windows, due to that and the horrible prices, apple will nerver dominate, maybe when they divide they price by 2-3 but not before. So hooray for GNU/linux, hooray for square enix and FF on linux! (I'm counting on you guys;)).

EDIT: It seems that the 1.23 version isn't working on wine anymore... not at all... So please SE, i pray you, make a linux version or at the very least a wine-friendly one, or better maybe patch wine a bit so that it work with your game(it's open source after all^^). If you do so, I'll be forever in love with you:o (uh, i'm a male though so it only count for girls, for the rest you will have my deepest friendship^^)

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Originally Posted by Allcars

That is why I am alright with that.


I too see an xbox release before linux if ever.

Linux is sort of a in a hard spot, when it comes to this sort of thing, companies don't release software for it because their market share wouldn't really pay off, and people don't use it because companies don't release software on it. But if companies did start releasing software for it linux there isn't really a reason why it couldn't grow at a rapid rate.

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I have an interesting feeling that it won't be in a hard spot for long, at least so long as Microsoft does force MetroUI upon the desktop power-users that generally includes most PC gamers, as MetroUI is quite clearly further "consolification" of the desktop PC to a PC gamer.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

I have an interesting feeling that it won't be in a hard spot for long, at least so long as Microsoft does force MetroUI upon the desktop power-users that generally includes most PC gamers, as MetroUI is quite clearly further "consolification" of the desktop PC to a PC gamer.

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???? I have a hell of a time trying to figure out people problem with Metro. I am a windows power user and
Metro is not this game changing thing that's going to ruin Windows OS. I've been testing Win8 for some time
and even made some app's just to play with it. As of the latest release it's pretty solid now. And win8 is not a
a hard concept to grasp. Atleast for me, but I'm a WP7 user. I've loaded a few games on Win8 and they play
just like they do on win7.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

???? I have a hell of a time trying to figure out people problem with Metro. I am a windows power user and
Metro is not this game changing thing that's going to ruin Windows OS. I've been testing Win8 for some time
and even made some app's just to play with it. As of the latest release it's pretty solid now. And win8 is not a
a hard concept to grasp. Atleast for me, but I'm a WP7 user. I've loaded a few games on Win8 and they play
just like they do on win7.

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MetroUI is a tablet UI that's specialized for the touchscreen interface. It is nothing but an inconvenience for a keyboard/mouse user. Hell, to make matters worse there's not even the slightest bit of information that anyone will be able to natively disable MetroUI so they can use a traditional desktop UI from the moment Windows boots up to the moment it shuts down.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Keep in mind, of those 20million users, a significant use both Windows and Linux on the same computer. There is a abysmally small number of people who use any form Linux as their sole operating system.

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Abysmally small. lol.

Also abysmally has the word small in it to remind you of that point a second time.

I would love to this game on linux

pretty sure people who run linux also have a windows partition/windows pc

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Originally Posted by Majidah

pretty sure people who run linux also have a windows partition/windows pc

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Out of necessity.

F**k that OS and f**k that company.

Linux isn't really till something to look at till AMD and to an lesser extent Nvidia provides better support for openGL in linux.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Out of necessity.

F**k that OS and f**k that company.

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Linux or Windows?

Why the hates? lol

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

Linux isn't really till something to look at till AMD and to an lesser extent Nvidia provides better support for openGL in linux.

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amd supports openGL they even make linux drivers nivdia supports some open gl as well but they do very little with linux.. But because linux is holding more of market now they will have step up or be left out of those systems such as touch pad pc
but linus is not fan nividia for most part because of this as seen here ----> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise...-nvidia-linux/

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Originally Posted by Captaindownsyndrome

amd supports openGL they even make linux drivers nivdia supports some open gl as well but they do very little with linux.. But because linux is holding more of market now they will have step up or be left out of those systems such as touch pad pc
but linus is not fan nividia for most part because of this as seen here ----> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise...-nvidia-linux/

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just because they support it doesn't mean it's good support. it's lacking.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Linux or Windows?

Why the hates? lol

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Because Windows is a mediocre OS that I'm forced to use if I want to be a gamer.

I'm so glad that there's been a more recent trend to push games on Linux though, Humble Bundle, Valve, and Kickstarter are helping Linux out a lot.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Because Windows is a mediocre OS that I'm forced to use pay for if I want to be a gamer.

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Fixed. I think that's the bigger issue, really. Otherwise I'm quite happy with my win7.

I tried switching to linux multiple times already, but lacking game support, xy_vsFilter being much faster than libass, madvr producing better picture quality@more fps than mplayer2, photoshop being more versatile and intuitive than GIMP, lack of a decent imageviewer, pidgin being a cripple at everything other than ICQ and me not being able to find a desktop environment I like under linux is what makes me crawl back to windows every time.

I didn't pay for my Windows 7, since I got it for free from college. That made it more bearable, but it's still a bad OS.

after reading through this I can't tell if this is a bunch of conspiracy theorists... or the most amazing troll post ever.... I'm going to assume both and move on.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I didn't pay for my Windows 7, since I got it for free from college. That made it more bearable, but it's still a bad OS.

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Looks like people hate on Windows because it's the most popular OS on the planet? Lawl.

That's a shame, too, because I don't ever see SE porting ARR to Linux. Why? The reasons have already been stated. Don't count on something that has such an abysmal chance of ever actually happening.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

Looks like people hate on Windows because it's the most popular OS on the planet? Lawl.

That's a shame, too, because I don't ever see SE porting ARR to Linux. Why? The reasons have already been stated. Don't count on something that has such an abysmal chance of ever actually happening.

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There was an abysmal chance of FFXIV being completely re-written two years ago too. Look at what we have today, ARR waiting right around the corner with a completely re-done world and engine.

I don't care if the support for Linux comes in 2 years, but it's definitely something SE should start looking at when developing their games. The time when Windows reigned supreme for gaming is fading away, slowly but surely.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

Looks like people hate on Windows because it's the most popular OS on the planet? Lawl.

That's a shame, too, because I don't ever see SE porting ARR to Linux. Why? The reasons have already been stated. Don't count on something that has such an abysmal chance of ever actually happening.

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lmao, 'because it's popular'. Yeah, that's it.

And not the fact that DX is a piece of s**t, that it's not stable in the way linux is, that upgrades and updates will eventually cost you, that error reporting is less detailed in Windows, that it's actually LESS performant than Linux, and that they're trying to push a tablet OS with the newest version.

Yeah. It's because it's popular and I'm trying to be indie.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

lmao, 'because it's popular'. Yeah, that's it.

And not the fact that DX is a piece of s**t, that it's not stable in the way linux is, that upgrades and updates will eventually cost you, that error reporting is less detailed in Windows, that it's actually LESS performant than Linux, and that they're trying to push a tablet OS with the newest version.

Yeah. It's because it's popular and I'm trying to be indie.

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I don't use Linux right now because of issues with my laptop's switchable graphics making gaming completely impossible (do not buy HP laptops) but I have used it and if I could play games and had the amount of software compaibility as windows I would use linux as my sole OS.

I do agree with everything here, the only time linux has crashed on me is when I cause it, no BSOD, no lockups, large OS updates twice a year. fast security patches and huge customization possibilities.

Linux trumps windows in all areas except software compatibility and switchable graphics.

Windows is only the most popular OS because laptops ship with it, no other reason, and the reason it has better software compatibility is because it is more popular (again going back to the fact it is factory installed)

The reason OSX isn't as popular as windows as well is because Macs are so expensive compared to PCs.

I'm so glad that Valve is working on bringing Steam to Linux, because they've actually contracted several AMD and nVidia engineers and worked with them to create updated, cutting edge drivers for their chipsets. What they're doing right now is going to fundamentally change the gaming market for PCs.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I don't use Linux right now because of issues with my laptop's switchable graphics making gaming completely impossible (do not buy HP laptops) but I have used it and if I could play games and had the amount of software compaibility as windows I would use linux as my sole OS.

I do agree with everything here, the only time linux has crashed on me is when I cause it, no BSOD, no lockups, large OS updates twice a year. fast security patches and huge customization possibilities.

Linux trumps windows in all areas except software compatibility and switchable graphics.

Windows is only the most popular OS because laptops ship with it, no other reason, and the reason it has better software compatibility is because it is more popular (again going back to the fact it is factory installed)

The reason OSX isn't as popular as windows as well is because Macs are so expensive compared to PCs.

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That's a shame, because software compatibility isn't a 'small problem'; it's actually quite a huge problem, with all of the software, games, and other things out there that ARE NOT useable on Linux. Software compatibility is one of Linux's biggest problems, and until it's fixed, Linux will never be as huge as Windows. That's just fact.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

That's a shame, too, because I don't ever see SE porting ARR to Linux. Why? The reasons have already been stated. Don't count on something that has such an abysmal chance of ever actually happening.

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Except that they already have the openGL code from the PS3 version... So the biggest part is done. And since SE is familiar with the PS3, it's familiar with openGL (unlike with DX it seems, see the alt-tab crashing issue), so they don't even have to train people in openGL.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

it's not stable in the way linux is

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Idk what you do to your windows, but mine is as stable as my linux.

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that they're trying to push a tablet OS with the newest version.

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Yeah, that's why I stick with win7. Maybe linux will win more support in the future, Valve porting steam is great news already.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Except that they already have the openGL code from the PS3 version... So the biggest part is done. And since SE is familiar with the PS3, it's familiar with openGL (unlike with DX it seems, see the alt-tab crashing issue), so they don't even have to train people in openGL.

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Is OpenGL the entirety of the Linux OS? If so, then sure, pretty much any game from PS3 could make it to Linux (if what you say is true).. but, I'm pretty sure there's way more to deal with than just OpenGL.

And even then, the only way I see SE porting this to Linux is far, far down the road after the game has been out for awhile and they've possibly profited from it. However, with the miniscule amount of Linux users against the overwhelming majority of the world using Windows, I don't ever see the game being ported. One person's demands for it won't make that happen.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Idk what you do to your windows, but mine is as stable as my linux.

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Anecdotal.

Windows as an OS will come to a halt when there are issues with software, core dumps and blue screen are still a thing, updates always require restarts, etc. Linux is built from the ground up to not require reboots and to be extremely stable in case of software crashes.

About the only things that can damage Linux to the pont where the OS needs to restart is kernel upgrades and fork bombs (if don't know how to prepare for those).

These are less of an issue for home users, but they're still a thing and I heavily dislike Windows for the way it manages crashes.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Anecdotal.

Windows as an OS will come to a halt when there are issues with software, core dumps and blue screen are still a thing, updates always require restarts, etc. Linux is built from the ground up to not require reboots and to be extremely stable in case of software crashes.

About the only things that can damage Linux to the pont where the OS needs to restart is kernel upgrades and fork bombs (if don't know how to prepare for those).

These are less of an issue for home users, but they're still a thing and I heavily dislike Windows for the way it manages crashes.

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Even though, I'm pretty happy with XP and 7. (I've used Macs, and Linux variation(s) as well).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

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Even though, I'm pretty happy with XP and 7. (I've used Macs, and Linux variation(s) as well).

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Same. I've used Windows all my life but I've tried Linux and Mac - wasn't a fan of either. Also, I have close to zero problems with my Win 7 after minimal updates and halting the rest. After that, I control which services run on startup and all that stuff to keep my Windows running smoothly and quickly. The only time I've had a real problem with Win7, EVER, was a trojan on my laptop last year. But it was an easy fix, lol.

Linux needs proper software compatibility and support before it can ever become as mainstream and widely-used as Windows is. Simple fact.

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Originally Posted by Yucie

Same. I've used Windows all my life but I've tried Linux and Mac - wasn't a fan of either. Also, I have close to zero problems with my Win 7 after minimal updates and halting the rest. After that, I control which services run on startup and all that stuff to keep my Windows running smoothly and quickly. The only time I've had a real problem with Win7, EVER, was a trojan on my laptop last year. But it was an easy fix, lol.

Linux needs proper software compatibility and support before it can ever become as mainstream and widely-used as Windows is. Simple fact.

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alot more software works with linux now and what doesnt a free altertve is out there and can be downloaded with the software manager that on linux you most rember linux is COMMUNITY we work together to make things work and thanks to Android a lot of doors have open to us

"Now linux, or line-ex, I dunno how you say it.. or how you install it, or use it, or play it...
Or where you download it, or what programs run.. but Linux, or line-ex, don't look like much fun.

However you say it, it's getting great press, though how it survives is anyone's guess..
If you ask me? It's a great big mess.. for elitest, nerdy shmucks.

'It's free!' they say, if you can get it to run.. the geeks say 'Hey, that's half the fun!'
Yeah well I got a girlfriend and things to get done... the Linux OS sucks.
Sorry to say it, but it does."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...7JZXNy8#t=286s