Constant Vulgarity in Public Chat. WHY is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Honestly the most vulgar people I've ever seen in shout chat aren't even ERPers. It's the shitposters talking about stuff like whether liking futa is gay or other drivel.

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I see you were also in Ul'dah last night, I was more irritated with that shout chat than its normal pace of people whining about certain people talking about people talking about the shout chatters, usually it's at least funny but last night was not.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You can stay away from cities, here's your fix

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This isn't a solution when they post in places other than the main cities. Here's a list of places I've seen ads:
- Eulmore
- Old Sharlayan
- The Black Shroud newbie zones
- Idyllshire
- Radz-At-Han
- La Noscea newbie zones
- Thanalan newbie zones
- All of the housing districts
- Kugane/Doman Enclave
- Ocean Fishing
- During a CT run
- During a leveling roulette

Like..as long as there's PEOPLE, there's a chance you'll run into an advertiser. It's actually really annoying to try to avoid it and get hit with it anyway while trying to do my dailies. Like, it's actually ridiculous the lengths some go.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

This isn't a solution when they post in places other than the main cities. Here's a list of places I've seen ads:
- Eulmore
- Old Sharlayan
- The Black Shroud newbie zones
- Idyllshire
- Radz-At-Han
- La Noscea newbie zones
- Thanalan newbie zones
- All of the housing districts
- Kugane/Doman Enclave
- Ocean Fishing
- During a CT run
- During a leveling roulette

Like..as long as there's PEOPLE, there's a chance you'll run into an advertiser. It's actually really annoying to try to avoid it and get hit with it anyway while trying to do my dailies. Like, it's actually ridiculous the lengths some go.

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At least in most of those places the ads are very infrequent. It's the frequency of them that bother many more than their existence.

As for why they're going to ridiculous lengths, the venue scene is getting saturated. Got to get word out where they can to get their cut.

Can we just make a megathread for this. I swear someone's complaining about the nightclubs every week with a new thread

we could call it: 'weekly night club complains' ������

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You cant really, because they just make a new character to spam more.

It's not just 1 person per venue/event doing it. They are like/are rmt spammers now.

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Not only this but people have been known to pay others to advertise for them.
Giving someone a quick million gil to hit a macro every few zones and the guy shouting it otherwise entirely unrelated to the FC or group even engaging in the activities.

It's kinda gross tbh.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

True, but have you not seen how thirsty JP communities can get? They make Incels look tame...

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True, true. At least they keep it behind closed doors. Certain segments of the community on Elemental need to dunk their heads in water and take a deep drink on the regular.

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Originally Posted by Morganti

I don't mean a dirty word here or there, I mean why is it there are giant ads for your brothels and nightclubs with 'services' basically ALL the time?

Ok, I didn't know about Balmung being THAT server when I joined but I leave for Seraph as soon as it was allowed and boom... here they are again, absolutely disgusting ads and ceaseless spam about adult topics and if you say a word against it YOU are the one with an account warning.

I love this game but I do not understand why this filth has to be in public channels ALL THE TIME.

Is there a server that has people focused on the game and not brothels and constantly putting down anybody who is not into that?

I know I can just turn off public chat but if I wanted to play a game alone I would not be on a MMO. I have played a LOT of MMOs and by FAR the worst about this is FF.

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Is the spamming of advertisements reportable? Is the advertisement of erp services reportable? If so, then you have your solution.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I have a very simple solution for you

Dont open the link.

Dont like the clubs ? Mute shout and yells.

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Weak take.

This kind of content does not belong in the space that this game provides, and is explicitly banned by the ToS.

It is not normal to spam links to pornography or otherwise explicit content into a videogames chat. You would be banned from virtually every single live service game in existence for doing this. It's even worse that many clubs try to initially conceal their nature, which you would only become privy to upon visiting their site.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Weak take.

This kind of content does not belong in the space that this game provides, and is explicitly banned by the ToS.

It is not normal to spam links to pornography or otherwise explicit content into a videogames chat. You would be banned from virtually every single live service game in existence for doing this. It's even worse that many clubs try to initially conceal their nature, which you would only become privy to upon visiting their site.

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Night clubs aren't specifically banned by the TOS.

Point out the TOS part where they are banned.

Porn and explicit content is banned.

Not nightclubs.

Lots and lots of nightclubs don't have any of that going on.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

Lots and lots of nightclubs don't have any of that going on.

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Why are you bringing this up here exactly?

This thread is specifically about 'Vulgar' club advertisements. What you are saying is not only hilariously naïve, but also completely irrelevant to the subject of this thread

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Why are you bringing this up here exactly?

This thread is specifically about 'Vulgar' club advertisements. What you are saying is not only hilariously naïve, but also completely irrelevant to the subject of this thread

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There are a ridiculously small number of vulgar club adverts, and those people get banned.

There isn't anything one can do except wait for the ban, which happens pretty fast. I have reported people for offensive names and often received a response in about 5-10 minutes, with the target player logging out (presumably for the name change) a few minutes later.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

There are a ridiculously small number of vulgar club adverts, and those people get banned.

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This is actually just purely and demonstrably false. And they absolutely do not ban the people posting these adverts; The same venues advertise CONSTANTLY. EVERY DAY.

Here's an innocuous looking ad that has been in PF for a few days on Crystal. Gee, I wonder what's on their carrd site?

https://i.imgur.com/5ncOEZh.png

Oh look, it's ERP pricing and information on the various escorts kinks. I am shocked who could have seen this coming.

https://i.imgur.com/3XQlwun.png

Let's try another one. Openly recruiting courtesans in PF, how interesting!

https://i.imgur.com/hIQxrL8.png

Oh wow, a temple! what a cool theme for RP, I wonder what kind of cool stuff is on their carrd

https://i.imgur.com/z2iNtLL.png

Uh oh, the "temple" openly advertises NSFW services from a lalafell!

https://i.imgur.com/zO3S39p.png


This is all from PF on crystal right now, and there are many more like them, but frankly I'm not going to go in and snip/censor every single post.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

This is actually just purely and demonstrably false. And they absolutely do not ban the people posting these adverts; The same venues advertise CONSTANTLY. EVERY DAY.

Here's an innocuous looking ad that has been in PF for a few days on Crystal. Gee, I wonder what's on their carrd site?

https://i.imgur.com/5ncOEZh.png

Oh look, it's ERP pricing and information on the various escorts kinks. I am shocked who could have seen this coming.

https://i.imgur.com/3XQlwun.png

Let's try another one. Openly recruiting courtesans in PF, how interesting!

https://i.imgur.com/hIQxrL8.png

Oh wow, a temple! what a cool theme for RP, I wonder what kind of cool stuff is on their carrd

https://i.imgur.com/z2iNtLL.png

Uh oh, the "temple" openly advertises NSFW services from a lalafell!

https://i.imgur.com/zO3S39p.png


This is all from PF on crystal right now, and there are many more like them, but frankly I'm not going to go in and snip/censor every single post.

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The only way you would know that they are advertising ERP is if you leave the game. Therefore, not a bannable offence. If you banned people for giving links, you'd be banning most FCs.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Right. That's it. Mentioning it is one thing. But you're really going to expose everyone to public indecency like that in-game? Ban hammer!! Ban hammer right now!

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Please don’t listen to him, always use protection or you might be left with an unsolicited lalafel.
Put those gloves back on!

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Originally Posted by rainichan

I've been SCANDALIZED, where's my fainting couch?!



Man, Brandon Sanderson had it right in Stormlight by having a gloved safe hand on women in his books... it's the only way to make sure it's not 2lewd.

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I probably should have worn those gloves. Cat Girl bit my hand. I still have the teeth marks.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

The only way you would know that they are advertising ERP is if you leave the game. Therefore, not a bannable offence. If you banned people for giving links, you'd be banning most FCs.

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Keep talking sense and people are gonna start recognizing you as a real person.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

The only way you would know that they are advertising ERP is if you leave the game. Therefore, not a bannable offence.

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Nope :).

Linking to ToS violating content in-game is a bannable offense, and records of example bans of that nature plainly exist. The most high-profile and recent example would be the user that was banned for linking OnlyFans in their adventurer plate. You do not magically get a cloak of plausible deniability by using external links.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

If you banned people for giving links, you'd be banning most FCs.

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It's not linking something that gets you banned. It's linking people to explicit paragraphs about your kinks, pornographic images of your character using third party mods, and sex rp pricing that violates ToS. Hope that helps!

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Keep talking sense and people are gonna start recognizing you as a real person.

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I mean, it isn't sense. It's just some embarrassing fantasy justification for behavior that wouldn't hold up for a second in GM gaol.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

The only way you would know that they are advertising ERP is if you leave the game. Therefore, not a bannable offence. If you banned people for giving links, you'd be banning most FCs.

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100% untrue. I reported a club one time that had NSFW in-game photos on their site. Not long after, never saw them advertising again and their site changed. Guarantee you that something happened.

It's always funny the people that come on here assuming they know what they are talking about.

There is, to me, a big difference between 1) lewd limsa 2) Constant shout ads for yet-another-venue 3) heading into party finder to seek out moral panic.

1 needs to be put in the trash harshly. 2 can be dealt with using log settings, if you are offended by the word "courts" then umm use your log settings, shout is useless outside of set situations, when it can be flipped on. 3 I don't care about that, it's in the "other" tab.

Although there is a subset of FF players who are incredibly thirsty, FF is very tame compared to other games. It's also cleaner than walking round in real life, where there are numerous venue and brothel ads up on billboards.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

https://i.imgur.com/3XQlwun.png

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The 1 gil undercutters must have hit her :- she doesn't even charge 2 onions for an hour of ERP!?

I guess it depends on the server but for as long as i have been player i havent noticed anything i would consider vulgar or explicit. I have seen some shouts about a club or some other rp venue but none i can recall that screamed it might be seedy.

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Originally Posted by xenahawk

I guess it depends on the server but for as long as i have been player i havent noticed anything i would consider vulgar or explicit. I have seen some shouts about a club or some other rp venue but none i can recall that screamed it might be seedy.

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Funnily enough, my experience with World Transfer on Balmung wasn't lewd in any way. Overly political though. And only in Ul'dah.

/shout chat barely exists in Zodiark apart from Limsa, and even then it dies almost as quickly as it starts.

Personally from my own experience again maybe because of differences in servers but i came from wow where i had random players come up to my toons propasitioning and in chat forget it it was pretty common for players to spam chat with random achievement names adding "anal" to the front or back. But yeah i havent seen any of that here even though im sure it exists because its the internet.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Funnily enough, my experience with World Transfer on Balmung wasn't lewd in any way. Overly political though. And only in Ul'dah.

/shout chat barely exists in Zodiark apart from Limsa, and even then it dies almost as quickly as it starts.

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Omg i hate political chat being brought in game. I was playing wow during the last presidential election and i cringed logging into my alliance toons. Wierd it was only the alliance chat not the horde but at least i had that piece of mind.

In Balmung...anything type of chat will come up at any time. Sadly sometimes it can get political in which I just do my push-ups/sit-ups/squats in silence until the topic changes again.

Balmung chat is basically Wild West Internet chat rooms...for better or worse. That's why I love Balmung.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Funnily enough, my experience with World Transfer on Balmung wasn't lewd in any way. Overly political though. And only in Ul'dah.

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Ugh, politics is the worst. Hearing Americans complain about one of the options they have for their bozo-in-chief, beats club spam for cringe. Not like one side would ever concede anything to the other, ever.

But it can be turned off at least.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Ugh, politics is the worst. Hearing Americans complain about one of the options they have for their bozo-in-chief, beats club spam for cringe. Not like one side would ever concede anything to the other, ever.

But it can be turned off at least.

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I wish I could turn it off. I'm getting blasted by political ads right now. Thank God tomorrow's Election Day so we should get a few months' reprieve before the 2024 election stuff starts up next year.

because people like to be vulgar?

Just a couple of recent examples from the usual Shout chat advertisements:
https://files.catbox.moe/97p18m.jpg

https://files.catbox.moe/bnpgva.jpg

A roleplay venue is one thing because that expands the in-game universe and builds upon lore. But sex tourism in a T-rated game? This stuff is advertised openly and brazenly, and not just from Balmungers. Most of these are cross-world venues with cross-DC clientele.

Combined with the growing modding community and it's clear that FFXIV is becoming less of a gameplay-focused MMO and more of a "Second Life"-esque social simulator.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

A roleplay venue is one thing because that expands the in-game universe and builds upon lore. But sex tourism in a T-rated game? This stuff is advertised openly and brazenly, and not just from Balmungers. Most of these are cross-world venues with cross-DC clientele.

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Soo... fun fact. I helped make and worked at a bar in-game. The owner's since been too busy with real life to open it back up. But the whole point of it was so people could experience native Bozjan cuisine, with some dishes expanding on its history past "lol calamity maiden/lol invasion". :x I always try to expand on what little lore Hrothgars have, even if locally. The menu had a bit of a description, and whenever we served dishes we explained the lore behind them. If two different people came in and asked for the same item, we'd describe things a touch differently to keep immersion going, rather than using macros. Time-consuming, yes. But well worth it.

This is important to note. Because one of the venues I made by myself was a Hrothgar-themed bath house for a Linkshell. It's long since demolished (actually, most of what I used there got reused for a private bath for one of my friends, since Hrothgar communities in Zodiark are inexistant + it was in an apartment, NOT the best place to hold a venue xD). But I didn't want it to be used for ERP. I hold zero interest in it. Whether people used it for that is besides the point: where I was involved, there was no such thing, just pictures and conversations for the scenery. So have people used it for that purpose? Maybe, but I wasn't around nor did I see or engage in it.

And the whole thing was framed as us being in Bozja, in an ancient bath house that got revealed in the wake of its destruction. Set after Bozja got liberated and people were free to take a breather in some spaces. It literally was just for scenery, nothing more. (Also, other races were welcome, of course, there was just a lot of Hrothgar iconography, since, ya know... Bozja).

I never advertised it on Shout nor in public. Because I know what it looks like: A Hrothgar-centric bath house? "Prime furry degeneracy place". But I just love Hrothgars and wanted to expand on the very little we're given. I still do, in fact, I just wish there were more people around. Most Hrothgar I've met keep to themselves. I can't blame people for assuming it'd be a dirty space on the virtue of it being the internet alone. But on the topic of venues expanding on lore? I do want to do that, personally.

So when it comes to that... the first thing on macchiato's screenshot was advertising a bath house. To me, it doesn't mean much. I'd love to have more people experience my decoration, my work and come to appreciate the race I enjoy more. But it easily gets conflated with sex tourism. And it's because of that that I will literally never do a bath house as a venue again.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Just a couple of recent examples from the usual Shout chat advertisements:
https://files.catbox.moe/97p18m.jpg

https://files.catbox.moe/bnpgva.jpg

A roleplay venue is one thing because that expands the in-game universe and builds upon lore. But sex tourism in a T-rated game? This stuff is advertised openly and brazenly, and not just from Balmungers. Most of these are cross-world venues with cross-DC clientele.

Combined with the growing modding community and it's clear that FFXIV is becoming less of a gameplay-focused MMO and more of a "Second Life"-esque social simulator.

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Yeah I'm going to admit that is straight up too much and I think action could...or at least should...be taken against them.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

So when it comes to that... the first thing on macchiato's screenshot was advertising a bath house. To me, it doesn't mean much. I'd love to have more people experience my decoration, my work and come to appreciate the race I enjoy more. But it easily gets conflated with sex tourism. And it's because of that that I will literally never do a bath house as a venue again.

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Think you're thinking about it too hard my dude. If it's like what you said and people just want to "hey come and look at this awesome bath-house I decorated!", there wouldn't be a need for that 18+ tag.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Think you're thinking about it too hard my dude. If it's like what you said and people just want to "hey come and look at this awesome bath-house I decorated!", there wouldn't be a need for that 18+ tag.

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:| I mean, I'd have to at least explain the concept. And it'd scare some people away in an instant...

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Just a couple of recent examples from the usual Shout chat advertisements:
https://files.catbox.moe/97p18m.jpg

https://files.catbox.moe/bnpgva.jpg

A roleplay venue is one thing because that expands the in-game universe and builds upon lore. But sex tourism in a T-rated game? This stuff is advertised openly and brazenly, and not just from Balmungers. Most of these are cross-world venues with cross-DC clientele.

Combined with the growing modding community and it's clear that FFXIV is becoming less of a gameplay-focused MMO and more of a "Second Life"-esque social simulator.

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There is a key part in that, you dont have to join the discords or to go to the venues

I know it's crazy !

And you can also mute shouts and yells !

That fixes all of your issues

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

There is a key part in that, you dont have to join the discords or to go to the venues

I know it's crazy !

And you can also mute shouts and yells !

That fixes all of your issues

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Really weird that you seem to defend this spam. Do you have a vested interest in it?


Seems to me thou doth protest too much.


Shouts and yells have a valid use outside of 18+ venue RMT spam.

If this is your big problem then LMAO

Go to the average western mmo general chat and it is full of low effort trolls, racists, political talk, slurs all day long and worse.

And you think some nightclub ads are a problem? Damn puritans are funny

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Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

If this is your big problem then LMAO

Go to the average western mmo general chat and it is full of low effort trolls, racists, political talk, slurs all day long and worse.

And you think some nightclub ads are a problem? Damn puritans are funny

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I love how theres this group of people who think hating venue spam means they are puritans.


The leaps in logic. Man, anyone who hate telemarketers must be a Quaker.

even if its for erp.... what are you gonna see when you go there? characters in white underwear? people wearing 2B gear? oh no how terrible. never seen that before.
people talking about sex? oh no such an unnatural thing. so much worse than all the cursing people do everywhere.
you probably wont see nipples so its fine isnt it?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I love how theres this group of people who think hating venue spam means they are puritans.


The leaps in logic. Man, anyone who hate telemarketers must be a Quaker.

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Yes because adults when seeing something they are not interested in, ignore it and move on.

Instead of screaming about how the things you dont like shouldnt exist because someone is clearly forcing you to read that chat and forcibly keeps your eyes looking at it xD

There's a ton of things that happen in the chat that is find completely uninteresting and unattractive, I dont go around demanding they are silenced because I personally have no interest/dont like them as if the world revolves around me.

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Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

Yes because adults when seeing something they are not interested in, ignore it and move on.

Instead of screaming about how the things you dont like shouldnt exist because someone is clearly forcing you to read that chat and forcibly keeps your eyes looking at it xD

There's a ton of things that happen in the chat that is find completely uninteresting and unattractive, I dont go around demanding they are silenced because I personally have no interest/dont like them as if the world revolves around me.

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You uhh, don't seem to be doing a good job of ignoring people who do harder content there lol.



And it's not the context of the spam that people dislike, it's the spam. But people always seem to zero in on the sex part and scream puritan rather than agree that the spam ads have gotten completely out of hand since covid started.


Almost all of which in game falls under only 2 categories, funny enough. RMT and 18+ nightclubs (of which some are RMT)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You uhh, don't seem to be doing a good job of ignoring people who do harder content there lol.



And it's not the context of the spam that people dislike, it's the spam. But people always seem to zero in on the sex part and scream puritan rather than agree that the spam ads have gotten completely out of hand since covid started.


Almost all of which in game falls under only 2 categories, funny enough. RMT and 18+ nightclubs (of which some are RMT)

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Well yeah, the random rp groups in group finder dont come to the forums and demand dev resources to be focused more on them because they unironically believe they are more important than the average casual player.

Though considering how much you puritans seem to be upset about their mere public existence, I wouldnt be surprised if you believe they have some ultimate secret agenda xD

If you were genuinely annoyed by spam you would merely focus on that, yet you are laser focused on the adult aspect of it

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

And it's not the context of the spam that people dislike, it's the spam. But people always seem to zero in on the sex part and scream puritan rather than agree that the spam ads have gotten completely out of hand since covid started.

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They really need to make bloody Fellowships more intuitive and useful. Because for what it's worth, they're great to advertise venues. The issue is that the system is so limited, ads are easily pushed down to the depths of the netherworld, and worst of all, rarely do people actually check those menus out. Do people even know they exist overall? Especially the newer generation of players that came in after its implementation? Because I'm willing to bet only a handful properly explored the menu :I

Though... on second thought, even if they did, the best sure-fire way of advertising your venue (of any sort) is through shout runs. Because you can at least guarantee a greater portion of people will actually see it, even if they won't bother showing up for it.