That Which He Does Not Play

If nothing else I suppose I should be grateful for the aid of those who lent their voice to amplifying this thread further and keeping it at the top of General so that more people can see the issue with Yoshi's handling of aspects of the game that don't directly impact him.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

If nothing else I suppose I should be grateful for the aid of those who lent their voice to amplifying this thread further and keeping it at the top of General so that more people can see the issue with Yoshi's handling of aspects of the game that don't directly impact him.

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Hmm what're they suppose to see? That Yoshi P hasn't done Sanctuary on his personal account? The guy working on 2 games atm. Same dude who has a plethora of other duties to attend to? Lmao come on now.

Also I'd be wiling to bet my account that Yoshi isn't just constantly going n doing old msq parts...yet each update were seeing improvements to old segments. The new Steps of Faith is awesome imo. The fact we get duty support n such. Does that not prove you wrong? It's evident Yoshi cares about content he doesn't do. Anyone with eyes should be able to see that.

Your buddies who hop in to knight for you and every single take you have will continue to do so no matter what you say. Borderline yesmen.

And before you say it folk do try to debate with you in good faith but you ignore them (as pointed out by others) and your friends step in n do it for you. This is part of why folks call you a troll dude. That and the 100 times you've ragged on the game saying you'll leave when you never do

The buzzing in the room just got a little louder, it seems.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The buzzing in the room just got a little louder, it seems.

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Don't you tend to call out people for being passive aggressive? Interesting.

All I did was point out a few key things to disprove his notion and explain why folks label him they way they do. Care to refute any of them? Or are you here to stir the pot like you've accused others in the past of doing?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

If nothing else I suppose I should be grateful for the aid of those who lent their voice to amplifying this thread further and keeping it at the top of General so that more people can see the issue with Yoshi's handling of aspects of the game that don't directly impact him.

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I'm sure the english community manager reading this thread will be absolutely shocked about how Yoshi-P chooses to spend his personal time. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Don't you tend to call out people for being passive aggressive? Interesting.

All I did was point out a few key things to disprove his notion and explain why folks label him they way they do. Care to refute any of them? Or are you here to stir the pot like you've accused others in the past of doing?

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No, what I usually call out is the all too common behaviour from certain posters where they will say something inflammatory or accusatory only to throw up their arms and try to paint themselves as the victim or that they intended to have a civil discussion when there's any pushback whatsoever in response to their - often utterly bizarre - claims.

In your previous post you peddled a conspiracy theory about some 'Aveyond defence force' when there is no such thing in play.

Lauront dismantled that claim in one of his recent posts, no less.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

If nothing else I suppose I should be grateful for the aid of those who lent their voice to amplifying this thread further and keeping it at the top of General so that more people can see the issue with Yoshi's handling of aspects of the game that don't directly impact him.

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This has got to be one of the stupidest things I've read on this forum. The man is busy, IS takes a good bit of set up until you can make it effectively automated

This is such a non issue.
Why does it matter if Yoshida have not played this content (yet) during his personal time ?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

No, what I usually call out is the all too common behaviour from certain posters where they will say something inflammatory or accusatory only to throw up their arms and try to paint themselves as the victim or that they intended to have a civil discussion when there's any pushback whatsoever in response to their - often utterly bizarre - claims.

In your previous post you peddled a conspiracy theory about some 'Aveyond defence force' when there is no such thing in play.

Lauront dismantled that claim in one of his recent posts, no less.

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Dismantled that claim....how? I've never once seen you (and key others) say Avey is wrong or off about anything. Even what there's evidence to prove he is wrong. Hes made many as you say utterly bizarre claims yet theyre always cosigned buy a selct few of you. You and those others generally direct your attention to folks being an ass to him (or midly aggressive) rather than actually debating with people bringing up counter points. You call it a conspiracy theory. I call it what I often see. (You yourself have even admitted to your friends here telling you what folks you have on ignore say to you so...theres clearly a clique thing going on imo)

Again, care to refute my points? I provided evidence that Yoshi does care about content that doesn't impact him personally. Do you have a counter?

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

why are people calling a thread about yoshi not playing island sanctuary, citing an interview where yoshi explicitly says "I didn't play island sanctuary," bait?

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Why are you taking the quote out of context? He said he didn't play it "on [his] personal account." That's not the same as not playing it. He plays it for work, but he doesn't play it on his personal time. That's OK. I, for one, applaud the fact that he's still willing to green light content that doesn't personally appeal to him. I wish the Blizzard devs had that same level of empathy towards players who aren't hardcore raiders. I've seen other interviews where YoshiP straight up says that he can't make the game for himself because he's too hardcore a player. If anything, you should be glad that he doesn't subject the game to his whims the way the OP claims he does.

Yoshi-P played through Island Sanctuary live on stream. So if we need some sort of proof that he has done it we have video evidence. He said he hasn't done it on his personal account not that he hasn't done it at all.

In case it's not obvious why he hasn't done it on his personal account, he is an obviously busy guy managing the entire development and operation of the game. Let's not forget he has his own health and family to manage as well.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Basically this. As far as I'm concerned Yoshi's preferences are hurting anyone who isn't aligned with them by way of neglect. The lengths and arguments people have spun in defense of it will never cease to amaze.

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Yoshi-P sees his own experience as a reflection of the experience of most people and he's right. He is a busy person who only has time to play FFXIV in a casual way on his personal account and so are most other working people, so by designing an MMO that works for him he designs one that works for other people who have limited time to play because of work.

And if you have a lot of time he creates crazy grinds like the hunt mounts, the firmament mount, the fate mount and extreme trial mounts.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Dismantled that claim....how? I've never once seen you (and key others) say Avey is wrong or off about anything. Even what there's evidence to prove he is wrong. Hes made many as you say utterly bizarre claims yet theyre always cosigned buy a selct few of you. You and those others generally direct your attention to folks being an ass to him (or midly aggressive) rather than actually debating with people bringing up counter points. You call it a conspiracy theory. I call it what I often see. (You yourself have even admitted to your friends here telling you what folks you have on ignore say to you so...theres clearly a clique thing going on imo)

Again, care to refute my points? I provided evidence that Yoshi does care about content that doesn't impact him personally. Do you have a counter?

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I'm really not sure what you're getting at. My own stance is the same as Lauront's own in that I agree with Aveyond at times, I disagree with him on other issues. I'm not here to police what he says or does or keep track of what he says across different threads.

Nor do I feel particularly inclined to be at your beck and call or specific whims whenever you want your points refuted. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

People not logging into the game are an indication that it is true, and yes that is based on personal experience, I also have seen a lot of people stop logging in at all in my friend list, and if those people leave, that does mean that quite a lot of people are quitting the game, either due to lack of content, or due to how boring the content is, or it's simply not worth the time anymore.

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It's always risky using anecdotal evidence as a basis for making generalizations. Trying to extrapolate from the most minuscule of small samples to an entire playerbase of hundreds of thousands of people is statistically worthless. And there's doubtless other people whose anecdotal evidence says the exact opposite (such as myself). The people I play with are still around, and everywhere I go, I see a ton of other players in the game doing content.

That some people on your particular friend list decided to stop logging in doesn't mean anything aside outside of those specific people. It doesn't mean "quite a lot" of people are doing anything, nor for any of the reasons you put forth. For example, right now I'm playing FFXIV, Destiny 2, Warcraft 3 Reforged, and Privateer 2. I'll rotate between them. Sometimes that means there's a week or two in a row where I won't log in to FFXIV. It doesn't mean there's a lack of content or that I'm finding anything boring. I still have a long list of things I'm looking forward to doing, and I have a lot of fun every time I log in. But I also have fun playing other games, too, and only so much time to play. So sometimes I'll play those more, especially if Destiny 2 has a particular "theme of the week" going that I particularly enjoy, or if I hit a certain point in Privateer 2 where I'm really into that part of the story. None of that takes anything away from how much fun I'm also having in FFXIV.

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If nothing else I suppose I should be grateful for the aid of those who lent their voice to amplifying this thread further and keeping it at the top of General so that more people can see the issue with Yoshi's handling of aspects of the game that don't directly impact him.

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(Un-)Fortunately, all they're really seeing is how bad of a take you have and potentially forming a larger opinion of your posts based on how it's been demolished in this thread :\

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm really not sure what you're getting at. My own stance is the same as Lauront's own in that I agree with Aveyond at times, I disagree with him on other issues. I'm not here to police what he says or does or keep track of what he says across different threads.

Nor do I feel particularly inclined to be at your beck and call or specific whims whenever you want your points refuted. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.

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Who said anything about being at my beck n call/whim? Why inject something that has no place in the conversation? And if you disagree with him at times as you claim I've never once seen it. Not saying it's not happened mind you. Nobody said anything about policing what he says either. Another injection that makes little sense.

All this basically amounts to is you being challenged to refute something and you going all across the world to basically say that you wont/can't. I don't get it

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The buzzing in the room just got a little louder, it seems.

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yeah, threads like this keep buzzing around.
Well, we know what we do to other things that keep buzzing around.
*brings out the bug spray*

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It unfortunately doesn't hide threads he creates. Or I'd have done it long ago.

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Are you joking right now? Or are YOU the joke? You can see who made what thread, and choose to never visit any of Aveyond's threads if he, as you say, "has no valid points".

The onus is on YOU, to take responsibility and avoid a poster you hate so much. The ignore button isn't necessary, no I get the feeling you'd rather he disappear and not be able to post at all, huh?

Your actions give credence to the theory that those on here just want to shut Aveyond's thoughts and opinions out. Use common sense, if you would kindly please.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Yoshi-P played through Island Sanctuary live on stream. So if we need some sort of proof that he has done it we have video evidence.

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Ok. Did he actually play through it like you said? Or did he just play it for like 2 hours and call it a day? I'm willing to throw Yoshi P a bone here if he in fact played through it.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Who said anything about being at my beck n call/whim? Why inject something that has no place in the conversation? And if you disagree with him at times as you claim I've never once seen it. Not saying it's not happened mind you. Nobody said anything about policing what he says either. Another injection that makes little sense.

All this basically amounts to is you being challenged to refute something and you going all across the world to basically say that you wont/can't. I don't get it

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Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Now you're claiming that I'm injecting things that have no place in the conversation but I was simply commenting on things that you, yourself, were stating and implying in your own posts - as those following this back and forth can see outright for themselves.

There's also no 'challenge' on your part. I try to keep my engagement with you to a minimum and I'm only responding on the basis that you're accusing me of things that simply aren't true.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Aveyond also strikes me a tad misogynistic a bit with his take on female characters and male characters. Its very biased and stupid and I wouldnt be saying all that and just strike it up as harmless opinion if it werent for the fact for how hard he pushes his own agendas and constantly treats his opinions as hard fact. Its very degrading and completely undermines the actual good points he makes.

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What exactly does "Aveyond is misogynist" contribute to THIS DEBATE, precisely? Aside from the usual motive of, "ignore this person no matter what the topic, they're evil".

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

As mentioned several times, blocking doesn't hide created threads for some reason, so we are stuck with seeing them anyway.

Plus, it's rather entertaining reading his completely off the walls takes. It's like reading bad take Twitter threads on politics actually.

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And as I've said, you can just NOT VISIT ANY AVEYOND THREADS. Got any other profound wisdom to share? Nah, it's KPx above me said. You guys SAY you want to block Aveyond but the reality is that your behaviours prove the truth. That most of you would rather see what he has to say, so you can argue with it.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

What exactly does "Aveyond is misogynist" contribute to THIS DEBATE, precisely? Aside from the usual motive of, "ignore this person no matter what the topic, they're evil".

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I personally just roll my eyes and shrug whenever I see such accusations flung around. Someone else posting in this thread tried to claim that those taking issue with Venat only did so because they were 'misogynistic'. They're probably used to people backing off when such heavy handed terms are thrown around but some of us are wise to their tactics and the more such words are used incorrectly the less power they end up having.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

Are you joking right now? Or are YOU the joke? You can see who made what thread, and choose to never visit any of Aveyond's threads if he, as you say, "has no valid points".

The onus is on YOU, to take responsibility and avoid a poster you hate so much. The ignore button isn't necessary, no I get the feeling you'd rather he disappear and not be able to post at all, huh?

Your actions give credence to the theory that those on here just want to shut Aveyond's thoughts and opinions out. Use common sense, if you would kindly please.

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There are people who don't notice or read who's written a thread and just pop into a thread solely based on the title. It's how some necros of threads happen as people have just gone and done a search of some kind about a topic and not see that a thread might be a few years old. Other times you can have a person on ignore and not understand a person's reply to said ignored poster so you then are then in need of unhiding that person's posts.

There was a poster in the past who I had on ignore where trying to follow any of the various people's replies to them didn't make enough sense as to what they were disagreeing with. So I just ended up taking them off ignore. They weren't even the op of the thread even.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

Are you joking right now? Or are YOU the joke? You can see who made what thread, and choose to never visit any of Aveyond's threads if he, as you say, "has no valid points".

The onus is on YOU, to take responsibility and avoid a poster you hate so much. The ignore button isn't necessary, no I get the feeling you'd rather he disappear and not be able to post at all, huh?

Your actions give credence to the theory that those on here just want to shut Aveyond's thoughts and opinions out. Use common sense, if you would kindly please.

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I dont hate him, I just disagree with his opinion which he states as fact. And you guys also choose to engage us lol. Most of the time I comment on the topic at hand, you guys derail it first.

You'll note I don't tend to post in threads that make valid objections. I have nothing to add to those. Or things like Male Viera and Female Hroth, which everyone supports.

That Which He Pays But Does Not Enjoy

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

That Which He Pays But Does Not Enjoy

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You can play something and be unhappy about the game because there are no better options.

Those who don't farm Blue Cowrie on Island Sanctuary really missed the chance to sell the dyes and materias. It's literally free money and way better than getting the dyes from Firmament. :)

(inb4 "what gil for? I have 8 retainers full of 1 billion gils xddd")

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You can play something and be unhappy about the game because there are no better options.

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That's pretty sad, because OP sounds profoundly unhappy about the state of the game, and yet cannot find something that they enjoy more than a game that makes them THAT unhappy?

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

That's pretty sad, because OP sounds profoundly unhappy about the state of the game, and yet cannot find something that they enjoy more than a game that makes them THAT unhappy?

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He's spoken up many times about the aspects of the game he finds appealing, some just choose to ignore that and concern troll over clashing personality types and cultural differences.

Furthermore, some of us have seen WoW go through this exact same song and dance. Thus we weigh in with feedback - given that this forum is first and foremost a place to leave it.

Can't say I blame him, I haven't touched Island Sanctuary either, never plan to.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

That's pretty sad, because OP sounds profoundly unhappy about the state of the game, and yet cannot find something that they enjoy more than a game that makes them THAT unhappy?

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No game is perfect. There will always be room for improvement, and it's up to players to let the developers know what they want, what they like, and what they don't like. Positive change is unlikely to happen if people stay silent about their grievances. While it's true no game will cater to every want of an individual (nor should a game developer attempt to), some things can be improved upon by hearing negative feedback from the community. There is no shame in putting these things to voice, as one never knows when enough other voices will join to turn one lone cry into a roaring chorus. Sometimes one doesn't even need many voices. Meaningful change can also be brought about by an individual's words, although it's far rarer.

Offering criticism nearly always means someone cares about the person, place, or thing whose flaws are being discussed. They would say nothing at all if they did not.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Now you're claiming that I'm injecting things that have no place in the conversation but I was simply commenting on things that you, yourself, were stating and implying in your own posts - as those following this back and forth can see outright for themselves.

There's also no 'challenge' on your part. I try to keep my engagement with you to a minimum and I'm only responding on the basis that you're accusing me of things that simply aren't true.

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And now you've resorted to lying. Nowhere did I say you're at my beck n call. Nowhere did I say you police people's comments. I didn't imply as such at all. That's a scapegoat you use to try n take a high ground n make others look bad.
You did indeed inject what wasn't said into the conversation, let's not bs here truthfully.

You claim there's no challenge yet I asked multiple times for you to refute my points about the topic and you refused to do so. Is that not what a challenge is? Or do you have your own definition of the term now? Also what'd I accuse you of that isn't true. Everyone n their mother can vouch n say you dang near always hop in to defend the OP no matter what. And you did Indeed let it be known your friends here tell you about what folks say to you when you have em ignored. Where in any of that have I lied? You don't have to like me, but you do need to be real here.

If you’ve been following along the dev team in general doesn’t touch endgame/hard raid content like savage either. They had a comment way back talking about how hard it was to balance because the skill of the test team of devs just isn’t that good compared to hardcore players. They are regularly surprised at how fast the player base figures out and clears content.

..Should we also cut all savage/ex?

In fact, I seem to remember waaay back where there simply wasn’t hard raid content, or even relics. The devs added them because there was demand for it by the player base to have something to do beyond just MSQ.

Island Sanctuary is just another “thing to do” to try to appeal to other players not interested in more of the same endgame activities. Doesn’t make it amazing, but I would say I’ve spent more time doing it than I have in all savage content in my entire play history. (That is to say, none). And I’ve only ever done Excalibur as a relic during shadowbringers…. So mission success if they were trying to find a way for me to burn playtime.

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Indeed. With the game haemorrhaging players these days

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...so not content with sweeping claims of speaking for a majority, you now claim to know sub numbers..I wont bother asking you how you know..since we know you dont, and are again making unfounded and unproven claims based on information you have no access to whatsoever.

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It is for me.

I am not surprised he hasnt had time to do the island, given his workload.

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also have seen a lot of people stop logging in at all in my friend list, and if those people leave, that does mean that quite a lot of people are quitting the game, either due to lack of content, or due to how boring the content is, or it's simply not worth the time anymore.

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Or they take a break, play other things and wait for the next patch. Forget that one did we?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

...so not content with sweeping claims of speaking for a majority, you now claim to know sub numbers..I wont bother asking you how you know..since we know you dont, and are again making unfounded and unproven claims based on information you have no access to whatsoever.



It is for me.

I am not surprised he hasnt had time to do the island, given his workload.

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Thanks, I needed a good laugh on that one.

Also yeah, the amount of people leaving in someone's friend list is a sign of the amount of people leaving the game, you liking it or not doesnt mean much.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Thanks, I needed a good laugh on that one.

Also yeah, the amount of people leaving in someone's friend list is a sign of the amount of people leaving the game, you liking it or not doesnt mean much.

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90% of my friend list still logs in daily. These statistics mean nothing. Most of the people I play with I've been playing with for years. Several of them since 2.2.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

90% of my friend list still logs in daily. These statistics mean nothing. Most of the people I play with I've been playing with for years. Several of them since 2.2.

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You are absolutely delusional, talking to you is like talking to a wall, have a good one.

And yes, OP is right to ignore you and block you, you are not worth wasting time for, which is why I will stop as well. You are in your own world and there is no getting you out of that, in your mind the game is absolutely perfect and anyone and everyone complaining about anything related to the game is a bait and a troll and doesnt deserve to have their complaints acknowledged.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You can play something and be unhappy about the game because there are no better options.

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that which keeps paying though he does not enjoy?

Even when I enjoyed the game more than I do at present I never consistently logged in on a daily basis. I'd say the same of my friends - and more often than not, a large part of it was due to having to 'stagger' content purposefully due to a lack of things to do when one is all caught up with the latest batch of MSQ's.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You are absolutely delusional, talking to you is like talking to a wall, have a good one

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That which can be claimed with anecdote can be dismissed by anecdote.