Island Sanctuary feels intentionally slow and inefficient.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

Island sanctuary is not without it's problems, (island coweries are next to useless, nothing can be bought with them that can't be found easier elsewhere, and seafarer coweries are rather difficult to accumulate) but overall it's a great addition to the game. it's a different style of content to what we've gotten before. it's a piece of content that keeps be occupied when i'm not doing battle content and it's something that will keep me occupied as a slowly build up my sanctuary over the next few weeks.

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The dyes and materia are useless to those of us that have been here for a while. Newer people might find it more useful. Down the road, I'm opting for getting my dyes with this currency over any other method. Perhaps the next pentameld attempts will also require a stop here.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Thus far the workshops won't do anything unless I manually gather every item they need to do things with.

I've just unlocked the granary so perhaps that will be better for acquiring materials. But up to this point there's been very little timegating and a whole lot of "this won't progress until you do it all by yourself".

Also, the mammets are obnoxious.

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Granaries are horrifically inefficient at gathering normal mats as compared to just going out and getting them yourself, and their only real use is in the rare materials you can only get through them, two of which are required for rank 3 renovations to the workshop/granary. As far as I can tell they're just a blue cowrie sink when our income of them is bad enough as it is lol, at least in the beginning of the season, maybe the six hour crafts after you get your groove up will have better cowrie yields.

Not sure what you might have expected? I dont think it has anything to do with not respecting players time but more to do with the fact that they dont want people to rush an do it all then complain because there isnt more. As far as it goes with being dusconnected from the rest of the game pretty sure the mentioned that at least during the last live letter if not other times too. I get it. Personally i would like to "no life" stuff when i can and feel like im making progress 10 points per node i wouldnt call time gated. Might not be much but its something, but thats just my 2 cents and im someone who just flew around deadium for hours on end gathering stuff just because i wanted to be in game and didnt have anything else going on, lol

Imagine, complaining that a time sink like Animal Crossing is...a time sink. You knew what you were signing up for.

It has been repeated I don't know how many times by SE - don't expect this to be anything fast. Don't expect this to be competitive. Don't expect housing. Don't expect too much out of this. Don't expect, don't expect, don't expect.

And some of you are expecting exactly what they told you not to.

Mind blowing. Really.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Imagine, complaining that a time sink like Animal Crossing is...a time sink. You knew what you were signing up for.

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Imagine, people thinking that the time sink with actual engagement and customization options is better then Island Sanctuary.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Crop growth is slow period. Even some housing crops take a week to grow depending on what it is. Would probably suggest just getting used to that.

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*stares into the distance with the haunted look of someone who mass-produces Thavnairian onions for her FC*

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I'm trying to give it some time, but so far a lot of it feels pointless. I have zero idea what I'm aiming for or what the connections/benefits to the rest of the game will be if any.

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I got a really nifty treehouse that I can sit in and craft raid food and pots while enjoying the pleasant scenery. This is a nice change of pace from the previous two tiers, where I would climb to the top of Kugane Tower to craft raid food and pots; I'll call it a benefit in my book. ;)

(On a somewhat alarming side note, I was not the only person that insane; I still have three people on my friends list who I would find up there on top of the tower doing the same thing.)

"I have zero idea what I'm aiming for or what the connections/benefits to the rest of the game will be if any."

Well, i enjoy cuddlin the animals and strocke the furry wall...just incase somebody slips me a jeffrey.
Ever heard of Zoo Tycoon?
Those green smileys above the animals...those smileys...i can still see them.

Greetz o/

How can people not get this is meant to be casual content? It's not meant to be efficient or anything. And it's all inter-related.

If the Granaries give more items per day, the following happens:
1. Green shell vendor items will increase in price to keep things balanced.
2. Renovations, Construction, and Handicrafts will all require more materials, again to keep things balanced.

Same reason animals give 1-2 items per day and that's it. And why we are limited to the number of Produce items we can harvest in a day.

It's all balanced and it all is balanced really well. You get a variety of items from the granary for doing NOTHING at all.

Besides which, the Granary is meant to give Rare resources. It's not meant to be used to farm up other stuff. Those are just passive bonuses to get those high value handicraft materials.

This sums up the community in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Valfreyja

How can people not get this is meant to be casual content?

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Thats because ppl are obsessed by the tiny voices inside their heads screamin "OMGGGG!!! IMAGINE WHAT COULD BE IF IT WOULD ALL BE LIKE I IMAGINE IT ALL!!!!"

Srsy, i cant find any other reason.

Greetz o/

Since everybody accessing this day one seemed to be clogging up the instance servers, I'm sure the time gating has something to do with prolonging the life of the content, but also something to do with encouraging people not to sit on that instance server 24/7 so that there is room for everyone to access what they need to access at some point.

Yeah that whole Rank 8 in 3 days is just super unnatural for me as a player. The content is so meant to be a fun distraction while you wait on queue for roulettes or doing other things.

Imagine being that hardcore about it :v.

Yep. All that grind and you still have to wait to earn currency.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Timmy A and Timmy B are casual and they can only play 1h per day but every 30 days they can play as long as they want.
Tedd A and Tedd B play 10h per day.

Timmy A and Tedd A live in a timeline with gatekeeping and Timmy B and Tedd B in one without.

SE introduce a new outfit that you get for actively play the game for 30h.

Timeline A:

Only 1h per day will count.

Timmy A and Tedd A will get the outfit after 30 days despite Tedd A had played for 300h and Timmy for 30h

Timeline B

Tedd B after 3 days has unlocked the outfit meanwhile Timmy B won't get it for another 27 days.


I'm sorry but no timegate clearly favor casuals.

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That's a poor example because in this example you're making it out to seem as if everyone needs to complete the task at the same time.

Besides that... you seem to forget all the small nuances that time gating has. How convenient.


Think about it this way. Casual and no-lifer start at the same time. Casual can play more on the weekends and can't even log in on the weekdays due to being tired or busy. Casual's weekends can only allow for them to put 3 hours of playtime in before they hit the time gate. Casual could potentially log in to use the resources they collected in the weekends during the weekdays quickly, but again, they're too tired or busy.

Meanwhile no-lifer is going to have a timer set and always jump right into the content as soon as the time gates let up. No-lifer will complete said content at the earliest possible moment, even if they are constantly time gated from doing so. Meanwhile casual will likely find themselves even further behind as they aren't immediately rushing to their pc/console to dive back into the game the moment their time gates are up.

The people that no life this game are always going to be ahead. Time gating content just means that the people that no life are going to be even further ahead.

Its basically a slightly more advanced Doman Restoration that will be supported in the future, but people internally hyped it up to be some game changing major content they could invest countless hours into despite the developers stating countless times to not do that.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

And what would all of this be..?

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Like yeah, it's "optional" but it's not removed from the rest of the game. I was simply asking because I wondered if maybe the shop expanded as you ranked up. Shame on me though for not taking the live letter's word for it 100%.

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Originally Posted by hagare

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If anyone should be slapping their forehead it should be me considering the immense amount of stupidity that you constantly pollute these forums with.

Stop responding to me until you're capable of posting intelligent responses.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

If anyone should be slapping their forehead it should be me considering the immense amount of stupidity that you constantly pollute these forums with.

Stop responding to me until you're capable of posting intelligent responses.

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How about this for a response. Why are you bringing attention to these shops in the first place? If its about the whole "this is removed from the rest of the game" argument, I think you're misinterpreting the idea here. Its removed from the rest of the game as in "this is not a required thing to do in order to progress in other aspects of the game such as msq, raids, gearing etc."

In case you want to point out that the vendors sell IX tier materia for gear maximing, you do realize there's multiple ways to acquire them and this is just yet another way you can obtain them if you so wish?

Excuse me for the assumptions here but I generally dont know what you're trying to get at here.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

How about this for a response. Why are you bringing attention to these shops in the first place? If its about the whole "this is removed from the rest of the game" argument, I think you're misinterpreting the idea here. Its removed from the rest of the game as in "this is not a required thing to do in order to progress in other aspects of the game such as msq, raids, gearing etc."

In case you want to point out that the vendors sell IX tier materia for gear maximing, you do realize there's multiple ways to acquire them and this is just yet another way you can obtain them if you so wish?

Excuse me for the assumptions here but I generally dont know what you're trying to get at here.

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So this started because on page 1 I mentioned that I wasn't entirely sure what I was aiming for with the IS. I stated that I wasn't sure what the connections/benefits to the rest of the game would be. Maybe poor wording on my part but queue multiple people quoting me telling me that I didn't watch the PLL(I did) and repeating the same old tirade of "this is removed from the rest of the game."

I then posted the shops pointing out there were some cosmetics, minions, orchestration rolls and other items in there(that I would like) and that I was curious if there might be more in the future in some form.

This was never about the materia. I'm sure you'll just label all of it as optional(which it is but that's not even the argument) or state that it's irrelevant(because let's face it, most of the player base decides that anything they don't want is irrelevant).

Either way, all I did was ask a question and people choose to be rude about it, so I choose to be rude back. This wasn't about making any points, it was just a simple, curious question. Take that as you will.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

It has been repeated I don't know how many times by SE - don't expect this to be anything fast. Don't expect this to be competitive. Don't expect housing. Don't expect too much out of this. Don't expect, don't expect, don't expect.

And some of you are expecting exactly what they told you not to.

Mind blowing. Really.

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Imagine having expectations anymore smh

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

So this started because on page 1 I mentioned that I wasn't entirely sure what I was aiming for with the IS. I stated that I wasn't sure what the connections/benefits to the rest of the game would be. Maybe poor wording on my part but queue multiple people quoting me telling me that I didn't watch the PLL(I did) and repeating the same old tirade of "this is removed from the rest of the game."

I then posted the shops pointing out there were some cosmetics, minions, orchestration rolls and other items in there(that I would like) and that I was curious if there might be more in the future in some form.

This was never about the materia. I'm sure you'll just label all of it as optional(which it is but that's not even the argument) or state that it's irrelevant(because let's face it, most of the player base decides that anything they don't want is irrelevant).

Either way, all I did was ask a question and people choose to be rude about it, so I choose to be rude back. This wasn't about making any points, it was just a simple, curious question. Take that as you will.

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My mistake then, I realize what you meant now. Sorry for coming off stand-offish. I was assuming that you took the whole vendor thing as a general negative.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Imagine having expectations anymore smh

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Imagine how much better the game industry would be if consumers didn't pay for games until they were relatively certain the game would meet their expectations instead of blinding throwing money around before release just to end up disappointed (the games industry doesn't care at that point - you already gave it your money).

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

If anyone should be slapping their forehead it should be me considering the immense amount of stupidity that you constantly pollute these forums with.

Stop responding to me until you're capable of posting intelligent responses.

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moooooooooooooooooo
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You guys don't know that looping sand is valid because there's achievement for gathering 30k times :)

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

I know a lot of people don't watch PLLs, but this was something Yoshida covered many times—it's removed from existing systems so it can exist on its own terms without outside influence.
It's meant to be a personal thing for you to pursue that doesn't influence or affect the game outside of it in any way.

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Its gonna be required for the relic somehow, I just know it.

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Originally Posted by Linpel

So you don't like, stardew valley, terraria, minecraft, rune factory, etc.

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Actually, no. I don't.

Animal crossing players when they can't time travel.

A non-issue for me. So far I find this feature quite enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

Bro how are you rank 8 in 3 days.

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You can functionally trade materials for XP at an unbounded rate; you can reconstruct a landmark into another landmark instantly, but evidently it still gives you nearly the amount of XP that constructing a landmark for the first time does. So if you gather a sufficiently large amount of a very limited set of materials, you could hypothetically go to one landmark plot and reconstruct, say, the windmill into a treehouse into a windmill into a treehouse into a windmill into a treehouse into a...

I'm not sure if this is an oversight, or just not considered a balance issue. (Either way, it's an interesting design choice, though I can see the benefit; if you build the wrong landmark, you don't have to wait another eight hours or whatever to get the one you wanted.)

I see no need to race through the content, so I've not bothered with it, but I can absolutely see how someone could utilize that to race to a higher rank.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Imagine how much better the game industry would be if consumers didn't pay for games until they were relatively certain the game would meet their expectations instead of blinding throwing money around before release just to end up disappointed (the games industry doesn't care at that point - you already gave it your money).

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This is less true with live service games. It is still somewhat true, but live service games want to keep people playing.

Island Santuary is just a worse version of WoWs Garrision system just without the forced time-gate tie in to the actual content of the game. Thats why OP is rank 8 on day 3. And thats why they are complaining. Its the exact same complaints about WoWs Garrision system.

Wish it would take advantage of the "normal" gathering, crafting and gardening systems, even if not related to your DoH/DoL-levels and stats outside of the island. Might as well throw in some (normal) fishing as well. Once you got your buildings set up all to do is wait for timers and/or burn out clicking on the same 10 nodes for hours.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

You can functionally trade materials for XP at an unbounded rate; you can reconstruct a landmark into another landmark instantly, but evidently it still gives you nearly the amount of XP that constructing a landmark for the first time does. So if you gather a sufficiently large amount of a very limited set of materials, you could hypothetically go to one landmark plot and reconstruct, say, the windmill into a treehouse into a windmill into a treehouse into a windmill into a treehouse into a...

I'm not sure if this is an oversight, or just not considered a balance issue. (Either way, it's an interesting design choice, though I can see the benefit; if you build the wrong landmark, you don't have to wait another eight hours or whatever to get the one you wanted.)

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You get less XP form reconstructing. Windmill/Tree Fort give 135 XP (for 50 materials) and Bathhouse gives 180 XP (for 53 materials). So Windmill/Tree Fort are slightly worse than spamming Sweetfeed or Makeshift Nets (10 XP for 3 materials) and Bathhouse is slightly better. Edit: Since you need to alternate between a 135 XP and 180 XP it comes out slightly worse than normal crafting either way (315 XP for 103 materials).
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Smart people have realizes very quickly that grinding mats just to lvl up their island was not the most efficient way.
They let the system run on its own, check the island every 4 - 8 hours, gather mats when needed, planning workshop's schedule-
-tending crops & animals and spend their time doing other stuffs.
No one tells you that the content was design to takes times ?

The only issue I have is that the mammets think it's ok to take 2 days off. I get that they need to recharge their aetherical batteries but that's what extension cords are for.

Graniary mammets work 24/7 with no issue, so why do the workshop mammets need to unionize like this?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Animal crossing players when they can't time travel.

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The funny thing is, I legit never did that. But I also don't subscribe to the idea that everything must be handed to me immediately. IS is pretty much what I was expecting and even surpasses what I thought it would be. It's a nice distraction after a night of min ilvl raiding. :D

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Imagine, complaining that a time sink like Animal Crossing is...a time sink. You knew what you were signing up for.

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This feature is absolutely nothing compared to AC or stardew, literally the only content here is clicking on nodes/animals and waiting for timers. A time sink should be something that actually allows you to sink time into it, not 90% a limsa plaza lifestyle sim.

The way this thread is swapping between comparing it to those games and blaming people for expecting it to be like those is honestly just bizarre.


Stuff below not in reference to the above quote.

Timegating combat stuff to keep it alive longer I get, but this is singleplayer content, I don't see how timers add anything to it. Could play casually without them, as heaps of players (including myself) have been doing with other content for ages now. Amount of content is the same either way.

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I'm trying to give it some time, but so far a lot of it feels pointless. I have zero idea what I'm aiming for or what the connections/benefits to the rest of the game will be if any.

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Making your own small island for the fun of it?

Why does there have to BE any benefit to the rest of the game? Its a standalone place for fun and relaxation..we've just averted the end of the world, stood against mighty foes..so now we have a place to kick back and relax for a change.

Not EVERY DAMNED THING has to be tied to player power.

Whats the rush?

so far i am having fun on my island gathering capturing and building up to rank 5 so far about 3 days so far.ps new update have made it to rank 9 need one more workshop renovation and a last land clearing for a lighthouse i think you get mount flying at rank 10.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Making your own small island for the fun of it?

Why does there have to BE any benefit to the rest of the game? Its a standalone place for fun and relaxation..we've just averted the end of the world, stood against mighty foes..so now we have a place to kick back and relax for a change.

Not EVERY DAMNED THING has to be tied to player power.

Whats the rush?

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It's not all about player power. Part of it's just motivations. It's normal to ask what's in it for me.

And that motivation can be as simple as the cosmetics, orchestration rolls, minions and so forth. It can also come in the form of a good looking island but right now... it looks so linear and it doesn't look like there's going to be lots of design options for IS, so I'm struggling to stay motivated that way.