Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

The way relics usually go is they're part of some questline, but then they have you do a bunch of random odds and ends to get parts for it. Run raids, dungeons, FATEs, etc etc until you have enough of the part, then hand it in and the weapon is created. It being attached to Hildibrand likely won't mess with the formula, but you can expect to see some funny designs and possibly a goofy cutscene when they make it.

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I loved the relic zones so we'll see how this goes. Doesn't sound like we're getting any and I think that was actually stated by the team although I don't have a link. They haven't expanded on it yet and hopefully we'll learn a lot more with the next live letter.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

It depends on the design of the weapons. If they're just clown weapons in design, I'll skip it altogether. If they're decent and can be grinded using roulettes etc., fine, then it's just a pity that any associated content won't be of much interest to me.

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This is a bit of a concern to me too, but I don't think they're going to be honestly.
It's not only Hildibrand, keep in mind that Gerolt is still involved too.

My guess is that they're not going to be '' clown weapons '' but moreso majestic and all golden and stuff maybe.
I think the design theme they might be going with is something like '' masterpiece ''.
I don't think it'll be like the Saucer weapons or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

that's how a lot of people felt about eureka and bozja (like myself), so this is fair and makes perfect sense.

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Many people enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. The latter was cut short artificially despite being planned to be meatier - so I don't think that qualifies as 'fair'. Especially not when more and more of the game is increasingly steeped in inoffensive, wacky humour.

It's a matter of balance and I hope they can manage to maintain it.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

You are assuming they are "powerful"..they could just as easily be glamour weps.

This sounds like fun....remember what that is? Fun? Enjoyment?

Not every damned thing in the FF 14 world has to be tied to player power

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Stop trolling. Relic weapons have been stronger than current content, only second to savage weapons.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I guess you never did the ARR Relic Kettle quest. lol...

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Just so we all know how those kettle quests work: you do relic first, learn some lore for Zodiark Braves, and only after the relic is done you have a meme quest about a kettle.

What we have now though, you have 4 DLCs of not-every-one's-cup-'o-tea humor to get to the start of relic quest.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

This is a bit of a concern to me too, but I don't think they're going to be honestly.
It's not only Hildibrand, keep in mind that Gerolt is still involved too.

My guess is that they're not going to be '' clown weapons '' but moreso majestic and all golden and stuff maybe.
I think the design theme they might be going with is something like '' masterpiece ''.
I don't think it'll be like the Saucer weapons or anything like that.

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This is what I'm expecting. I mean, look at the kettles. Yes they're a bit silly but they also are visually impressive. We can expect no less from Gerolt and Godbert is a master goldsmith. I'd love if they brought Jalzahn back into things, too.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Many people enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. The latter was cut short artificially despite being planned to be meatier - so I don't think that qualifies as 'fair'. Especially not when more and more of the game is increasingly steeped in inoffensive, wacky humour.

It's a matter of balance and I hope they can manage to maintain it.

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And many people enjoy Hildebrand, its ok you don't like it. Again, that's fair, its your opinion. The ARR Relic Quest was just as silly (still love my relic kettles for monk!) so I think it'll be fun to go back to that.

I agree there needs to be a balance. It's a "wait and see thing", no point in speculating I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

This is a bit of a concern to me too, but I don't think they're going to be honestly.
It's not only Hildibrand, keep in mind that Gerolt is still involved too.

My guess is that they're not going to be '' clown weapons '' but moreso majestic and all golden and stuff maybe.
I think the design theme they might be going with is something like '' masterpiece ''.
I don't think it'll be like the Saucer weapons or anything like that.

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Here's hoping. When I hear about relics I'm thinking about something powerful, no matter how it was introduced. If they make the relic steps funny but keep the designs acceptable, then fine, so be it.

All I'm seeing is 10 pages that demonstrate how the target audience and playerbase has shifted away from what originally brought me to this game. This is just disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Many people enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. The latter was cut short artificially despite being planned to be meatier - so I don't think that qualifies as 'fair'. Especially not when more and more of the game is increasingly steeped in inoffensive, wacky humour.

It's a matter of balance and I hope they can manage to maintain it.

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Agreed. I'm also concerned we will see more of this seep over into the MSQ again, because I am not entirely sure Yoshi is going to scale back from 6.1 when he thought that was the "limit" of what they can take it to. At the end of the day it means the expansion will involve less world-building of interest to me, if it adheres to the usual Hildibrand tone.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

All I'm seeing is 10 pages that demonstrate how the target audience and playerbase has shifted away from what originally brought me to this game. This is just disappointing.

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Never forget, "tiny minority". :)

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

All I'm seeing is 10 pages that demonstrate how the target audience and playerbase has shifted away from what originally brought me to this game. This is just disappointing.

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I'm pretty sure people who loved Hildebrand and silly story lines have always been here. Just not everyone likes the same sort of content.

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Originally Posted by Astra_Deferr

Just so we all know how those kettle quests work: you do relic first, learn some lore for Zodiark Braves, and only after the relic is done you have a meme quest about a kettle.

What we have now though, you have 4 DLCs of not-every-one's-cup-'o-tea humor to get to the start of relic quest.

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Ahem, 4 DLCS of skippable cutscenes. Most of Hildibrand is cutscenes, so catching up is quick and easy if you're not a fan of the humor.

I could never get into the hildibrand quests, and even at times I disliked Bozja. But if I'm being forced to pick between Bozja and this, then I pick Bozja all day every day. So no new field operations?

Incredibly based of Yoshi P to tie the Hilde questline to the Relic. Takes no time to skip the quest if you dont like it.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I'm pretty sure people who loved Hildebrand and silly story lines have always been here. Just not everyone likes the same sort of content.

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These people were not being catered to directly in the MSQ and now in relic content in the way that is happening now. Looks like with "quest centric progression" we've lost the exploratory zones as well.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Ahem, 4 DLCS of skippable cutscenes. Most of Hildibrand is cutscenes, so catching up is quick and easy if you're not a fan of the humor.

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Not to mention you get some pretty fun trials skipping through the story.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

All I'm seeing is 10 pages that demonstrate how the target audience and playerbase has shifted away from what originally brought me to this game. This is just disappointing.

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Hildibrand has always been a beloved part of this game, all the way back to ARR. They brought him back when they hadn't planned to because the demand was made loud and clear to them.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

These people were not being catered to directly in the MSQ and now in relic content in the way that is happening now. Looks like with "quest centric progression" we've lost the exploratory zones as well.

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Did they say Relic was going to be tied to MSQ this time? It's not always so I must have missed that. If you could cite sources I would greatly appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I'm pretty sure people who loved Hildebrand and silly story lines have always been here. Just not everyone likes the same sort of content.

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And now we finally have a solid reason not to mix try-hard relic farmers with easy-going Hildy fans. Not to offend the guy, but people always liked him for silly humor, not for weapons. We like Gerolt for weapons and Rowena for bullying Geralt into making said weapons. They don't need third party in their perfectly dysfunctional relationships.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It is if they're joke weapons...and yes, I will keep repeating this until people get the point, so be prepared to hear it repeated A LOT.

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If they're joke weapons. What if they're not?

I'm not even going to bother elaborating further because there's no point. I just want FFXVI or the Tactics Ogre remaster to release already so I don't have to deal with this.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

If they're joke weapons. What if they're not?

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They're probably not, Gerolt was in the screenshots given.

You have two months to do them. Please find something more interesting to cry about.

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Originally Posted by Kinkarcana

Incredibly based of Yoshi P to tie the Hilde questline to the Relic. Takes no time to skip the quest if you dont like it.

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If you're going to skip it, it would be easier just not to do it.

If you want to eat an apple, why would you buy an apple packed in 16 layers of gift paper?

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

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Oh that's going to get removed.

Something else to remember with the connection to the questline is more than likely Hildy either won't be there or might at most make a cameo. But this is a questline where we also really get to know another side to Godbert. And there's also Greg and his connection to the Aetherial Rift/Void type of things. If you don't do these questlines, you will only know Godbert in a more superficial fashion rather than being a good friend of his son, and you won't know Greg at all.

Tying the relic to Hildibrand quests is a bit strange but eh, it’s content. The Hildibrand quests have been around since 1.0 as well so it’s not like it’s something suddenly new. If you’ve been avoiding them all this time, then you now have a reason to do them. If you’re not going to get relic this time around out of some sort of self-imposed rule to not do silly content then oh well I guess.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

All I'm seeing is 10 pages that demonstrate how the target audience and playerbase has shifted away from what originally brought me to this game. This is just disappointing.

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I’ve been in the game since the very beginning and nothing has changed. You must not have spent any time in Lower Limsa Lominsa.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

I already know I do not find Hildibrand fun at all. With a new quest line, I don't know if I'll like it or not before I've done it. Do you see the issue now?

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That sounds more like a you problem.
Hildi has been here since ARR. He wouldn't still be here if he wasn't popular. Skip it if you don't care. Problem solved.

What a great decision. Hildibrand is some of the games best content, and judging by this thread, it's obvious there are many who need to have their hand forced a bit.

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Stop trolling. Relic weapons have been stronger than current content, only second to savage weapons.

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As I said, they could easily be glamour weapons as well. How about we WAIT and get more details?

Horrendous decision.

"But everyone likes it, you're wrong".

*sigh*

It's probably due to costs. Hildy questlines are pretty expensive to design from an animation/camera angle standpoint.

Though Relic weapons have always been a staple - yet not a mandatory quest to do. I don't see a problem to combine both. As everyone knows... relics are pretty much optional. You just basically grab it for glamour. It will take quite a while before it can even become the highest stats for a weapon - generally near end-expansion, so it's generally faster to grab a raid-weapon /tomestone gear weapon instead.

Plus, it's a huge timesink to spend. Having the Hildebrand questline tied into this... doesn't seem much of a difference? You're already spending a huge timesink to get the weapon anyway. Seeing that you can skip hildebrand cutscenes if you don't like them, it's not much of a difference.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I don’t even think Ivalice is as time consuming

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Ivalice took me a full day to complete and that was AFTER ShB relics were a thing in-game.
Meanwhile, we have Hildibrand questline requirement now, which you can complete in a couple of hours and even less if you skip all dialogues and cutscenes (The latter which is lengthy and contributes the most to the length of Hildibrand questlines)
Also, Hildibrand SB trial has an absurd long queue time, and with Hildibrand being a requirement now, it would help boost the queue times on Hildibrand duties.

So far I only see positive points here, with the only negative point being locking the relic weapons behind a questline, but that's not the first time and I think it's the standard now.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

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Nooo Yoshi samaaa, I don't want to do that.

My main issue is, they know a lot (or at least a reasonable amount) of people don't like Hildibrand, given that they took the step of not locking trials behind it (admittedly they removed that because if people don't want to do it they probably don't care about the trial) so then if they know that people really don't like it (I for one can't stand that kind of "humour") so to force that on people, regardless of cutscene skipping, just seems like a dick move to me. I think I'd rather skip the rest of the expansion, than do Hildibrand, even with cutscene skipping.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That sounds more like a you problem.
Hildi has been here since ARR. He wouldn't still be here if he wasn't popular. Skip it if you don't care. Problem solved.

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Cool, who asked or cares if Hildibrand is popular? Has literally nothing to do with what I said. They're tying something I enjoy (the relic storylines and relic quests) to something I do not like. I'm allowed to be disappointed and upset about that, you know? :) If you don't like or care about my posts, sounds like you should skip them. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Voldara

given that they took the step of not locking trials behind it

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But there is trials locked behind it. 3 if I recall correctly.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

What a great decision. Hildibrand is some of the games best content, and judging by this thread, it's obvious there are many who need to have their hand forced a bit.

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They might have their hand forced, but not in the way you may think. Skipping it, for example. :) Or, for some, unsubbing, as it is yet another addition in a growing stack of content they don't like.

I don't know. In my eyes, I think SE should really evaluate whether or not to work on content they feel they need to merge with a relic questline in order to get players to do it. I mean they continue to work on things like this when things like instanced housing, deep dungeons, and reducing bots are among the highest in demand.

Besides, how can you truly know which players truly enjoy the Hildabrand questline when you make it a requirement for something they do actually want? Do you want to force content down our throats, or actually give players the ability to choose which content they go into?