Are you enjoying this?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

This fails to be a valid argument when you lock a shitload of cosmetics you know everyone will want behind pvp.

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PvP cosmetics are more accessible now than they've been at any point in the game's history.
You're showered with currency whether you win or lose, and nothing is locked behind rank except portrait frames.
Get serious. Zero people on the forum are complaining that it's too hard to unlock cosmetics.
It's just "boo-hoo I'd be top 100 for sure but my teammates are bad and my opponents are cheating" in every other thread.

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Originally Posted by Coffex

Are you actually having fun in pvp? -snip-

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Overall yeah, a lot.

Keep in mind, yeah, I've been complaining about a lot of things about this game. I've malded about Bioblaster, Overheat, Purify, Guard, all of Gunbreaker, monkey flips, samurai kills and more but honestly? I find this mode more enjoyable than regular PvE mode now. I don't have to gear up in it, which is a bonus. I hate FFXIV gear stats.

Why do I enjoy it? Because it's ready to be played at full-skill right out of the box. I can express my skill infinitely more than I can with just doing a rotation over and over again and just see how tight I can make it. Every button feels more of a snap decision that needs to be considered at every turn, and I have to keep a constant look at the map and the position of my friends and my enemies. The game is still jank, connectivity is trash despite Yoshi-P saying the netcoding is fine, but in this your enemy is also dealing with the same garbage netcode.

On CC I need to consider more closely what every move I make is, while positioning is slightly less important than wall-blocking someone. But on Frontlines I need to consider the map and over-all war tactics when moving along with this heard of angry cats that is your team. And picking people off in the middle of this messy storm of AoEs is a threat to me, either chain-deleting people on Ninja, poison-softening groups with Biolysis, deleting a target way off in the backline with Marksman's Spite, or just smashing entire teams on SMN/DRG/WHM. It makes me feel more powerful than whatever PvE can pretend to throw at me. How many "gods" have we defeated so far? Nothing compared to killing 20 Warriors of Light per Frontline match on a good Machinist match.

Hell, the rewards from Wolf Marks and Crystals is adorable, but utterly unnecessary for me. I'd keep playing this mess of a mode if it actually cost me gil to do. Instead the game ens up showering me with Tomestones and Marks that I constantly need to find a way to get rid of. X_X Getting cool horses, a cool Archfiend outfit and some other assorted stuff is nice, though.

Oh yeah, and I used to enjoy PvP decently enough on pre-6.1 Frontlines. Making a team immortal on WHM is a feeling I'll never get to have again, I'll miss it but it's a good thing it is gone. Fully bursting someone with a Wildfire that still compiled damage like Stormblood was also amazing in Frontlines to see a guy melt. And I'm actually kind of angry that they made us Cast-walk on Bard and Machinist, but remembering what it was before I can respect the new bold decision... Hell, the Cast-walk system is entirely new to FFXIV, I can appreciate the effort on it. (PvP was always kind of a testing ground for the actual game, huh?) I will NOT miss the mass of Tanks golfing people off of cliffs. I still remember some names of people that did that and ONLY that through the entirety of the match, Dash, Stun, Knockback off a cliff, run away with impunity... Or the way that a Warrior could lock you up on Holmgang, which always came perfectly in range of a Weapon Throw...

So yes, I'm enjoying PvP immensely, despite all the flaws I keep malding about.

I'm having a metric ton of fun in pvp.

I'd have more fun if the following were addressed:

1. Class disparity in kits
2. CC and purify
3. Guard
4. Server ping in 5v5
5. Team Matchups/Matchmaking
6. Literally any kind of group option to queue up with at least ONE friend.

Right now I normally log in do my pve stuff and to kill time sometimes I'll do pvp or I'll just hit hard when most the fc is offline. It normally starts to get worse as I keep fighting to only lose my rank because of three back to back fights where the opposing party has a PLD WAR WHM and two dps while I'm a single SGE and 4 dps lol.

I am having fun with the mode, and hope further pvp changes are made and more modes added for this rather than trying to "fix" frontlines. A capture the point like frontlines but 5v5 where you have to dps and aoe and stuff at the same time would be interesting and I like the matches that don't feel like I have to dedicate a whole day to running between points.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnwaen

PvP cosmetics are more accessible now than they've been at any point in the game's history.
You're showered with currency whether you win or lose, and nothing is locked behind rank except portrait frames.
Get serious. Zero people on the forum are complaining that it's too hard to unlock cosmetics.
It's just "boo-hoo I'd be top 100 for sure but my teammates are bad and my opponents are cheating" in every other thread.

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You have a seriously messed up definition of "showered".

It feels super lack luster. Too many fun class abilities taken away imo... I don't see myself engaged as much as before all of the new changes.

I've been enjoying the new PvP system a fair bit, personally. Games aren't all that long, the classes feel like they always have something available to use and aren't sitting on long CD's, the actual flow of a game feels good to me. The thematic limit breaks are pretty fun to use, and of the classes I've messed around with (DRG/MCH/DNC) they, at least, have a lot of little things in their kits to think about when engaging players. (I do want to try some more classes out, but it takes a bit for me to get used to how they play)

Won't say it's like... the cream of the crop of PvP games, but it's fun enough for me to willingly queue up for it more than a few times when I want to do something in XIV but don't feel like raiding or w/e. But, then again, their other modes/discontinued modes were also an extremely (further) cry away from a decent PvP game.

There's some issues here and there -- the inherent delay the game has makes some actions you want to come out much faster feel sluggish, the same delay also affecting things like an incoming attack's damage already checking before you apply guard, making it feel wonky when you put the guard up but still take a bunch of damage (it's like... work around-able, but at the same time it doesn't feel crisp and snappy at all -- same with purify, though at least in some cases you can pre-hit it when you see a skill animation start and you'll basically instant break the cc). Some classes feel a bit on the strong side, and others a bit too far on the weaker side of the spectrum -- granted, I do think some people were a bit quick to judge some jobs in the game since a lot of jobs I was a bit curious about do seem to be seeing more play/more success (which, I figured it'd just take time for people to learn them a bit better in some cases).

However, I have yet to have a game where a GNB (Enemy or Ally) felt like they existed. (Reapers after their buff seem... very feast or famine-y? I haven't played this job since day 1 so I honestly have no idea how it's been feeling. I'll just see the same player excel in one game, then flounder the next and so on).

As for the ranking system... I don't... really care? I got to Crystal in... I think 64/87 games? Then I just tried out MCH/DNC for a while and tanked my Crystal Credit (I mean, I felt like I did get to a competent spot on MCH, but not... able to clutch out situations as often as I'd like, though fighting melee on it for the most part was kind of a fun thing to learn how to do, since it felt so... micro-manage-y compared to DRG at least).

But, again; for the ranking system... it's just any other old ranking system, to be honest. Sure, you can't demote tiers, but I don't entirely see how that matters all that much when demoting down a riser is, kind of, basically the same overall effect (I mean, theoretically, they could just add more risers to a tier to simulate the effect anyway). To a degree... I almost think people who enjoy the game mode and want to play might actually play more after hitting a new tier (no risk in losing it/the rewards, and only an incentive to possibly climb higher)... which I kind of see as a good thing for a game mode you want people to populate?

And, onto that, I've been reading the discussions around about the ranked system and while some people claim it's incredibly easy to climb (I mean, it definitely can be -- was for me) there's still a lot of people complaining about being stuck in tiers and, from time to time I'd check the ranked standings and see people in bronze with 200+ wins. So, I feel like there's some dissonance there. (Granted yes, other games it's more difficult to climb rank in -- but, also, not really? It's just more games played, that's the metric and playing 1000 30~ minute League games just sounds... eugh, compared to like... 200~ or so 5m CC matches. Or OW games -- I got to diamond in one season and just... never touched ranked again, games took too long and when it was clear you were in the losing match-up it just felt like a bunch of time down the drain. Stopped being fun, basically especially when I felt like casual games had about the same feel).

Generally, all I tend to care about for a high-end competitive scene when it comes to ranked PvP games is... not the ranks, at all. It's usually just people who're playing in tournaments (community tournaments, sponsored tournaments, official tournaments etc...) while climbing feels Good for the scoreboard -- absolutely -- it's never... in any game I've ever played... been much more than just a scoreboard number. Something to point at and go "cool/grats".

I will say, though, Crystal does feel a bit weird to me. I do have some really good games in the tier, where everyone feels like they're putting in the work on both teams and there's some interesting interactions/events/ability usage/I-Have-to-Be-More-Clever... and then there's some games when... somehow, and this did happen once, a single, lone red mage at the start of the game managed to kill four of my teammates while I engaged with the enemy DRG (and now, in Guard and fending off the rest of their team, see that my teammates have backpedaled with just... a RDM, 1v4ing and... winning?). And... moments like those feel... odd, but I guess there's a part of it that can be people playing New Classes because they don't really care at this point about going higher and just want to learn something new, or people who maybe were a little less than stellar in their prior games rising up and were just genuinely lucky the whole way through [I'm more of a benefit of the doubt person, but I suppose it's not impossible]).

The bad games are infrequent enough for me to not really care too much, especially as I tend to skip the queues when there's players I just do not want to be on the same team with again. But the good games -- which, the good games can also be a little rare, with most kinda being in-between-y; those good games feel really solid to play in and I don't think I've ever been salty when I felt like I was genuinely just bested/outplayed/outsmarted by someone else. Might loose the 85 ~ 100 credit score, but I had a good time, y'know?

I guess, a part of me figures that the Matchmaking in Crystal could be improved to be based more on Crystal Credit (searching for players in similar ranges, expanding out as a certain amount of time elapses etc... as some games do), which might help with match consistency? But matchmaking's always been a problem in all ranked PvP games since, after a point, there just simply aren't enough players of a particular play level to actually pull from to populate a single game (at all) and the alternative is either having wider skill variance, or... 1hr+ queue times.

As for Cheating/Trolls:

- I've encountered like... maybe 1 or 2 suspicious things, and even then it's like "probably just in my head with all the cheater's gone rampant talk"

- I've encountered... two genuine trolls (throwing the game on purpose), one in Crystal and one in like... Plat or something.

So... these things haven't had a particularly big impact on me, to be honest.

Kinda said a lot, which... it's all kind of observations/thoughts that've been in my head the more I've played/experienced the new mode. I don't really see it as a High-End Competitive game, to be honest, though it is a fun game and the ranking system felt... satisfying, to me, to go through at least.

But, I mean, if there were community tournaments or something along the lines hosted for it -- I'd prolly give it a watch.




tl;dr: I like the game mode and just tossed out some thoughts that were in my head with regards to it, and some of the discussions surrounding it. I think it's fun, has a solid foundation and feels good to play. Inherent delay sucks, I don't think the ranking system SE went with is that big of a deal, and I feel like a lot of people are kind of saying "this thing is the truth" while contradictory anecdotes are being said the other post over, independently.

Kinda think the cheater thing is blown out of proportion (that, or I'm just the luckiest person to ever queue up for PvP at whatever hour). Don't deny there are cheaters, but I don't think they're literally pouring from the walls and so on.

The only place where I hear overwhelming negativity is here on the PvP forum because that's the premier destination to complain. CC is far from perfect, but try and tell me it's worse than the Feast days after visiting the Wolves' Den.

I had a blast getting to crystal and didn't meet any obvious cheating
Kind of a shame the game mode wasn't this fun when it had all those really cool mounts. maybe they'll do recolors of them for top 100 in the future or something like wow did

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

If you play pvp for fun, it won't last long

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...ok

anyway
i've been able to enjoy pvp and i think i continue doing so by, like

having opinion position(??) that these are just cool, virtual version of capture the flag or tag

like games we used to play as kids outdoors. it got rowdy there sometimes. it gets rowdy here too, sometimes. but it's fun. to me, but surely i'm not the only one?

but no point in hanging all of your enjoyment, ego, worth and any serious answer of life and universe on videogame pvp

i quickly gave up on ranked because i have no time to pour that much time into it. or skill. season levels are enough for me. look, shiny!

(since 6.1: archfiend sets farmed for 2 characters, 3rd comign together nicely, 1 set of garo horses gotten, one alt got 2/3 so that is coming together nicely)

Absolutely not. Once I get the 3 Garo mount achievements I'm probably not gonna touch PVP again until SE finally grows a brain and learns proper balancing.

Having no diminishing returns on crowd control, Guard being an instant get-out-of-jail-free card to cheat death, and the massive self healing with recuperate makes me think that the developers who designed and playtested (hah) the new PVP rework are either incompetent or ignorant. I'm betting the former.

What needs to happen are the following: Diminishing returns on all forms of CC, Guard being nerfed to a 60 second cooldown and/or only preventing damage from LB's, and the self healing knocked down to maybe 10-12K would go a long way to making things more fair. Also nerf WHM's Death Star superlaser. The damage and the stun are not the problem, rather it's the range and recharge rates which are truly psychotic.

I'm not bothering with ranked because I see no benefit to it, other than portrait frames or whatever (whoo-hoo). Anyway I've got enough problems as it is without dealing with ranked pvp...

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Originally Posted by Petite

The only place where I hear overwhelming negativity is here on the PvP forum because that's the premier destination to complain. CC is far from perfect, but try and tell me it's worse than the Feast days after visiting the Wolves' Den.

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Yes it was better during "Feast days" because during Feast days we had 3 pvp modes that all worked relatively well and had actual class roles.
Now we have one game mode (crystal conflict), one role (dps) and a design philosophy revolving around a clusterfuck of chain cc and "ults".

In the end it simply depends on what you are looking for.

Nowadays and for a very long time I was only going into frontlines. For me that patch is a dead end. Not even talking about that everything gets easier.

So after 7 years my subscription runs out for now. Most likely till the next expansion or any interesting raid.

Ranked is an absolute dice throw. It's not fun.

And quite honestly the old pvp jobs felt "simple enough for you to focus on the actual objectives instead" while keeping job identities and not making them too braindead. These job redesigns just went over the edge for me.

I find this to be the least fun version of PVP. I do like the concept of CC. It has a lot of potential. The balancing seems...poor, as does the matchmaking. I find myself beating a team, just to queue again and somehow get paired with 2-3 of them and just get killed. A few matches back, 2 of my teammates only managed 30k damage, which really just hurts any chances. Not being able to change your class feels so weird too. Look at something like Overwatch where you adjust your class based on your team comp, or even have some required comps. This is just hope you get a good comp.

I want to like this, but it feels that, as always, PVP just doesn't get proper love. It has a lot of the same issues it always had, and if you want to speak up on it, you're just going to have the "pros" come in and tell you to get good or how your feelings on the matter are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Serisu_Sheru

I find this to be the least fun version of PVP. I do like the concept of CC. It has a lot of potential. The balancing seems...poor, as does the matchmaking. I find myself beating a team, just to queue again and somehow get paired with 2-3 of them and just get killed. A few matches back, 2 of my teammates only managed 30k damage, which really just hurts any chances. Not being able to change your class feels so weird too. Look at something like Overwatch where you adjust your class based on your team comp, or even have some required comps. This is just hope you get a good comp.

I want to like this, but it feels that, as always, PVP just doesn't get proper love. It has a lot of the same issues it always had, and if you want to speak up on it, you're just going to have the "pros" come in and tell you to get good or how your feelings on the matter are wrong.

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If you consider that all thosr adjustments have been done from scratch, the current Design is pretty decent, sure it has its flaws like the MNK Stunlock BS or RDM, but it could have been ALOT worse.

PvP is way harder to adjust properly than PvE, since the slightest changes, can have, unlike in PvE, alot of impact (please spare me any Parsing excuses from Raiding, those are just First World issues).

Overwatch isnt a good comparison to MMO PVP btw. While i get your point on the matter, PvP in MMORPG were always rather quick and unforgiving in nature, simply by the way how the game itself is being played.

IF you really want to enjoy PvP, i recomment not taking it too seriously. While losing is never a nice thing, as long as you stay persistent with your favorite Job, even a non-meta Job can turn a Game arround (since non-meta Jobs do have one advantage, they are harder to predict by metaplayers if you know your stuff).

Those are merely my two cents on the matter.

I've played in PvP since ARR, and I still find this to be the least fun though. I can't just keep accepting "if could have been worse" as it eventually just becomes a waste of resources if it's not enjoyable, buy "could be worse."

Even if Overwatch isn't a good comparison, it was more for the point that being able to adjust would be nice. 5 dps vs 3 dps, a tank, and a healer feels unbalanced.

As for enjoying PVP, I have always found PVP fun when I'm not trying to win, but in this case, I also don't find fun in constant stun locks and just amazing balance issues. To me, this is the least fun version of PVP, with a great idea. It can be turned around, but needs some love and attention, which I still feel SE doesn't give.

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Originally Posted by LowIQ

Now is a bad time for this.
Before the revamp we had pvp modes like rival wings and frontline to play casually for fun but now it's all about crystal conflict. RW got canned completely and FL doesn't go well with how the new pvp is designed.

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I think Frontline is more fun now. Sure jobs need tweaking but the skills have a better flow and its nice to see people actually playing. I love that the matches are neck and neck. As before I did say they need to get rid of the Shattered map, no one really likes that map. I also hope they redo Rival Wings because it was a blast when you get people on both sides that know how to play that partricular PvP style.

I don't understand the urge to drag PvE players into PvP. This has a touch of trying to pull FPS players into a MMO. That barely works.

It's the same odd developement that everything gets easier. Soon we only play with 2-3 button clicks? Or completely automated like in some mobile games?

I really like the new pvp mode, moreso than any of the other modes but I took a break after getting stuck in a ranking rut and being discouraged about people cheating. My game play revolves around a mandatory rule of only doing things that I enjoy so when I feel I can enjoy it, I will go back to it.

I hate Purify not functioning correctly.
Past that, I'm down with the new PvP system.

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Originally Posted by Katsuragi_

Ranked is an absolute dice throw. It's not fun.

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Casual is the same really.

I had fun with CC but I think the dice roll aspect bored me rather fast. Some games we steamroll the enemy team and sometimes we get steamrolled. I'm usually contributing well to my team and it would be wrong to say skill has no impact, maybe 3-5%, but overall I'm really just rolling a dice each game. I'm not sure why but it's hard to have a game where I feel good play had a real impact.

There are things I like and dislike about it:

Like:

- I can work toward the rewards on my own time
- I progress whether I win or lose, but I progress MORE when I win
- There is much more emphasis on group coordination. No single class can carry a match (some classes are better than others though)
- Matches are shorter

Dislike:
- The entire volcano map.
- The tornados on the wind map that can stun-lock you into a corner (I like the concept, just not that part of it)
- That some classes have greater advantages (cough, samurai) over others. Come on...two moves that disregard Guard AND a bind AND a shield and an lb that also ignores guard)

I don't necessarily think there are more win-traders/cheaters but I think that because so many more people are playing PVP now that the people that are out there trading and cheating are more noticeable. SE needs to come down as hard on them as quickly as they did with NSFW adventurer plates.

Fun:

+ the surprise combo of CC/redesign/garo has revitalized PvP by bringing in more players than ever before
+ queue times are really fast
+ series reward grid is a great feature and makes you feel like you are progressing
+ you can now get the garo and achievement mounts and basic series rewards fairly easily
+ several frontline players seem to have learned their job skills, probably via CC
+ killing dragoons is something we can all get on board with

Irritating:

- many new players means many ineffective players
- losing repeatedly due to factors you can't control is frustrating
- some jobs seem to be much more effective than others on the average
- most jobs can't easily carry an ineffective team that ignores objectives, keeps dying in 1v5 fights, etc.
- no placement system so you're really going to get a lot of ineffective teams
- occasionally a player drops out so you end up on a 4p team, which is hard to win with
- party comp can help a lot but is largely random and can't be changed in CC
- RNG strongly influences win streaks and lose streaks which affect "ranking"
- ran out of things I wanted to spend trophy points on
- Secure is still a tedious slog vs. the other (more fun imho) frontline modes
- I miss Rival Wings even though it was only possibly to play on Saturdays on our DC
- dragoons keep respawning

There's an entire pvp discord of 30k+ people for final fantasy and most of them are disgusted by the changes including myself. It's vile compared to earlier version but not as bad as the first days of it

Time will tell whether the stream of casuals can keep it alive.

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Originally Posted by Sidamel

Time will tell whether the stream of casuals can keep it alive.

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Considering they COMPLETELY destroyed frontlines in order to 'rebalance' everything around this mode...damn.

Okay pvp is dead until next expansion.

So... I don't really care about the win-trading cheating stuff, my biggest gripes with the current PvP mode is that the dev team really take their sweet time to make changes and it seems that when they do change stuff is just superficial. WAR still is simpler to play and has more utility than any of the other tanks + a burst phase to compensate their overall lack of damage(AKA low risk high reward gameplay), WHM still is completely obnoxious to play against, an undispellable CC in a gamemode where you can be burst down in seconds was a really dumb choice, RDMs having both damage and utility while some jobs have neither is an extremely weird decision, etc.

The problem with PvP when compared to PvE is that PvP needs to be actively moderated in order to keep the population healthy, the mode is by it's own nature is stressful, you don't have full control of the situation as you depend on your team, metas tend to be very clear, sometimes bugs gives advantages to jobs and if said job isn't disabled it causes a lot of frustration and so on and so forth, if they keep this thing where PvP is only ever updated when a new 6.x patch comes out, it's going to die again unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

So... I don't really care about the win-trading cheating stuff, my biggest gripes with the current PvP mode is that the dev team really take their sweet time to make changes

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Guy.

The current PvP mode hasn't existed for even four weeks yet, and it received a balance and bug fix patch at the end of week 2.

In what universe does that qualify as the devs taking their sweet time?

PvP has a lot of issues right now (though most are the fault of players, not SE),
but I'd love to know what game you're playing that makes it look like the devs are taking their sweet time with changes.

I like it but I am constantly reminded of how frustrating FFXIV is on a fundamental level. Like when you get CC'd, and you want to respond with a purify, and a guard to not get deleted, maybe 3:4 odds of that guard registering in time. It just feels bad. Multiple things to weave feel bad. Knockback position updating feels really bad. The game feels unresponsive; in a PvE environment, for the most part it's better designed to keep up with that. In PvP and how fast the battle situation shifts, it can feel really horrible and I hope they can make some fundamental improvements at some point to remedy that.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnwaen

Guy.

The current PvP mode hasn't existed for even four weeks yet, and it received a balance and bug fix patch at the end of week 2.

In what universe does that qualify as the devs taking their sweet time?

PvP has a lot of issues right now (though most are the fault of players, not SE),
but I'd love to know what game you're playing that makes it look like the devs are taking their sweet time with changes.

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Considering they allowed WHM to straight up have a bug that turned them into the most obnoxiously hard to kill job in a match for 2 weeks without even disabling it if the bug was hard to fix through hotfixes, this of course being during the time where everyone was hyped and playing it all the time which only served to add to the overall frustration with the gamemode, yes, I do think that qualifies as them taking their sweet time.

Also, while I do believe there's a lot of player issues, I find it hard to believe that cheating and wintrading impact the vast majority of the player base, as opposed to their terrible balance(even after the "balance" patch that didn't really fix any core issues in job design) or RNG based matchmaking that makes ranking up more about getting lucky enough to get more meta jobs on your team than any actual skill, especially since there isn't much of a learning curve to begin with.

the Crystalline Conflict idea is great, the core systems behind it... Not so much.

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Originally Posted by Oni_Akuma

There's an entire pvp discord of 30k+ people for final fantasy and most of them are disgusted by the changes including myself. It's vile compared to earlier version but not as bad as the first days of it

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It's interesting, I normally hate PvP. It's not my thing and in most games I avoid it. I've actually enjoyed CC, mainly because it's so easy to get into, matches are quick, even someone with little experience can land kills and the rewards are good.

I actually don't see that as a good thing. If the PvP veterans hate it and the players like me are having a week or two of fun, then they've ripped something away from the enthusiasts to give it to people who will have only fun with it for a little bit, get bored and do something else. I definitely don't see myself playing CC long term. It's just a small distraction.

I really wish they'd stop doing that. They've been doing it to quite a lot of content and it seems PvP was next on their list. The game has become more about populating all content by trying to make it for people who hate that content, rather than designing each individual piece of content for the people who love it and letting people invest into their favorite areas.

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Originally Posted by Coffex

Are you actually having fun in pvp? If so please explain why you are enjoying it. If you are not enjoying it, please explain why.

Seems the general consensus I am hearing is that the pvp is worse than before. More cheating, more win trading, and all around just poor ranking system. People are playing hundreds of matches with w/l of 50/50 and stuck in bronze rank.

I would like to hear what people enjoy about it. We have heard plenty of people complain about the things listed above, but what do you actually enjoy? They are making balance changes so its hard to say its balanced. They have openly admitted to rampant cheating so its hard to say its competitive.

I want to enjoy pvp in this game. Explain to me how you are having fun, perhaps we can all try to do what you are doing and you can help others enjoy this system.

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No, I am not enjoying it. Crystalline Conflict is basically a MOBA. I despise MOBAs! They are the complete opposite of fun. Not to mention every thing I need hangs on wins and I can't count on them which only fuels the stress.

Yeah there's a lot I like about it relative to Shadowlands PvP; while I never got a chance to do the feast, I feel like some of the class changes and especially limit breaks for *most* classes make some classes feel pretty unique. I don't really like the changes from Bard for example, but I really enjoy how Ninja plays out especially with decision making via Three Mudra.

On the note of feast, I wish ranked was perhaps premade, and casual was solo (and/or partial/full composition maybe idk), as others stated, it might suck if there's a really bad comp as well as allowing people to have more free comms as the current ones feel really lacking (i.e. careful nin/drg/... are about to LB, don't stack/be above 50% hp/etc).

It also feels super rewarding to know what other classes are doing and how to circumvent that, I sorta wish Recuperate cost more mana though.

Sorta wish there was a mode with fewer people in a more feast-like vibe though.

Also I think snapshotting/server ticks are a huge issue imo

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

Considering they allowed WHM to straight up have a bug that turned them into the most obnoxiously hard to kill job in a match for 2 weeks without even disabling it if the bug was hard to fix through hotfixes, this of course being during the time where everyone was hyped and playing it all the time which only served to add to the overall frustration with the gamemode, yes, I do think that qualifies as them taking their sweet time.

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Cure 2 bug wasn't game breaking, nor was it widely known, reported, and replicated in week 1. Seemed like a pretty quick fix to me, but that's obviously subjective.
We may very well find that SE won't give the new PvP mode the support it needs, but when the new mode's been out 3 weeks and it got a balance/bug fix patch in week 2,
I don't think there's a strong case to be made that they're already showing signs of it.

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

Also, while I do believe there's a lot of player issues, I find it hard to believe that cheating and wintrading impact the vast majority of the player base, as opposed to their terrible balance(even after the "balance" patch that didn't really fix any core issues in job design) or RNG based matchmaking that makes ranking up more about getting lucky enough to get more meta jobs on your team than any actual skill, especially since there isn't much of a learning curve to begin with.

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I wasn't even talking about cheating and win trading. The biggest issue with CC is that players are incredibly bad at it.
I win the majority of my games and I'm within spitting distance of top 100 on my DC, and still, almost every match is a cat-herding slog.
I would rather lose more matches if the trade off was that the matches were of higher quality.

Very few matches are decided by comp. In almost all cases, matches are decided by the ability of the players.
The state of job balance is wildly overblown. There are only a handful of jobs that really can't dramatically influence a match on their own,
and are stuck relying on RNG to give them comps and players that will support their choice.
The problem is that most players are so bad it doesn't matter what job they're playing.

I enjoy it for the most part, but I always seem to get stunned IMMEDIATELY whenever I press the LB on Samurai. Turns out that there's an add-on floating around to automatically CC people who use limit breaks to interrupt it. Kinda lame, if you ask me, and it makes me not want to play competitive.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's interesting, I normally hate PvP. It's not my thing and in most games I avoid it. I've actually enjoyed CC, mainly because it's so easy to get into, matches are quick, even someone with little experience can land kills and the rewards are good.

I actually don't see that as a good thing. If the PvP veterans hate it and the players like me are having a week or two of fun, then they've ripped something away from the enthusiasts to give it to people who will have only fun with it for a little bit, get bored and do something else. I definitely don't see myself playing CC long term. It's just a small distraction.

I really wish they'd stop doing that. They've been doing it to quite a lot of content and it seems PvP was next on their list. The game has become more about populating all content by trying to make it for people who hate that content, rather than designing each individual piece of content for the people who love it and letting people invest into their favorite areas.

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Correct, the amount of sweat and muscle cramps to learn the best combo and be one of the world best monks has been stripped away from me and my pvp enthusiasm. So much that us pvp'ing legends are unsubscribing our accounts until it becomes good again

I did my first, and probably last, pvp match I've ever done in this game.

Now, before I go on I've played a lot of MMO's and never liked pvp in any of them. It's not my thing, some are tolerable and some I'd honestly rather jump off a cliff.

FF14 is the later. It's confusing and annoying and the ability system is absolute garbage. I'd rather have my own abilities that I'm already used on my job. Not a brand new set of things I've never seen before mechanics that are foreign to me completely. Dancer is what I've been playing mostly in PvE but in PvP it's some bizarre bastardized job that doesn't even remotely resemble what I'm used to. Where TF did all my abilities go that makes me actually a dancer and why do I have a 1 button spam now?!

Honestly I don't know and can't tell you if anyone was cheating. I didn't stay alive long enough to do anything. It felt like total garbage and it sucks massive. I do not even remotely understand where anyone can find any of this nonsense to be entertaining in the slightest.

In the beginning yes. Now? Absolutely not. The matchmaking is dog shit.

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Originally Posted by MrMordio

I enjoy it for the most part, but I always seem to get stunned IMMEDIATELY whenever I press the LB on Samurai. Turns out that there's an add-on floating around to automatically CC people who use limit breaks to interrupt it. Kinda lame, if you ask me, and it makes me not want to play competitive.

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In frontlines it's pretty openly used.

It's also funny to watch when ppl that have me in target for awhile immediately change/lose it the moment I press "Chiten". Like a switch. First I thought, ok they pay attention. Then I tested it with that a player being like 40-50y away. Well you can guess it...

Casual was fine. Did I have a blast? Was I obsessed and couldn't stop playing? No, it wasn't that fun, but it was a nice lil' quick distraction to play when you want to play something but don't have a lot of time.

The second I started playing ranked all the fun was vacuumed and sucked out of the mode. The competitive aspect and Rank climbing with the numerous problems the game has (the overabundance of cc without any diminishing returns, the downright broken LBs (looking at you WHM), the scuffed randomized matchmaking, the frustrating map design of certain maps (Volcanic Heart is literally just toxic for casters), the limited communication AND the inability to play with friends, to name a few) it just makes the entire mode way too frustrating to bother with.

Being hardstuck on Gold (or any Tier for that matter) because of a constant seesaw of 1 win, 1 loss, 1 win, 1 loss, 2 wins, 3 losses, 1 win, 1 loss over and over and over is not fun whatsoever and has pretty much completely drained all my energy and desire to keep trying. No play you do can change the game around (save for two classes that have the ability to do that), you can't individually win a game and half the time your teammates are orangutans jumping around and forgetting that it's an objective-based mode. It has gotten tiring, boring, frustrating and just downright not fun anymore.