Community Feedback for improvement of all existing PvP in 6.1

I wanted to provide some feedback suggestions for improving crowd control in PvP. Could you consider increasing the duration of CC effects slightly, while at the same time adding an effect of diminishing return? Something like increasing a stun's duration from 2 seconds to 3 seconds, but if another stun is applied to the target again within the next 15 seconds, then the duration of that second stun should be halved, rounded down to the nearest whole second. The 3rd stun within the next 15 seconds should then fail. After 15 seconds have passed without the target taking any stuns, the next stun should apply it's full duration and the cycle repeats.

So for example; The NIN forked and fleeting raijutsu stuns could be increased from 2 seconds to 3 seconds in duration, and when comboed together, the second stun will only last for 1 second. If my party member attempts to stun the same target in succession for a 3rd time within that 15 second window, the target should be immune.

In summary, the total duration of stuns (in the example of NIN) would remain the same, but also now require the players to put some thought behind using their abilities and coordinate with the team by using the quick chat features for the best result. Currently, all players can spam their stun or crowd control ability on cooldown without any thought, strategy or teamwork and achieve great results with very little effort. This undermines the essence of skill based PvP as the ranked mode of Crystal Conflict hopes to achieve.

Frontline: Needs less people, team objectives instead of a gaggle of free-for-all-like combat for objectives.
Crystaline Conflict: Needs a premade team que, a typical party makeup of healer, tank, and dps, ranking prizes that are actually worth the effort, a way to communicate with other players in more detail thatn quick chat (because 97% of my teams dont seem to know what you are trying to coordinate with the "mark" action) and an actual tutorial that tells all there is to this pvp mode

Could there be some additions of clearly defining visual characteristics between enemy and friendly Bahamut/Phoenix summons in Frontlines and in Crystalline Conflict?

Crystalline Conflict: It's incredibly dishearting to be penalized for playing a team game with team members you don't choose. Also, team matching should really be fairer (ex. similar number of healers or tanks between groups or at least similar rankings between teams)

Nerf or get rid of Elixir. Double everyone's HP. Half everyone's MP (IE, half the usage of Recuperate). Or something similar.

I'm all for faster-paced PVP. But health bars constantly fluctuating up and down and up and down and up again is a bit too much. Chaining CC is FINE. I also don't think that there is anything fundamentally wrong with un-Purifiable CC such as Polymorph (aside from the fact that it's given to the abomination of job design known as WHM, but that's neither here nor there). The issue is that with so low health bars a properly layered CC chain + focus fire will leave even a tank either A) dead with no counterplay / reactionary options or B) scrambling for Recuperate spam with a sliver of life left, which isn't terribly interesting gameplay.

That is why I think HP should be increased across the board. CC chains shouldn't feel great to be on the receiving end of. They should CHUNK you. But they should not leave you with 0 options besides quick death or slightly delayed death.

But just a straight buff to HP wouldn't be great because it would slow the game too much and would require adjustments to death timers as well. That is why I propose the MP and Elixir nerfs as a counterbalance (higher HP pool = more valuable Elixir).

Cc: Faster respawn, pre-made queue for Ranked, solo queue for casual, fix Guard and Purify, sort out the cheaters, fix the matchmaking. Nerf samurai and ninja LBs, remove walk casting for ranged jobs. Buff the non-meta jobs. Remove Polymorph cancelling LBs considering the inhuman reaction speed most of the time. Slight reduction in amount that can be healed. Those would be my picks.

Frontline: take into account job reworks for CC impact on frontline. It wasnt customary to see entire alliances of summoners pre-6.1. You can't design all jobs for 5v5 and then not expect the 24v24v24 mode to be unaffected.

Also, sorry but on mobile so cant edit. Cc needs standard comps as well. 1 tank 1 healer 3 dps per match.

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Originally Posted by Tsugikai

Frontline: Needs less people, team objectives instead of a gaggle of free-for-all-like combat for objectives.
Crystaline Conflict: Needs a premade team que, a typical party makeup of healer, tank, and dps, ranking prizes that are actually worth the effort, a way to communicate with other players in more detail thatn quick chat (because 97% of my teams dont seem to know what you are trying to coordinate with the "mark" action) and an actual tutorial that tells all there is to this pvp mode

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Frontlines does not need less people, and it already has team objectives, players just don't care/don't know.

I have been enjoying some of the newer PVP but feel there are some balancing issues and also the chat is a bit annoying when somebody just keeps spamming "Good match" or when someone is obviously just throwing a match...

Would be nice if I could have told my party I had a issue with my PS5 controller and I was stuck not being able to do anything and I could not let them know >.< so apologies lol

Also when you die a faster return would be better.

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Originally Posted by Luluna

I have been enjoying some of the newer PVP but feel their are some balancing issues and also the chat is a bit annoying when somebody just keeps spamming "Good match" or when someone is obviously just throwing a match...

Would be nice if I could have told my party I had a issue with my PS5 controller and I was stuck not being able to do anything and I could not let them know >.< so apologies lol

Also when you die a faster return would be better.

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Person dies ONCE
"Good Match"
Proceeds to yeet themself into danger and dies like 8 times when everybody else dies 3 times.
"Good Match"
"Good Match"
"Good Match"
"Good Match"
"Good Match"

Thankfully, you can and should report that.

There should be more options tho.

Like telling people to use LB NOW!
I do sometimes use LB ready to show i'm gonna use AST LB soon but dunno, it's not clear.

Visual clarity is also still one of the most important things.

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Originally Posted by Lucceira

Crystalline Conflict: It's incredibly dishearting to be penalized for playing a team game with team members you don't choose. Also, team matching should really be fairer (ex. similar number of healers or tanks between groups or at least similar rankings between teams)

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You mean like any game that have solo queue? LoL, Dota, etc?

Dont play solo queue if u dont like it, if u only want to play with premade, use custom matchs.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

You mean like any game that have solo queue? LoL, Dota, etc?

Dont play solo queue if u dont like it, if u only want to play with premade, use custom matchs.

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Personally I only play with one other person at a time. Customs is useless to me. I won't be surprised if other people feel the same way.
Premade queueing needs to be a thing. If people are that worried about having to lose badly to a premade just make a separate queue for it. Simple.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

Personally I only play with one other person at a time. Customs is useless to me. I won't be surprised if other people feel the same way.
Premade queueing needs to be a thing. If people are that worried about having to lose badly to a premade just make a separate queue for it. Simple.

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The solution to "wah, getting rolled by a premade!" is and always has been "well, go make your own premade." If they can make a premade, so can you. I'm still annoyed that we can't even queue into the 72 player mode with a full group of 8, much less a full alliance of 24.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

You mean like any game that have solo queue? LoL, Dota, etc?

Dont play solo queue if u dont like it, if u only want to play with premade, use custom matchs.

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Dude I don't know what your problem is but I've noticed this is always your answer to this topic , despite people telling you the issue with custom match

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

I was looking for a thread like this and there wasn't one, so I decided to start one myself. What improvements do you all think SE could make to the current PvP modes to make them more enjoyable for 6.1 and beyond?

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If I had to give Yoshi a breakdown of the pressing balance issues, I would basically copy pasta the OP. After about three weeks of crystal matches, there are a lot of actions that read well the day before 6.1, but in practice are not nearly as balanced as SE imagined they would be.

Aside from resilience being a throwaway, I believe the most pressing issues revolve around the notion of chance/luck. In ranked matches, the entire premise of the whole season is to demonstrate who has the highest level of skill. In any competition, there are certainly instances in which luck will play a small role in the outcome, but in the case of chainsaw and junction chance/luck has entirely too much influence on the outcome of a match. I would say completely remove the additional effect from chainsaw, as is, and replace it with either a potency buff or a debuff.

Between the high risk/low reward of gun breaker limit and the fact that he Junction is so depending on the matchmaking process, it creates very little incentive to roll gnb in ranked.

I would add:

RDM: reduce range on resolution or make it PB aoe so that there’s at least some vulnerability for such a powerful CC. I love RDM, but aoe silence from that far back tilts the scales a little too much

DNC: increase range on combo, Saber Dance and line aoe to 20/25. Even if it requires potency nerf.

RPR: make LB combo cone AoE. Drop the potency if necessary but with resilience being broken, even after LB>death warrant>bind, it’s rare to actually get all 4 stacks off between requisite proximity of 5y, Cc from people outside of hysteria and gap openers enemy might have. Pre 6.1 if this happened, you could at least use the aoe cone.

SCH: increase range on LB fairy to 20y

SAM: reduce LB gauge to 90seconds from 120. I don’t play Samurai often, and people think this limit is a lot stronger than it really is. But at higher tears, where people keep watch on status icons, two minutes is a long time to wait for something that most players can mitigate. or, keep it at two minutes but change the effect to incapacitation. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve used horrid roar on a Sam before they lb, rendering it essentially ineffective.

Keep up the great videos Sin :)

Having the option to quickly report players who are giving up after the first team fight would be nice too. Effing hate these "players" who stand and spawn spamming "nice job" after the first time they die. The whole reporting system is outdated af.

Make SAM's LB hit who is hitting him or make it like a shorter AoE range or something.
Dunno but what I do know is I shouldn't be a BLM 5 miles and suddenly die
because I hit the SAM with my when I was not targeting him. It's bullshit lol.

Pvp works pretty well in crystal eventhough I would like the opposing team to have classes above thier heads instead of names. Frontline takes to long now due to the new balances to classes, this should be fixed. Before, I could find many classes that matched my playstyle of hit and run, now only the Pally remains viable (personally I hate the Pally). All PVP should be accessable in the roulete, I have never been able to play red wings or feast due to limited play times and long queues.

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Originally Posted by Prrringles

Having the option to quickly report players who are giving up after the first team fight would be nice too. Effing hate these "players" who stand and spawn spamming "nice job" after the first time they die. The whole reporting system is outdated af.

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Yeah, but during the couple minutes it takes you to fill out the report form, they've probably already gotten into another game so they won't be in your next one. It works out decently enough.

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

Yeah, but during the couple minutes it takes you to fill out the report form, they've probably already gotten into another game so they won't be in your next one. It works out decently enough.

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I just want an easier way to report people misbehaving in pvp. Just right click their name > report > list of options to pick from (afk, spamming chat, cheating, other, etc). SE could just link a match ID with the report or something to make it easier to read logs/check activity. These people should not be allowed to screw over 4 other people and get away with it.

Be happy that you can at least queue with 4. Imo it should be either all or none. Seems likes another hero that like to steamroll casuals...

I would say some more defensive options for tanks... as a warrior I wish I could mitigate more damage. Sometimes I feel as tho some melee dps jobs are tankier than me.

Maybe change the way shield works. It doesn't feel good to use unless combined with like a healer or something.

I just wish it was a flat 50%damage reduction while allowing me to move and attack freely sometimes...

The purpose of Guard is to soak through predicted burst and CC. It's not mitigation, it's meant to be used like blocking in a fighting game - you hold it to deflect a specific attack or series of attacks and then exit it.

Buff bard.
I'm not saying it need hit hard like Dragoon but Bard lacking in damage badly.

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Originally Posted by SilverSkyway

Buff bard.
I'm not saying it need hit hard like Dragoon but Bard lacking in damage badly.

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Bard gives their team 10% damage up pretty much always and another 10% with LB. These 10% boosts stack with Astrologian and Scholar 10% boosts. BRD is fine, almost overpowered. You'd see it if they bothered to make their useless scoreboard show rDPS instead of aDPS or whatever. Same with Scholar and Astrologian. Their damage numbers would be way higher if you calculated their damage as if it were rDPS.

5% is default plus another 5% with Blast Arrow (which I didn't know also gave damage) but that only last 10s then the 10% with lb that stacks so total 20% if all goes well. Plus increase cast time on self.

But that 10% is pretty useless when most the jobs can kill you in a combo. The BIG problem is Bard powerful shot does nothing upclose (3k) and even at 15y+ it's a tickle (6k). I'll give it that Bard can still move be it slower. Unlike Rdm need stand still. Ver (5k plus 5k on duel. 10k)

Okay. Bard has a silent and a bind. So does Rdm.
Okay Rdm has to pick between the two but that line aoe does 8k. Bards little silent does 2k. Same cd.

Bard's Nocturne (the silent spell) need a buff. Minimal 4k. Biased 8k.
Pitch Perfect Reduces the recast time of empyreal arrow 5s to 10s minimal.
These two would help a lot espally in burst.

10% isn't useless, dude. Like I said, I think people really have trouble grasping how strong giving 5 players 10% more damage is. It's a huge part of why AST and SCH are the dominant healers right now.

6k damage is higher than melee combo *finishers* and they can do it every GCD. Yes, BRD does less damage if you sit on them - that's a balancing factor. Like, I really think you need to play other classes or just play at a higher level with your BRD, because the class is *really* strong right now. I think you'd have a better appreciation for it if you had additional experience to see different angles from.

just making a reply to bring this back to peoples attention