Sincere Recommendation: Accept you will not be able to play, walk away for a while

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

> MFW I have been logging on and playing consistently before and after work and are half way through Endwalker already.

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Oh please if you're not a no lifer then you're either logging in during non-peak hours or waiting 4-6 just everyone else... sad flex buddy.

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Originally Posted by Miles064

They only did this after the issues. The warning I'm talking about would have been before this became a big deal. Telling me the servers are full and that's why I can't play is something I could have figured out myself from not being able to play. What's wrong with asking "ok, how full?" and making my decision based on that afterwards? And yeah other companies have done worse things, that has nothing to do with SE right now. I don't expect them to just spawn servers out of thin air(cause it got nerfed ha) or just fix 2002 right away or anything. Is my request really so out of there?

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In current situation, yes, you are really asking if impossible.
Estimated lost of 21 days for entire playerbase is up to around 12 millions US dollars, on top of all holding sales during Chrimas shopping season; a period where NA has most purchasing power is a huge loss.
Please name me a gaming company willing to take such loss.

Beside, all company's projection was done near Q4 2020 (all company fiscal year start on Oct as Q1) right in middle of chip shortage where the plan for new datacenter.
Out of no where, WoW exodus happened at Jan 2021 and an increase of FF14 popularity in Jun 2021.
How are they going to know?
Right now, you are sitting here point finger only because it is after the fact, it doesn't make you wiser or smarter.
None of us expect population growth this rapidly.
I personally only expecting que to be around 2,000 at worst before expansion.

Not to mention, US government always has a plan for how to deal with pandemic, did that work well with Covid 19?
No one can foreseeing the future and being so prepared

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Originally Posted by XplicitX

Oh please if you're not a no lifer then you're either logging in during non-peak hours or waiting 4-6 just everyone else... sad flex buddy.

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To be fair, queue to Levithan at 7:30 PM EST looking at 6,500 and only able to get in around 10:30 PM.
Played until 1:00 AM I am still able to end up as lvl 89 SAM and Lvl 88 Reaper and progressed 80% of main quest lines.
It is not like you can never play.
Just do your RL chores while waiting for queue, and 200 situation will be improved after next patch, shouldn't be that bad
I do have a work and a life.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

In current situation, yes, you are really asking if impossible.
Estimated lost of 21 days for entire playerbase is up to around 12 millions US dollars, on top of all holding sales during Chrimas shopping season; a period where NA has most purchasing power is a huge loss.
Please name me a gaming company willing to take such loss.

Beside, all company's projection was done near Q4 2020 (all company fiscal year start on Oct as Q1) right in middle of chip shortage where the plan for new datacenter.
Out of no where, WoW exodus happened at Jan 2021 and an increase of FF14 popularity in Jun 2021.
How are they going to know?
Right now, you are sitting here point finger only because it is after the fact, it doesn't make you wiser or smarter.
None of us expect population growth this rapidly.
I personally only expecting que to be around 2,000 at worst before expansion.

Not to mention, US government always has a plan for how to deal with pandemic, did that work well with Covid 19?
No one can foreseeing the future and being so prepared

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I'm asking for an idea of how full the servers are and that is pointing fingers? Are you guys doing this to me on purpose or am I missing something? If the servers are full, I cant play. If I can't play, why would I buy the game? "Hey we don't got the space" would get an "ok i'll try anyway or just wait" from me. Im not blaming them for not having a bunch more servers or blaming them for not being prepped for covid either. If you can't provide the product then ok i guess but im not going to still buy it.

FF was fine before the WoW exodus and got more so afterwards which is a good thing. Kick blizzard in the teeth by making a better product to get them to try harder and I have 2 tab target sub based mmos to play. It isn't my fault they can't handle the surge though. SE is clearly doing something about it at the moment but outside of people leaving or them getting more servers the big issue isnt going to go away. A datacenter sub count would at least let people know before hand what they are getting into is all.

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Originally Posted by Miles064

I'm asking for an idea of how full the servers are and that is pointing fingers? Are you guys doing this to me on purpose or am I missing something? If the servers are full, I cant play. If I can't play, why would I buy the game? "Hey we don't got the space" would get an "ok i'll try anyway or just wait" from me. Im not blaming them for not having a bunch more servers or blaming them for not being prepped for covid either. If you can't provide the product then ok i guess but im not going to still buy it.

FF was fine before the WoW exodus and got more so afterwards which is a good thing. Kick blizzard in the teeth by making a better product to get them to try harder and I have 2 tab target sub based mmos to play. It isn't my fault they can't handle the surge though. SE is clearly doing something about it at the moment but outside of people leaving or them getting more servers the big issue isnt going to go away. A datacenter sub count would at least let people know before hand what they are getting into is all.

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Are you not aware there is something called time zone?
You really thinks if server only has 17,000 spaces and they should only sell 17,000 copies?
Some Asian players do come to play on NA servers and they are no different time zone.
This is not those private sever host by your friend
All MMORPG have been work this way since the beginning, why are you act so surprise right now?

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Originally Posted by XplicitX

Oh please if you're not a no lifer then you're either logging in during non-peak hours or waiting 4-6 just everyone else... sad flex buddy.

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Two Words: Remote Desktop

I just queue an hour or two before I leave work. Oh look, I can play the game.

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Two Words: Remote Desktop

I just queue an hour or two before I leave work. Oh look, I can play the game.

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A lot of people don't have that computer talent or knowledge, just FYI

If you really want to play then change your sleep schedule so you wake up early in the morning. The queue is almost non existent in morning hours. Anytime I wake up around 8 AM CST, the queue is between 20-30 and it takes about a minute to log in. If you wait until noon or later, it'll be 2000+ and it will take hours.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

A lot of people don't have that computer talent or knowledge, just FYI

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It's not difficult at all and there are plenty of tutorials out there for simple setup.

And it's completely free.

If you want to play the game without sitting in a massive queue or illegally bypassing the AFK Timer then this is one of the workarounds i've been using to consistently play and enjoy the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Are you not aware there is something called time zone?
You really thinks if server only has 17,000 spaces and they should only sell 17,000 copies?
Some Asian players do come to play on NA servers and they are no different time zone.
This is not those private sever host by your friend
All MMORPG have been work this way since the beginning, why are you act so surprise right now?

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"If a datacenter holds like 500k people total but has 600k subs active, they could slap a warning that tells you that you will most likely have a queue during primetime hours. If this starts climbing to 700k 800k etc they should 100% just state they dont have the space and let people make the decision from there"

Miss this part? The reason I even put the cap above is because not everyone subbed is going to be playing at once. Figured that was a given but it wouldn't be the first time that has happened to me on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Miles064

"If a datacenter holds like 500k people total but has 600k subs active, they could slap a warning that tells you that you will most likely have a queue during primetime hours. If this starts climbing to 700k 800k etc they should 100% just state they dont have the space and let people make the decision from there"

Miss this part? The reason I even put the cap above is because not everyone subbed is going to be playing at once. Figured that was a given but it wouldn't be the first time that has happened to me on these forums.

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You are very miss-informed and a lot things are from your own imagination.
All I going to say, someone just offer you an alternative to play, google on how to do remote desktop instead of complaining on something already happened and there is no solution in immediate future.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are very miss-informed and a lot things are from your own imagination.
All I going to say, someone just offer you an alternative to play, google on how to do remote desktop instead of complaining on something already happened and there is no solution in immediate future.

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Are you saying SE has no way of seeing or displaying these numbers. The other guy didn't want to answer that either for some reason. I don't mind being wrong it was just an idea I though might ease things up a bit. You and the other guy went right to being condescending with out saying what the issue is though.

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Originally Posted by Miles064

Are you saying SE has no way of seeing or displaying these numbers. The other guy didn't want to answer that either for some reason. I don't mind being wrong it was just an idea I though might ease things up a bit. You and the other guy went right to being condescending with out saying what the issue is though.

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Yes, indeed, they should be able to see how many copies sold or reserved, but answer me this
How are they going to find out the age group, time zone of each copy sold?
How are they going to tell from sale record (right now mostly are done digital) or preorder on what type of customers bought your game?
How are they going to know each individual's login time?
Especially we are talking about fresh subscription?
If you can do that yourself, you definitely need to submit a resume to any large company.
The marketing team would love you

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Yes, indeed, they should be able to see how many copies sold or reserved, but answer me this
How are they going to find out the age group, time zone of each copy sold?
How are they going to tell from sale record (right now mostly are done digital) or preorder on what type of customers bought your game?
How are they going to know each individual's login time?
Especially we are talking about fresh subscription?
If you can do that yourself, you definitely need to submit a resume to any large company.
The marketing team would love you

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Why would they need to do any of that if it was ment to be a rough guess in the first place? All they need is current sub counts and copies sold to just warn people they might run into issues. 500k cap 600k subs means yeah the high pop server might have queues but you should be fine based on players not all playing at once. 500k cap and 800k subs? Ok just a heads up queues are 100% going to be happening and depending on you server it might be pretty long. 500k cap and 1mil subs? You will have a queue and the servers may have some issues. You were warned.

They could even use this to say "hey things seemed to have dropped off in this datacenter" if people want to make alts/transfer over or come back after waiting a bit as well.

Edit: They don't even need to say the sub number though it would be nice. Would be nice if every mmo did something like this at least.

They gave us 3 weeks of free sub, that's more than you'd get from any other company.
While it doesn't solve the problem, it does show goodwill, and they did at least two detailed explanation posts on the Lodestone to lay out why exactly these problems exist and how they plan to fix them.

Seriously, at this point, threads like this remind me of an angry toddler throwing themselves to the ground kicking and screaming. Maybe cut it out already?

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Now account for how many people will come back for the new expansion?

Now account for free trial accounts?

Now account for absolutely unknowable hardware availability?

Now account for profits and investors? (I know the internet loves to demonize that part, but it is part of running a successful business, Squenix isn't a charitable organization.

Right now the queues are an inconvenience, yes, but not the end of the world.

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I will move the queues to an inconvenience when the 2002 bug is fixed and the getting dumped out of game bugs are as well. I am willing to wait in long lines patiently. Assuming the lines are not going to arbitrarily reshuffle (2002).

In reaction to everything I either have not been playing or doing what I did this morning and log in at weird o'clock in the morning and get what I wanted done before most folks are up for the day.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

To be fair, queue to Levithan at 7:30 PM EST looking at 6,500 and only able to get in around 10:30 PM.
Played until 1:00 AM I am still able to end up as lvl 89 SAM and Lvl 88 Reaper and progressed 80% of main quest lines.
It is not like you can never play.
Just do your RL chores while waiting for queue, and 200 situation will be improved after next patch, shouldn't be that bad
I do have a work and a life.

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The point is MOST people can't stay up till 1 am so your schedule allows you to actually play which was this part of my comment "or waiting 4-6 just (like) everyone else... sad flex buddy." I love it when you people compare how you have different circumstances with time & basically say just rearrange your life so you can stay up as late as me.

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Two Words: Remote Desktop

I just queue an hour or two before I leave work. Oh look, I can play the game.

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Never had any luck with the phone-based versions of remote access & please keep in mind the majority of people don't have a computer they can access at work nor do they keep one up their hole.

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Originally Posted by HestiaOmori

from what i heard, the usual circumvention like talking to npc, busy, hud, and crafting no longer work. havent tried running into wall yet

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Running into a wall does not work either. People are still using third party tools to prevent auto log out now though. It's disgusting.

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Originally Posted by XplicitX

The point is MOST people can't stay up till 1 am so your schedule allows you to actually play which was this part of my comment "or waiting 4-6 just (like) everyone else... sad flex buddy." I love it when you people compare how you have different circumstances with time & basically say just rearrange your life so you can stay up as late as me.

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I guess you have priorities that mean you can't play the game right now.

That's what happens in life. Sometimes you don't get everything you want.

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Originally Posted by Hakoshae

Okay, who then will reimburse me these missed days/weeks/months?

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SE has. We received 21 days of compensation for lost time. Seeing as Early Access started 17 days ago, I'd say we've been adequately compensated up to now. In effect, none of us have had to pay for any portion of EW to-date, even if that compensation will come in the next billing cycle. They've shown a willingness to pro-actively give game time so I wouldn't be surprised if we get more in the future.

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Originally Posted by Jess2157

That was very well said.

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If you're paying for cable internet, you are contributing to the very same idea. Hence, why they usually advertise that your speeds may drop during "peak" times.

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Originally Posted by Hite

Huge fan of the game, was able to get in every early in the AM but logged out cause I had to work, seriously annoyed :mad: Consider the boundary conditions of the login problem:

1. More product has been sold than can be delivered.
2. Infrastructure improvements to help deliver the oversold product is not possible due to supply chain issues.
3. Competition to log in will only increase immediately after early access.
4. To avoid queues, players will not log out. Auto logout is easily bypassed by staying in dialogue with an NPC, auto running into a wall (not tested), macro keys, etc.

The situation will not improve anytime soon. By no means am I supporting that this is an acceptable or excusable situation. I am making an appeal to fellow fans who are getting frustrated by waiting and waiting to get in. Don't do it, your time is too valuable.

Selling a product and then effectively saying, "by the way there will be issues with providing what we sold you but hey we warned you" is a morally bankrupt way to conduct business. Clearly, commercial interests and bottom line sales were prioritized. Apologies are a cheap way to make money, they don't cost anything.

If you are frustrated, walk away, there is no solution. Don't waste your valuable free time and energy friends. Come back and enjoy the game another day ... week?

(Oh shoot I'm queue number 690?! LOL!!!)

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Sounds like an entitled player WoW player issue... just deal with it like the rest of us do...

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

They gave us 3 weeks of free sub, that's more than you'd get from any other company.
While it doesn't solve the problem, it does show goodwill, and they did at least two detailed explanation posts on the Lodestone to lay out why exactly these problems exist and how they plan to fix them.

Seriously, at this point, threads like this remind me of an angry toddler throwing themselves to the ground kicking and screaming. Maybe cut it out already?

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Yeah seems to be the entitled gamer sickness has hit them because they cannot get on the servers when they want and everyone has to wait so they can get on and do what they want to do.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

But I have no issues logging on and playing on my server.

Only takes me a couple minutes to get in.

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Stop trolling. Everyone here knows that you log in at 6am and stay online till bed time.

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Originally Posted by XplicitX

The point is MOST people can't stay up till 1 am so your schedule allows you to actually play which was this part of my comment "or waiting 4-6 just (like) everyone else... sad flex buddy." I love it when you people compare how you have different circumstances with time & basically say just rearrange your life so you can stay up as late as me.

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The fact of the matter is there are only 2 options:

1. Go out of your way to login outside of prime hours. Sometimes, this is not viable for an individual person.
2. Unsub and walk away from the game for 2 or 3 months and come back when congestion has decreased.

Playing during prime hours without having to deal with a long wait is not an option, no matter how much everyone wishes it was.

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Originally Posted by Hite

Selling a product and then effectively saying, "by the way there will be issues with providing what we sold you but hey we warned you" is a morally bankrupt way to conduct business. Clearly, commercial interests and bottom line sales were prioritized. Apologies are a cheap way to make money, they don't cost anything.

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MY only gripe with this is how Japanese culture works, apologies mean a lot to them and shows they do genuinely understand the issues. Also Given the situation, it would have been worse to keep the game in Limbo and not release it until they had the servers. As we all know, theres no guarantee we'll even get more servers, or enough servers to sustain this large an amount of players. But I do get the point you;re making. THis is ultimately a damned if they do and damned if they don't situation. Theres no winning either way.

But this is also just me going off what has been shown and said to us on multiple occasions regarding the issue.

A lot of XIV players like to think XIV is the only MMO to ever have MMO problems. It's p cringe tbh xD

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

Sounds like an entitled player WoW player issue... just deal with it like the rest of us do...

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? Wow players have dealt with long ques, buggy game and disconnects many many times. It more sounds like a life long FF14 player that hasn't had to deal with this before

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Originally Posted by Miles064

Why would they need to do any of that if it was ment to be a rough guess in the first place? All they need is current sub counts and copies sold to just warn people they might run into issues. 500k cap 600k subs means yeah the high pop server might have queues but you should be fine based on players not all playing at once. 500k cap and 800k subs? Ok just a heads up queues are 100% going to be happening and depending on you server it might be pretty long. 500k cap and 1mil subs? You will have a queue and the servers may have some issues. You were warned.

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If you don't understand about time zone and how MMORPG server is functioning, you don't understand at all.
Your just trapped yourself in a loop of a high school level business concept instead of how business operates in real world

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Originally Posted by XplicitX

The point is MOST people can't stay up till 1 am so your schedule allows you to actually play which was this part of my comment "or waiting 4-6 just (like) everyone else... sad flex buddy." I love it when you people compare how you have different circumstances with time & basically say just rearrange your life so you can stay up as late as me.

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What are you going to do?
Do you think this is only happening to US?
Chinese version login queue was much worst than this.
I believed queue is up to 10,000 and it roughly took them 10 hours to be log in.

No one saw this coming.
That is all I can say

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

If you don't understand about time zone and how MMORPG server is functioning, you don't understand at all.
Your just trapped yourself in a loop of a high school level business concept instead of how business operates in real world

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More petty insults huh? Must be a FF forums classic. But sure my idea was bad so i'll drop it.

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Originally Posted by Miles064

More petty insults huh? Must be a FF forums classic. But sure my idea was bad so i'll drop it.

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How is this an insult?
I am simply saying our ideas do not seem to cross each other and server shortage thing is not just US/EN?

I really don't mind the queue at times, what I hate is being in game and DISCONNTED back to the lobby, wait for my character to be logged out and BOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!! Back in a queue of 3,000+.

You know being in queue once is ok, but to be booted and have to go back to the end of the line is a deal breaker. This always happens with a new patch or xpac... .ALWAYS. So tired of this crap!