The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

Let him give it a go. If it clicks with him, nice. If it's not for him, he can always go back to WoW from the sound of it.

Don't see why you care, or why anyone cares. Let him play the game and see how he does with it

I don't pay attention to the guy really, but what I half think is that he will get mad that the game doesn't let him start killing stuff within 5 seconds after creating his character so he quits on the spot.

More seriously, I don't expect him to stay for very long. Not saying I don't like the idea of him playing, but his playstyle just doesn't fit with this game based on my understanding of it.

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Originally Posted by Arbales

I cant wait too see soo called "Friendly FF14 community" lose their minds when someone says bad thing about their game.

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You mean like Scottzone?

gcbtw really showing their true colors in this thread lmao. And y’all wonder why the Scottzone incident happened in the first place.

I'm a new player and for all the praises I've heard about this game's community, I am quite appalled at the toxicity and hipocrisy displayed in this thread. Hoping this doesn't illustrate the community.

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Originally Posted by Vulze

I'm a new player and for all the praises I've heard about this game's community, I am quite appalled at the toxicity and hipocrisy displayed in this thread. Hoping this doesn't illustrate the community.

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just talked about that to another player. i said its kinda embarassing to have the official forum in this state.... its just a pot of shit nowadays. even though its a part of the official representation of the game to the outside.
his answer: 'forums are dying nowadays anyway'
yeah they are... doesnt mean its good for the game to have it in this state.


there are problems in the ff14 community, there are black sheeps, but overall its a friendly community INGAME, dont worry. and tbh twitch would probably be a better place to ask for advice than this forum xD

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Originally Posted by Vulze

I'm a new player and for all the praises I've heard about this game's community, I am quite appalled at the toxicity and hipocrisy displayed in this thread. Hoping this doesn't illustrate the community.

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Thankfully it doesn't. Very, very little of what you see on the forum goes on in the game. Be it on NA or EU datacenters.. despite what some of the forum regulars like to portray. I've played on both NA and EU datacenters and my general experience for the past year has been of a genuinely positive and friendly community 98% of the time. Only times I've seen snippiness is when things go horribly wrong in content people believe should never go wrong nowadays, like Crystal Tower.

I used to watch his WoW clips back when I played it. Funny guy. His reaction to the trailer and male viera was hilarious so I look forward to more of his unfiltered first impressions.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

Thankfully it doesn't. Very, very little of what you see on the forum goes on in the game. Be it on NA or EU datacenters.. despite what some of the forum regulars like to portray. I've played on both NA and EU datacenters and my general experience for the past year has been of a genuinely positive and friendly community 98% of the time. Only times I've seen snippiness is when things go horribly wrong in content people believe should never go wrong nowadays, like Crystal Tower.

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I agree with this completely. What is on the forums is not represented in the game itself at all really. There is so much garbage on these forums but if you look for it in the game, its pretty darn hard to actually find.

Expect many many many complaints until he hits HW, if he even makes it that far...

Idk, i’ve seen a lot of toxicity in game as well. This games community isn’t the little safe haven people seem to portray it as. There’s just as much toxicity in it as anywhere else from my experience.

Time for predictions and bets?

There's a fair chance he'll be skipping cutscenes.
He'll probably complain half the time about how "weeb" the game is and his chat will follow/encourage him into this path.

If he doesn't skip anything before HW or straight up quit, that would surprise me.
But we can all guess that it has a really high chance it's going to be the meme about putting a stick in his bike front wheel then complaining.

I definitely hope WoW will go back into its golden age and that he'll be happy with it aswell as many of my WoW friends, but XIV isn't his game.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

Get ready for an influx of toxicity - homophobia, transphobia, ableism, sexism...

This is the worst day of my life.

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Imagine this being the worst day of your life....privileged much?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Idk, i’ve seen a lot of toxicity in game as well. This games community isn’t the little safe haven people seem to portray it as. There’s just as much toxicity in it as anywhere else from my experience.

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Very true. It’s just casual toxicity and report spam at its best and doxxing and gate keeping at its worst.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

just talked about that to another player. i said its kinda embarassing to have the official forum in this state.... its just a pot of shit nowadays. even though its a part of the official representation of the game to the outside.
his answer: 'forums are dying nowadays anyway'
yeah they are... doesnt mean its good for the game to have it in this state.


there are problems in the ff14 community, there are black sheeps, but overall its a friendly community INGAME, dont worry. and tbh twitch would probably be a better place to ask for advice than this forum xD

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Friendly in some people’s eyes cuz there’s zero talking done in game lol

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Idk, i’ve seen a lot of toxicity in game as well. This games community isn’t the little safe haven people seem to portray it as. There’s just as much toxicity in it as anywhere else from my experience.

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Well, you know what they say.. if you encounter assholes all day..

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

Well, you know what they say.. if you encounter assholes all day..

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Yeah, I don't have this problem. Wonder if it's because I don't act like a jerk in game...It sure is a real mystery. :p

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I don't have this problem. Wonder if it's because I don't act like a jerk in game...It sure is a real mystery. :p

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Yep, for the record I want to state that I'm not directly trying to insinuate that KizuyaKatogami is an asshole.. I don't know them, so yeah. But I have seen especially from the most vocal parts on this forum that more often than not.. the people who experience constant negativity either on the forum or in the game.. are more often than not themselves part of the reason why.

wont make it to HW thats for sure , quit at 30-35

So, are we going to start a pool? I have some faith, I think he's going to get to around 40, but he's going to be distracted by yellow quests and wonder why every dungeon he does syncs him.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

But I have seen especially from the most vocal parts on this forum that more often than not.. the people who experience constant negativity either on the forum or in the game.. are more often than not themselves part of the reason why.

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This is the impression I am under most of the time as well. Jerks are out there, and sure I've run into a few. But it is always solely by chance.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I don't have this problem. Wonder if it's because I don't act like a jerk in game...It sure is a real mystery. :p

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I mean you can insinuate. I rarely ever talk in game but still get the toxic kind of people. Just yesterday i ran into a tank who got pissy because the monk accidentally pulled the boss so she refused to tank the entire fight and just rp walked around.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I mean you can insinuate. I rarely ever talk in game but still get the toxic kind of people. Just yesterday i ran into a tank who got pissy because the monk accidentally pulled the boss so she refused to tank the entire fight and just rp walked around.

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I'm not sure what they're on about, either. You can see plenty of unseemly behavior just by branching out of your FC. I've been in plenty of FCs that had some really nasty individuals in it. Not to mention PF groups. I have experienced worse, to the point a dead bird was mailed to my house, but FFXIV's community can be just as bitey as any other.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I'm not sure what they're on about, either. You can see plenty of unseemly behavior just by branching out of your FC. I've been in plenty of FCs that had some really nasty individuals in it. Not to mention PF groups. I have experienced worse, to the point a dead bird was mailed to my house, but FFXIV's community can be just as bitey as any other.

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I just greatly dislike the stance of,”well it doesn’t happen to me so it doesn’t exist, or it’s because you act like a jerk, you’re asking for it.” Like...no. I’ve been through multiple toxic instances in this month alone. It’s why i don’t talk ever in content because 1.i’m afraid i’m going to get banned for saying the wrong thing but 2. a lot of people just seem to have a short fuse and snap at every little thing.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I just greatly dislike the stance of,”well it doesn’t happen to me so it doesn’t exist, or it’s because you act like a jerk, you’re asking for it.” Like...no. I’ve been through multiple toxic instances in this month alone. It’s why i don’t talk ever in content because 1.i’m afraid i’m going to get banned for saying the wrong thing but 2. a lot of people just seem to have a short fuse and snap at every little thing.

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It may exist, but will everyone's experience be dictated by those experiences?

There's a crime in every city, so everyone lock their doors, especially when they're not around, but that doesn't mean everyone has a constant fear of being a victim of a criminal.

If you see someone else being toxic, then report them. You don't fight criminals by merely complaining about them, but not calling the police on them.

And if you're afraid of getting banned, then the problem is more likely you. That's not someone else being toxic. That's you. That said, you're also part of this community as long as you're playing the game. So if you have fear of being banned because of what you may say/do in the game, then it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy to say there is toxicity in the game.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I mean you can insinuate. I rarely ever talk in game but still get the toxic kind of people. Just yesterday i ran into a tank who got pissy because the monk accidentally pulled the boss so she refused to tank the entire fight and just rp walked around.

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It wasn't directed at you specifically. Like Lanadra said, it just seems to be the case more often than not that players having these problems regularly end up being the problem themselves. It's not an attack on your character. I don't know you and your behavior well enough to really know or, frankly, care what you do or don't do.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I just greatly dislike the stance of,”well it doesn’t happen to me so it doesn’t exist, or it’s because you act like a jerk, you’re asking for it.” Like...no. I’ve been through multiple toxic instances in this month alone. It’s why i don’t talk ever in content because 1.i’m afraid i’m going to get banned for saying the wrong thing but 2. a lot of people just seem to have a short fuse and snap at every little thing.

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Then you either have terrible luck or...well...

This community isn't the shining ray of hope and friendliness that some may claim underneath it all, but it's also not anywhere near as bad as others also claim. Overall my experiences through the years have been positive. I'd be willing to bet there's a good reason behind that though.

I still do not understand the admiration for this kind of people. Cannot people think by themselves that need a famous one to dictate their way? Joining won't make any change, as any other content creators hasn't done neither.

Still, he will be welcome. The more players the better.

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Originally Posted by linayar

It may exist, but will everyone's experience be dictated by those experiences?

There's a crime in every city, so everyone lock their doors, especially when they're not around, but that doesn't mean everyone has a constant fear of being a victim of a criminal.

If you see someone else being toxic, then report them. You don't fight criminals by merely complaining about them, but not calling the police on them.

And if you're afraid of getting banned, then the problem is more likely you. That's not someone else being toxic. That's you. That said, you're also part of this community as long as you're playing the game. So if you have fear of being banned because of what you may say/do in the game, then it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy to say there is toxicity in the game.

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I do report them, so let’s not assume i don’t okay? Don’t really see how the problem is me if i’m afraid of being banned with the way the ToS is in this game but nice gaslighting. It’s not a secret it sucks. Yes i talk about it on the forums but it’s not complaining, it’s called bringing awareness. Tired of seeing all these people act like the community is a saint when the toxicity is prevalent in this very thread alone. Don’t see how it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy though lmao. Please elaborate.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

I still do not understand the admiration for this kind of people. Cannot people think by themselves that need a famous one to dictate their way? Joining won't make any change, as any other content creators hasn't done neither.

Still, he will be welcome. The more players the better.

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Clearly no. Reaction channels ascended into popularity because people need their opinions validated, or if they don't have one, they need someone to process and elaborate an opinion for them to nod and assent.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I do report them, so let’s not assume i don’t okay?

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It's not an assumption. It's a general statement. If you report, good. Everyone else should too.

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Don’t really see how the problem is me if i’m afraid of being banned with the way the ToS is in this game but nice gaslighting. It’s not a secret it sucks.

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The people doing the gaslighting are those telling people to be quiet or risk getting banned.

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Yes i talk about it on the forums but it’s not complaining, it’s called bringing awareness. Tired of seeing all these people act like the community is a saint when the toxicity is prevalent in this very thread alone.

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Raising awareness for what reason? If people experience toxicity, they will be aware of it. And if they don't, then it doesn't matter.

And I've never seen anyone acting like the community is a saint. However, it is their experience with the community. And if you're having a different experience with the community, then maybe start to look into why that is the case rather than assuming people are only acting.

And what about this thread? Some people are saying they don't want people who they perceive to be toxic to enter the community. That's not being toxic by itself. That's more fear and suspicion which may be countered by being level-headed and showing how their fear may be unwarranted.

Simply pushing back and calling them toxic doesn't lead to a solution, but just creates more division within the community. And yes, you are part of the community. So if you think some part of the community is not as welcoming as they should be, then simply be the part of the community that is more welcoming. Then try to work out the differences.

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Don’t see how it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy though lmao. Please elaborate.

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It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you're (general you) the one who tend to be toxic and then saying this community has toxicity.

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Originally Posted by linayar

It's not an assumption. It's a general statement. If you report, good. Everyone else should too.

The people doing the gaslighting are those telling people to be quiet or risk getting banned.

Raising awareness for what reason? If people experience toxicity, they will be aware of it. And if they don't, then it doesn't matter.

And I've never seen anyone acting like the community is a saint. However, it is their experience with the community. And if you're having a different experience with the community, then maybe start to look into why that is the case rather than assuming people are only acting.

And what about this thread? Some people are saying they don't want people who they perceive to be toxic to enter the community. That's not being toxic by itself. That's more fear and suspicion which may be countered by being level-headed and showing how their fear may be unwarranted.

Simply pushing back and calling them toxic doesn't lead to a solution, but just creates more division within the community. And yes, you are part of the community. So if you think some part of the community is not as welcoming as they should be, then simply be the part of the community that is more welcoming. Then try to work out the differences.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you're (general you) the one who tend to be toxic and then saying this community has toxicity.

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I’m raising awareness so people know what they’re getting into.There’s a reason “gcbtw” is a literal meme. It’s because people claim this is a great community when it’s still just as toxic as the others. I’m not saying other people are lying when they say they don’t experience it. My only gripe is with people saying “oh you must be the problem if you experience it so much.Or you’re lying about it.” Like, no. Just because you don’t experience it as much doesn’t mean someone who does is the problem. That’s gaslighting. Also yes, some of the comments in this thread are toxic. What you described is what we call gatekeeping. That’s not a good thing. It’s especially ironic when the people that are trying to gatekeep from the “toxic” people are the ones being inherently toxic. People love to bash on WoW in this game, yet when WoW people critique 14, they get all defensive and call WoW players so toxic and horrible. Hypocrisy at its finest.

14 tends to attract a certain personality. A personality that is usual kept in check by getting dunked on by other people. However, in 14 the ToS protects this type of person. This fosters growth of said personality until it becomes a toxic mass. The toxic mass is afraid on getting dunked on, and so reee in response. This thread is evidence.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I’m raising awareness so people know what they’re getting into.There’s a reason “gcbtw” is a literal meme. It’s because people claim this is a great community when it’s still just as toxic as the others. I’m not saying other people are lying when they say they don’t experience it. My only gripe is with people saying “oh you must be the problem if you experience it so much.Or you’re lying about it.” Like, no. Just because you don’t experience it as much doesn’t mean someone who does is the problem. That’s gaslighting. Also yes, some of the comments in this thread are toxic. What you described is what we call gatekeeping. That’s not a good thing. It’s especially ironic when the people that are trying to gatekeep from the “toxic” people are the ones being inherently toxic. People love to bash on WoW in this game, yet when WoW people critique 14, they get all defensive and call WoW players so toxic and horrible. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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Sorry, "gatekeeping" as you call it is irrelevant unless you actually do something. You can't stop people from playing the game. It's one thing to express your dislike of someone coming into the community because of fear what toxicity that someone may bring to the community. It's another thing to actually do something to harass that person in game so that person will quit the game (or harass that person in social media so they won't start). Only the latter is actually being toxic.

GCBTW is a meme for a stupid reason because of people who have to make everyone aware that somehow a great community doesn't mean it's perfect. Well, duh. People act like they're surprised when there are people in the community that are not as good as the community image and then try to point that out to the entire community.

I don't know who this Asmongold is but his glamour end-game better be up to snuff. >:v

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Originally Posted by linayar

GCBTW is a meme for a stupid reason because of people who have to make everyone aware that somehow a great community doesn't mean it's perfect. Well, duh. People act like they're surprised when there are people in the community that are not as good as the community image and then try to point that out to the entire community.

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I think the funny part of GCBTW comes from that people who actively broadcast how good FF14 always point how the community isnt toxic and is much better than WoW -- even though a majority of the community over laps and has some similar toxic aspects to it.

Its a meme because people overpromote something.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I don't know who this Asmongold is but his glamour end-game better be up to snuff. >:v

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He only likes big musclebound he-man dudes with huge swords. His own words, paraphrased.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

So a heavy-endgame focused streamer that has already said he doesnt like FF14 previously and isnt big on story-telling....is giving FF14 a try?

If he makes it to Heavensward, its a miracle.

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So much this. I do believe he would enjoy the raids a lot, but to get there in the first place? Big oof.

this is what will happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGB_FWbInO4&t=23s

he should be allowed to enjoy the game on his own time if he wants