Rokien's new thread on Hamlet Defense

I'm a little baffled about instanced hamlet defense and the 8 man pt's as I was thinking this would be something in the openworld you would go do when you didn't feel like building a party. However server limitations probably won't allow it to go smoothly and if pick up groups form at the hamlet easily I am all for it. Now we just need a little dot by our name visually showing that we are seeking ^^

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Originally Posted by Krausus

most definitely something players assumed, I mean it doesn't sound anything like instanced content. If its available for multiple groups per instance then ill be pretty happy, its gonna be fun either way but I think it would be better if more then one group could get in.

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They really didn't say how many can go in per instance, so this is a wait and see thing.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

SE said it.

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link or GTFO =P

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Originally Posted by Krausus

link or GTFO =P

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I thought I remember it too.

They said that they needed to change the claiming mechanics for content like Hamlet Defense where multiple parties would be on the field at once.

I suppose I could have imagined it, but during the P.L. debacle, I thought they justified it by saying: "Hamlet Defense"

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

I thought I remember it too.

They said that they needed to change the claiming mechanics for content like Hamlet Defense where multiple parties would be on the field at once.

I suppose I could have imagined it, but during the P.L. debacle, I thought they justified it by saying: "Hamlet Defense"

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If that said to be true the we could be seeing Multiple Parties going into aa Hamlet Defense instance.. but I still don't remember this being said though.

I cannot find the link either, but I could of sworn... I know I was certainly under the impression that it fell under openworld content.

And I try to be so careful separating in my head what was said by SE vs "the community". Honestly we "the community" get carried away theorizing sometimes and it gets referred to as fact.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

I was unaware that 159 qualified as "several hundred."

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There are more posts than my first one, good sir.

The 159, are just from that first post :)

Yeah it's disappointing. I was really hoping for something like Campaign from XI, where players come and go as they please.

But then I thought about how the actual areas are designed, with only one entrance and no real strategic areas to divert mobs to, and I realized that that wouldn't have really worked either, everyone would just bock the main entrance and that'd be that.

So I guess this way they're doing it is probably the best they could do considering level design and server issues (which I guarantee are the main root of the problem). Come 2.0 I hope to see more open world invasions like Besieged or Campaign (the Garlean invasions are a good step in that direction, it's just the rewards kinda blow).

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I'm a little baffled about instanced hamlet defense and the 8 man pt's as I was thinking this would be something in the openworld you would go do when you didn't feel like building a party.

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You shouldn't be baffled. The current system is horrible for open-world stuff. Do you want something like Besieged in FFXI, where you can only see a couple of things in your immediate surroundings due to the limits on displayed objects?

I'm not really sure why people want that sort of thing so badly even if the limitations werent there.

How about we like, actually try this thing before we blindly write it off?

I'd like to see people sign up for hamlet defence and then form a party. Just as behest works. Hope that with v2.0 we get more open worldliness. :) Oh, and content finder that works. :D

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

Gifthorse, please come back. Bring Belgianrofl and Killtia Filmore or whatever she was called.

Please.

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You forgot Peregrine, she'd be all like, Nerf War, Nerf this, nerf that etc.

lol this thread is like a mouse jumping into a snake pit

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i'll just quote myself

So, no.

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Some people are just plain *##*#**. Can't you see how uldah loads people?! Te engine won't allow that many enemies and people. Get over it and stop creating stupid threads!

At least belgianrofl was funny... sometimes.

Actually, I don't often agree with Rokien, but I was really really disappointed at this too=_='

Honestly, people should take the Garlean Invasions into consideration. 25+ people go to the event, you can only see 15- more NPCs. This limits the content by FAR. Not only that, we are having NPCS help us in this. However now it's 8 players max. There is also the fact that some are DoH and DoL so the amount of things you can see at the battle field will increase even more. Open world events that are 24 hours long, especially after the patch... I'd expect over 50 players at hamlet defense at one time. If this were open world it would probably leave a horrible impression right after patch with the fact that people would only be able to see 1 or 2 monsters at one time.

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Did you ever play FFXI? Do you remember the beseiged events. SE can't do open raids. The lag is KILLER. I want to be able to see the mob attacking me

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thats ffxi it was an instanced it just didnt lock you out but it locked you in uless you telepoted out, but this stuff is being made for 2.0 with a better engine were just getting a taste right now and theres other games that did mass scale stuff and it was success.

So what was wrong with Rokiens old thread on hamlet defense?
Hamlet defense sounds boring, there I said it.

How bout you wait to see how it is actually implemented, play it, and then whine about it.

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Originally Posted by Janine_Bennett

How bout you wait to see how it is actually implemented, play it, and then whine about it.

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You seem to have forgotten who started the thread. This is the guy that makes polls to remove features that haven't even been implemented yet.

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Originally Posted by Colino

You seem to have forgotten who started the thread. This is the guy that makes polls to remove features that haven't even been implemented yet.

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I try not to visit the forums unless I'm looking for something in particular, so I wasn't aware lol. Probably should have been on notice though with the OP's necessity to place his name in the title.

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Originally Posted by indira

thats ffxi it was an instanced it just didnt lock you out but it locked you in uless you telepoted out, but this stuff is being made for 2.0 with a better engine were just getting a taste right now and theres other games that did mass scale stuff and it was success.

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I mean, it was instanced in same regard as each zone being an instance in itself.

Thanks Rokien, you actually hit it right smack on the nail for this one.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

we would probably be stuck with a bunch of crappy roaming NM's I doubt the primal battles could be the way they are in an open area since they require a small area to be effective, just think if everyone was able to out run hellfire, momento, etc.

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You've never heard of zone-wide attacks or King Vinegarroon, have you?

What the fuck..... I actually agree with this guy. Must.. be.. the.. end... of the world

Yeah this is lame...when I read that I was disappointed :( I hope its not some cave instance thing again ugggh
I thought the mobs would invade those little towns....but I guess not :/...

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Thanks Rokien, you actually hit it right smack on the nail for this one.



You've never heard of zone-wide attacks or King Vinegarroon, have you?

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King Vinegaroon? Are you citing absurd spawn conditions?

Certainly the party wih claim being teleported to the mob isn't an example of a zone-wide attack? Because I recall it being a feature of convenience.

"Everyone zone in and we'll claim" boom, instant travel thanks to an NM.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

King Vinegaroon? Are you citing absurd spawn conditions?

Certainly the party wih claim being teleported to the mob isn't an example of a zone-wide attack? Because I recall it being a feature of convenience.

"Everyone zone in and we'll claim" boom, instant travel thanks to an NM.

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Not only do you intentionally miss the point thinking I'm talking about absurd spawn conditions but you're stupid enough to believe that KV's attack was out of convenience... /headblown

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Not only do you intentionally miss the point thinking I'm talking about absurd spawn conditions but you're stupid enough to believe that KV's attack was out of convenience... /headblown

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I almost forgot who king vinegrron was lol

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Thanks Rokien, you actually hit it right smack on the nail for this one.



You've never heard of zone-wide attacks or King Vinegarroon, have you?

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I didn't play much of FFXI but I hear the fights where not near as involved with battle mechanics as the primals, the primals require you to not be able to go far during the fight, the limited space is part of the fight, open world would not allow this.

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Originally Posted by Firon

I almost forgot who king vinegrron was lol

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Lol, I had to actually go to FFXIclopedia and look up the name of the NM I was thinking of, yet somehow I remember his initials. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I didn't play much of FFXI but I hear the fights where not near as involved with battle mechanics as the primals, the primals require you to not be able to go far during the fight, the limited space is part of the fight, open world would not allow this.

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That's where you're wrong on two accounts, one of which is as I pointed out - zone-wide attacks, such as those that KV used to pull an entire alliance in. Another is the levequest system currently implemented, in which you cannot travel too far out of the way or else you abandon the levequest.

They could easily put the Primals in the open-world.

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Originally Posted by Lyndis

I think I'm giving up. Instances are boring. I'll stick around till 2.0 to see if this changes. There's no reason to play an instanced final fantasy MMO. Hamlet defense was the one thing I was excited for until now.

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Soo agree, I wanted something like Campaign in FF11, I can't believe this is instance and Max 8 ><

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Originally Posted by eagleone

Soo agree, I wanted something like Campaign in FF11, I can't believe this is instance and Max 8 ><

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Unfortunately it's due to engine limitations.

I would've preferred something more "massive" as well, but I'll take what we can get until 2.0 comes out.

You guys actually wanted this to be like campaign which nobody used except for some bad exp when they couldn't get a party?

If it was so easy like campaign was in FFXI that it didn't take any coordination or anything SE wouldn't give any worthwhile rewards out of it and people wouldn't do it unless they needed exp and couldn't get a party and were out of leves.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Not only do you intentionally miss the point thinking I'm talking about absurd spawn conditions but you're stupid enough to believe that KV's attack was out of convenience... /headblown

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The spawn condition thing was just a joke.

I'm not saying the Draw-In was designed to be a convenience, but that's how players used it.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You guys actually wanted this to be like campaign which nobody used except for some bad exp when they couldn't get a party?

If it was so easy like campaign was in FFXI that it didn't take any coordination or anything SE wouldn't give any worthwhile rewards out of it and people wouldn't do it unless they needed exp and couldn't get a party and were out of leves.

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Not true

When it first came out people used it to obtain gear and personally I liked to do this solo, but fight alongside people at the same time. This is why I was hoping it would be like Campaign. I hoped for some currencey that was specific to Hamlet defence and also I wanted some content to do for which I could play solo or in a party.

I get the limitations of the crappy system they're using but seriously.. the Gobbue mount was a better idea than this GLORIFIED LEVEQUEST called Hamlet Crapfense.

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Originally Posted by eagleone

Not true

When it first came out people used it to obtain gear and personally I liked to do this solo, but fight alongside people at the same time. This is why I was hoping it would be like Campaign. I hoped for some currencey that was specific to Hamlet defence and also I wanted some content to do for which I could play solo or in a party.

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I remember the gear you could buy with the allied notes was pretty bad, and below salvage / sky / king / nyzul / gear when it came out most people at 75 didn't bother with it unless they were trying for some crappy exp or rank up for wotg missions then never touched it. Also most of the items had a condition only does X in campaign. They didn't add random chests to it for junk logs, 1 or 2 dynamis currency until a couple patchs later.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I remember the gear you could buy with the allied notes was pretty bad, and below salvage / sky / king / nyzul / gear when it came out most people at 75 didn't bother with it unless they were trying for some crappy exp or rank up for wotg missions then never touched it. Also most of the items had a condition only does X in campaign. They didn't add random chests to it for junk logs, 1 or 2 dynamis currency until a couple patchs later.

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No some parts was good esp the pld stuff for that magic def tanking set up, and some of the mage parts was good also..

While I agree with you, what a terrible title