Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

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Originally Posted by wereotter

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Two things.

First, your estimate still presupposes the addition of at least two more jobs -- if not more dependent on whether they "count" Limited jobs, as jobs that are tuned separately from the remainder as outliers in the overall balance of the game. I know that doesn't defeat your point (you even said as much), but that does mean it won't prevent new jobs after all, which makes the entire argument pointless to the thread topic.

Second, that also means the removal of dozens of gearsets. Assets made by paid artists and modelers, gear that is equipped/glamoured/saved to characters with the affected jobs, stats tuned for specific jobs, drops from loot tables, and so on, all affected. Kind of a big undertaking!

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Second, that also means the removal of dozens of gearsets. Assets made by paid artists and modelers, gear that is equipped/glamoured/saved to characters with the affected jobs, stats tuned for specific jobs, drops from loot tables, and so on, all affected. Kind of a big undertaking!

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They'd probably just do what they've done with old Loot tables in the past when making some sort of change and just do nothing. The old scouting/striking/maiming gear would still exist and the jobs that can currently equip it would continue to be able to do so (and should they add a new job they'd be added on to existing gear as well), but whatever gear they implement going forward as "Slaying" which encompasses Striking/Maiming/Scouting would be the only option. That's what they did with accessories in ARR/HW, all jobs could equip any accessory class, but when they changed it to lock Tanks to Fending accessories and Strength Melee to Slaying accessories they didn't go back and alter that gear, the change was only made for the gear moving forward.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

They'd probably just do what they've done with old Loot tables in the past when making some sort of change and just do nothing. The old scouting/striking/maiming gear would still exist and the jobs that can currently equip it would continue to be able to do so (and should they add a new job they'd be added on to existing gear as well), but whatever gear they implement going forward as "Slaying" which encompasses Striking/Maiming/Scouting would be the only option. That's what they did with accessories in ARR/HW, all jobs could equip any accessory class, but when they changed it to lock Tanks to Fending accessories and Strength Melee to Slaying accessories they didn't go back and alter that gear, the change was only made for the gear moving forward.

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Then doesn't it seem moot to base the assumption of jobs moving forward on the gear sets, if it only affects a handful of sets moving forward anyway?

I mean the way I see it, it seems like the point wereotter is making about armor sets is about designing gear. Now, armor and weapon visual design is different from the balance and design of job mechanics; if the concern about not adding new jobs is about keeping their mechanics from being homogenized and imbalanced, then that doesn't affect armor visual design at all since they're worked on by completely different teams.
Mechanically, even in the example given, the stats themselves dictate whether the jobs actually want to use the shared accessories available to them, and those are generally programmed in based on a static threshold of values for each gear level. The armor itself hardly matters in the question of balance, so long as a job doesn't have a ridiculous attunement to one stat or other, and multiple sets will be available options at higher gear levels anyway.
Visually though, putting a heavy knight-like Dragoon in lighter, mobile Monk/Samurai gear will be jarring, as will putting a stealthy Ninja in flamboyant Bard/Machinist gear with wide-brimmed hats, and vice versa. Considering they elected to give Ninjas, Monks, Bards and Dragoons their own separate armor sets in the first place back in ARR, even when some of them shared primary stats, which do you think impacts their decisions about new armor releases more -- stats or aesthetics?

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Then doesn't it seem moot to base the assumption of jobs moving forward on the gear sets, if it only affects a handful of sets moving forward anyway?

I mean the way I see it, it seems like the point wereotter is making about armor sets is about designing gear. Now, armor and weapon visual design is different from the balance and design of job mechanics; if the concern about not adding new jobs is about keeping their mechanics from being homogenized and imbalanced, then that doesn't affect armor visual design at all since they're worked on by completely different teams.
Mechanically, even in the example given, the stats themselves dictate whether the jobs actually want to use the shared accessories available to them, and those are generally programmed in based on a static threshold of values for each gear level. The armor itself hardly matters in the question of balance, so long as a job doesn't have a ridiculous attunement to one stat or other, and multiple sets will be available options at higher gear levels anyway.
Visually though, putting a heavy knight-like Dragoon in lighter, mobile Monk/Samurai gear will be jarring, as will putting a stealthy Ninja in flamboyant Bard/Machinist gear with wide-brimmed hats, and vice versa. Considering they elected to give Ninjas, Monks, Bards and Dragoons their own separate armor sets in the first place back in ARR, even when some of them shared primary stats, which do you think impacts their decisions about new armor releases more -- stats or aesthetics?

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They may have made the point regarding job balance. But they have also said that weapon designs are becoming an issue.

Though if they want to add more jobs, then eliminating armor sets that only have one job using them is sensible to free up some design space. Maiming and scouting sets only have one job using them. Maiming being separate from striking had a purpose in ARR when dragoon’s had higher physical defense and monks had higher magical. But now dragons keep their higher HP and higher physical defense, for no real reason.

My suggestion takes into account folding dragoon gear into striking gear going forward without deleting and sets currently in existence. And similarly it would fold aiming sets into scouting (because bards and machinists being scouts in a military concept still makes sense while ninja gear being called aiming makes less sense) Also I’ll point out that in ARR when ninja was given separate armor from bard, ninja gear had either higher defense or vitality, I can’t remember exactly which this far out, but they weren’t identical as they are now.

I’ll admit that my concept is a bit dramatic and might not be the ultimate outcome. But if they are only going to add two more and call that final, then this gives the most balance in gear options across all the jobs currently in the game.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

They may have made the point regarding job balance. But they have also said that weapon designs are becoming an issue.

Though if they want to add more jobs, then eliminating armor sets that only have one job using them is sensible to free up some design space. Maiming and scouting sets only have one job using them. Maiming being separate from striking had a purpose in ARR when dragoon’s had higher physical defense and monks had higher magical. But now dragons keep their higher HP and higher physical defense, for no real reason.

My suggestion takes into account folding dragoon gear into striking gear going forward without deleting and sets currently in existence. And similarly it would fold aiming sets into scouting (because bards and machinists being scouts in a military concept still makes sense while ninja gear being called aiming makes less sense) Also I’ll point out that in ARR when ninja was given separate armor from bard, ninja gear had either higher defense or vitality, I can’t remember exactly which this far out, but they weren’t identical as they are now.

I’ll admit that my concept is a bit dramatic and might not be the ultimate outcome. But if they are only going to add two more and call that final, then this gives the most balance in gear options across all the jobs currently in the game.

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I think it is important to point out that for the most part merging sets will not really free up design space or time. Since as far back as 2.X (outside of the Job specific sets) they have been using shortcuts to turn 3/4/5 sets into 7 sets. They do this by creating about 3 to 5 models per slot and then arranging various different combinations of those models in each set's slots.

The problem as they have stated is not on the armor side but on the weapon side. They can't do the same short cuts they do with armor to make weapon models. Each job pretty much requires a unique model (Summoner and Scholar on occasion share models) for each set of gear.

Compressing the Fending/Maiming/Striking/Scouting/Aiming/Casting/Healing sets down to Fending/Striking/Aiming/Casting/healing isn't going to free up the design space and time you think it will as the designers have mostly already done that compression.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I think it is important to point out that for the most part merging sets will not really free up design space or time. Since as far back as 2.X (outside of the Job specific sets) they have been using shortcuts to turn 3/4/5 sets into 7 sets. They do this by creating about 3 to 5 models per slot and then arranging various different combinations of those models in each set's slots.

The problem as they have stated is not on the armor side but on the weapon side. They can't do the same short cuts they do with armor to make weapon models. Each job pretty much requires a unique model (Summoner and Scholar on occasion share models) for each set of gear.

Compressing the Fending/Maiming/Striking/Scouting/Aiming/Casting/Healing sets down to Fending/Striking/Aiming/Casting/healing isn't going to free up the design space and time you think it will as the designers have mostly already done that compression.

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Largely this is true, though there are sets that have more unique models than others. If I'm not mistaken, the Bonewicca set had additional models... but I might be mistaken.

I have no idea if gear design and weapon design are handled by the same teams, but if even one or two sets are eliminated per major patch, that's more work that can be put toward tomestone, raid, and 8-man trial weapons.

Either way, though, it would fully balance out loot options, which was a bit of a touchy point, especially when it comes to the loot in the 24-man raids. Lots of dragoon and ninja gear falling to the floor while you have 3-4 people fighting over that same aiming gear piece.

Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if the next expansion did only 1 job and it be healer. The real question is how many assets are freed when they dont have to work on new jobs for an expansion? From HW to SB it was mostly QoL.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if the next expansion did only 1 job and it be healer. The real question is how many assets are freed when they dont have to work on new jobs for an expansion? From HW to SB it was mostly QoL.

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One artifact armor, one relic weapon line, 6 or so primal weapons, 3 raid weapons, as of now 3 ultimate weapons, potentially 20+ previous primal weapons, 2-3 basic "leveling" weapons, 3 top end crafted weapons, 2-3 dungeon unique weapon models...

1x healer for sure
and maybe 1× dps (that either shares gear with drg or nin??)

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Originally Posted by Derio

Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if the next expansion did only 1 job and it be healer. The real question is how many assets are freed when they dont have to work on new jobs for an expansion? From HW to SB it was mostly QoL.

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The biggest gain is that the battle team doesn't need to develop 1-3 gimmicks for a new job to distinguish it from the existing jobs and 20-30 new actions for a new job that also get added to the pool of things that needed to be balanced which can be reattributed to designing new jobs. Other stuff they wouldn't have to do like weapon design for around 20 levels of weapons (based on GNB/DNC), 10 levels of job quest writing, and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of isn't really time gained so much as additional work they have to do on top of what they have to do for existing jobs.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

One artifact armor, one relic weapon line, 6 or so primal weapons, 3 raid weapons, as of now 3 ultimate weapons, potentially 20+ previous primal weapons, 2-3 basic "leveling" weapons, 3 top end crafted weapons, 2-3 dungeon unique weapon models...

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You can't really guarantee that they'd be even be doing that much moving forward for new jobs either based on what GNB/DNC got this expansion. Gunbreaker and Dancer only got new weapons for the Stormblood leveling dungeons, Alphascape, leveling crafted gear, and for Palace of the dead. They didn't get UCOB or UWU ultimate weapons, weapons for the pre-Shadowbringers Primals, they only got two tiers of Stormblood tomestone weapons, and other than Alphascape none of the previous raid tiers had weapons added.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

The biggest gain is that the battle team doesn't need to develop 1-3 gimmicks for a new job to distinguish it from the existing jobs and 20-30 new actions for a new job that also get added to the pool of things that needed to be balanced which can be reattributed to designing new jobs. Other stuff they wouldn't have to do like weapon design for around 20 levels of weapons (based on GNB/DNC), 10 levels of job quest writing, and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of isn't really time gained so much as additional work they have to do on top of what they have to do for existing jobs.

You can't really guarantee that they'd be even be doing that much moving forward for new jobs either based on what GNB/DNC got this expansion. Gunbreaker and Dancer only got new weapons for the Stormblood leveling dungeons, Alphascape, leveling crafted gear, and for Palace of the dead. They didn't get UCOB or UWU ultimate weapons, weapons for the pre-Shadowbringers Primals, they only got two tiers of Stormblood tomestone weapons, and other than Alphascape none of the previous raid tiers had weapons added.

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Also pvp (stormblood) and shire weapons, and I 'think' blacksmith only lvl 50 weapons? Would have to double check that last one in game.

But yeah I wouldn't expect every gap to be filled in for new jobs, just the critical ones.

I vote for chemist healer and a new caster !

Im personally looking forwards to the possibility of a Melee healer. So ranged healing abilities, but its dps skills are melee attacks, that kinda thing.
I barely even play healer but the idea is interesting enough for me to have a bit of hope they might do something like that.
Otherwise, i'm actually hoping for another tank. I personally see there being 5 tanks, 5 healers, and 5 of each dps type by the end of the last expansion, its clear there is going to be atleast several more expansions if the game keeps going like this, they've already said that 6.0 is in the works.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Im personally looking forwards to the possibility of a Melee healer. So ranged healing abilities, but its dps skills are melee attacks, that kinda thing.

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Not sure if I like or dislike that it'd basically force a 3-Ranged comp in many fights that tend to have mechanics aimed cleanly at 4 ranged (including all other healers) and 4 melee (including tanks) each.

If melee-high were dominant outside of those fights that force 4-4, I'd probably like it for its balancing force. If not, I'd probably consider it an irritant.

Predictions: a WHM/SCH hybrid and a 2nd Maiming or Scouting class which functions like a MNK/DRG hybrid.

Hopes: allowance for actual hybrids down the line, a real DoM Blue Mage and its real DoW Maiming partner in Morpher, and a new healer -- as distinct of one as possible to give some precedent by which to diversify the existing healers.

My picks are; Mystic Knight, Chemist and Geomancer, one of a few different set ups.

So potentially:
Mystic Knight as a melee dps, and Chemist as a healer
Mystic Knight as a melee dps, and Geomancer as a healer
Chemist as a healer, and Geomancer as a caster dps.

Specifically I'm picturing Mystic Knight as a hammer-wielding, maiming gear job, as Hammers have been used as a hybrid physical/magic weapon in the past, we don't ave hammers yet, and then there's Gaia, our new hammer wielding NPC.

I'm hoping for Gunner physical ranged dps, but logic says next dps is caster.

As far as I know, PLD and DRK are the only melee jobs that use MP, right? Are there any other jobs in the FF universe that's melee but uses magic/MP? (I've only ever played XIV, Crisis Core, and Dirge of Cerberus)

EDIT: Although I haven't played RDM, from what I've seen I think it's fair to say that they can't really be considered a melee class. They don't have to worry about sticking to the boss 24/7.

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Originally Posted by 3ureka

As far as I know, PLD and DRK are the only melee jobs that use MP, right? Are there any other jobs in the FF universe that's melee but uses magic/MP? (I've only ever played XIV, Crisis Core, and Dirge of Cerberus)

EDIT: Although I haven't played RDM, from what I've seen I think it's fair to say that they can't really be considered a melee class. They don't have to worry about sticking to the boss 24/7.

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It varies between games. The earlier turn-based entries had limited mechanical differentiation between jobs largely based on equipment and spells they could use. The FF1 Ninja, for instance, could use low-level black magic to shore up their offense and exploit enemy weaknesses, but were predominantly weapon-oriented.

Beyond that, more recent entries have dipped away from clearly defining most characters as one job or other (FF6-10, 13 and 15, for instance), though some use archetypal cues like Summoner or Black Mage. As such their toolkits aren't always defined.

That being said, there are melee archetypes that use magic, such as the Spellblade/Rune Fencer/Mystic Knight/etc. (multiple names for, essentially, the same job), a job that focuses on enchanting their weapons with the spells they learn in order to inflict status ailments or deal elemental damage.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

That being said, there are melee archetypes that use magic, such as the Spellblade/Rune Fencer/Mystic Knight/etc. (multiple names for, essentially, the same job), a job that focuses on enchanting their weapons with the spells they learn in order to inflict status ailments or deal elemental damage.

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Still hoping for a job like this in the 6.0 expac. I had hoped blu would be when we got a "battlemage" archetype but that didn't happen.

And before people say rdm is that, we are talking about a melee job that focuses on buffs for itself or debuffing enemies that also has MP management.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Still hoping for a job like this in the 6.0 expac. I had hoped blu would be when we got a "battlemage" archetype but that didn't happen.

And before people say rdm is that, we are talking about a melee job that focuses on buffs for itself or debuffing enemies that also has MP management.

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Spellblade is just in fact a silly Red Mage, if you want to see it, or not.
Its just the other side of the same medal of being a Battle Mage, the Red Mage iteration so far in FF14 is sadly just only a very boring and simple minded concept from a person responsible for it, which seems to believe that as a Battle Mage with roots to Black and White Magic, that you have still to fight mainly like a typical caster far away from second to third row out of safe distance, just to make basically for short moment ala "hit n run very quick short melle attacks.

To say it differently, Red Mage are in fact already Spellblade or Mystic Knights, if they would be designed ad tanks in heavy armory.

Its all just only a matter of class and especially skill/combat mechanic design.

Personnally I just hope SE will implement with Level 90-100 a final job progression tier and just evolves Red Mages to Spellblades as the master form of a Red Mage, that has finally learned how to correctly use his Magic Powers to become the true battle mage that this job should represent that is not played like 90% Caster and 10% Fencer, but instead gets its gameplay design evolved, so that it feels more like 60% Caster and 40% Fencer by learning Ex- and Aura-Element Spells to enchant their rapiers and armors with elemental effects that make them more effectful and efficient in melee combat, so that for moments where you need to reduce for example your lack of equipment defense, that you then infuse your armor with Exearth, to raise with the power of this earthbased spell your defense, or create with it earth shields that work like barriers protecting your health.

Theres so many ways to make Red Mage by skill design use their full potential as the Spellblades they basically are or could be already, if SE would just get this job's class design right only to nail perfectly with it the sterotype of the Spellblade, even if it has due to silly naming conventions the term Red Mage still after that evolution, which implies caster gameplay, but still, its skill design that matters more, not really how the class is named in the end.

However, its naturally a nice thing when skill design and class name are congruent, cause only then can be a class in a game like FF14 or MMORPG's in general be really trustworthy.
A Battle Mage is for me not trustworthy designed if you play it 90% of the time like a simple steoreotypical caster that is basically useless in melee combat, because of being based on the cheap skill dedsign not in the same league in regard of effectiveness with the other jobs that fight in melee range, like monks, samurai or dragoons, which dish out alot more damage and have more defense all, than the Red Mage, because the job has ne spell infusions ti close the defense gap or buff the melee effectiveness to that of the other jobs, because the jobs melee skills are currently very limited and only when enchanted good enough, plus the enchantments end way too quickly!!

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Originally Posted by Kaiserdrache

Spellblade is just in fact a silly Red Mage, if you want to see it, or not.
Its just the other side of the same medal of being a Battle Mage, the Red Mage iteration so far in FF14 is sadly just only a very boring and simple minded concept from a person responsible for it, which seems to believe that as a Battle Mage with roots to Black and White Magic, that you have still to fight mainly like a typical caster far away from second to third row out of safe distance, just to make basically for short moment ala "hit n run very quick short melle attacks.

To say it differently, Red Mage are in fact already Spellblade or Mystic Knights, if they would be designed ad tanks in heavy armory.

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Yeah... no.

Every game that has a Spellblade archetype in it also has a Red Mage as an entirely separate job, much as several of the games with Scholar treat Red Mage separately.
Amongst the mixed B/W Casters, think of it as sort of a sliding scale of "Armor and Melee Output" vs "Spell power and selection", with Spellblade and Scholar on opposite ends and Red Mage square in the middle. Point being, you can't really argue 14's Red Mage leans more towards one side or the other, particularly since they historically lack notable aspects of either department.
And that's just the surface level stuff. In terms of actual gameplay, historically, Spellblade often has greater magic defense (even siphoning power from incoming spells) and enemy debuffing power, Scholar offers support skills like Scan and even Item Lore (which is why it ended up as a Healer here), and Red Mage has notably used the boon of faster casting speeds to compromise between its many roles.

I personally am happy with having Red Mages be, well, mages, particularly as they fit the niche of Quick Casters versus BLM's Heavy Caster and SMN's DoT/Pet Caster (which also means a gap open for, say, a more focused DoT Caster than SMN, so SMN can lean into its Pet effects) -- and separately, I'm on board with the idea introducing a Spellblade job under the melee DPS tree, perhaps as a Maiming job to share the Dragoon's knight-like aesthetics and defenses.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Yeah... no.

Every game that has a Spellblade archetype in it also has a Red Mage as an entirely separate job, much as several of the games with Scholar treat Red Mage separately.
Amongst the mixed B/W Casters, think of it as sort of a sliding scale of "Armor and Melee Output" vs "Spell power and selection", with Spellblade and Scholar on opposite ends and Red Mage square in the middle. Point being, you can't really argue 14's Red Mage leans more towards one side or the other, particularly since they historically lack notable aspects of either department.
And that's just the surface level stuff. In terms of actual gameplay, historically, Spellblade often has greater magic defense (even siphoning power from incoming spells) and enemy debuffing power, Scholar offers support skills like Scan and even Item Lore (which is why it ended up as a Healer here), and Red Mage has notably used the boon of faster casting speeds to compromise between its many roles.

I personally am happy with having Red Mages be, well, mages, particularly as they fit the niche of Quick Casters versus BLM's Heavy Caster and SMN's DoT/Pet Caster (which also means a gap open for, say, a more focused DoT Caster than SMN, so SMN can lean into its Pet effects) -- and separately, I'm on board with the idea introducing a Spellblade job under the melee DPS tree, perhaps as a Maiming job to share the Dragoon's knight-like aesthetics and defenses.

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This. While I wish that RDM had more melee to it's kit, it will never be 50/50 or more melee heavy like what I'd like to see. So we are instead saying we want an inversion of RDM in that it's mostly melee with some casting. I've seen the idea tossed around of rune/mystic knight having a gameplay loop similar to BRD songs but be fire/thunder/ice. I'd also add in the astral elements or as part of the mechanic of each "stance". So like fire(earth), thunder(wind), and ice(water) and have a debuff that you carry through into each stance but interact with differently. So can apply an ice debuff then melt it with fire to boost damage during thunder stance. That kind of thing.

I'm hopping for a maiming dps maybe something with 2 handed hammer or duel wielding axes

people keep saying they have to put a healer in, i would be surprised if they did. yoshi & co has shown time and again they will completely insulate themselves from any negative backlash with regards to stuff like that and act like they don't know what the community is talking about. My guess would be either a tank/caster dps or a caster dps/ melee dps. i don't think they know enough about what they want healers to do in this game to be able to expand on it any further. i'm pretty sure it's been noted somewhere no one on the job design team even players a healer as a main character. dps is easy to do just give it attack skills of varying damage and throw in some dps cooldowns and your done.

Everyone convinced they place classes in this game based on gear sets (looking at you melee boys) opposed to roles, I’m sorry. SE has the roles split based off the main stat boost they add when joining a party, so they have the roles split as tank, healer, melee, caster and physical ranged.

With this spread we have 4 tanks, 4 melee, 3 caster, 3 physical ranged, and 3 healer. With the release of GNB and DNC this expansion my guess is we will be getting a caster and a healer with 6.0, with the classes being Geomancer caster and chemist healer.

Also with some hints thrown into the relic story about Gabranth I think we’ll be seeing the next limit job as Beastmaster over the next few patches.

Well they better release a new healer in 6.0 or else they risk angering the healer playerbase further, which might end up killing queues due to plenty of them quitting.

I'm hoping they'll release a new healer and a Beastmaster job since Arcanist -> Summoner is becoming more of a big summon type of playstyle after dreamwyrm trance and firebird trance than pet playstyle, but chances are...
They're going to either release a new healer and rework the current 3 healers in next expansion instead because of how big of a mess it is.

If they actually didn't release or fix the healers, you can bet the queue timers are just going to extend infinitely longer with the small amount of healer mains remaining that just decides on giving up healing entirely. It's not about backlash on the dev's part at this point, it's backlash and riot of the playerbase making queueing in duty finder impossible unless you get someone to heal in your party ahead of time. It'll effectively kill the game since majority of the content for new players have them go into duty finder and then queue up and no one likes to sit in a queue over 10 minutes long. Just having the devs respond to healer community will probably assuage a lot of complaints but if they keep up the radio silence, it won't bode well.

Beastmaster seems more likely to me. But I expect a new Healer.

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Originally Posted by Leidolf

Beastmaster seems more likely to me. But I expect a new Healer.

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Yoshi said it sounded like a good limited job at one point and did say there was “ranch style content” coming. Probably very delayed due to covid though.

suddenly BRD becomes like SCH where it becomes a healer and has an option split to Ranger for DPS >_> i can only dream.

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Originally Posted by Tigra

suddenly BRD becomes like SCH where it becomes a healer and has an option split to Ranger for DPS >_> i can only dream.

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They stated that it was a mistake having split SCH and SMN off ACN like that and has caused numerous issues for years, so I doubt we will see that occur. And I severely doubt they would change up one of the most popular jobs in the game and risk angering those who are very happy with the hybrid Bard Archer.

Geomancer
Puppet Master
Beast Master (Limited Job)

I hope/assume we will get a new healer for 6.0, given we haven't gotten one since HW.

In terms of what it is, I hope for a Chemist or something similar, though hope it has a fun gimmick as opposed to just throwing potions (maybe some tech - a launcher that shoots them?)
Otherwise, just any unique kind of healer, even if one used a melee-weapon, like a hammer, or a whip or something, could be interesting (though for mechanic balance would still need to be predominantly ranged).

I'm not so sure about Geomancer, because during the AST storyline, from memory, they performed just like WHM used to, and from what I remember they had said that the Geomancers essentially did a very similar thing to AST, just that they were the eastern version and used the land instead. While I think this is cool, I would rather something more original/interesting. Though still open to it if they make them very different.

Otherwise, presumably a caster or ranged? Though we just got DNC so the latter seems unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Rika007

They stated that it was a mistake having split SCH and SMN off ACN like that and has caused numerous issues for years, so I doubt we will see that occur. And I severely doubt they would change up one of the most popular jobs in the game and risk angering those who are very happy with the hybrid Bard Archer.

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The Bard Archer situation is a sticky one. There are absolutely players who are completely happy with the way the job is, and there's no reason to forcibly deny them that satisfaction, but "Job Fantasy" is actually an important factor that goes into each job when it's being designed and redesigned. Final Fantasy is not a one-off game, but a part of a deeply established series with predetermined jobs--each with their own identity.

While there's nothing wrong with having a unique outsider like 14's Bard, there's something that can be said for the players who want the fantasy of playing a true to its name Final Fantasy Ranger or Final Fantasy Bard, and the problem with the current Bard is that these players are presumably denied this fantasy indefinitely. It's not impossible for a Ranger to get released, or even some kind of "Minstrel" or other musical job, but it does seem unlikely.

Is it fair to say these players aren't allowed to have their Fantasy job in an MMO dedicated to embodying the Final Fantasy series--a Fantasy Job that is otherwise a staple Job in the Traditional Final Fantasy job system?

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

The Bard Archer situation is a sticky one. There are absolutely players who are completely happy with the way the job is, and there's no reason to forcibly deny them that satisfaction, but "Job Fantasy" is actually an important factor that goes into each job when it's being designed and redesigned. Final Fantasy is not a one-off game, but a part of a deeply established series with predetermined jobs--each with their own identity.

While there's nothing wrong with having a unique outsider like 14's Bard, there's something that can be said for the players who want the fantasy of playing a true to its name Final Fantasy Ranger or Final Fantasy Bard, and the problem with the current Bard is that these players are presumably denied this fantasy indefinitely. It's not impossible for a Ranger to get released, or even some kind of "Minstrel" or other musical job, but it does seem unlikely.

Is it fair to say these players aren't allowed to have their Fantasy job in an MMO dedicated to embodying the Final Fantasy series--a Fantasy Job that is otherwise a staple Job in the Traditional Final Fantasy job system?

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The word fantasy used 10 times in 6 sentences. Impressive.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

The word fantasy used 10 times in 6 sentences. Impressive.

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Props for focusing on what's really important.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Geomancer
Puppet Master
Beast Master (Limited Job)

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The Holy Trinity

MNK will get another ability that we're rarely allowed to use.


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I'd like to see a new pet based class. Instead of the Summoner style of one pet. How about a class that summons several expendable ones...like...a Necromancer...please...oh pretty please!