what excuse will they use for there being no female hrothgar in the bozja citadel?

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Originally Posted by Frizze

I still wouldnt get my hopes up. Its much easier to make a handful of one off NPCs then to do all the work to make an extra race playable. The NPC will only ever wear one outfit(so you dont need to model everything in the game), it might not ever move(doesnt need a full set of animations), and it will likely only ever do any emotes in a cutscene. It really just needs an idle pose, and an active one. They could mock up a female hroth as simply as putting a hroth head on a female roe body. Put it in an outfit that obscures that. Then pick a set of animations(say... male hroth for movement, female midlander for arm motions and idle). Boom. Done. Quick and dirty. And not at all playable.

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As I said, they're not actually "new races", are they? I don't expect them anytime soon, but the whole deal about the opposite sex being fewer in number does not equate to them being so abysmally low there's only five of them (at least assuming Hroth and Viera have a big enough population to avoid inbreeding).

Male Viera are already similar male Keepers of the Moon in that they have a smaller population than females and live separately from them. And yet we still have male Keepers as an option and the rare NPC. If the devs ever bother making an NPC, I'm pretty sure it'd be with the intent of fully developing them.

Hence why I say the day we actually see the NPCs is the day they MIGHT become playable, key word being "might". Because the quickest way to get the playerbase aggressively clamoring for the genderlock to be lifted again is to show Male Viera and Female Hroth. And why would SE give themselves that hypothetical headache if they're not going to make it a thing?

Alternately, this becomes FFXIV's equivalent to WoW and playable high elves, LOL.

I will say, going to the Hrothgar homeland does give me hope. They could actually model a female Hrothgar for the story. Sorta like they did with Merlwyb way back in 1.0. It could be like with Frans appearance a preview of what's to come. And if they do make them SE sorta has no choice but to make male Viera. I just hope they are like Miqo'te sized. Seems more appropriate for agile assassins who live in the trees, compared to lithe warrior women.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

There are no females. Hrothgar reproduce entirely asexually by budding.

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Xaela men can do that through brooding.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Xaela men can do that through brooding.

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As a Xaela man myself, I can confirm~

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Xaela men can do that through brooding.

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So does that mean little sun is his own moon?

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Xaela men can do that through brooding.

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Originally Posted by Dakuryon

As a Xaela man myself, I can confirm~

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See, this is why we have a male pregnancy problem. We just get abstinence-only education (i.e. refrain from feeling grumpy) and we all know that never works. Always use protection when you brood, my Dusk Brothers.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Xaela men can do that through brooding.

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Originally Posted by Dakuryon

As a Xaela man myself, I can confirm~

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Originally Posted by kujoestars

See, this is why we have a male pregnancy problem. We just get abstinence-only education (i.e. refrain from feeling grumpy) and we all know that never works. Always use protection when you brood, my Dusk Brothers.

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Originally Posted by kujoestars

See, this is why we have a male pregnancy problem. We just get abstinence-only education (i.e. refrain from feeling grumpy) and we all know that never works. Always use protection when you brood, my Dusk Brothers.

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Aye, 'tis true! Thank you for the much needed reminder, Dusk Brother~

Meanwhile, we Raen need to be a bit more adventurous in our brooding, if our numbers are ever to go back up!

Can I say I love where this thread is going XD

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Meanwhile, we Raen need to be a bit more adventurous in our brooding, if our numbers are ever to go back up!

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Heck why I left now to find a nice brooding buddy

We Auri should all get together to have a brooding party tbh :v

Is it warm in here, or is it just me?

i dont feel safe here

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Originally Posted by Duskane

i dont feel safe here

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Come to the brooding party. We have cookies and free advice on improving your brooding techniques. We also have complimentary safe brooding practices so you can safely plan your pregnancies -w-

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Originally Posted by kujoestars

Come to the brooding party. We have cookies and free advice on improving your brooding techniques. We also have complimentary safe brooding practices so you can safely plan your pregnancies -w-

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Ye!~ I'll bring the cookies and other refreshments ^-^ *귀여운 웃음*

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

as the title suggests i'm wondering since the bozja citadel will be the setting of the next artifact weapon questline. and as they mentioned in the liveletter, the bozja citadel is the homeland of the hrothgar. and as other hrothgar npcs have stated, the females stayed behind (especially the queen) while the males ventured out for whatever reason...so i wonder what kind of excuse they'll come up with to not show any.

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maybe the females have been captured by garleans

Talk about a necro.

Watsonian: Bozja Citadel was destroyed when Midas tested the Lunar Transmitter. Though the Garleans still hold the territory, until we actually see Bozja Citadel itself I'm pretty sure the city was completely destroyed and whatever was rebuilt would use Garlean architecture. The Hrothgar women (Queens) living there were all killed, leading the surviving Hellions to find new queens to serve or otherwise join the ranks of the Lost.

Doylist: The infamous "We only really wanted to do Hrothgar, but this might be the last time we add new races and everyone would throw a hissy fit if they didn't get Viera, so we made a compromise." Making an NPC model or two probably wouldn't be too hard, but Hrothgar models are just heavily altered Roegadyn; I'd be curious to know if they were able to do the same with the females as the males. Either way adding any female Hrothgar will lead to more cries for them to be playable, even though current lore practically prohibits it. Corporate chronically underfunding this game is a known issue as well.

Must've ran out of things to necro in general discussion...

Pretty sure it was said in the gunbreaker storyline that Hrothgar are being sent to concentration camps. Their revolution in the relic quest line needs to succeed to ensure their race continues. My hope is the at somewhere on the Bojzan Front we'll liberate one of these camps and finally see a female Hrothgar model.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

Pretty sure it was said in the gunbreaker storyline that Hrothgar are being sent to concentration camps. Their revolution in the relic quest line needs to succeed to ensure their race continues. My hope is the at somewhere on the Bojzan Front we'll liberate one of these camps and finally see a female Hrothgar model.

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It's rather more complicated than that.

Like a lot of Imperial provinces, Bozja (capital Bozja Citadel) was conquered by the Empire some years ago (earlier than Doma, so roughly 30 years). Radovan, the GNB mentor, served as an Imperial conscript until the Lunar Transmitter incident annihilated Bozja Citadel, whereupon he foreswore Imperial service and was thrown into jail for it. The clan that originated the gunbreaker discipline (to which Radovan belongs) was all but wiped out in the incident, but as far as we know there are still fertile Hrothgar women out in the world and the species isn't in danger of going extinct.

Concentration camp is a bit of an ambiguous term - on paper they're labor camps, but in practice they're more like death camps. Regardless, there's little doubt Hrothgar non-citizens are thrown into such places. Even so, there are extant factions of (presumable) Helions out in the world so I don't believe the situation is quite so dire for them.

(That's not even getting into the worst excesses of Imperial mistreatment toward non-Garleans or Radovan in particular, but happily for him one of his compatriots is revealed to have also survived in the GNB 80 quest, he and said compatriot have the PC and Thancred as respective protégés, and they're trying to preserve the gunbreaker discipline by training more adventurers.)

This time the excuse is something something servants something something primal echo

The exact reasoning is as follows:

• "Queen Gunnhildr" is a title held by all queens of Bozja, passed down from one ruler to the next.
• While most queens were Hrothgar due to them making up the lion's share (pun not intended) of Bozjan citizens, not all of them were.
• The Queen Gunnhildr of legend, who used Save the Queen to spare Bozja from the devastation of the Fourth Umbral Calamity, was one such rare exception and was in fact Roegadyn.

This leaves the rescuable prisoners as the only real opportunity to show female Hrothgar in the line so far, and evidently none were prisoners in Castrum Lacus Litore.

Worth noting that the legend version of the tale says the queen who became a Primal was the same as the Hrothgar queen who held off the Allagans (and the mural we saw reflects this). The truth that she was a new Roegadyn queen installed specifically for that purpose by Gunnhildr's Blades isn't widely known.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

The exact reasoning is as follows:

• "Queen Gunnhildr" is a title held by all queens of Bozja, passed down from one ruler to the next.
• While most queens were Hrothgar due to them making up the lion's share (pun not intended) of Bozjan citizens, not all of them were.
• The Queen Gunnhildr of legend, who used Save the Queen to spare Bozja from the devastation of the Fourth Umbral Calamity, was one such rare exception and was in fact Roegadyn.

This leaves the rescuable prisoners as the only real opportunity to show female Hrothgar in the line so far, and evidently none were prisoners in Castrum Lacus Litore.

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I couldn't resist.

They don't seem to have bothered to address it, but it stands out like a sore thumb in the entire Southern Front that the male characters are nearly all Hrothgar and all the female characters are something else. Comically so, I was honestly laughing when they were introducing the Blades of Gunnhildr because of the absurdity of it.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

They don't seem to have bothered to address it, but it stands out like a sore thumb in the entire Southern Front that the male characters are nearly all Hrothgar and all the female characters are something else. Comically so, I was honestly laughing when they were introducing the Blades of Gunnhildr because of the absurdity of it.

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Its even funnier when you remember that the community pleaded for Viera and SE pivoted to make the player base happy. Hrothgar and this content were planned together and if we didn't get the Viera development pivot we would have had female Hrothgar in the first place.

I'm not trying to apologize for SE here, but there is only so much time, money and developers. Furthermore, they tried to give us the best option for both of them and community has turned on them for it. If they gave use both male and female Viera with no Hrothgar, we wouldn't have the race planned to fit the Bozja lore. If we had both male and female Hrothgar with no Viera, we would have people worried Viera would never make it to the game as SE doesn't want to fund making new races.

Maybe things have changed with the outcry of lack of opposite genders and the finical success of Shadowbringers? We can hope the streamed Fanfest in February reveals something and maybe we'll have a female model in game by the end of Bojza in 5.55. Time will tell.

What was their excuse for not giving Yugiri a face before 3.0?

What was their excuse for there being no Au'ra, Viera or Hrothgar NPC's before those races were made?

I'll be shocked if next expansion doesn't add the other genders after how big a deal it's become among fans.

Hasn't Matsuno said that if male Viera were in the game he knows exactly wht he'd do with them in the stories he writes? But I'm just hearing that second-hand, I'm not sure if he really said that. You can definitely see the limitations that no female Hrothgar put on him in Bozja though.

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

I'll be shocked if next expansion doesn't add the other genders after how big a deal it's become among fans.

Hasn't Matsuno said that if male Viera were in the game he knows exactly wht he'd do with them in the stories he writes? But I'm just hearing that second-hand, I'm not sure if he really said that. You can definitely see the limitations that no female Hrothgar put on him in Bozja though.

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I... actually don't remember him saying that (And I'm a huge Matsuno fan). I DO remember saying he had an idea of how they'd look and commisioned art of it, though. Still, wouldn't be surprised if he had some ideas featuring Hrothgals for Bozja that technical limitations haven't let him do.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

What was their excuse for not giving Yugiri a face before 3.0?

What was their excuse for there being no Au'ra, Viera or Hrothgar NPC's before those races were made?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Yugiri enters the story around the time Heavensward was well into planning, so they purposely hide her face to reveal the new race later.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Yugiri enters the story around the time Heavensward was well into planning, so they purposely hide her face to reveal the new race later.

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Yes, the Au Ra's character models were not ready yet at the time she was brought into the story in 2.2, so they instead used a modified Miq'ote model for her design until her full Au Ra designs were implement around the time of 2.55 where her real model with the correct Animations and appearance were shown for the first time.

The rush to introduce half baked races created problems.
The idea of limited races was a very bad one.
They shouldn't focus on introducing new races but enhancing the current ones with better customization.
Au Ra was handled pretty well but they should've stopped there with adding new races.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

The rush to introduce half baked races created problems.
The idea of limited races was a very bad one.
They shouldn't focus on introducing new races but enhancing the current ones with better customization.
Au Ra was handled pretty well but they should've stopped there with adding new races.

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Honestly, if it was just Hrothgar (male and female) with no Viera, the implementation with the current content would have synergized well. But hey, people wanted their bunny girls.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

Honestly, if it was just Hrothgar (male and female) with no Viera, the implementation with the current content would have synergized well. But hey, people wanted their bunny girls.

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Something to keep in mind is that lore is written to accommodate gameplay. To my knowledge Bozja was not written explicitly with the Hrothgar in mind, they just used it as a way to establish the Hrothgar in the setting despite them having not been around (playable or otherwise) until 5.0.

That said... when you sell your game on fanservice... and shamelessly throw in as many references to Matsuno's works as you possibly can... to the point of bringing the man himself on as a "guest" writer... and Viera are an icon of his work (whether you like them or not)... people are going to expect they be put in-game as a playable race, for good or ill.

All the fanservice does have a cost.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

What was their excuse for not giving Yugiri a face before 3.0?

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Yugiri says in her first appearance that she's keeping her face covered because her appearance might cause problems. Given that it's later established in the 50-60 dark knight and white mage job quests that the first Au Ra to arrive in Ishgard were turned away, then hunted down and butchered, purely based on their appearance, she has a point. It just seems odd to us now because we can start as an Au Ra and nobody bats an eye.

The meta reason, as someone else said above, is that the Au Ra models weren't finished yet, so she has a modified Miqo'te model until she's unmasked in 2.55.