I was a Mentor. Now I am just a Crafting Mentor because I don't have 1500 coms.

Bye.
Mentor system was broken and you know it. The fact that you'd make a rage quit post like a child tells me that you were part of why it was broken. Something needed to be done.

The main gripe I have with this is that commendations are not really a way of gauging whether you are a helpful person at all. I've been leveling a tank recently, and I've received a lot of comms even for times I don't think I deserved them (screwing up due to new tank inexperience), on the other hand, I've gone as healer or DPS and saved parties at pivotal points in a dungeon/raid and received 0 comms. Comms are just so randomly appointed that I don't think they should count for mentor status. Couldn't they introduce some method where it shows how many times you have helped sprouts/returners/other players with content somehow? It just seems like to be a battle mentor now you need to win a popularity contest.

For those who talk about the "shame" of wearing the crown. I've never been ashamed of mine. I see it as a symbol that people can come to me for assistance and I'll do my best to help them out with whatever they need.

I've been a battle mentor since the inception of the program, but I won't be due to the new changes. I just don't get enough time to play these days to rack up enough comms. I'll still keep helping people regardless of the crown or not. It just might make it harder to find people to help once I'm locked out.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

We can obviously think about putting other system in place
Two ideas I remember seeing are these:
1) Have people earn special "mentor commendations", so to speak - something handed out by other players the same way as commendations, but seperate from them. You'd either need to earn a certain amount of them to even become a mentor OR earn a certain amount in a given timeframe to stay a mentor. Players would be asked to give out those commendations to people who they think should be mentors.

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What if there was a tab added to the Party Finder thing where people could advertise for help? People who accepted the tasks would earn a certain number of "Mentor Points" at the end of the task. They could be things like helping with MSQ or even helping with quests. I guess you could just join the party with that person who had flagged something specific, and when that quest was completed you would be awarded the points.

Then you would get points for ACTUALLY helping people - which seems to be the point to being a Mentor in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

They are the best measurement of how " well liked" or "well aspected" - or maybe even to stick with your choice of word: respectable - a person is we have, though. They're not ideal but they're the only thing that reflects at least a little bit what other people thought about you - something that isnt all that unimportant to being a mentor.

Honestly, looking at threads like this I feel this new requirement is working out really well: Everyone who complained in the fashion the OP did so far was probably not all that intrested in being a good mentor to begin with, since thats something you can be without that little crown next to your name. Those who lost their crown, but arent upset about it and just accept it are probably not that invested in proper mentoring aswell.
And those who are working to get it back and are queueing solo instead of with friends to increase their chances are filling up queues.

If you want to keep mentoring, you can do that - you dont need the crown for that.

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Nah, I think that's fair comment. I think it is a difficult one to measure fairly. Hopefully it does have the effect of reducing toxic & crappy mentors but I see toxic & crappy people having more than 1,500 comms because they could genuinely be good at playing their job and following mechanics, they may be capable of pulling off carries that have the party comm them, but have the worst possible attitude when it comes to people learning and being new to content, such as a "gitgud" attitude or having the view that everything is easy and proceed to berate somebody who's finding it difficult, which as all things I'd argue are bad to have in a mentor when the point of a mentor is to aid those who are new to the game, those who are finding things more difficult or need help getting to grips with something.

The change won't affect how I'm helping people and I might be able to make up the difference but just queueing solo more and on a single character, but I was sincere when I meant for me it's not important as I help people because I want to help and not to justify a crown, so I doubt I will.

I just don't think it's a fair requirement or one that helps fulfill its purpose, because I don't think it'll really address the problem (time will tell, of course) and only weed out some of the bad mentors whilst gatekeeping perfectly decent mentors from getting recognition. Naturally, I hope I'm wrong and that crappy mentors are mostly sub 1,500 comms and don't care enough to try and farm the comms they need. I just think the crown is more of an ego thing, which means those who have an ego to satisfy will be the ones to try and get it.

Maybe a solution could be found in the middle: "Commend for Mentor Status", I'm not sure how viable or effective it'd be, but a thought at least. Then have a number of mentor comms needed to acquire the status. [edit] I see from the person who quoted you above, you've already made this suggestion lol. In which case, yeah, fair, I agree.

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Originally Posted by Urdess

Then you would get points for ACTUALLY helping people - which seems to be the point to being a Mentor in the first place.

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Or people would just "ask for help" to grind out the points.

You need a crown next to your name ? are you the king ? It's pointless, I've met scrubs who have performed better than mentors, it has zero bearing on anything.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

You need a crown next to your name ? are you the king ? It's pointless, I've met scrubs who have performed better than mentors, it has zero bearing on anything.

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being a mentor has nothing to do how well you do in combat, it'a about helping people.

Every person in this thread who's being all like "you don't need a crown to help people" is completely missing the point, btw.

Just because you think having mentor status is 100% about Helping People doesn't mean everyone else sees it the same way. Whether you agree with them doing it or not, SE put other incentives into the mentor system, and there are people whose primary interest is getting those incentives. That's just how it is sometimes with obtainable things in video games.

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Originally Posted by Absinth

SE would grandfather in almost anything else but you don't grandfather us mentors. I am going to keep this short. You don't respect how much time and effort I have put into the game so far. You don't respect that I have been a mentor for over 2 years. Then you don't need my $30.00 a month. Maybe you will respect that.

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If you don't have 1500 comms then you haven't put all that much time into playing the battle system. Do more dungeons and be a cool helpful person to get those comms.

Don't care about having the icon, I don't even really care about getting a mount.
The only 'benefit' I get fron the mentor system is access to the novice network

I can help people with general game questions.
Or point them to where they can find the answer.

Last I checked, I had about 1,600 commendations.
I haven't gotten any combat jobs up to 80 yet though.

But I'm satisfied with just trade mentorship.
I can still assist with general knowledge with it.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

being a mentor has nothing to do how well you do in combat, it'a about helping people.

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But the problem is, many mentors believe that it does have something to do with that.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Every person in this thread who's being all like "you don't need a crown to help people" is completely missing the point, btw.

Just because you think having mentor status is 100% about Helping People doesn't mean everyone else sees it the same way. Whether you agree with them doing it or not, SE put other incentives into the mentor system, and there are people whose primary interest is getting those incentives. That's just how it is sometimes with obtainable things in video games.

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You gotta work on your analysis skills man, just by looking at the title of this thread it's evident that OP primarily wanted to be a mentor because they falsely believed it gave them some higher "status" in the game, "now I'm just a crafting mentor". By using just in that way they're trying to say that being a crafting mentor doesn't have much value, it's "lower". And so for that reason, this thread received the appropriate feedback.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

But the problem is, many mentors believe that it does have something to do with that.

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actually it's only the people who are not mentors who want people to clear ultimates to be a mentor.

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Originally Posted by Absinth

SE would grandfather in almost anything else but you don't grandfather us mentors. I am going to keep this short. You don't respect how much time and effort I have put into the game so far. You don't respect that I have been a mentor for over 2 years. Then you don't need my $30.00 a month. Maybe you will respect that.

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That crown is about helping people who may not know as much as you so they can better enjoy the game and feel part of a community. It's voluntary and given a neat little bonus as way of a thank you from the devs. And by your crap attitude it sounds like you never actually cared about helping people. Because you don't NEED that crown to go out of your way to help people. You just want it because you can treat it like a status symbol that not everyone can have.
You seem like the type who would turn away a beggar and tell them to only seek your help at the soup kitchen where other people can see how kind and generous you are. Mentors like you are why so many people groan when they see you show up in their parties.

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Originally Posted by Videra

I have some bad news for you, snowflake. Your mentor status means nothing.

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That's why, I'm not mentor. It's just for the mount but it's too long.
And often mentor have no skill...
It's just newbie's babysitting.

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Originally Posted by Nix

I make plenty of comms as DPS - I once received 7 comms as BRD when running a 24-man because I was helpful and kept my pt laughing. I don't think being a "UwU Kaaawaiii gamer gurl" has anything to do with it.
You're not going to gel with every party, and that's fine - but from experience, just being helpful, light-hearted, and skilled will net you enough comms.

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You sure it was not because the people were all premade?

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Originally Posted by Zazay

You sure it was not because the people were all premade?

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I'm pretty sure - it was a whileback but I think only three of the group knew each other.

Are you seriously unsubbing over a stupid crown...?
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You gotta work on your analysis skills man, just by looking at the title of this thread it's evident that OP primarily wanted to be a mentor because they falsely believed it gave them some higher "status" in the game, "now I'm just a crafting mentor". By using just in that way they're trying to say that being a crafting mentor doesn't have much value, it's "lower". And so for that reason, this thread received the appropriate feedback.

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My post wasn't talking about the OP, it was specifically talking about certain people responding to it. Specifically, every single person that said something along the lines of "you don't need to be a mentor to help people". Every one of these people is missing the point.

I'm not trying to defend the OP at all (I've even already said I don't think he's making a good case for himself), in any sense other than I don't think commendations are a good metric for determining mentorship. I say this as someone that has almost 5k of them, so it's not like I have a personal stake in this race.

I'm not trying for Mentor but I tend to keep track of things and I have had 88 comms for 3 months, maybe longer. I average at least 5 a day from roulette alone but they aren't going to the count in reputation. If this is common, good luck to anyone trying to get that 1500 comms.

I just about meet the new requirements for being a mentor (another week or two, tops), and I hardly play at all. If some people think they deserve to be a mentor but have less of the requirements than I do, that's pretty sad.

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Originally Posted by Absinth

SE would grandfather in almost anything else but you don't grandfather us mentors. I am going to keep this short. You don't respect how much time and effort I have put into the game so far. You don't respect that I have been a mentor for over 2 years. Then you don't need my $30.00 a month. Maybe you will respect that.

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You earned Crafting mentor because you put forth the time and effort into crafting side of the game play. You don't get to be a battle mentor if you haven't done enough content, dungeons, trials, raids, etc to earn the 1500 commendations. Though your attitude shows and personally you don't deserve the crown in general. Though I can see why you haven't earned enough. Maybe a little humility and you'll achieve it someday.

The only thing that bugs me is now I would have to level a healer all the way to 80 to get my "Full" crown back; I was still a little surprised when they gave me the full crown in the first place, since I don't have any healer jobs.

I never even really tried getting coms and am a rather casual player, yet I have 2000+. As a DPS main. So, it is kinda manageable.

1500 comms is quite easy to obtain if you're an active Mentor. And if you want it so bad, do more dungeons to farm commendations.

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Originally Posted by Absinth

SE would grandfather in almost anything else but you don't grandfather us mentors. I am going to keep this short. You don't respect how much time and effort I have put into the game so far. You don't respect that I have been a mentor for over 2 years. Then you don't need my $30.00 a month. Maybe you will respect that.

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ok boomer.

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Originally Posted by Absinth

SE would grandfather in almost anything else but you don't grandfather us mentors. I am going to keep this short. You don't respect how much time and effort I have put into the game so far. You don't respect that I have been a mentor for over 2 years. Then you don't need my $30.00 a month. Maybe you will respect that.

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Considering your post i'm glad they removed it from you to be honest. Totally not the right attitude.

Regarding the actual decision of commendations bar being increased, i think it is absolutely the right move. Just like your gear requirements keep increasing, your retainer requirements for ventures keep increasing, your comm count for mentor status should dynamically increase. I dont play the game as much as i wished, i play other MMOs and RPGs on all other machines (PS4, XboxOne and Switch), i just do my expert roulettes, normal raids and levelling my alts and i largely met the requirements of commendations.
I barely talk other than meet and greet, and if there's a wipe, i ask people if they need a tip. Nothing more. and yet i met the requirement.

I think the system is still generous, i would have set the bar at 2000 personally. So that people who care about the crown have a reason to be even more helpful and collect more comms.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

my name is in the credits

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Hold up, how the hell did you manage that? Squeenix staff?

Been playing for a few months now, like three and a half, heard about the mentor status being a bit of a meme, decided to go for it, due to being a reasonably good tank in my own right, looking up other classes and being genuinely interested in both learning encounters, and offering advice to players that I notice making mistakes during dungeons.

When I saw the change to the mentor system for the recent patch, when I was so close to the precious 300 comms, I spat my dummy out of my pram in a rage. How dare they extend my personal grind for the special crown that makes it so I can help people?

Nah, I'm kidding. Despite my move to another server and fresh character, I'm still going to help people and be the best whatever-class-I'm-leveling-today I can, because it feels good getting comms, because it feels like I've put a smile into someone's run.

Plus there's achievements for comms, too, so that's another grind all on its own, and I'm all about that grind

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Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura

Hold up, how the hell did you manage that? Squeenix staff?

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The Legacy Players from FFXIV 1.0 are in the credits as a thank you for playing and paying the sub for that failed game. Without them the re-release of 2.0 would likely not haven been possible.

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Originally Posted by SieneskaSanura

Hold up, how the hell did you manage that? Squeenix staff?

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1.0 legacy players got their names in the ARR credits for playing 1.0 during a specific time, it's why the ARR credits are so damn long lol
(not that it matters but I also have my name in the credits)

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Originally Posted by Absinth

Then you don't need my $30.00 a month.

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Get yourself a second paper route, buy a pacifier, and put it in your mouth. You'll feel better.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

1.0 legacy players got their names in the ARR credits for playing 1.0 during a specific time, it's why the ARR credits are so damn long lol
(not that it matters but I also have my name in the credits)

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Oh, crap. I remember the person who got me to buy the game mentioning that after I finished 2.0 MSQ for the first time. Neat.

In the past two years since SB came out, I was able to:

Earn the fancy robe
Earn the fancy fat chocobo

which implies more than 1500 commendations in two years.

During that time I have done a moderate number of dungeons, no more than I care to do, not even keeping up daily requirements. Minimal grinding of DF content (outside swallow's compass, that caster glam), spending time doing content where commendations are not an option. On top of this, taking long breaks, one being over half a year.

And also, maining DPS to do most of the above.

Commendations are not that hard to get fam, if you do your job well. ANY job.

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I feel like the only way one would be struggling to meet the comm requirement would be by not actually playing the game enough.

Over 2 years of playing, I've somehow ended up with (as of this moment) 1824 comms on my first character and 919 on the second one I made just before the 2018 Moonfire so slightly over a year ago. And the vast majority of my playhours are probably concentrated within the first year when I was still discovering the game and obsessively sampling all available content. Since then, my DF routine has consisted predominantly of doing 2-3 Alliance Roulettes and 3-4 Expert Roulettes a week to cap off tomestones and, if applicable, the occasional weekly clears of relevant Normal/Alliance raids for whatever tokens are available at the time.
Everything else I do is crafting/gathering, RP, hunt-trains, farming EXes in PF and raiding with friends, none of which are sources of commendation income.

Why is it then, that even though I've split playtime between 2 characters and deliberately reduced the amount of Duty Finder content I do to the absolute weekly minimum, I have accumulated 2743 comms, 1243 more than necessary, in slightly over 2 years, but allegedly some players who have been playing for twice+ as long and presumably with only one character aren't anywhere close?

Maybe I was born with it? Or maybe it's... my cute glams? That's probably it to be honest. I don't do much else to stand out, unless we're counting saying "hi!" when I enter duties and then playing to the best of my ability on whatever job I am (which for any job that isn't my main 3 means absolute garbage... then again, I suppose somehow tripping over the BLM rotation is impressive in its own right so perhaps that has earned me a few pity-likes?)

If someone is struggling to get commends as a DPS i welcome you to the PVP.

If you play well and communicate you will get a commend each game.

A good way to get commendations is to Fantasia into Lalafell. Everyone loves Lalafells because they are so smol and cute. Getting 1500 commendations is not hard to do at all. Just be good at your job and be a positive member in your community.

Alternatively, they could try levelling a healer to... is 10 when Guildleves unlock? Either 10 or 15. Even though a healer within the Guildleve level range can probably be played to its full potential by a lab rat trained to repeatedly press a button, I remember always coming out with some comms. I assume that most players running that content are new to the game and don't understand what is happening around them so they default to comming a healer with the assumption that if the party has survived, surely the healer must be responsible for it. Or something.

So... I guess if someone wants to farm comms, that would probably be the fastest and least effort-intensive way? On the other hand, does someone cynical enough to farm 1500 internet points that way deserve to be a mentor? Does... anyone deserve to be a mentor? What are mentors for, again? What's anything for? What is the meaning of anything we do? Is anything even real? What is reality? What is perception? What is existence? And why?

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Originally Posted by Absinth

SE would grandfather in almost anything else but you don't grandfather us mentors. I am going to keep this short. You don't respect how much time and effort I have put into the game so far. You don't respect that I have been a mentor for over 2 years. Then you don't need my $30.00 a month. Maybe you will respect that.

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You've been playing for two years and you don't have 1500 comms? mmmmmmmmm I don't think we're hearing the truth here.

I don't have that much comms because I mostly run content with friends. I don't think comms makes a good mentor requirement since you could be playing a lot of contents with a group of people you know or like most people play DPS which do not often receive comms as healers and tank do.

That said I don't know if that big of a deal to be a mentor. I was a mentor for a while but I could easily help people as a normal player.