Ongoing harassment in PvP FL

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

Are we even playing the same game?

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there's literally a fate that has you escort a prostitute to her client lol

Btw somone bail Crit out. Heard his cat is sueing him. If crit goes to jail, the plebs wont get what they deserve next season. Fund him out please.

It could go either way, since there's players who really do think along those lines. Ultimately it doesn't really matter if the OP truly believes what they're posting - the unfortunate reality is that the development team have consistently made knee-jerk reactions in relation to PvP and have been pretty tight lipped in regards to communicating with the PvP crowd in regards to those changes. A key example being the decision to remove the ability for players to type in Feast to efficiently relay tactics and the like.

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

It's PvP. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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This is a very frequent line flamers use. "The heat" should be the competitive environment itself and the pressure that entails competing against each other. "The heat" should be never (under no circumstance) putting up with someone spitting on your face or insulting you because they've lost. You've established completely unacceptable and toxic behavior as something normal to have on the internet these days, and the only place this situation leads is into a community where decent people will keep gradually leaving until you are left with nothing but people with bad manners and unacceptable behavior killing each other over lost matches. Have fun on the process.

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

there's literally a fate that has you escort a prostitute to her client lol

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What?!
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Originally Posted by Gallus

Have fun on the process.

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Oh I will.

I shamefully would /laugh after killing others. I was unaware my actions could cripple people enough to fall out of their chair to the floor. Reading some of these comments made me realize I was blind to how I was wantonly causing so much pain and hurt feelings. Henceforth I will only /pray over dead bodies multiple times as a sign of respect on the battlefield.

I'm more confused why OP is on Balmung. I also believe there's a line where a game can be over policed. I mean whats next X character hugged/kissed me without my permission are we going to have FFXIV version of #metoo?

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I'm more confused why OP is on Balmung. I also believe there's a line where a game can be over policed. I mean whats next X character hugged/kissed me without my permission are we going to have FFXIV version of #metoo?

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The pot to the kettle see.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I'm more confused why OP is on Balmung. I also believe there's a line where a game can be over policed. I mean whats next X character hugged/kissed me without my permission are we going to have FFXIV version of #metoo?

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Is this just bait for the ffxivforums.txt twitter account?

On a more important subject, scientists taught rats how to drive and it actually relaxes them.

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Originally Posted by Chiami

The fact that some people here normalize such behavior is both disgusting and terrifying.

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Hey, thank you for bringing light to this. I have some mental health problems too and I understand. Harassment is normalised like you said. It's generally accepted now that this is the way the internet works and if you have a problem with people being disrespectful to you then it is you who is wrong and you need to toughen up or leave the internet/gaming. It's a shame because online activities can be really helpful to people who are suffering trauma as an escape for whatever is going on in our RL. In a better world the people who display unnecessary disrespectful and hostile behavior should be the ones the community rallies against, and be kinder to people like you who needs support. Imo it's the community that needs to "grow up", not you. I'm late seeing this thread and I think you stopped reading already but hey I'm just glad there's still some people out there who expect a higher moral standard.

People like you take the fun out of gaming with your ultra sensitive nature and perception. If your personal experiences "trigger" past events then don't play it. That's like trying to recover from alcoholism by going to a bar every night. PvP promotes aggressive tendencies thru player vs player competition. Victory can and should be allowed to be expressed emotionally thru emotes hence why they were created. If it's not for you then don't play it. Go to the gold saucer for non competitive content and rewards. Every aspect of this game is not for everyone. You don't have the right to remove the variety and fun to express joy, excitement, and accomplishment with your reports and claims.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

I'm just glad there's still some people out there who expect a higher moral standard.

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There's no 'higher moral standard' to be found in treating an emote in an online game with the same severity as physical harassment in the real world.

So I have heard that people have been harassing OP because she shared her experience with PVP and how it made her feel with a serious issue. Apparently people were writing in her FC book asking her "what emote should they do next", and I am disgusted. Doing that to a sexual assault victim is completely unacceptable and I just want to say that it would be so much better if we thought about others, and how they felt instead of antagonizing them. :(

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

So I have heard that people have been harassing OP because she shared her experience with PVP and how it made her feel with a serious issue. Apparently people were writing in her FC book asking her "what emote should they do next", and I am disgusted. Doing that to a sexual assault victim is completely unacceptable and I just want to say that it would be so much better if we thought about others, and how they felt instead of antagonizing them. :(

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It hasnt just been facebook. Ive seen people making in front of this topic and the op on discord as well. (popular ffxiv groups)

Disagreeing is ok, but seeing stuff like this happen.. we deserved it when we lost feast chat.

Well that escalated quickly. Yikes.

Talk about blown out of proportion, take an L and git gud if you don't want to be emoted over. This isn't behavior being normalized, this IS the norm and has been since people been winning and losing.

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Originally Posted by SonjaRampage

Talk about blown out of proportion, take an L and git gud if you don't want to be emoted over. This isn't behavior being normalized, this IS the norm and has been since people been winning and losing.

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If you lose you deserve to be insulted and shamed. Is that what I just read?

Let me clear this out, behaving like wild animals was never the norm in competition, people took the infamous internet + impunity mix and turned harassment into the norm, but insulting and shaming your opponent after beating them was never the norm in competition. I competed a lot in my childhood throughout many years in various sports, and never, ever did I come across anything remotely similar to the rain of insults and death threats I've been spotting in every PVP online platform.

The reason why a lot of people insult isn't because it's normal or acceptable but because they can get away with it.

Adding my 2 dents here.

After 7000+ FL matches in 4 datacenters, I can't say I see a trend to "normalize" harassment. That's a rather extreme view. There is toxicity for sure, but it's usually rather tame. Everyone and their dog have been "victims" of emotes. In RL professionally competitions people may not behave like this normally, but amongst friends, and over the internet, it's always been like this. More or less.
I Have shuffleboard matches with my friends often, and we taunt each other like crazy.

I can't know for sure ofc, but I highly suspect that for some, the heat of competition is too much. The word harassment gets thrown around A LOT these days.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

If you lose you deserve to be insulted and shamed. Is that what I just read?

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Sure, that's the correct way of interpreting that line... -____-

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

Adding my 2 dents here.

After 7000+ FL matches in 4 datacenters, I can't say I see a trend to "normalize" harassment. That's a rather extreme view. There is toxicity for sure, but it's usually rather tame. Everyone and their dog have been "victims" of emotes. In RL professionally competitions people may not behave like this normally, but amongst friends, and over the internet, it's always been like this. More or less.
I Have shuffleboard matches with my friends often, and we taunt each other like crazy.

I can't know for sure ofc, but I highly suspect that for some, the heat of competition is too much. The word harassment gets thrown around A LOT these days.



Sure, that's the correct way of interpreting that line... -____-

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While TC's case happened in FL, I agree FL is more or less "harassment free" given its casual and lighthearted nature. However, things start getting nasty real quick the same moment you step onto the feast and start climbing. There is no "tame" toxicity, there's a horde of rabbit dogs with their binded ignore markers ready to spam them on top of your character if for whatever reason they happen to think you've been the reason for their last loss.

Do you know what was the heat of the competition when I competed skiing? Not losing my balance under high speed and ending up with my face buried into the snow.

Or when I used to play table tennis? Trying to keep my head cool even when the opponent had the upper hand or I had a bad day. Overcoming such obstacles without underperforming or losing my temper is what made me competitive.


But here in the online, for some twisted logic I yet have to manage to grasp, the "heat of the competition" is putting up with harassment and insults. And it doesn't end here, the flamers will go out their way and tell you that you should stop playing (or breathing, if they are angrier than usual) because you are not competitive. Ha! Don't you dare tell me I'm not competitive when you've been losing your shit from the very beginning, spamming the chat with macros, distracting our allies and disrupting the team as hard as you could because you couldn't handle the enemy team getting the first kill.

There are different levels and way of taunting, and just trying to get a "yes for taunt / no for taunt" answer is not the solution.
Sometimes it's just friendly. Sometimes, it's because the opponent is harassing us at base, so when we beat him at last we're glad to jump twice on it's body before leaving (jump is the easy emote whatever the game). Sometimes it's because someone attacks us all alone while you did not attack him or her on purpose, he or she keeps attacking you, you then have 50% HP and did nothing on purpose to let the other one leave (cause you're busy reaching somewhere) and then you understand he or she won't leave you, you turn back at him or her and just burst that one in 10sec, a bit like an annoying mosquito you decide to get rid of. Sometimes, it's 1v2 and you win, so you're glad to jump on them like a small taunt as they couldn't beat you while they were more. One of my favourite taunt in LoL is typing "?" when someone jumps at me while I'm alone, I asked for nothing (it's the game, of course, so they try), and then I beat them. It's harmless and fun, and a bit like "why did you come at me? what did you think would happen?"
It's nothing to compare with those coming after a game and harassing you. That's not ok of course. But be sure first it's not someone just coming to give you advice. Sometimes people don't handle pure advice told in a normal way and think the person is raging or full of himself.

Good sportsmanship is rarer now, people think they're still at school, or with their friends. We can feel when a taunt is supposed to be funny for both side just to have a laugh, we can feel when it's a taunt not really mean, just like something on the moment but it's ok, and we can feel when you have people in the need of making you feel bad on purpose to a certain level to feel superior, that last one is not ok imo.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

But here in the online, for some twisted logic I yet have to manage to grasp, the "heat of the competition" is putting up with harassment and insults.

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Hmmm, I dunno it sounds a bit much, but then again I haven't played that many feast matches, so I can't really know. Could you say they are trying to bully you to stop?

The phrase "heat of competition" was used as an umbrella term.

Good to know you can perform elsewhere without losing your cool. :)

Again, in RL, professional competition, this kind of behavior is rare. Casual, amongst friends, family and over the internet, it's common (talking taunting, and toxic behavior).

The reason it happens this much over the internet, I dunno, but I bet it has something to do with anonymity and antisocial behavior. Some people are genuine %#&holes though, ofc, we all encountered them. Don't let their bulling get to you.

In real life, no one would imply people who squats are s.assault attacker (for PC purposes), because that would make every single person on earth an attacker. Comparing random strangers to an attacker is also a mild form of accusing them of being an attacker. Falsely accusing someone of being an attacker is a serious crime that can damage their reputation and ruin lives. OP, please seek counselling for your traumatic experience, learn to build your trust on people and interact with people again. If you're still struggling to cope and feel like it is too much, give your local samaritans a call.

This thread honestly needs to die and I know I'm going against the sentiment by bumping it but still.

Stop equating silly emotes in a FL match to harassment. Learn what context means. Learn what harassment actually means. You downplay the meaning of harassment and how much of a problem it can be when you throw the label on anything you see fit. Stop.

And OP. Get some help. Don't let a Japanese video game company solve your trauma, they're just there to make video games. Go see a therapist.

was the teabagger a lala by any chance? ;^)

Just get good. Stop crying about the Victor's behavior. Perhaps if you had won the battle, you would not be looking for aid from the powers that be. Weakness, is not a good look!

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

Just get good. Stop crying about the Victor's behavior. Perhaps if you had won the battle, you would not be looking for aid from the powers that be. Weakness, is not a good look!

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"Get good" is not a reality in this topic as in Frontline you always will die a moment or another (same in Feast), even if it can happen to have 0 deaths. Unrealistic advice about that topic. Who never ever lose in a way or another? (overall lost game even if never died, or just one death on the field even if you won). Get realistic instead trying to be a smart mouth. I do understand it's kind of humor as you're exagerating, but the kind of humor that only makes the one doing it to have a laugh, I don't believe it has its place in the topic even if you think the author is being ridiculous to complain about such common behaviour.

It's more of me saying, yeah just laugh at it and keep trying to get better. What I personally would do is make a mental mark of the player and look for chances to get them back. But dont tunnel them or you will put yourself and your team at risk. Just get revenge man.