Alas, having to run ahead to megapull and then run back with the mobs because the healer won't keep up just makes it even less appealing to megapull.Quote:
Part of that tank learning, making sure the healer isn't too far away
Joking about what? You really think your tank AoE alone makes it that worthwhile to megapull when the DPS and healer won't AoE? I sure don't.Quote:
You're joking right?
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08-31-2019, 05:46 AMFynlar
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08-31-2019, 05:54 AMHyoMinParkFairly certain Layla was referring to the ridiculous “padding your parse” comment. No one cares about padding or parses in Holminster Switch. Or any of the leveling dungeons, for that matter. Hence the “You’re joking, right?” remark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
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08-31-2019, 06:26 AMFynlarI literally can't think of any other reason why you'd do it. Also, I know very well that there's people who parse everything they do, regardless of how much sense it makes to myself or you or anyone else. Encountered it in ffxi and I'm sure it happens still in this game, even if it's less talked about openly due to its reportable nature.Quote:
Fairly certain Layla was referring to the ridiculous “padding your parse” comment. No one cares about padding or parses in Holminster Switch. Or any of the leveling dungeons, for that matter. Hence the “You’re joking, right?” remark.
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08-31-2019, 07:07 AMVulcann
i would rather run dungeons with my trusts than most of this community as grouping with players has been miserable. I quit playing my healer in roulette since every tank wall to wall pulls and then blames me for dying. I am starting to hate playing my tank since DPS bitch and moan if i don't wall to wall pull. I don't know if its the influx of WoW players or what but duty roulette is a miserable experience lately.
so yeah i am hoping they expand on the trust system. like allow me to take them into lower level dungeons as well and maybe even the Deep dungeons. would love to see the roster expanded and you can "collect" different main characters. allow me to fight along side Rauban, Lyse, Hien hell even Hildebrand and Nashu.
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08-31-2019, 07:10 AMBrynne
Sometimes you just need a break from other players but you still wanna get exp. Trusts are great for that. And I have some of my favorite NPCs in there, so it's quite fun to feel like you're adventuring side by side. I hope they expand them a lot more - add more dungeons and more NPCs, maybe make it so you can go in with one other player for those couples who play together, etc.
Also, the environments in those dungeons are stunning. If you're not in a rush sometimes it's nice to just... take it all in. What a beautiful game this is! -
08-31-2019, 07:44 AMAvatre
I only(within the last week or two) started using them...3 of the characters are almost at 75, the others are still 71. I'll be using it still while leveling the remainder of my classes(8/17 are 80 now, so got lots of time to work in it still....and farm the FATEs)
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08-31-2019, 07:48 AMOichiThat would be fantastic! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vulcann
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08-31-2019, 08:10 AMAngeliouxRein
I LOVED using the trust, it helped keep me in the moment of the story. Been using it for all three of my characters. Now that I am out of the story I am in the process of leveling them to 80. I like that I can use them to farm stuff in dungeons and that I don't have to worry about a que. It's been perfect for me to level tanks this way, since I am one of those who sort of fear tanking with other players. It's also a nice break for my healers that get to relax and focus on dps. I really hope we get to unlock more NPC, to help us out. *Looks at Aymeric* Don't forget that asked you to go on adventures with me D: !! *Cough* but yeah, I hope they expand on this.
Edit: OH! I also would want Little...ah..The o' mighty sun and queen of the undying ones to join. THAT would be epic and hilarious lol -
08-31-2019, 09:03 AMRyuDragnier
I do not, but that's only because I'm already level 80 on all DoW and DoM jobs.
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08-31-2019, 09:19 AMTaebok
Trusts are the greatest thing ever added to this game.
I hope we get them for raids soon. -
08-31-2019, 03:53 PMHazama999
No.
To me, Trusts were a nice, quirky addition to use once, maybe twice, during the story. I felt that the characters' quips and interactions weren't really worth the time it took to get through the average dungeon. They're still a nice option to have, of course, just not something I will continue to use. -
08-31-2019, 04:09 PMKahnom
Just got my Amaro 4 days ago.
I leveled all DPS with players but leveled all Tanks & Healers using Trusts.
My thoughts ? Its better than average players I ran with and I can calculate the finished time for each run so-
I can cut the drama sh*t in duty that cause me more time.
Also NPC not typing-
“Brb bio”
“Srry family aggro”
“Cat on keyboard”
“Someone at front door”
“Answering the phone”
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08-31-2019, 04:09 PMForteNightshade
I have yet to touch them once. I may eventually level them—emphasise on may—but they ultimately don't appeal to me whatsoever. While the novelty is cute, and I do appreciate their inclusion for those who prefer a more casual dungeon run. I want to pull everything and AoE it all down. It isn't entirely about efficiency either. Big pulls are fun because I actually feel like a tank or healer. I need to rotate CDs because that many mobs actually hurts, especially some of the super pulls you can do. Trusts do not allow for this, and doing single pulls is painfully boring. Ironically, I find it worse on a healer than any other job. At least with DPS, I have my single target rotation to fall back on. With healers, three mobs boils down to mostly Glare/Broil/Malefic spam.
What I will say, is people who refuse to pull more than one pack at a time in ShB leveling dungeons now, really have no excuse not to use Trusts. -
08-31-2019, 04:09 PMKusanagi7
i got dadcred n the twins to 80 n plan to get the other 3 to 80.
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08-31-2019, 06:25 PMWindwalker
Only used them when i first ran the new dungeons, after i finnished the story i went back to playing with others instead. NPCS are way too slow
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08-31-2019, 07:56 PMKageTokage
Yes.
Mostly because I like to be able to grind EXP without having to commit to an actual group so I can drop with no penalty/guilt if, say, a S rank hunt spawns. -
08-31-2019, 08:03 PMRockette
Trusts are a super good way to get all the music, minions and glamour you want. I've enjoyed them.
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08-31-2019, 08:06 PMAmalahRose
I'm still using them. I use PotD and HoH to level a job to 71, but that isn't the best way to learn how to play a job since everything dies so fast. Going into trusts afterwards until level 80 gives me time to properly figure out the job and learn rotations etc before I unleash myself on the unsuspecting public lol.
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09-01-2019, 02:09 AMYeol
Yes.
- No queue time.
- Drop out whenever you want without penalty.
- Get all the loot (Glamour, minions, cards, music).
I'll stop using them after getting all my jobs to level 80. -
09-01-2019, 06:39 AMKeddera_StormMoon
I still use them when I don't have roulettes to run. And I daresay it's a faster way to get specific sets of armor I want as I'm not fighting somebody else for the rolls.
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09-01-2019, 01:43 PMCilia
I've never touched them and have no real intention of doing so.
Doing dungeons with NPCs kind of homogenizes the experience. Real people are unpredictable, which makes it exciting; no two dungeon runs will ever be the same. NPCs removes that element, making every run with those NPCs the same.
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09-01-2019, 01:59 PMEdwinLi
Yes.
I enjoy the trust giving a experience of being a Storyline Instance sometimes.
Normal Player group play is fine but let us face the reality that majority of the time it will be only Spam AoE between Boss fight and tanks chugging down Healer's healing like a Healing addict. People's disdain of Trust is more towards not being "Speedrun" efficent compared to Normal Player parties which is understandable but also uncessary since Trust was never meant to be a alternative to Fast Speedrun MSQ dungeons but a alternative experience towards MSQ dungeons that is something different from the normal Player Party experience being for the MSQ Dungeon to be a Story Instance rather than a Dungeon which is expect to have mix feeling over since certain people only deem things fun if they can get through the content fast as possible.
Sometimes I just want to take things at a steady pace and the Trust gives that moment to try Dungeons differently.
However, i do hope we get additions to Trust to make the experience a bit more unique later such as Each Trust get their own Solo LB so they no long use the Normal Party LB such as Tnacred gets Lionheart LB. Also maybe Trust Character/Party Skill tree for each Trust Companion so as we level them we can make them more unique from normal Players. -
09-01-2019, 02:17 PMUnrealTai
Yep still using them.
A lot of players forget that squadrons essentially are trusts too, and you can just solo level from 20-80 using a combination of the 2.
Its alot faster 20-70 to use trusts (squads) because the wait timer for those dungeons are HORRIBLE.
Plus, you get the push ups emote, perfect for PVP kills if emotes were still allowed there lol.
By the time the duty ques you could already have completed 1-2 runs, if youre even still awake by then.
Problem is squadron “trusts” is not something you can just go instant unlock, it takes about one week of doing meaningless (but very short) tasks once every 18 hours, but once you get to rank 2 its full steam ahead, spam dungeons and insta que.
Nice option for getting everything to 80 and is tons faster then fate grinding.
I really hate dungeons, but I hate leveling slow even more (fates), and potd hoh is not appealing to me.
Squadrons and trusts are really faster anyway, assuming the que time is bad of course. -
09-01-2019, 06:11 PMAlleo2-3 times longer? Of course if you have a great player group you might be able to finish these dungeons (with good gear) in maybe 15 minutes but three times longer would be 45 minutes. Honestly most of my runs are around 30 minutes with them and for most random groups thats probably only like 10 minutes longer. (And as a DD I have zero wait time)Quote:
Originally Posted by grinkdaboy
Not the person you quoted but I still wanted to give an answer to that because I too see the trusts as better than the squadron. (All my squadrons are max level and have most of their stuff unlocked..and I have over 100 runs with them)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
Trusts are tailored to the dungeons. Sometimes they die (especially a certain healer and a certain BLM..) but most of the time they will stay alive, will rezz death people and work mostly fine. I can run as a DD to groups of monsters and pull them back to the tank and he will get them off me quite fast.
My squadron experience: A lot of the 50er dungeons feel like being nearly impossible to do, especially if you are the tank. They dont do mechanics at all so you will get target by everything alone thus you have to micro manage them so that they stack with you for example in Sohm Al or stop attacking certain things.
The healer AI is just utterly horrible..they only start to heal when you are quite low and wont stop their DPSing even if you are nearly dieing. No matter how many buffs I pop I wont survive it if they are throwing a stone out at the moment instead of using the slow heal spell..I dont know how many wipes happened because of that and if you need to pop your "oh shit" buttons with a normal pull of one trash group then there is imo something wrong with that AI. I have given up on doing certain dungeons as a tank because I get hit with everything, they dont do mechanics and the healer wont heal me. They can also rezz but will always wait until after the fight..which means that I have to have certain potions with me to rezz the group while endangering myself at the same time.
The tank is not much better. They are holding out a bit more so I can pull bigger groups with them but I need to click on every single mob a few times with engage because unlike with Trusts they dont aggro all of the mobs at the same time..Which means (since everyone starts attacking with engage) that the healer and DD NPC will get a lot of the monsters at first..and I also have a lot of monsters on my back (sometimes being killed thanks to it). The tank also seemingly likes to turn bosses towards the group..
The DDs are probably the best part of the squadron because of their damage but as soon as they get monsters on them they will try to walk away. Also not always using their DoTs and skills like that.
Before the nerf to Engage you could run certain dungeons quite fast. With that much power you could also kill lots of bosses before they could harm you..after the nerf a dungeon (since I want all the exp) will still at least take up to 20 minutes..the micromanaging of them can be annoying and dieing as a tank because I pulled one group also gets old after some time. Changing their behaviour does not do much and I wished that they would have made the healers truly just be healers..
With trusts I only have to be careful at bosses (but me dieing with squadrons also ends the run and I get hit will all the stuff there too) otherwise I can run forwards as a DD and pull more stuff to the tank who will take it from me and is able to survive it. I also was able to survive more than one trash pull as a tank myself. Sometimes they might die to bosses but I barely had any deaths when I leveled them all to 80. I dont want to count the amount of death my squadrons had. They know were to stand and at least still do some DPS and I dont have to micromanage them. The runs are taking a bit longer but are less stressfull and theoretically you could just run into the next trash and the tank will get everything and you can go afk or look at the envoirment. With squadrons you have first need to make sure that the tank even has the aggro at all. -
09-01-2019, 06:19 PMLaylaTsarraDon't forget to count the queue times if you're a dps especially. I've not had insta queues for expert or those dungeons even as a healer so after all is said and done I'm sure the time invested is about the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
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09-01-2019, 06:26 PMKomarimono
I've had no use for them. I play mostly a tank or healer, rarely DPS. Queue times for fine for me and trusts do poor poor pooooooor DPS and a waste of time.
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09-01-2019, 06:35 PMAlleoThat too. Which is why I am a bit skeptical how a run can take especially three times longer if you are comparing it with randoms. Might be possible with friends that are great players with awesome gear but when you start out and play a DD it might even be just faster with trusts.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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09-01-2019, 06:38 PMMomomiMomiMy longest dungeon is The Vault which takes me 18 minutes. One of my dps isn't even maxed out yet. Everything else takes less time than that, usually 15 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
Only if you sit there doing nothing but stare at your screen during your queues.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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09-01-2019, 06:43 PMAlleoDo you kill everything? Are you the tank or the DD/healer? My runs go a bit faster when I am not the tank because the NPC tank can take more damage. I am not at the vault yet with them but anything under 50, especially when I want everything will take quite the time. I am not sure if 15 minutes is possible then.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
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09-01-2019, 06:45 PMRannie
I've got them all to level 80 and I'm still going to use them for leveling my other jobs. I honestly switch between using trusts and waiting for the que to pop even for dps. I definitely use them for each dungeon once per job so I can get the feel of what the run will kind of be like before running with other people.
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09-01-2019, 06:49 PMMomomiMomiI've used them as all three roles. Most of the time I do kill everything. There are some exceptions, like Dzemael Darkhold where there's stuff that requires you to go quite out of your way to get to them. In cases like that, you get more exp/hr if you just skip them.Quote:
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09-02-2019, 12:59 AMJybril
They could really do with them using AoE spells, sometimes, at least.
I get that they don't want to make them overshadow real players but
it wouldn't hurt to give them a little more tweaking.
My favourite thing about Trust are the fact they know all mechs, so if you're anxious and stuff, just follow the leader
and they always get it right. Plus, they won't leave PT if you happen to mess up or scream at you lol.
Excellent addition to the game, hope to see them expand to earlier levels too. -
09-02-2019, 01:59 AMSerLukeYeah I agree, I’ve never had a trust run take longer than 30 minutes unless I’m afking between pulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
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09-02-2019, 03:19 AMAnne-
Hell yes I am. The trust system is one of the best things from this expansion in my opinion.
I'm currently unto getting every class to 80, focusing on my PLD and MNK at the moment, both around lvl 63/64. I can't wait to have them at lvl 71 and jump into trusts again. Yes, runs take longer, but zero waiting time, no stress with random people and getting the gear every time... the pros simply outweigh the cons for me. -
09-02-2019, 03:32 AMDaralii
I've been putting off leveling them, but want to in the event they're available for future story dungeons. It's another thing on my bucket list that's probably never going to get checked off.
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09-02-2019, 03:43 AMEdwinLiNot to mention you don't have to fight people for the Minions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anne-
Can confirm that Minions still drop with Trust Dungeons on the FInal Boss chest as I already got 2 of them being the Black Shiba Inu dog from the lvl 71 Dungeon and the Armadillo one from the lvl 77 dungeon.
I think these people are over exaggerting the amount of time Trust Dungeons takes to complete. The Average time I have taken is usually between 25 to 35 minutes depending on the time I been lazy with 30 minutes being the average which is a normal time a player group normally spend if they only do one group pull at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SerLuke
I think they have just become too use to Mass pulls and clicking the only 2 or 3 AoE skills for Speedruns which normally averge between 15 to 20 minutes for me (depending on how long the Boss fights takes and length it takes for mobs to die which greatly depends on the gear and what skills are used).
I don't even think some of these people can even do a 10 minute player group run unless they are unsync leveled in the dungeons or always playing with super optimal geared endgame player parties that materia their gear to the most optimal stats. -
09-02-2019, 06:34 AMAlleoI am not sure if its a sign of great coding if you need to not be the tank as a tank to survive. IMO just fix the healer AI and a lot of headaches would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
Still you must be quite good at it because I finally finished the Aurum Vale runs and I cant see how that will ever be cleared by me in less than 19-20 minutes. I cant tank more than two packs at a time and my tank died when I pulled half of the first room. Then the wait for each of the morbol "children" to spawn because they give much more exp that way and then later if you let the tank pull big it can go quite wrong because they are all over attacking different NPCs because the tank is too slow.
I just prefer trusts. They might be slower but had me less annoyed at the same time. And I would say 97% of the times that I died was because I made a mistake..only the first boss at Holminster as a tank was a problem because the healer first did not heal me. But turning him a bit and moving near them solved that. -
09-02-2019, 07:48 AMMomomiMomiTrusts are definitely better designed. They actually put effort into them. Meanwhile, squadrons were made OP simply so that they wouldn't have to put a ton of effort into designing them. I just wish trusts were better designed and just as good as the squadrons. Either increase their damage, make them AoE, or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
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09-02-2019, 12:27 PMEdwinLiI don't think just straight up increasing damage nor adding AoE skills only when they are fighting large mobs may make them interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
I am more in line with them developing the Trust system into a more RPG aspect for the system such as a Skill tree to choose how players want to develop each Trust individual similar other FF games that have NPC party members. Maybe even allow Trust to Unlock their own Solo LB so they no longer use the Player's LB bar.
Trust is a Solo experience but not meant to replace Player parties nor Player party speedruns of 15 minutes or less. It is meant to give a more Solo RPG/Story Instance experience to the MSQ Dungeons thus the development of Trust may be more interesting if they developed the experience to be a bit more unique from Player group experiences. Yes, giving the abiltiy to improve each Trust individual in the players own way will still increase the speed the Trust complete dungeons due to being stronger and introducing Solo LB to Trust companions but it is not going to be too major to a point they become a alternative to 15 minute speedruns certain players seem to be obsessed with making Trust parties into. Average I expect the improvements may only make things run a bit faster between the 20 to 30 minute mark considering averge right now for players is a 25 to 35 minute mark. -
09-02-2019, 03:26 PMEnla
Trusts are way too boring for me to do more than maybe once or twice a week, if that. I'm exceedingly grateful to the team for providing us with a stress free way to test out classes we might not be entirely familiar with and very much feel Trusts are a net positive for the game. I just can't handle how long the dungeons take though. If I wanted to fall asleep doing content, I'd go level fishing some more.
All in all cool feature, love and understand why it was made the way it was, but it's not my cup of tea. And that is alright, not everything in this game needs to cater to me.