[Petition] Remove Genderlocked Costumes

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I'm not sure why there's such opposition to the idea that visible gear should be usable by all characters. Why argue against this at all?

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Read Yoshi P's interview in the second response on the first page and you'll know why.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Why would it?

Let me cite another game with a far superior glamour system: WoW. In WoW all visible gear is usable by everyone. Even class-specific gear is modeled for races that can't be that class. Want to see what the shaman tier 13 armor would look like on a Gnome? You can do that! There's no such thing as gender-specific gear at all there.

I can't imagine a good reason not to make visible gear usable by everyone. As for "adjust them for bodies they were never meant for" says who? The Krile outfit can be used by non-Lalafells. The Snow outfit can be used by not-Hyur. Hell my crafting glamour is Noctis' jacket. I'm a Viera.. it looks great on me. Was it originally designed to be used by a 7-foot tall bunny girl? It was not. But SE bothered to make it work in that instance. Why not in other instances?

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Except this isn't WoW. I have no idea what it took to make the glam system or what its comprised of. Also does any of WoW's armor look anything like the Far Eastern Matriarch dress? Or the Far Eastern schoolboy outfit? If so, how good is the quality? Can absolutely ANYONE wear them? Last i checked WoWs armor is more like the dungeon armor worn in FFXIV's base game, which was made to be unisex.

Speaking of unisex, that's how Noctis outfit was remade in FFXIV. It was designed with all races and genders in mind. The same cannot be said with Snow's clothes, which was made specifically for men (with a female equivalent). As Viera, would you want to wear Kyrie's hood to have your ears stick out? Have you seen how the jacket stretches out with taller races like Roe, Viera, and Elezen? ...unless you're fine with shoddy work and as long as "its available." I would want the FFXIV to make the best items they can design. But its not always 100% unisex. And that's fine

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Quite.

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Speak for yourself. I'm sure Yoshi P is tired from frequent "i want that too" requests

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Because the gear is fine as it is and not everything is for every body type. If you feel males should have cooler gears, then yeah, they should get gear perfectly designed for them. If females should get trench coats, design something suitable for them. I'd rather developers work on that; much better than spending resources on redesigning old gear for a vocal minority that'll use it one time. And I see no reason to oppose THIS. Let people have special items. Kyrlie's outfit already proved not every race is meant to share certain glam



Are you saying that unironically?

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I think some of us are confused why you're so heavily against unrestricted clothes, like it would honestly bother you any.
This game has so many people who love to play dress up. More options are more options.
It just seems like from this post, and excuse me if I am wrong here, but you don't wish for other people to have so and so clothes
because you want people to stay unique. Well, wouldn't less restrictions make more people look different? The males are about
to wear the wedding dress. So they seem to slowly trying to break a cycle here. It might take less time to alter current outfits
into any body than it is to make a brand new one anyway.
*If SE could be asked to make gear look better, and not rehashed and boring or ugly more people would
be happy with the different types of outfits you could wear, but they don't. Just because you don't think
something looks good on others doesn't mean it does for someone else.
*(I want to mention that they have been asked! We've been asking for a variety of healer gear for years...
He pretty much said no...FeelsBadMan!)

There's nothing wrong with more things in the playpen to play with.
There's honestly no reason why this should be an argument and there
is no harm for asking for things in the game. So again, not sure why people
are against it. I'll just agree to disagree at this case.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I think some of us are confused why you're so heavily against unrestricted clothes, like it would honestly bother you any.
This game has so many people who love to play dress up. More options are more options.
It just seems like from this post, and excuse me if I am wrong here, but you don't wish for other people to have so and so clothes
because you want people to stay unique. Well, wouldn't less restrictions make more people look different? The males are about
to wear the wedding dress. So they seem to slowly trying to break a cycle here. It might take less time to alter current outfits
into any body than it is to make a brand new one anyway.
*If SE could be asked to make gear look better, and not rehashed and boring or ugly more people would
be happy with the different types of outfits you could wear, but they don't. Just because you don't think
something looks good on others doesn't mean it does for someone else.
*(I want to mention that they have been asked! We've been asking for a variety of healer gear for years...
He pretty much said no...FeelsBadMan!)

There's nothing wrong with more things in the playpen to play with.
There's honestly no reason why this should be an argument and there
is no harm for asking for things in the game. So again, not sure why people
are against it. I'll just agree to disagree at this case.

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I think a lot of people are confused by my position. To be perfectly honest, I'm not against unisex items. The team already did a decent job of that within the game itself. But what I'm saying is that there's no harm in having gender exclusive glam (even better if it's a gender equivalent) and glam that was meant to be gender exclusive don't need to change. Yes, uniqueness is a factor, but there needs to be a point when presentation matters too. In a game where looking your best is important, some items scale horribly on different bodies or look heavily pixalated. I would assume people want properly designed gear, instead of getting something just because the other has it.

Speaking of the males getting the bridal dress, I thought that was a missed opportunity to make something new for males. Anyone remember this? *spoiler tags don't work :p*

https://i.imgur.com/0qc0tlL.jpg

That would've been much better as a male exclusive item, than to awkwardly stretch out the bridal gown. But some people are happy with poor work, so whatev

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

The point is that male characters get more variety of long-coats. closed coats, open coats, and a shirtless coat. The only cross class glamour coat for females is
the one with their busts hanging out.

While I do like the looks of the female items on the Mogstation. They all show skin.

And if the Devs did make a Mogstation coat (which I doubt) it will most likely have an exposed bust.

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popotoes do not have a chest, so don't feel so shy.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

popotoes do not have a chest, so don't feel so shy.

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Breast pieces on lalafells look weird. It's one of the reasons I don't wear the Uraeus coat alot as a lala

Remove them?!

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Originally Posted by Volanesh

This forum seriously need a good purification by the atom from a moment and this game seriously need a new game director from a moment as well, but both issues are becoming emergencies right now...

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Shadowbringers was successfully launched with high praise from critics and players. It would be idiotic for him to be replaced [and could potentially damage FFXIV]. I honestly think a lot of people here are so cozy and safe with this game, you don't truely know what playing in a dumper fire is like...
*turns to WoW, Fallout 76, Destiny, Anthem, Andromeda*

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Originally Posted by Volanesh

this game seriously need a new game director

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No, it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

No, it doesn't.

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My bets are that they think someone like Nomura or Hideo Baba would be better choices.

Or Todd Howard.

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Originally Posted by Volanesh

Yoshi p have now gone full woke while dumbing down the game since stormblood, in a rational world it would be time to fired him. And btw he didnt write the story of ShB, the major good point of ShB, just saying.

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Takes more than a writer to create a story.

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Originally Posted by Gula

My bets are that they think someone like Nomura or Hideo Baba would be better choices.

Or Todd Howard.

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Yeah...no thanks. I dont want to deal with 16 times the auroch shite. Howard couldn't put out a bug free game if his life depended on it

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

Oh don't get me wrong, I hate arbitrary restrictions too. If there is no budgetarily prohibitive technical reason why a female character shouldn't be able to wear the existing model of Cid's goggles, then a male-only restriction shouldn't be a thing. Likewise, I wish I could put on Gosetsu's shiny hat, and I think the flower crown debacle was silly too. It could have easily been two separate items.

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On that we agree. I'm not as convinced that moving away from gender locks would necessarily influence gear design, but I can see why you're concerned that it would.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Yes, uniqueness is a factor, but there needs to be a point when presentation matters too... But some people are happy with poor work, so whatev

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You can't decide where the proper tradeoff lies for other people though. It's subjective. Krile's outfit has been brought up as an example supporting the idea that some clothes only look good on certain races but I don't see a problem with it on non-lalafells as far as the form goes. The hood doesn't work well with Viera, but I much prefer having the option to wear it than for someone else to decide that I can't.

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Originally Posted by Volanesh

Yoshi p have now gone full woke while dumbing down the game since stormblood, in a rational world it would be time to fired him.

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"full woke" "rational world" oof.

Found the bigot...

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

The point is that male characters get more variety of long-coats. closed coats, open coats, and a shirtless coat. The only cross class glamour coat for females is
the one with their busts hanging out.

While I do like the looks of the female items on the Mogstation. They all show skin.

And if the Devs did make a Mogstation coat (which I doubt) it will most likely have an exposed bust.

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Do you not like boobs?

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Do you not like boobs?

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Boobs are great until you want something that looks more badass than sexy. plus lalas have like a-cups on max BS, cleavage pieces look silly on us. >:

neh doesnt bother me nor do i need more options~
Id prefer if they updated race textures etc for example

/NotSigned

PS: damn those low blows in the thread tho xD

It seems there's a correlation between those opposed to adding more variety in clothing as well as in adding more variety to the genders of the new races. Shocking...

/added to ignore list

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Originally Posted by Volanesh

Yoshi p have now gone full woke while dumbing down the game since stormblood, in a rational world it would be time to fired him. And btw he didnt write the story of ShB, the major good point of ShB, just saying.

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Without Yoshi you would have no game to begin with, also talking about 'dumbing down' your grammar is pretty dumb...


anyway I've fanted from male au ra to female miq'ote...I am sad I can no longer use my Gosetsu hat that went with my SAM glam :(

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Speaking of the males getting the bridal dress, I thought that was a missed opportunity to make something new for males. Anyone remember this? *spoiler tags don't work :p*

https://i.imgur.com/0qc0tlL.jpg

That would've been much better as a male exclusive item, than to awkwardly stretch out the bridal gown. But some people are happy with poor work, so whatev

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<gasp> I forgot about that! Now I want it.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

Without Yoshi you would have no game to begin with, also talking about 'dumbing down' your grammar is pretty dumb...


anyway I've fanted from male au ra to female miq'ote...I am sad I can no longer use my Gosetsu hat that went with my SAM glam :(

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so, how many languages you can speak, I hope more than one before you start to insult others.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

Without Yoshi you would have no game to begin with, also talking about 'dumbing down' your grammar is pretty dumb...


anyway I've fanted from male au ra to female miq'ote...I am sad I can no longer use my Gosetsu hat that went with my SAM glam :(

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Looking at their server, there is a very high chance that player isn't native (same as me and, like... probably more than 70% of EU DCs players) so pointing the grammar is a bit dangerous line.

As for the hat, replace it with 70th AF one. Not perfect, yes, but at least somehow similar and could work until the moment the will remove genderlock (if they will).

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

Without Yoshi you would have no game to begin with, also talking about 'dumbing down' your grammar is pretty dumb...


anyway I've fanted from male au ra to female miq'ote...I am sad I can no longer use my Gosetsu hat that went with my SAM glam :(

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You can disagree with someone but you shouldn't insult someone over how they type. That is incredibly rude.

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Originally Posted by Volanesh

This is not because he made things right a while back than we should overlook all the things he is doing wrong since then, it is not an argument, but it looks like you dont have any for attacking my mediocre english...

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Not doing anything wrong in my book. Glad he's director and I hope he continues to be for some time. No game is perfect but this one is doing an awful lot right.

Fully support
I've anted to wear a lot of the guys' outfits for a while now, but the only male race I even remotely enjoy playing is Cat Boy (that and I absolutely love Viera... and also male Viera don't exist lmao)

Give everyone some more options pls thx - and I don't just mean cash shop items... There are so many pieces where the male version of the same piece just looks *better* imo and it's really frustrating that I can't get that same look.

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Originally Posted by Volanesh

This is not because he made things right a while back than we should overlook all the things he is doing wrong since then, it is not an argument, but it looks like you dont have any for attacking my mediocre english...

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You were being pretty rude to begin with, Yoshi isn't perfect by all means but your argument seemed to be 'Sack him for making the game more inclusive'

I think I mainly want the swimsuit legpieces to not be gender-locked.

Not all females are into bikini bottoms when it comes to beachwear so making the shorts options available to them while also giving the guys more variety in speedos would be nice.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I think I mainly want the swimsuit legpieces to not be gender-locked.

Not all females are into bikini bottoms when it comes to beachwear so making the shorts options available to them while also giving the guys more variety in speedos would be nice.

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But then you have to take into account design. There would have to be 2 of each item, which would be more work than payoff. You'd have to get the cutsey moonfire bikini bottoms to fit over Hrothbros and the shorts to work on a female frame. Some bottoms are made with female hips and vagoos to be PG-13 covered and I know for a fact the black coeurl bikini bottoms would be showing a whole lot of groin without edits.

And it wouldn't just be the bottoms, because people would immediately demand the tops, and by immediately I mean now. It wont stop, it'll be asked for during QA threads, it'll be a headache. See Yoshi's face every time someone asks questions like it.

It would be nice if their was more one-piece swim suits rather then bikinis all the time. As for speedos they do have them in game as well as 'man-kinis' but as far as I can see female characters only have one one-piece bathing suit.

2 one-pieces, if we're counting the striped and solid variations (I don't). I'd really like other types of swimsuit on females that aren't a bikini... and the one-piece clips horribly because of the little skirt

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

In other words, I'm scared of the prospect that if the artists were forced to always account for 2 genders and never had the freedom to just go ham on one, the quality of assets would worsen to accommodate the increased quantity.

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If they go ham on one, doesn't the other get shafted?

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

If they go ham on one, doesn't the other get shafted?

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People usually don't care about this, you see. "I got my candy and want more candies and you should <kupo!> up" kind of logic.

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Originally Posted by Gula

But then you have to take into account design. There would have to be 2 of each item, which would be more work than payoff. You'd have to get the cutsey moonfire bikini bottoms to fit over Hrothbros and the shorts to work on a female frame. Some bottoms are made with female hips and vagoos to be PG-13 covered and I know for a fact the black coeurl bikini bottoms would be showing a whole lot of groin without edits.

And it wouldn't just be the bottoms, because people would immediately demand the tops, and by immediately I mean now. It wont stop, it'll be asked for during QA threads, it'll be a headache. See Yoshi's face every time someone asks questions like it.

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It isn't anywhere near as complicated as people are making it out to be.

Remember that these aren't real articles of clothing. It's not like having to stretch cloth over a body that it wasn't meant for. It's literally just forming the item to all the available player models. It's really not that hard.

As for "it won't stop" yeah... it shouldn't. Just model all visible gear to be usable by all players. This isn't unusual in games with customizable characters.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

It isn't anywhere near as complicated as people are making it out to be.

Remember that these aren't real articles of clothing. It's not like having to stretch cloth over a body that it wasn't meant for. It's literally just forming the item to all the available player models. It's really not that hard.

As for "it won't stop" yeah... it shouldn't. Just model all visible gear to be usable by all players. This isn't unusual in games with customizable characters.

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It's not even as close to as simple as you may think either, see my post on the first page where I go into technical detail on the system Square has setup for this game, there is no base model to form things over.

To make a piece of gear for both genders and all races, they'd have to:

1) Make it for female Hyur.
2) Use various racial scaling modifiers to form it to the correct proportions for the rest of the shared body skeletons in the category.
3) fix weights, scaling issues, etc.
4) Re-sculpt the piece to fit female lalafell & male lalafell.
5) repeat #3
6) Re-sculpt it again to fit male Hyur
7) Repeat #2 & 3
8) Re-sculpt it once again for Hrothgar/Roegadyn
9) repeat #2 & 3
10) Potentially re-sculpt it once again if the piece requires a different skeleton for Au Ra & Highlander
11) repeat #2 & 3

Literally in the case of male Hyur ---> Hrothgar/Roegadyn, it is literally like having to stretch cloth over a body it wasn't meant for. And that's just for the modelling. Textures might need modification depending on how the piece itself is affected, since upscaling a piece from the size of a Hyur to a Hrothgar would look terrible and cause pixelation without modification. Then they have to do Q&A, make sure certain attributes are hiding when paired with other pieces of gear, make sure the gear itself is working correctly, repeat #3 again & again till the weights on the piece are correct and working with the physics engine correctly.

A more inclusive game with more customization options for everybody to use equally > random people complaining about politics or being woke. Seriously grow up.

No For lore reasons

No because people who want this jump on other people's threads and make a big deal when they want something

Let's be honest though when it comes to fashion Male gear on Female looks far better than the reverse. Don't ask me why but when it come's to Female gear on a male it just doesn't look right to me. Maybe women are just the superior fashion gender! XD

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Originally Posted by BHolland

No For lore reasons

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....... El Oh El

Sure no problem, I'll just fly around in my sports car shall I or my motorcycle? Or maybe dress up as Santa Claus?

Some of the responses on this thread.... Yikes. Who knew gender-neutral clothing in a video game was such a horrible, offensive thing to some folks. It's almost as if it would physically hurt someone if it were added lmao

/signed honestly. I'd love to play a male miqo'te but most of the male armour looks horrible compared to the females'. Give me some of the skirts and dresses, please. If you don't like virtual men in dresses just... don't put your virtual man in a dress. It's not like male Viera which would actually be very time-and-resource intensive to make anyway.

I don't eat vegan food but I'm not going around saying 'why even bother having vegan options, restaurants waste resources even offering tofu, vegans are a minority, not many people eat this stuff'. Or maybe Femroes in-game are better comparison. Very few people play them in comparison to, say, female miqo'te but they still model armour for them. Won't kill anyone to have a few more options.