Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Dungeons are generally universally appealing. The main sell of Final Fantasy 14 is a fairly standard RPG set in an MMO world.

It is one thing to develop side content, it is another if the main cake of the game is compromised for this side content. My main annoyance is that FF14 implements a plethora of features, but fails to follow up or complete any of them. They're diversions at best, and many of them you get everything you ever will out of them after 15 minutes.

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To be fair dungeons are a great way to tell a story, and that is what they are used for. Saying that they are the main sell of FFXIV is questionable however, I'd rather say the extensive MSQ would be the main sell. While the classical modern MMO (WoW clone) invests alot of time in dungeons and raids, who is to say that it should be the main focus. WoW does raids and dungeons better then any game out there, so why should ffxiv try to compete with them over this?

I'd rather see them have their own strengths. And diversity in content and lore are their strengths. Adding a new job, even tho it may be "limited" is a great way to add more to the world. And in the end, it is meant to be a world, not an idle in capital and queue for stuff kind of world.

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Originally Posted by Mithia

I'd rather see them have their own strengths. And diversity in content and lore are their strengths. Adding a new job, even tho it may be "limited" is a great way to add more to the world. And in the end, it is meant to be a world, not an idle in capital and queue for stuff kind of world.

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And Blue Mage's current implementation fixes this how?

Once you get your skill from that monster in that zone you move on and never bother again.

That isn't a more immersive and engaging world, that's just the level 1-15 grind so you can dungeon again, only over a course of 50 levels and you can only premake dungeons.

Source on this? Because it seems like you are speculating that after we get to 15 all of our abilities will only ever come from dungeon bosses/mobs. It’s not a fix all it’s a step in the right direction

I don’t understand why they have to be at odds with each other, the idea of the log and carnival somehow not being able to be in the game if they smack a BLU job that can do all content.
I think so long as a majority of players wish for something, the dev team would want to do it or at least acknowledge the desire.
In this case, BLU is very wanted by most people to do normal content. What if next live letter they got up and said.
“Thanks to the community, we realize that both the carnival and a standard job are the way to go forward. And, much later of course, as designing and implementing a job takes time and effort even if all assets are there, they add an unlimited version of the job as a reward for doing carnival?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

And Blue Mage's current implementation fixes this how?

Once you get your skill from that monster in that zone you move on and never bother again.

That isn't a more immersive and engaging world, that's just the level 1-15 grind so you can dungeon again, only over a course of 50 levels and you can only premake dungeons.

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As an above poster mentioned, its not all from dungeons. Secondly, going with that train of thought that once you complete something the content is dead... well I have no real words for that. There will always be new players trying out the BLU job, and in a later patch they might as well add similar jobs such as the Beast Master who also thrive in solo content.

This brings life to the world, and I'm not saying the world is dead right now, just less populated. It would in any case be a great opportunity to do those old big fates if you still lack the achievements from them.

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Originally Posted by Flatopia

I don’t understand why they have to be at odds with each other, the idea of the log and carnival somehow not being able to be in the game if they smack a BLU job that can do all content.
I think so long as a majority of players wish for something, the dev team would want to do it or at least acknowledge the desire.
In this case, BLU is very wanted by most people to do normal content. What if next live letter they got up and said.
“Thanks to the community, we realize that both the carnival and a standard job are the way to go forward. And, much later of course, as designing and implementing a job takes time and effort even if all assets are there, they add an unlimited version of the job as a reward for doing carnival?

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BLU is only wanted to be a "normal DoM job" by the vocal minority who can't straight away go into raids with them, or actually have to play the game to get its entire kit. Try it out, then come back and criticize it. No need to assume the rape of your favorite job from previous installments just because it is limited in DF or levels.

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Source on this? Because it seems like you are speculating that after we get to 15 all of our abilities will only ever come from dungeon bosses/mobs. It’s not a fix all it’s a step in the right direction

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I didn't make a claim, I made a comparison.

The world isn't more engaging because Blue Mage exists. The world remains flawed. Blue Mage is just the latest coat of paint to distract from that.

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Originally Posted by Mithia

BLU is only wanted to be a "normal DoM job" by the vocal minority who can't straight away go into raids with them, or actually have to play the game to get its entire kit. Try it out, then come back and criticize it. No need to assume the rape of your favorite job from previous installments just because it is limited in DF or levels.

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Actually according to nearly every poll I’ve seen through many forums and even several I’ve conducted in game and in the larger communities I subscribe to, it’s, at the smallest, only slightly edging out in terms of opinion, and at worst being the very vast majority.
Also, it’s more so they’re upset they can’t ‘main’ it in any new content. They made it clear it’s not a real job, and as such should be treated as a side thing. They’re more upset that the job they’re waiting 6+ years for is unable to do any content that most would consider standard. No tome stones, no raids, no ex’s, no 24 mans, not even msq!
While I do agree that trying it out is important to see its future, they made it very clear right away that the current design is simply not a standard job, and as such the reaction is very understandable. It’s not a matter of not liking what it is, it’s a matter of being dissapointed at what most people believe it should have been.

Also to call this the “rape” of our job is silly, we’re in this predicament because the team refused to give any leeway on the idea of finding moves out in the world at the sacrifice of standard content. It’s ironically too faithful to a single aspect of the jobs identity.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I didn't make a claim, I made a comparison.

The world isn't more engaging because Blue Mage exists. The world remains flawed. Blue Mage is just the latest coat of paint to distract from that.

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I never said claim. I said it seems like speculation. Does it entirely fix the problem with a lack of open world content? No. It does however signal a step in the right direction by giving us some new content based in the open world. From what I can tell from solely what was revealed this doesn’t feel like some random coat of paint to distract. If anything it feels more like a way for them to shine a light by putting more people in the open world and seeing what complaints come out of the open world and what feedback they get. So they can make better adjustments later. Albeit that seems like a secondary goal compared to creating new and unique content so not all jobs play primarily the same as each other.

Let’s look at casters. You can boil down all three current casters to a single play style, build up a job specific resource to release a devestating move, black mage builds polyglot to get foul, red mage fills its balance gauge and lets you choose between Verholy and verflare after a melee combo, summoner builds up dreadwyrm aether to summon demibahamut so it can ahkmorhn... do we really need another caster that boils down to this same formula? Or would we rather them try to give us a new caster experience? Would the community be this upset if this was an original job and not called blue mage? We blame nostalgia for this implementation and too rigid an adherence to “one aspect of blue mage’s identity.” But nostalgia is also the reason for much of the backlash.

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Originally Posted by Flatopia

Actually according to nearly every poll I’ve seen through many forums and even several I’ve conducted in game and in the larger communities I subscribe to, it’s, at the smallest, only slightly edging out in terms of opinion, and at worst being the very vast majority.
Also, it’s more so they’re upset they can’t ‘main’ it in any new content. They made it clear it’s not a real job, and as such should be treated as a side thing. They’re more upset that the job they’re waiting 6+ years for is unable to do any content that most would consider standard. No tome stones, no raids, no ex’s, no 24 mans, not even msq!
While I do agree that trying it out is important to see its future, they made it very clear right away that the current design is simply not a standard job, and as such the reaction is very understandable. It’s not a matter of not liking what it is, it’s a matter of being dissapointed at what most people believe it should have been.

Also to call this the “rape” of our job is silly, we’re in this predicament because the team refused to give any leeway on the idea of finding moves out in the world at the sacrifice of standard content. It’s ironically too faithful to a single aspect of the jobs identity.

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Maybe calling it rape is a step to far, I apologize.

Could you provide links to said polls if you please? Because in game discussions usually lead to a very positive look on the way they are going with BLU. This is of course purely from my pov and can't be used for large scale reference.

They never made it "clear" tho that it isn't a "real job", they said that currently its a "limited job and they will up the level cap with an upcoming patch".
It is however flawed to perceive BLU as if you can't enter raids or obtain tome stones, even 24 mans is possible if you go into pf. Yes you won't be able to get bonus tome stones from the daily bonus but that's also it, you can still obtain poethics for now. Everything is accessible in ARR. Just not Dungeon Finder.

But you are constantly falling back on the part where it isn't a real job, could you provide me with a quote from Yoshi or any other developer for that. Because it seems to me that its just a general conclusion from the reddit echo chamber.

In all essence the job is there, you just can't expect to dungeon finder or level past level 50 for now.

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Originally Posted by Mithia

But you are constantly falling back on the part where it isn't a real job, could you provide me with a quote from Yoshi or any other developer for that. Because it seems to me that its just a general conclusion from the reddit echo chamber.

In all essence the job is there, you just can't expect to dungeon finder or level past level 50 for now.

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The assumption is made when they very clearly stated it wasn't like other jobs. That it was far too broken to let into standard content, and that the design isn't universal and they have no means to design around that.
Even if they didn't, a non-standard design in which you can cast death on things and insta-kill it, as their own example very clearly would not be allowed in modern content.

And alongside that, they had the very clear bullet point of "not designed for party-use" and "a solo-designed job."
Modern current content is designed with cooperation in mind, such as stacking mechanics or whatnot. The two design philosophies of the Job and the Core up-to-date game experience is simply not compatible.

On the poll, most are simply "say yes or no" in chatrooms, discords, shout chat ((on mateus, I must add)), and forums. The only one with a result was on reddit and I can't seem to find it ((at work))
but every time, even people who didn't care for the job, or thought that the content being added for BLU was fun usually agree that adding a mode in which you can do current content with a safe and well designed job alongside the currently planned features is only a good thing.
As it stands, asking "pick one or the other" is pointless as we not only have no clue what idea they would have come up with for BLU as just the standard job, but also we don't even have gameplay statistics of the currently planned limited job.

As such I think making a point in saying "Both can satisfy everyone and retain every original vision you've stated" from the community would not only enforce the idea that everyone can play what the want, but also retain the job fantasy they're fighting tooth and nail to preserve. I can't say it'd work for every job as I just don't have enough information, but with what I have as of this moment it's not a far fetched idea to please everyone by designing an 'unlimited' core job as a separate mode alongside this limited mode.

Basically, what I want to make clear to everyone and even the developers, we can all win here. And, hey! That means maybe the expansion after ShB they could make a BLU unlimited job with only half the expected dev time! It's even a win on the effort and resources side of things!

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Originally Posted by Mithia

BLU is only wanted to be a "normal DoM job" by the vocal minority who can't straight away go into raids with them, or actually have to play the game to get its entire kit. Try it out, then come back and criticize it. No need to assume the rape of your favorite job from previous installments just because it is limited in DF or levels.

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This just isn't true.
I don't raid at all and I'm disappointed BLU isn't a normal DoM job. It's one of my favourite jobs in the FF series and I was looking forward to maining it and doing all my normal game activities with it (MSQ, roulettes with friends, weekly 24 mans, ect).
Collecting skills is fun and the reason I love it so much in the rest of the series.
I'm sad it's a side activity instead of a full fledged job I can queue with.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

This just isn't true.
MSQ, roulettes with friends, weekly 24 mans, ect).

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luckly only 24mans and roulettes wont work atm luckly u want to play with your friends u can do all the other content too and gather skills ...
Im not a Savage dude too and i will also choose this as my main, when i reached the highest point i care more for my second role ... like i do now ingame playing AST mainly and if he is done i care about the second and third job ...

This isnt a game where one character is bound to one class, now we play most of the time more than one job, i pay more than 10€ for this game ... which has atm 15 jobs this game is huge and has tons of aspects to play with

ATM no one can say where the jurney will go for BLU and in generell for the whole battlesystem and world.
Just relax and wait if u love BLU u will love BLU in FFXIV too ( trust Yoshida and his Dev team) cause u love it, no need for panic even nothing had already happened.

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Originally Posted by Lyden

luckly only 24mans and roulettes wont work atm luckly u want to play with your friends u can do all the other content too and gather skills ...
Im not a Savage dude too and i will also choose this as my main, when i reached the highest point i care more for my second role ... like i do now ingame playing AST mainly and if he is done i care about the second and third job ...

This isnt a game where one character is bound to one class, now we play most of the time more than one job, i pay more than 10€ for this game ... which has atm 15 jobs this game is huge and has tons of aspects to play with

ATM no one can say where the jurney will go for BLU and in generell for the whole battlesystem and world.
Just relax and wait if u love BLU u will love BLU in FFXIV too ( trust Yoshida and his Dev team) cause u love it, no need for panic even nothing had already happened.

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I have no question that I will enjoy BLU, but that will make it even more bitter at the realization I can't do ANY of the things I normally do with such a beautiful job.

You lose NOTHING by supporting people of our opinon.

I'm not asking to demolish what's been prepared. Masked Carnivale, skill hunting and grinding, eureka-esque leveling, we can keep those things. We can allow BLU to be the most broken job in outdated content. However, this doesn't mean we can't have a seperate set of traits to tune some of the broken skills down fit for raiding. Solo players can rest at ease, they lose nothing by others gaining. We can all win, we just have to convince SE of that!

Than i wish u guys luck, write a letter/email with clear ideas or start a petition for the BLU and hand it out to SE.
This could work much better than this bunch of "pro vs. con BLU" community fight!

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Originally Posted by Lyden

Than i wish u guys luck, write a letter/email with clear ideas or start a petition for the BLU and hand it out to SE.
This could work much better than this bunch of "pro vs. con BLU" community fight!

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The most funny point in all the 1001 Blue-Mage threads is.... criticizing and speculating about a job no-one has played yet - talking about changes or even a petition without ANY kind of experience is just meaningless in the end... we don't need 2-3 new threads a day with recoms how a cls should be before it got a chance in the first place : /

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Originally Posted by Neela

The most funny point in all the 1001 Blue-Mage threads is.... criticizing and speculating about a job no-one has played yet - talking about changes or even a petition without ANY kind of experience is just meaningless in the end... we don't need 2-3 new threads a day with recoms how a cls should be before it got a chance in the first place : /

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Could be Garbage, could be fun
Could be lasting content ,could lose its gimick within the hour of 4.5 part 2 release.

People have the right to complain and worry ,alot have been asking for this job and its basically gonna lag behind every job with only the ability to do 5 year old Content and will probably be stuck with only HW content with shb being 2 expansions behind
You have to see why people are not happy with this choice.

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Originally Posted by Lyden

luckly only 24mans and roulettes wont work atm luckly u want to play with your friends u can do all the other content too and gather skills ...
Im not a Savage dude too and i will also choose this as my main, when i reached the highest point i care more for my second role ... like i do now ingame playing AST mainly and if he is done i care about the second and third job ...

This isnt a game where one character is bound to one class, now we play most of the time more than one job, i pay more than 10€ for this game ... which has atm 15 jobs this game is huge and has tons of aspects to play with

ATM no one can say where the jurney will go for BLU and in generell for the whole battlesystem and world.
Just relax and wait if u love BLU u will love BLU in FFXIV too ( trust Yoshida and his Dev team) cause u love it, no need for panic even nothing had already happened.

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The problem is that they've said it'll be kept at a lower level cap. I can't do MSQ with my BLU if it's 20-30 levels below the story. =/
I can hope that BLU will be fun but the information they've given is not encouraging. "Limited" is not a word I associate with fun.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

its basically gonna lag behind every job with only the ability to do 5 year old Content and will probably be stuck with only HW content with shb being 2 expansions behind

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no-one knows yet - not you, nor anyone else. but pls continue complaining about something u actually don't "know" or tried yet....

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Originally Posted by Neela

no-one knows yet - not you, nor anyone else. but pls continue complaining about something u actually don't "know" or tried yet....

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we know at launch it will be locked into arr content
and we know they will slowly increase the cap

yeah at launch to test a whole knew system - no infos bout 5.0 tho. people have to relaxe gosh...

It is very disheartening to have them, paid professionals, not come up with these ideas, or ones similar to implement one of the cooler jobs in FF history in a way that would allow it to be an actual job. The thing that makes it even worse is that they want to add other "limited jobs." That is so stupid. Even worse, they said that Beast Master would be one and that is one of my favorite Jobs. I even made an example one, and I made changes to the them to fit the game it would be in FF14. While I would not expect everyone to like my example, it does show that with a little thought, any job can fit this game.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-is-long-haha

You know I’ve tried for days I’ve tried to give a perspective of reason and common sense to let people at least experience the class before feedback but no.. so let’s try a different approach..

YES THE DEV TEAM HAS PERSONALLY SINGLED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO WANTED BLU AS A META JOB OUT AND BETRAYED YOU! They’ve lost all sense of reason and are disconnected from their fan base. They did a beloved job wrong so we should rise up and slay them! -insert angry mob noise.- and we know it’s horrible and we know it’s bad because WE KNOW ALL THE FACTS NOT THEM! We know all about the new limited job system.. we know when they are going to raise the level cap for blue and by how much.. we know how it’s going to play.. we know it’s not going to ever be end game content.. we know we know WE KNOW!!! Really? Do you know though?

No.. you don’t. None of us do. But please continue slamming and condemning a job and an idea before you even experience it. Call it a mini game.. call it whatever you want. I’m done trying to bring logic and common sense into this. I’m done. I choose to go experience this job with an open mind and to come back to the devs with my own opinion. On blue mage, on the limited job system, on 4.5 in general and I will do it after I have given it a chance. I hope you all do the same.

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Originally Posted by Meta-Flare

It is very disheartening to have them, paid professionals, not come up with these ideas, or ones similar to implement one of the cooler jobs in FF history in a way that would allow it to be an actual job. The thing that makes it even worse is that they want to add other "limited jobs." That is so stupid. Even worse, they said that Beast Master would be one and that is one of my favorite Jobs. I even made an example one, and I made changes to the them to fit the game it would be in FF14. While I would not expect everyone to like my example, it does show that with a little thought, any job can fit this game.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-is-long-haha

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The dev team has given us a lot of good stuff over the years. Yoshi tries his best to please the fan base and most times i find myself saying "we do not deserve him" due to the ire he draws at times. The paid professionals comment is very condescending to a team who spend their lives on this game making content. This team works a hell of a lot more than your average Joe for us and for one I am grateful that they took the time to make an extra "limited" job that probably wasn't even going to make the game in the first place. With the added comment about BST and PUP actualy making it yeah sign me up for something different to do.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

This just isn't true.
I don't raid at all and I'm disappointed BLU isn't a normal DoM job. It's one of my favourite jobs in the FF series and I was looking forward to maining it and doing all my normal game activities with it (MSQ, roulettes with friends, weekly 24 mans, ect).
Collecting skills is fun and the reason I love it so much in the rest of the series.
I'm sad it's a side activity instead of a full fledged job I can queue with.

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Everything is a side activity by that standard. I mean, roulettes? Side activity. Weekly 24 mans? Side activity.

No one said that BLU wont get their level raised immediately, you are acting as if the sky is falling down because the max cap is 50 and roulettes are currently locked.

What if, and what if, the developers felt like this could be a great moment to prepare yourselves with gathering your toolkit. And when Shadowbringer comes out the game is updated to where BLU can join roulettes and bosses are now immune to death etc.

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Originally Posted by Mithia

No one said that BLU wont get their level raised immediately

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Being fair, they actually did say that. They made the point that the level would be increased incrementally over the course of several patches. So it certainly won’t be immediately under the current plan

I agree with the later part, though. I believe that adding a standard job with the assets used could be done later on and make everyone have what they want.

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Originally Posted by Fal_Kearst

The dev team has given us a lot of good stuff over the years. Yoshi tries his best to please the fan base and most times i find myself saying "we do not deserve him" due to the ire he draws at times. The paid professionals comment is very condescending to a team who spend their lives on this game making content. This team works a hell of a lot more than your average Joe for us and for one I am grateful that they took the time to make an extra "limited" job that probably wasn't even going to make the game in the first place. With the added comment about BST and PUP actualy making it yeah sign me up for something different to do.

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It was meant to be condescending. People who are paid to make the game and do spend so much of their time making it should have been able to do it right. Especially if people are coming up with ways it could/should have been integrated on forums. Com one now. Yeah they do some great work, but they are not beyond reproach, and if I am disappointed in something they do, I am allowed to express that.

I'd rather not have the job at all tbh. I think the idea of a limited job is one of the dumbest things I have seen in a mmo.

Guys I would say I'm ok with How Blue Mage is (In fact I'm fine with it). The Fact that Blue is Suppost to go out in the wild and get it's Spells is Fine. the Fact it starts at Level 1 is Fine. The Problem be is this we don't know if it going past ARR. If it'll be ready for Shadowbringer meaning will it ever see Level 80 and so on that is the problem. Lets take Guild Wars 2 the Ravage (It Tanks, It Heals and it DPS) and guess what it goes from 1 to 80 and yes you have to play it clear up no skipping at all (is there an issue with that Nope). the issue is not Duty Finder and Deep Dungeon or PVP it's the worry your going to start investing in a Job with very low Return. Problem is it's been Proven over and Over that it can and could Work except SE is Saying No It can't. WHY Is it because they don't see how when I can pick 5 games not including FF11 that it can. I had to play BeastLord from 1 to 80 in EQ2 and go out and collect every Pet the only thing I didn't do was my Weapon because it would be double hard to do compared to the other Classes. and I did the same for Channeler a Priest type getting all diffrent parts for my Pet. For some reason SE thinks FF14 is a Diffrent MMORPG and I can say one thing before BeastLord was let in EQ2 the Developers scream left and right they would never put it in (in fact you even put the name BeastLord in the Forums it was Deleted after you were done and you were kicked out of the Foums). Really any JOB is up to the Dev's and if they want it. as for Blue Mage I say this Bring it and I don't care if I have to collect Spells from 1 to 50 or Clear up to 80 (I'll do it without 1 scream) but It'll be up to the Dev if they are doing a kid project or a Job.

Sounds to me, and I admit I know very little of the info at hand, that the concern was that if blu could join in a duty you'd end up with blu who haven't bothered to get decent spells yet and ruin the run and this was how to solve that.
The other thought I had was due to the variety of spells it could technically be run as a tank or healer not just dps?

Not sure and yeah sucks about no DF but I think I'd rather know the blu is functional in the run instead of a blu who has 5 skills and can't do anything. That's my 2 cents and that's 2 cents from someone who's been too busy to play 4.0 at all.

I am in the same boat I usually don't go on the forums but I hate this direction they are taking. FFXIV was always about all the classes being able to stand on even ground and the balancing of those classes so that they can all participate in the same content.

This limited class system looks absolutely terrible I really hope they stray away from it and just discuss how to balance and lose certain skills that wouldn't work in an MMO. Red Mage isn't exactly how it was in previous games but they allowed it to work well in FFXIV with the balances and adjustments they made. I'm very disappointed they didn't do the same for Blue Mage.

I've played FFXIV for years and this is the one piece of news that just absolutely perturbed me. I hope with all of my soul that when the level cap for Blue Mage is increased, they will reconsider their actions and make changes to allow Blue Mage to raid. The sooner the better.

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

You know I’ve tried for days I’ve tried to give a perspective of reason and common sense to let people at least experience the class before feedback but no.. so let’s try a different approach..

YES THE DEV TEAM HAS PERSONALLY SINGLED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO WANTED BLU AS A META JOB OUT AND BETRAYED YOU! They’ve lost all sense of reason and are disconnected from their fan base. They did a beloved job wrong so we should rise up and slay them! -insert angry mob noise.- and we know it’s horrible and we know it’s bad because WE KNOW ALL THE FACTS NOT THEM! We know all about the new limited job system.. we know when they are going to raise the level cap for blue and by how much.. we know how it’s going to play.. we know it’s not going to ever be end game content.. we know we know WE KNOW!!! Really? Do you know though?

No.. you don’t. None of us do. But please continue slamming and condemning a job and an idea before you even experience it. Call it a mini game.. call it whatever you want. I’m done trying to bring logic and common sense into this. I’m done. I choose to go experience this job with an open mind and to come back to the devs with my own opinion. On blue mage, on the limited job system, on 4.5 in general and I will do it after I have given it a chance. I hope you all do the same.

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GL with tht if everything go the way thy looking blue mage going to be just a job soloing and can only do stuff u already done the way it looks is thy afraid of breaking tht whole the team together tht mess need to go but still i don't see blue catching up anytime soon because thy didn't want blue mage in this game in the first place because of the farming also the ability to do wat the hell we want to do with our loadout bars thy want to keep jobs with combos etc other than just casting the dang spells u want to cast Tht's why i don't play black mage because itdon't feel like or look like a black mage it look like a fake want to be black mage Tht's why we didn't want thm to mess blue mage up but look at wat happen ok we can gave them blue mage but they not getting into main story line tht was There answer to there fans ya i'll give blue mage a try but i'll still feel like wat was said was stupid because balance can be made over time but we will see wat happen........

See people want to build characters in a game to show there skills like lets say our dps all get killed and heals if this tank build there character right he can still pull it off if the group got the boss to 30 % But the way FF14 is trying to keep this game all abt stay together and don't try to be a hero____ HMMMM ok i think the story need to be fix thn because that sc is fake the warrior of light is a lie you should change that to the warriors of light also show us all need to be killed to bring the world closer to chaos..... Ok that's just what i see whn i'm playing yes i enjoy the story but when i saw what was said about blue mage i Couldn't get what the hell where they was looking or thinking about when they said that about blue mage see all they need to do is watch blue mage in dungeons etc if thy to op lower the damage if someone join a group without blue mage spells Tht's on them if they get kick because if you go to work are u going without your tools etc when u know u need them to get the job done... That was one of the worst mistakes to make so i hve to agree I really hope they decide on changing blue mage because they could hve gave is the blue mage from FF11 then nerf damage if it was to op but weapon skills would be used more because u can burn out of magic fast if u spam it to much something like dark knight but no this was the answer ; ; also we don't need stupid level 5 death we didn't have it in FF11 and we loved it also blue mage was not op in FF11 so i'm still confused how they Can't fix it lol if i see potency around 100-310 on blue mage and u saying that's op i'm going to look at SAM OMG loook at that 720 potency

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See people want to build characters in a game to show there skills like lets say our dps all get killed and heals if this tank build there character right he can still pull it off if the group got the boss to 30 % But the way FF14 is trying to keep this game all abt stay together and don't try to be a hero____ HMMMM ok i think the story need to be fix thn because that sc is fake the warrior of light is a lie you should change that to the warriors of light also show us all need to be killed to bring the world closer to chaos..... Ok that's just what i see whn i'm playing yes i enjoy the story but when i saw what was said about blue mage i Couldn't get what the hell where they was looking or thinking about when they said that about blue mage see all they need to do is watch blue mage in dungeons etc if thy to op lower the damage if someone join a group without blue mage spells Tht's on them if they get kick because if you go to work are u going without your tools etc when u know u need them to get the job done... That was one of the worst mistakes to make so i hve to agree I really hope they decide on changing blue mage because they could hve gave is the blue mage from FF11 then nerf damage if it was to op but weapon skills would be used more because u can burn out of magic fast if u spam it to much something like dark knight but no this was the answer ; ; also we don't need stupid level 5 death we didn't have it in FF11 and we loved it also blue mage was not op in FF11 so i'm still confused how they Can't fix it lol if i see potency around 100-310 on blue mage and u saying that's op i'm going to look at SAM OMG loook at that 720 potency

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All I got from that was an overreaction.

Frankly, when we see another job get something new and get to play it at Fanfest or something(reminder of Stormblood ability expo) I’m hoping they get it right. As for Blue Mage however I want to say that even though there are MANY, MANY people who are BabyRaging over SE making this a solo class, that the system they’re creating could possibly be a system they’re going to test pre-Shadowbringers. It’ll either be that from the outcry of people here or they’ll keep it as solo content.

Another thing to consider is how they implement jobs. They have NEVER introduced a job mid-raid tier meant for End-game Lv Cap. If they did, it’d skew the hell out of the tier if this job suddenly became OP like Ninja and Bard.

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Frankly, when we see another job get something new and get to play it at Fanfest or something(reminder of Stormblood ability expo) I’m hoping they get it right. As for Blue Mage however I want to say that even though there are MANY, MANY people who are BabyRaging over SE making this a solo class, that the system they’re creating could possibly be a system they’re going to test pre-Shadowbringers. It’ll either be that from the outcry of people here or they’ll keep it as solo content.

Another thing to consider is how they implement jobs. They have NEVER introduced a job mid-raid tier meant for End-game Lv Cap. If they did, it’d skew the hell out of the tier if this job suddenly became OP like Ninja and Bard.

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Meant an Expo, not FanFest since that’s done. Can’t edit on phone :s

To be honest, I'm not bothered by their proposal on the job... But I really think it - could - have worked out as a regular job if they wanted. Making BLU fill a ranged caster on the support niche together with BRD and MCH.

If they themed one Blue Magick per class ability, they could easily fill 25 abilities. The flavor of the support would be defined by what blue magicks you'd assign to the active slots, so BLU could represent a really creative kind of support.

The whole lv5 Death debacle is really pointless as in most of the series, bosses are actually already immune to it.

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To be honest, I'm not bothered by their proposal on the job... But I really think it - could - have worked out as a regular job if they wanted. Making BLU fill a ranged caster on the support niche together with BRD and MCH.

If they themed one Blue Magick per class ability, they could easily fill 25 abilities. The flavor of the support would be defined by what blue magicks you'd assign to the active slots, so BLU could represent a really creative kind of support.

The whole lv5 Death debacle is really pointless as in most of the series, bosses are actually already immune to it.

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That 's what i'm trying to say we don't need level 5 death if they look at spells from 11 i'm not saying take everything from 11 i'm saying look at your monsters ingame then make a new blue mage like give us some old spells and some new ones we never seen before also they can fix the class before shadowbringers but i'll still say look at SAM op but u saying blue mage will break the game i just see one thing they don't want a class that can make different loadout bars in game

I'm sorry it's just sad when you see this happen to jobs like this mainly the ones that catch everyones eyes its almost like this in ever mmo game

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Not everything has to come from XI, you know. Also, outside of what I said, we have to realize how the Holy Trinity actually limits SE's creative work. This goes into how Blue Mage's philosophy is: You have to go around learning Monster Skills, just like you do in other Final Fantasy games; the only catch is that it's limiting if you don't bother to get Blue Mage's skills and it doesn't operate as it's supposed to in dungeons. The other thing to understand is they spent a long time to make Blue Mage, and before Stormblood, Blue Mage wasn't possible because let's face it: PS3 had limitations on it through the hardware capacity and they just didn't have the creative space to do what they wanted to do.

As for balancing, we also have to consider how Blue Mage effects the other jobs at large. Let's also not forget we're still struggling to try and get something other than SMN in High-end Raid Content because we're still stuck around utility and Raid Buffs. If Blue Mage brought more than enough to the table to kick out SMN, we'd still be having Caster Wars. Also, it's not a matter of "they don't want a class that can make different loadout bars". It's a matter of what Blue Mage is capable of and whether it's big enough to break a role(Caster) entirely. SAM is also not OP, it's got a lot of damage. That's it.

We're going to have to sit on our butts and wait for BLU to be released in the next story patch in 4.5 til' then, and see how BLU plays out from a game perspective rather than theorycraft all day because we don't even know what skills and potencies there are.

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Not everything has to come from XI, you know. Also, outside of what I said, we have to realize how the Holy Trinity actually limits SE's creative work. This goes into how Blue Mage's philosophy is: You have to go around learning Monster Skills, just like you do in other Final Fantasy games; the only catch is that it's limiting if you don't bother to get Blue Mage's skills and it doesn't operate as it's supposed to in dungeons.

As for balancing, we also have to consider how Blue Mage effects the other jobs at large. Let's also not forget we're still struggling to try and get something other than SMN in High-end Raid Content because we're still stuck around utility and Raid Buffs. If Blue Mage brought more than enough to the table to kick out SMN, we'd still be having Caster Wars.

We're going to have to sit on our butts and wait for BLU to be released in the next story patch in 4.5 til' then, and see how BLU plays out from a game perspective rather than theorycraft all day because we don't even know what skills and potencies there are.

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While the limitations on square's work is very clearly seen, it's a decision made to have a consistent experience up front. That being said the areas in which creativity is really allowed to flourish are areas they *have* excelled at. I think to say that BLU has to fit like older games is silly. The job fantasy is easily preserved so long as it's creative and interesting about it. RDM seems to be the perfect example of bending a job's usual talents into a fun and fresh take that appeals to fans of RDM and new players.

As for balancing, every single job is viable and can be brought in high-end raid content. World firsts obviously go for maximum efficiency but that isn't exactly poor design or balance, that's simply how games work. No matter how well balanced the jobs are, a single tiny sliver of an edge means you get taken over any other jobs. As they are now, truth be told, they're all viable and taken. It's not unreasonable to assume that any job added would maybe have a few rough patches but overall easy to bring and use in content. It's strange to tell people 'we have to wait and see' and also 'it'd be breaking the balance and starting caster wars". I feel it doesn't have to 'break' the mold of a caster, as it can be adapted fairly easily.

Telling people to be quiet and wait is also just not something I agree with. If they have an opinion about information presented let them say it, at worst it's a slight annoyance to block someone out of your head, and at best they have a genuinely good point that might catch some traction and thus- a positive change to the game is put forth!
Also declaring something someone says as just rabble is just rude.

https://massivelyop.com/2018/11/22/w...ont-like-that/

May want to try and give this a read it actually makes a lot of sense. Whether you agree with it or not.. it’s interesting