White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

As an old 1.0 player, who decided to retire that character and just make a new one with friends, I'm glad to see it returning. And people get access to it. I'm not looking for people who have an earring. I barely check peoples gear unless it's related to the content such as endgame or raiding and possible reasons they're dying often (undergeared). Otherwise, the only memories I care about is the story accomplishments we had, the primals we fought and the White Raven we took out. Everything else doesn't give me any reason to want to remember about 1.0 as a whole. It's the past, and rather leave it there in the past. I don't need to dig up old awful memories about 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Rocond

I don't know man. It doesn't have to be unavailable to hand them out. I don't believe they will keep that fight synched forever. I absolutely think at some point, maybe years, they will make it unsynchable. Maybe i'm wrong. Only time will tell.

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Honestly they will have to unsync it or potentially have to go back and adjust the fight depending on new jobs or if some jobs is not viable anymore 70 due to job adjustments

Just seem like a waste of effort for content that will be basically dead.

1.0 player here, I won the White Ravens, 6 years ago, crazy difficult fight with verticality, and since then I'm wearing them all the time on all classes, for several reasons.

I like them, I can see why some people today who never got a chance to win them, want to acquire them.

And the White Ravens still represent one of my greatest achievement in XIV, and this comes from someone who beat both Ultimate, ranked in Feast Top100, blablabla... My point is, this Rivenroad (Hard) fight, while you can't really compare 1.0 and 2.0+, in terms of achieving something difficult, it's close enough.
Because it was just available for a couple of month before the definitive shut down of the servers.
We were told back then by the development team to hurry up and get as much training as needed to beat this fight, because this was the only chance to get its rewards.

I met some of my best in-game friends because of those silly earrings, there's always someone around to comment about them, and this always starts a long conversation full of memories, and like Humphrey Bogart would say in Casablanca, it's always the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

I can understand that they are giving away for this Rising the Manderville earrings, okay, the so called exclusivity last long enough, those were just a reward for a quest.
But, for the White Ravens, this is different, those were the rewards of the second hardest fight of 1.23. This isn't an ordinary "exclusive" item.

I understand both parties, but either the dev team should take this occasion to make it a new reward for something that would make sense story and difficulty wise, like a milestone reward for beating Nael in UCoB, which would put more incentive to this fight (something this game lacks a lot), or make it a replica.

This could be a no issue for both parties, if the name was changed to a replica, because outside of these, there's barely anything left to tell if someone beat that fight. There's no title. No achievement. Only the White Ravens. Lots of people play this game for competition, medals and trophies, and they don't like when somehow what they achieve is "deleted".

Back to that summer of 2012, full sets of Darklight were super hard to get, 1.23 Relics were insanely hard to make because you had to beat the hardest fights, and White Ravens were pretty hard to win. When they launched 2.0, they gave away immediately practically for free Darklight, and 1.23 relics.
As an excuse, they said they weren't gonna give away the very last end-game trophy left, the White Ravens, they changed its stats though, to make them totally obsolete, and it became the only remaining end-game trophy of the 1.0 era.

Make them a replica, and everyone will be happy, it's rare to have a solution that can please everyone, so when there is one, there's no reason not picking it.

I also want to thank Niqote and Canadane, as it takes some courage to create a topic like this or support it.

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Originally Posted by Amiral_Benson

as it takes some courage to create a topic like this or support it.

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Indeed, so brave.

As a 2.0 launch player I couldn't care less about these earrings. I'm more disappointed that we're getting these instead of something cooler.

The Rising event usually never has cool rewards, aside from minions and orchestrion rolls. Last year we got two minions, two rolls, the dyed bladder of an animal to dazzle players and a meteor-sparkler. The year before that it was two minions, a pillar and a banner.

Trivializing the value of something promised as a reward for effort put into the hardest content of 1.0 just so it can be given away for free now and sold for $5 next year is poor form on the devs who have already been burning through all their good will with how NA fanfest was handled, how Pagos was implemented, and how stunningly bad the companion app microtransactions are.

I own the earrings. I wore them and glamoured them for every day since I got them until I learned they were going to be given away. I stopped using them as their meaning has been nullified. Used to be I could run into another person who wore them and just /fistbump and have a laugh, or on the rare occasion get asked about them and reminisce on 1.0. I'll get over it, I largely already have after learning about this a few months ago. But it does point to how creatively bankrupt and underfunded the development team is if they couldn't be bothered to create 1 new rising themed asset for this year.

At best its a spit in the face to loyal 1.0 fans and a pushing of old assets onto new players who didn't ask for them so they could be sold on mogstation later. As many defenders have stated in this thread, nobody knew about them before this announcement, and nobody will care about them after the event has come and gone. The devs would have been better off not adding the earring rewards at all and nobody would have been any the wiser.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

"I played a game that nearly destroyed its developer and not only do I now save money on my continuing to play the relaunch, but I have this item that literally no one cared about it until now and I'm angry. Please validate me."

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I laughed at this harder than I should. XD I'm a Legacy player and I don't care that the earrings are being made accessible to everyone now.

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Originally Posted by Amiral_Benson

Make them a replica, and everyone will be happy, it's rare to have a solution that can please everyone, so when there is one, there's no reason not picking it.

I also want to thank Niqote and Canadane, as it takes some courage to create a topic like this or support it.

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Indeed, this easily could have been a non issue, and yet here we still are.

The issue here is Entitlement.


Only entitled players will complain about old rewards being added to new events. It doesn't take away from how you personally obtained them!

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

The issue here is Entitlement.


Only entitled players will complain about old rewards being added to new events. It doesn't take away from how you personally obtained them!

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Relic and B.I.S weapons.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

The issue here is Entitlement.


Only entitled players will complain about old rewards being added to new events. It doesn't take away from how you personally obtained them!

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Except it takes away that mark of being one of the few peoples who CAN display that because they earned it at that limited time. It's not like it's an event mogstation item that anyone could have gotten by simply logging in and following a few chatty questlines, you had to defeat the hardest battle in 1.0.

I'm not even a 1.0 player and I can see why this would leave 1.0 vets miffed.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

The lodestone has announced the new Rising event.

I want to express my fervent disappointment in the decision to bring a Trophy item like this back and just hand it out like it means nothing.
This item is a direct symbol of the games origins but most of all, to those of us who earned it through battle.. well its a message that nothing in this game is worth anything.

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That's funny because I'll store this item and forget about it. It's nothing I'll ever use. Are you somehow insulted over that? strange.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

The issue here is Entitlement.


Only entitled players will complain about old rewards being added to new events. It doesn't take away from how you personally obtained them!

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This seems backwards to me. SE made the decision to let certain items carry over from 1.0. Mementos from another game and a special treat to those who spent their time and money playing it. Now we have a playerbase who is wanting these special items released to the general public, and when people take a stance against it, they get called snowflakes or entitled. Who exactly are the entitled ones?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

This seems backwards to me. SE made the decision to let certain items carry over from 1.0. Mementos from another game and a special treat to those who spent their time and money playing it. Now we have a playerbase who is wanting these special items released to the general public, and when people take a stance against it, they get called snowflakes or entitled. Who exactly are the entitled ones?

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That would still be the ones that want it exclusively for themselves. People made a request. SE answered. They didn't even put it on Mog Station.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

That's funny because I'll store this item and forget about it. It's nothing I'll ever use. Are you somehow insulted over that? strange.

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it was his great special price for beating the hardest boss in 1.0.

and now everyone will get it basically for free, and the earrings will lose all value as a trophy.

and for what? that people will throw it like some trash into the armoire and forget about them? great reason to take away his trophy...

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

That would still be the ones that want it exclusively for themselves. People made a request. SE answered. They didn't even put it on Mog Station.

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ARR players don't deserve anything from 1.0, and yet they are constantly trying to appeal SE to release them. People who have never touched foot in 1.0 but still feel that they deserve to have these items suffer from entitlement issues.

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Originally Posted by Tint

it was his great special price for beating the hardest boss in 1.0.

and now everyone will get it basically for free, and the earrings will lose all value as a trophy.

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The only value the earrings had before was as a memento. That value will be the same afterward.
Value as a trophy was none and zero before, since nobody else cared about what had been done to get the earrings.

Same thing for all other item rewards in the game - they will impress nobody else, and have zero value as trophies.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

ARR players don't deserve anything from 1.0, and yet they are constantly trying to appeal SE to release them. People who have never touched foot in 1.0 but still feel that they deserve to have these items suffer from entitlement issues.

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That's a request, which is different from feeling entitled. Feeling other people should not be allowed to have them is some capacity, whether earned, bought, or handed out like candy, is entitlement.

Edit: They aren't trophies, but you can use your stories to inform people on what 1.X was like, including that fight. People don't respect someone with the "This is my trophy" mentality for playing a video game at an earlier point. Who are you trying to impress? Tell your story to anyone that wants to hear it. You'll be glad you did. It'll bring back memories.

oh my.... you know this game could end without people who came after ARR ? or dont you see that ? i understand it can feel pretty bad , but dont act that you are so special and nobody can deserve it

It seems like a lot of players from the days of 1.0 have an awfully inflated opinion of themselves. Let's not forget that the original game crashed and burned. It did have some redeeming qualities but ultimately it isn't that impressive for someone to have secured digital items five years ago in a game that had to be shut down and rebuilt.

So wait, let me get this straight. Because its from 1.0, and was a reward for clearing the hardest boss of the game, people think 1.0 players are "entitled" for asking that it not be an event reward?

So, if I asked for the very first World Cup trophy, or Olympic gold medal, that should be ok, because it was a long time ago, right?

Or your yearly performance bonus.

I love the animosity towards legacy players over this.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It seems like a lot of players from the days of 1.0 have an awfully inflated opinion of themselves. Let's not forget that the original game crashed and burned. It did have some redeeming qualities but ultimately it isn't that impressive for someone to have secured digital items five years ago in a game that had to be shut down and rebuilt.

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And yet, they are being attacked for no reason. This wasn't an event item, no one cares about those. Can I have a free ultimate weapon instead? Cuz no one does that anymore, its worthless.


And for the record, I don't have the earrings, so I have no attachment to them.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I love the animosity towards legacy players over this.

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People are just jealous someone has something they can't get, so they would rather see it handed to them for nothing rather than have it remain a status symbol, because that makes them feel bad.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

People are just jealous someone has something they can't get, so they would rather see it handed to them for nothing rather than have it remain a status symbol, because that makes them feel bad.

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What status though? Seriously. The people that speak out in such a way have has their status diminished. I'd be fine with making it a challenge to obtain the earrings, but playing a game at an earlier time is no indication of skill. However, it looks as though SE decided against that. That's their choice.

Share stories. Not insults. Not negativity. Don't throw away the opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

What status though? Seriously. The people that speak out in such a way have has their status diminished. I'd be fine with making it a challenge to obtain the earrings, but playing a game at an earlier time is no indication of skill. However, it looks as though SE decided against that. That's their choice.

Share stories. Not insults. Not negativity. Don't throw away the opportunity.

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It's basically like making the ultimate titles and weapons available in the next summer event.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

What status though? Seriously. The people that speak out in such a way have has their status diminished. I'd be fine with making it a challenge to obtain the earrings, but playing a game at an earlier time is no indication of skill. However, it looks as though SE decided against that. That's their choice.

Share stories. Not insults. Not negativity. Don't throw away the opportunity.

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It wasn't a freebie that all legacy players got though. You had to clear a pretty hard fight to get them.

My main issue with this is that they billed it as a limited time thing. So if the event just hands these out they pretty much went back on what they said.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

It wasn't a freebie that all legacy players got though. You had to clear a pretty hard fight to get them.

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I'm well aware, but who is to say that later players were not capable of such feats, because they subbed at a later time?

Really? You're going to diminish our efforts and trophies of a bygone era that we worked so hard to obtain by giving them out as rewards? That diminishes entirely, the effort we went through to clear Nael deus Darnus HM and takes away the accomplishment and achievement of clearing what was the hardest fight in 1.0. Shame on you SE. I have worn those proudly as a show of my support I had for 1.0 as my earring glamour this entire time and I've never stopped playing, and now you're going to trash that. Have you guys forgotten this? How can I proudly wear these as glamour if you're just going to give them out as event rewards willy nilly? That's just crapping all over something that was 1.0 exclusive, and should remain 1.0 exclusive. How can ppl be impressed by them if they're just event item rewards now? I worked so hard to get that fight cleared and now you've dumped all over that accomplishment. GJ, SE. I am very upset now. This is worse than Goobbues for the Sylphs.
It's not a sense of entitlement, it's a trophy for those of us who got that fight cleared in that era, and items from achieving things in those days should stay there.

Those earrings were from accomplishing the hardest fight in 1.0 and completing the final Hildebrand quest of 1.0 and should remain so. Don't trash us 1.0ers after all the support we gave you buy dumping all over our accomplishments of that time.
Why not dump on us further by handing out the Dalamud Horn so that ppl who never did the quest in 1.0 can have that too?

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

I'm well aware, but who is to say that later players were not capable of such feats, because they subbed at a later time?

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That's not the point tho. They didn't complete the fights. Why should they have the reward for clearing them?

Again, can I have a free Bahamut Ultimate weapon now, since the fight is outdated, and how skilled a player was when it was relevant doesn't matter now.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

I'm well aware, but who is to say that later players were not capable of such feats, because they subbed at a later time?

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No, they wouldn't be able to because it was billed as a limited time event which they themselves said. So yes, if they said it was going to be limited and then change their mind later I can see how people would be annoyed. Anyways, I'm withholding judgment in case there is some kind of gimmick in the event.

I don't have the earrings btw.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

No, they wouldn't be able to because it was billed as a limited time event which they themselves said. So yes, if they said it was going to be limited and then change their mind later I can see how people would be annoyed.

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You didn't answer the question I asked. Let's put feelings aside. Do you believe that if the Nael content from 1.x came out today and even was regulated to the classes and abilities of the time, that only the same 1.x characters would clear it?

You can go into ultimate right now and get the title and weapons but you can't with 1.0 because it's long dead and we aren't playing that game anymore. 5 year anniversary not the 8.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

You didn't answer the question I asked. Let's put feelings aside. Do you believe that if the Nael content from 1.x came out today and even was regulated to the classes and abilities of the time, that only the same 1.x characters would clear it?

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Strawman. That has nothing to do with anything? They said it was a limited event which is my main issue with it. People are too focused on "they are just earrings" but are missing the point. They are giving out what are supposed to have been limited items.

If they remastered the fight, and didn't say during 1.x that it was a one time thing we wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

If the item text reads "REPLICA" then would that be okay?

The design is cool and I've wanted it ever since I joined in 2.1. But I wouldn't want to take away the achievement for those who earned it... it would be like making the exact UwU weapons available from the Achievement Point vendor five years from now. Yeah there probably aren't enough people left from that time to worry about the PR/sub loss by angering them, but shouldn't you try to do right by your most dedicated fans when you have the opportunity?

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Originally Posted by JamiaHaab

You can go into ultimate right now and get the title and weapons but you can't with 1.0 because it's long dead and we aren't playing that game anymore. 5 year anniversary not the 8.

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Let’s not kid ourselves, this is going to be in an easily beatable fate, and even if it isn’t (unlikely), they didn’t take any consideration that some of those people with their names in the credits might be still playing?

I mean, really?

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

If the item text reads "REPLICA" then would that be okay?

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Nope. We don't accept loopholes here.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Nope. We don't accept loopholes here.

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Actually, a replica would be fine imo. its the item itself thats the problem. Same with the goobbue mount. The one you were able to get in 1.0 is different than the current one, so its not a problem.

I also didnt have a problem with the crafted relic skins, as the look slightly different.

The issue here isn't that an item from 1.0 is available, its that the item for beating basically the ultimate mode of the final boss of 1.0 is being given away for an easy event.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Item name and item text are not the same things.

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I mean in the sense that if they made a replica of the white ravens, were called "Replica White Ravens", and had a slightly different color scheme, it would be fine.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Actually, replica would be fine imo. its the item itself thats the problem. Same with the goobbue mount. The one you were able to get in 1.0 is different than the current on.

I also didnt have a problem with the crafted relic skins, as the look slightly different.

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Item name and item text are not the same things.

I am a legacy player and also a beta tester for 14; and iI think it's a good thing that they make some of the old items available now - Share the love.

Dalmud Horn & OG Gobbue mount on Mogstation soon!
Legacy Chocobo & Legacy Tattoo can't be far behind!
When everyone is super, no one is.