Why going back 10 years doing Korean Farming Content?

The issue is no one, especially ffxi players asked for what we got in this content.

Open world exp parties is as far as you can make a comparison of ffxi to this content. They took the absolute shallowest aspect of this and made it a mind numbingly boring experience. Button mashing without thought endlessly without break. No ffxi player was secretly begging for how this turned out.

You could easily make a more friendly version to exp parties (hell for actual exp) that isn’t this dumb.

I don’t expect perfection. I’ve been playing since 1.0 and am pretty patient with them trying to get things right, but this is garbage and an insult to ffxi players if this is what the development team thinks of us.

Today's old MMORPG player are asking for what they liked before. Nostalgia, real fact that "was better before"? dont know, and dont care!

People asked so, for FFXI.
Yoshida gave FFXI... FFXI leveling... spamming trash, again and again, in a party, to get a big chain kill to have big XP.

But is it really what people asked? Did they asked more a Dynamis-like thing? probably...

Eureka is a leveling content in max level. You need to finish your leveling to do it
You need to be max lvl to be allow to do a leveling content...

I would prefer Yoshida watch on high level content from FFXI...

I also would like to point out that the nightmare of finding a party is back again - shouting for an invite like in 2004!!!
I can't believe it XD

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I also would like to point out that the nightmare of finding a party is back again - shouting for an invite like in 2004!!!
I can't believe it XD

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Yeah, it is Nostalgia.
This is why old FF11 community tends to be more polite than other gaming community.
Your player/character reputation is very important in finding a party

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This argument is becoming stale now. Some people like it? So what? Some people also liked 1.0 which was an objectively bad game. It was so objectively bad it flopped and did a number on SE financially. But I guess we should ignore those facts because some people played and liked it?

And lets not ignore the fact that this is the third time something like this has happened. Diadem 1 and 2 were both widely considered failures in game design. And both saw massive and rapid drop off in player participation. And both saw people like yourself trying to complain about the complainers with the defense that "Some people like it".

This is a pattern and has precedence, so stop trying to hand wave the problem away. You like it? Good for you. But most people don't and are rightfully making noise to let it be known shallow content like this isn't acceptable anymore.

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Nice try I don't really like it though and in fact I was angry it was announced as it was, however while I can blame the devs I don't whitewash community responsabilities

Then request for FFXI.-like content was there but lo and behold it doesn't mesh well with the basic of FFXIV, well duh!

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Nice try I don't really like it though and in fact I was angry it was announced as it was, however while I can blame the devs I don't whitewash community responsabilities

Then request for FFXI.-like content was there but lo and behold it doesn't mesh well with the basic of FFXIV, well duh!

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The majority of people asking for FFXI-like content are asking for content that was like FFXI's endgame. Not for level 10 Valkurm Dunes parties.

Personally Idc what ppl ask of FFXI with this game, I'd rather have FFXIV content not FFXI one.
Also don't speak for others, there have been ppl asking FFXI that like eureka for what it is, that means you are not one voice just like the ppl asking for classic servers on wow do not speak as one

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The majority of people asking for FFXI-like content are asking for content that was like FFXI's endgame. Not for level 10 Valkurm Dunes parties.

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Seems you have to ELI5 to them so they get the message. More FFXI content is pretty vague imo.

I actually enjoy the old style level grinding gameplay that Eureka has brought us. I started playing mmo's when Everquest was new back in 1999. Also played about 6 years on FFXI.

During the level grind parties in both games I met some great people that I keep in touch with still today. You would grind in an area long enough to make friends.

Today with the instanced parties that last 40 minutes, friendships have no time to develop. Doing dailies for gear seems to be the norm now.

Eureka gives us a chance to hang out with the FC for the night and get to know the other members in person instead of only in chat. Use it as a fun time to interact with each other in person.

This game is so fast paced, pushing people through content at break-neck speeds, it leaves us wanting after only a few weeks once new content is released. Eureka gives us a chance to relax and enjoy the view and "stop and smell the roses".

Just the way I take it.:cool:

And there are alot of folks that feel the same way - they probably just dont post on the forums - so using the word we when stating ones opinions is misleading - as Remedi stated

My FC has been loving Eureka so far. 800 more crystals until my +2

The lootbox rewards suck though.

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More FFXI content is pretty vague imo.

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Worse than that, some people seem to muddle "content" with "basic combat system".

Whenever you imagine FFXI content, you have to imagine doing it with this game's combat system and jobs. You will be spamming your rotation without any skill chains, you won't need much in the way of CC, team dynamics aren't going to change much with different team compositions, which tank tanks is irrelevant, you won't have much downtime to chat because you will be mashing buttons whenever you're in combat and lolwhataremanabreaks and don't expect much in the way of situational gameplay either.

Once you discount all that, you can look at what is left of the experience. That's the most you can get if you're asking for FFXI style content here. And I sometimes feel people don't really want the content, they want the combat.

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Whenever you imagine FFXI content, you have to imagine doing it with this game's combat system and jobs. You will be spamming your rotation without any skill chains, you won't need much in the way of CC, team dynamics aren't going to change much with different team compositions, which tank tanks is irrelevant, you won't have much downtime to chat because you will be mashing buttons whenever you're in combat and lolwhataremanabreaks and don't expect much in the way of situational gameplay either.

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People (and for Eureka, devs) forget the main thing when you take anything from another game to put it in yours = adapt the feature/content to fit better with how the game is done... ...
FFXI was a good game for silly bashing, FFXIV is not a game for this (not because 2018 game or anything else... just the way the jobs work...)

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No they feel that they have to complain about every little thing. They're never satisfied. Maybe once they grow up and have their own families and have responsibilities they'll take a look at things differently and say "hey, this actually pretty nice"

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If anything, as a grown up with my own family I am looking at this and saying, "ain't nobody got time for that."

Aside from the occasional "Eureka is hot trash" post, I feel like the feedback has been about as constructive as it can be considering how disappointed people are.

I am of the opinion that feedback is important, particularly when it isn't all sunshine and rainbows.

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Says the person who probably cried when Trump won the election

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Oh...Ohhhh.

This sort of response explains a lot.

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- Dungeons are essentially aesthetic changes with little in ways of variation; offering absolutely no challenge so long as you have a pulse.
- Lackluster difficulty and single encounter boss fights in lieu of actual raids are the most common reasons provided.
- Perhaps due to FATEs being inspired zergfests with little to no mechanics

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Remove all the cast timers, AOE markers, target lines, hate tables and add friendly fire and you have a challenge that makes players work together. It'll make the MMO crowd go ballistic though.

They said I was condescending. I figured I'd show them me being condescending. The dev team can't get a break from the players. They're always complaining about something. It's to hard, to easy, not enough depth, recycled, etc. It's tiring to go to the boards and see all these posts of people just bitching about every little thing. Do players have a condition that stops them from appreciating things?

When I play new content, I look at more than this is the main objective, let's find the fastest way through it. I look at stage design, story, music, scenery, how believable the environment is, etc. I look at what it took to make the content. I realize how much work it took to get it there. I don't think that hard work like that should be beat down because it's not exactly what you wanted.

This isn't the 90's anymore. Things can be patched. I don't think that players should be so unappreciative of what this team does. They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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I don't think that players should be so unappreciative of what this team does. They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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If it was content of the quality I know that SE is capable of I'd have 0 issue with throwing extra money at it. Seriously. But they aren't really living up to their own standards.

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They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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They are charging us this for this "extra" content. And it's not extra content if they cut out content to deliver us repackaged Diadem for the third time. We're unappreciative of not getting our money's worth. The subscription fee is for a service. This is a disservice.

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They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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Do you not know what a subscription is for? You DO realize everyone pays Square-Enix at least 8 dollars a month to play this right? (Most 15)

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Do you not know what a subscription is for? You DO realize everyone pays Square-Enix at least 8 dollars a month to play this right? (Most 15)

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also the mogstation. extra services. and also the expansions are all things they charge us for

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They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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Well yes, yes they're charging us as Eureka is apart of StormBlood Expansion & thus part of $60 we paid fore said expansion & then our Subs on top of that for poor Servers & Cool items going to Mog Station.

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Because people asked for it?

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No one asked to change FFXIV's exp grind to mimic old FFXI or other MMORPG's exp style. If we did, they would need to reset everyone's job levels because it wouldn't be far that someone got max level in a day by old system to a new player that needs to do it in 5 months.

FFXIV can't have grinds like the old games because how fast content gets outdated and replaced. Eureka is a perfect example of that, as it was released as outdated content just to get glams... a very long grind to get glams.

People also did not want to wait 6+? months of delays for no content. All you are doing is AoE rushing down monsters and zering monsters, you could do this in any existing zone, heck hunts are a thing, they could of just have this done though the hunt system and save time everywhere.

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Says the person who probably cried when Trump won the election, anyway a change in gameplay methods isn't a bad thing. People wanted more out of relic, they got that. People wanted more FFXI-ish gameplay. They have that. It may not be perfect, but remember that this game is constantly being updated and refined. What may not be perfect now is highly likely to be patched in the near future.

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This was written by someone.... I need save it to my computer. Very.. . very.. stunned.. there is so much wrong in this post i can't even.. REALLY??? people get nothing out of these relics, its outdated content on release... wth... also this game play has nothing to do with FFXI.. NOTHING other then abyssea parties, did you play ffxi?

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They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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That's the funniest thing I've read today, apparently the $60 price tag to be allowed to access this content on top of the $15 monthly means we're getting content for free.

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That's the funniest thing I've read today, apparently the $60 price tag to be allowed to access this content on top of the $15 monthly means we're getting content for free.

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Dont you know that we are just paying our sub so that we can log in and nothing more /s..

I mean its the argument of some people here on the forum...that sub pays nothing more than our right to get online..

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Heck Eureka has truly now become an easy zerg fest..You only need to kill certain mobs on mass to spawn the NM thus everyone is just zerging the same mobs and then zerg down the NM and so on..funny how people went around and said that this has some depth or that we dont understand this system since its not some kind of zerg fest..yet its exactly that. Yes people will get their crystals faster but it does not make it less boring, especially since people also just zerg down the NM...I just hope that I get my mount fast and can ignore this content after that..gathering 1k items is more fun than this..

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Heck Eureka has truly now become an easy zerg fest..You only need to kill certain mobs on mass to spawn the NM thus everyone is just zerging the same mobs and then zerg down the NM and so on..funny how people went around and said that this has some depth or that we dont understand this system since its not some kind of zerg fest..yet its exactly that. Yes people will get their crystals faster but it does not make it less boring, especially since people also just zerg down the NM...I just hope that I get my mount fast and can ignore this content after that..gathering 1k items is more fun than this..

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Yes, now that the formula is revealed, it shows us, that there is nothing more. It's like the Diadem (doing lots of Fates to spawn a Boss Fate vs doing lots of (specific) monsters to spawn a boss monster).

What annoys me is that was it, no different approaches on the same goal. The first step of a relic is crystal farm and for that they created one instance, and filled it with monsters. Over a year development time to create a box with monsters in it and the formula is: kill monsters to spawn a bigger monster, that gives you stuff you want also you have nonstop killing monsters for build up your killstreak so there is no break for you to see how dull the concept is. They didn't even try to do something new :(

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I dont understand it, really i dont.
How does neverwinter online is able to deliver richer content (WITH DUBBING) in a free to play game, than multimilion dollar company that has over 12 mln players in the paid and sub based game with microtransactions in it? HOW?

Why does warframe is able to develop their game despite not being as popular and free to play so much better than SE with their own skycrapper?

Maybe WASTE less OUR money on next useless Final fantasy games and spend those resources into successful product we are playing right now, because none plays FF XV online, and i bet the giant part of budget gone into making that silly game.
Fixing a network code for our game would be a good step or changing game engine entirely.

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Tera Online even does some aspects better then FFXIV, i participated in both the technical test of it last year for PS4 and last week a beta.

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They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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I couldn't care less if it was free, but we PAID €59,99 for Stormblood and every month we must pay an additional €12,99.

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This isn't the 90's anymore. Things can be patched. I don't think that players should be so unappreciative of what this team does. They could charge us for all this extra content, but they don't.

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This is exactly the point, sweet cheeks.

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This isn't the 90s anymore.

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So we don't need these mediocre attempts at something anymore.

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Things can be patched.

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And we're asking for patches to improve this before its dead and Yoshi then says "Oh, maybe we should just remove it and add the rewards elsewhere".

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Because we are not doing that, Boris. We seem to appreciate the game more than they do because we told them in 2 previous instances to not do diadem and they did diadem, if they don't appreciate our opinion; after all it's whom the content is aimed at: "us", then we can and will be unappreciative of their efforts because they failed.

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Barring the sub fee, Mogstation says hi.

Regarding the NM things it has been pointed out that it's not the best route anyway to exp - grinding the mobs near the NM surely makes it spawn but the high number of players doing the mobs spawning the NM makes it difficult to chain and the rewards is at that point only the NM which is still around 30 mins of work or so.

also this amazing feature makes people entering to check up if a NM is up and then leaving it for another instance to see if the NM is up somewhere elese - which is surely is not what I would define sociable content.

the more we delve in it, the less i see the point for such badly made zerg fest.
all i want is to have lore and nice content
AAAAH

i'm sad :(

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Tera Online even does some aspects better then FFXIV, i participated in both the technical test of it last year for PS4 and last week a beta.

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The only thing worth of mention about Tera is its active combat system.
That game is 10 times boring on every aspects beside the over sexualized female characters.

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Regarding the NM things it has been pointed out that it's not the best route anyway to exp - grinding the mobs near the NM surely makes it spawn but the high number of players doing the mobs spawning the NM makes it difficult to chain and the rewards is at that point only the NM which is still around 30 mins of work or so.

also this amazing feature makes people entering to check up if a NM is up and then leaving it for another instance to see if the NM is up somewhere elese - which is surely is not what I would define sociable content.

the more we delve in it, the less i see the point for such badly made zerg fest.
all i want is to have lore and nice content
AAAAH

i'm sad :(

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The problem is that even if its not the best most optimal way to get exp (and someone will surely find an even better way after the next best way) its surely is the "best" way to get your relic. (And the boxes...with firework..) And even though you seemingly need to be lvl 20 to finish the relic its probably still faster to just zerg everything, get more Anemos crystal to exchange them to the other ones. Also being in a big group like that makes sure that you will not see the exp loss while being in a small group or even solo makes this an even greater risk.

Also some forget that lower levers help with the zerg too. As soon as we hit the higher levels, the trash monster took way longer to kill even with all the people there. Is it possible with smaller groups? Probably but only if you have its level or near it. And if you dont take part in the NM train you might just miss the spawn or see it a bit later and since a big amount of people are already there you might just miss out on it. (The instances I were in did not even wait on those that helped to spawn it even after we said that we would split to spawn both of them..as soon as one of it was there they attacked it and we barely made it.)

Its not the optimal way but probably still the better way to play it safe and this might just give people some time to take a small break..since otherwise this instance is just -kill,kill, kill-.

There is also barely time to talk with the way our fight system functions and if you get left behind, good luck on getting a rezz.

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Today's old MMORPG player are asking for what they liked before. Nostalgia, real fact that "was better before"? dont know, and dont care!

People asked so, for FFXI.
Yoshida gave FFXI... FFXI leveling... spamming trash, again and again, in a party, to get a big chain kill to have big XP.

But is it really what people asked? Did they asked more a Dynamis-like thing? probably...

Eureka is a leveling content in max level. You need to finish your leveling to do it
You need to be max lvl to be allow to do a leveling content...

I would prefer Yoshida watch on high level content from FFXI...

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The thing is, people asking for FFXI- like content failed to mention WHAT about the content they mean. I hear FFXI and I think mindless mob killing, requiring other people to do any kind of real farming, item pops from other mobs to fight other mobs. Oh wait, THAT SOUNDS LIKE EUREKA.

If you're going to ask for FFXI- like content, instead of saying the name of the content, explain what that content did that you liked. Even now, high level content from FFXI reminds me of Absolute Virtue and needing years to grind equipment to beat the thing (oh look, still grind requiring other people for long periods - STILL sounds like Eureka!).

IE: I like FFXIV dungeons. If I were to ask for this content in another game (like another future FF MMO, I'd say 4 player parties that are filled by what's lacking from an automatic party forming system (queue) that pulls players from a datacenter, not just the world. Once the players have all agreed they are ready within a set amount of time, they all get pulled in. Roughly dungeons take 15-30 minutes on most parties, but may take longer with worse players. In which case, they may disband and retry the queue system. Mechanics are usually simple enough that they can be done with relative ease and are ideal for repeat runs (for daily grinding, level grinding, equipment grinding, crafting mat acquisition, etc). It is content that is possible to clear with all levels of skill.

So please, please, for those of you that are FFXI players asking for "FFXI-like" things in FFXIV, ELABORATE, otherwise assumptions and things that stuck out to others (like reasons they didn't play the game) are all that come to the fore when that's all you say. If I were a developer, saying FFXI reminds me of just how even a single enemy at level was hard or downright impossible to solo and people spent most of their time grinding in parties in just about any content for that particular game, so I'd assume that is what is being asked.

Seriously, when I look for information about what you can do solo, this is what I turn up:

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There are still endgame activities and post story fights that will require teaming up but they are not nessesary and for a new player probably months down the line at least.

The main reason for this is that much of the base game and expansions featured fights that were restricted by level caps or the long time max level cap of 75. Now most of those level restrictions have been removed and the new max level is 99 making old content possible solo by leveling past the old level caps designed for parties.

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Summary: You can solo because they moved the level cap from 75 to 99, it's mostly only toward leveling and that is far faster in a group.

It's really hard to want for FFXI- like content when these are the first things you will encounter when even trying to look up what your options even are or were. Also, yes, I purposely looked up what I could do solo because I am a player who: 1) I am on the east coat of the USA and wake up roughly at 5PM and go to bed around 10AM or 11AM (so my hours are when it's the absolute deadest on the server); 2) get pulled away often, so I look for content I can just get up from at almost any time or has enough breaks where I can do this; 3) I can enjoy the game with my husband (who works third shift and I try to adhere to his schedule or I'd never see my spouse) - all of which imply having solo content, or content where I'm not obligated to be in a party for long amounts of time to get any sort of progress done, is something people like me can do.

I actually feel bad for Yoshida. He's probably trying to make everyone happy while knowing you can't make everyone happy.

TBH I brought up that point but ppl will easily tell you that they explained what they wanted, though I would that ppl countering this argument with what they wanted speak only for themselves which is not exactly a united voice, since some ppl that wanted FFXI things did wanted something like Eureka, because let's be frank the content in it is actually the social experiment that comes with it, which is also something that ppl found with FFXI since some actually wanted that sense of community back

To people saying Eureka is anything like XI:

It is not. Atleast not the good parts. This is compareable to low level grinding in the Dunes back in XI, where most classes were pretty much the same. The interesting part in XI was when, bit by bit, you discovered your role in a group. The grind was fun because you had a defined role and were impacting your group in a big way. You also had to work very closely together with your team mates. There is nothing of that in the XIV model. Tank tanks, healer heals each DPS is doing their optimal rotation. No skill chains that greatly increase damage and involve every party member, no THF to aggro manage, no buff/enfeeble juggeling no designated puller no managing mana no time to take breaks and chat. There was a companionship that build through this gameplay because you worked together, urging you to stick with a good group because seeing it run as a well oiled machine was just fun... you don't get this in XIV because the fundamental battle system is completely different.

Let me put it in another way. Imagine SE would introduce Sastasha normal as new, revolutionary content, and you have to run it for hours upon hours to get any gains. You XIV classes are restricted to lvl 18. This is how it feels if you compare Eureka to XI.

Eureka seems like someone described XI leveling in general terms and people cobbled something together. Poorly mind you, because -surprise surprise- simply running a train on NM is the best way to level up. And where does that bring us again? A wierd mix of fate and hunt farming.

The problem is that when ppl think about FFXI content they usually think the whole package, while they should think what the content really was without all the other parts that made it for FFXI.

Eureka is idd a piece of FFXI added to a very different game and that will show. You Have to expect that it won't be a faithful recreating because the core system is a different one. Expecting the same type of content is foolish at best.

Consider that when they relaunched FFXIV they pretty much said this is a fanservice game.

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TBH I brought up that point but ppl will easily tell you that they explained what they wanted, though I would that ppl countering this argument with what they wanted speak only for themselves which is not exactly a united voice, since some ppl that wanted FFXI things did wanted something like Eureka, because let's be frank the content in it is actually the social experiment that comes with it, which is also something that ppl found with FFXI since some actually wanted that sense of community back

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I know I saw people asking for FFXI- like content for months. Some added dungeon/content names, but not anything that it meant for that content, hence my post. It'd be me going to a future FF MMO and asking for Coil of Bahamut. Okay, but what the heck did Coil of Bahamut do that is worth bringing into the game? It's a mystery to everyone but that person. However, I can only go off of the posts I saw. I'm sure there were some that did actually elaborate, but from the ones that I read, there was none.

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It really doesn't. I would MUCH rather go back and play EQ or WoW at launch over this content. While there was a 'grind', it wasn't mindless. It required effort and you got something out of it. You grew your character, advanced, made strides to be better than other players. There was a point to the 'grind' of an MMO back then. Now it's just to try and keep us patient until the next mindless garbage of content is released.

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The problem is that when ppl think about FFXI content they usually think the whole package, while they should think what the content really was without all the other parts that made it for FFXI.

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That's basically why video games developers fail to develop meaningful MMORPG and that the genre is dying : somehow they believe that putting/altering X or Y feature in the game while looking at them in a vacuum will make it for decent game design. Except in a MMORPG game features absolutely can't be separated from the bigger picture and broken down piece by piece. So while you may be right Eureka may look like FFXI to people who never played the game, it really isn't because the whole package (namely the relevant battle system that came with FFXI and the horizontal progression tied to gear) isn't in FFXIV.

I mean the fact alone that anyone can hit a monster at any given time (that wasn't the case in FFXI) in FFXIV drastically change how the content is played.

I just wanted DNC...

Having not played XI I can't compare. I see some people are enjoying the nostalgia while others feel it doesn't capture what they wanted this game to take from XI. However, I do know this feels like a step backwards to me and not in a good way.

Take a look at what WoW managed in 2013: Blizzard World of Warcraft News Timeless Isle
I played through this and while I did get bored eventually, that was after playing through on my main and several alts, completing the pet-battle tournament, getting all the catch up gear I'd ever need and completing an absolutely punishing grind to get the Golden Dragon Mount.

-Plenty of varied activities to do including questing, gathering, NM-type monsters, Raid-type bosses, pet battles
-Equally viable for solo or group play
-No level penalty when grouping
-Exploration encouraged and rewarded
-All mobs drop items
-Catch up gear dropped for new max levels and alts
-Lots of mounts, minions and toys to collect
-No death penalty (yeah, I know some of you love it, I'm not a fan)
-Longevity ensured "when the number of people visiting the island dwindles, you’ll still be able to bring new characters there and engage with everything it has to offer"

That was five years ago (a long time in the games industry). I was expecting Eureka to have at least some of those features. I'm really having trouble getting my head around how thin it feels.