Housing restrictions not fair for individuals.

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Originally Posted by Odstarva

Players that move are effectively changing nothing when it comes to room available. Their old plots will be open, so I really don't see the issue.

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The issue is how us homeless plebs will have to take whatever grade 5 small house is left since old owners relocated to the better spots without hassle :o That's not fair competition for personal housing. FC people getting free pass is great though.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

Actually, they can. Scaling servers out is easier today than it's ever been. I can literally log into a console, push some buttons, and 15 minutes later add a bunch of capacity to my pool. There's a cost to that, but remind me what we're paying for again?

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How are you more qualified to judge what the servers can and cant do than the actual people working with them?
I get that it might work on other games, but they were probably set up differently - I dont know to much about the technic-issues here, which actually leaves me little choice but to trust the devs. If you're saying "No, they're wrong on that!" you're basically saying they're lying - and I dont see why they should?

They tried something with the housing system, they had an idea in mind - and clearly that didnt work out aus they wanted to. Maybe one could have foreseen that, maybe one should have, but one didnt (honestly, sometimes I wonder if the japanes playerbase is as bad as the EU/NA one when it comes to this issue - or if it worked out for them...). Now we're stuck with this system that they're working on - slowly, but steadly.
Dont you believe the devs would like to have a better solution aswell?
Because if you do believe that you'd also have to believe that they just dont have the ressources for that - its not only time invested in that, if I recall correctly they also had issues with not having enough staff-members to begin with a while back.
And if you dont believe that... what do you believe then? That the devs created this shortage of housing for their own amusment? That Yoshi-P sat in his office at 4.1 release, with streams of different housing areas on the walls, giggeling over people trying to snatch houses?

The housing system is far from ideal, granted - but the solution isnt "Just open more wards!"
Because they cant. What might work elsewhere obviously doesnt work here.
...unless ofc the devs actually do want nothing but an angry playerbase, bad press and the housing-shortage. I doubt that. And thats why I dont doubt that "just opening more wards" doesnt work with their servers.

Cry me a river.

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Originally Posted by HoloKraft

they can create as much virtual space as they want to.

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They can't for housing because of how it was coded in the first place. In order to actually set that up they would need to rebuild the housing system altogether.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Cry me a river.

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You can do that yourself with Balmung staying locked.

FCs needed priority in purchasing because 90% of the Shirogane plots went to individuals.

I don't think you can refute this.

Individual housing was a mistake to begin with.
They could've done way better with appartments while leaving houses for FCs. All of that drama would've never happened.

I owned a medium house as private individual and i moved to a small one.
I like small house. I dont need more space with one guy. Anyways hue hue my small house looks awesome

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

I owned a medium house as private individual and i moved to a small one.
I like small house. I dont need more space with one guy. Anyways hue hue my small house looks awesome

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Small houses do have the better Gardens I will admit :p

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Eh, but me and my husband saved up 50mil together so we could get him a nice medium house in the mist, sadly these are getting snapped up really quickly.

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im on behemoth, and just Mist alone there are 22 Medium plots available accross all wards... I think you will be fine

While I wont deny that I benefited from Individuals not being able to purchase houses because it allowed me to move from a small to a medium. I don't think FCs should have been given priority housing or housing at all. FCs are basically just glorified linkshells and are not really "needed" for progressing in the game. The fact that anything is gated behind FCs is kinda ridiculous.

I dont think its unfair that FC's can purchase first since I am also the same opinion that a large or medium plot for 1 person is a huge waste instead of a FC with 30+ members.
The question is now how they will handle individual sales once they decide to open the restriction, cause thats where things will get nasty and people will salt once again in the forums about not getting a house cause idk which reason.
Let's wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

You can do that yourself with Balmung staying locked.

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Give it time.

This this thread really degenerated. No the housing issue is not right...yes they know how to fix it, but I'm not going into it. I saved my money up, after taking a long time to do it, realized that in this game its housing wars, I do not participate in that kind of thing, I am now going to never buy one. Keep your housing, I won't fight for one in a game. Thought it would be nice, but nope its worse than actually buying one irl. Let down? Yes. But it now frees up my time to do anything but this. This showed me how a lot of players on this game really look at each other and how badly they do treat each other when given the chance to, but its not been very fun lately. Its been a shabby morning reality check. One maybe I needed. The word HOPE is a two edged sword, it can be miserable or great. One word with two momentous possible outcomes.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

(honestly, sometimes I wonder if the japanes playerbase is as bad as the EU/NA one when it comes to this issue - or if it worked out for them...)

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Well, in JP, the highest populated realms have a population that's similar to NA/EU's lowest. They will have a LOT less housing issues in general because of that.

Personally, I see the main fault of the devs in putting private housing into the wards in the first place. That is the one mistake they have made that keeps breaking everything and I see the large amount of vacancies on even Balmung as proof of that.

This is the thing they need to fix. They need to provide a decent alternative to the ward system for private housing. And I doubt they can do that in a satisfactory way without setting up an entirely new system, i.e. instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I don't think FCs should have been given priority housing or housing at all. FCs are basically just glorified linkshells and are not really "needed" for progressing in the game. The fact that anything is gated behind FCs is kinda ridiculous.

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So, FC are not needed for anything, except for all the things they're needed for.

K.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, in JP, the highest populated realms have a population that's similar to NA/EU's lowest. They will have a LOT less housing issues in general because of that.
Personally, I see the main fault of the devs in putting private housing into the wards in the first place. That is the one mistake they have made that keeps breaking everything and I see the large amount of vacancies on even Balmung as proof of that.

This is the thing they need to fix. They need to provide a decent alternative to the ward system for private housing. And I doubt they can do that in a satisfactory way without setting up an entirely new system, i.e. instanced housing.

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I was more wondering about the attitude on those servers in regard to the whole housing system and the whole housing issue - I know they must have a shortage aswell, but was more curious if they're just crying as we do...

I feel thats only half of the fault - or only one of the mistakes. At first, when they opend the wards for personal houses aswell, it was still more or less fine - there were still open plots for FCs, if they wanted them etc.
What really went wrong is the inflation AND the price of plots going down instead of up - suddenly everyone could afford a house and everyone now felt like they should have one. At some point houses were supposed this real status-symbol. Having personal houses was fine, because to get even a small one, a single person had to put REAL effort into it. But yeah... lower costs and higher amount of gil in everyones pocket created the illusion that everyone was supposed to have a house...

I agree with that - and I do hope the rumors I've heard about them working on appartments that are having the layout of small, medium or even large houses, are true. That wouldnt solve the garden-issue (but maybe we could get furniture for that, aka: something you can have inside and still crossbreed), but would give everyone who wants to decorate the space to do so. Since we already have appartments and they'd "only" need expanding I could see them do that without tearing down the current system.
But as everything: That needs time - it sucks being asked to be patient, but I doubt theres much more one can do here.
I'm pretty sure neither Yoshi-P nor the devs are happy with this - but if its the best they can do right now... its the best they can do right now.

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Originally Posted by Ranulf

I'm looking at the Ward list and there are lots of personal housing that got purchased this time around both in the old and new wards.

I don't think there's gonna be anything available for the next release if this keeps up.

Edit: I'm stupid, apparently relocating was allowed for some reasoan? So much for this being FC only.

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Relocation means that the old plot is then available for purchase. Relocation shifts the current housing stock, it doesn't diminish the current housing stock. Disagree with allowing personal relocation if you want, just don't use houses disappearing as an excuse to.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

While I wont deny that I benefited from Individuals not being able to purchase houses because it allowed me to move from a small to a medium. I don't think FCs should have been given priority housing or housing at all. FCs are basically just glorified linkshells and are not really "needed" for progressing in the game. The fact that anything is gated behind FCs is kinda ridiculous.

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if they dont need them, then why is content locked behind FC housing. Explain please! If anything personal housing should have never happened and if it did.. not in FC wards.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well... there are still several plots open on Balmung actually. Mostly smalls, naturally, but I'm actually pretty amazed. If housing had stayed FC restricted all along, we might not even have needed this latest batch of wards.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Individual housing was a mistake to begin with.
They could've done way better with appartments while leaving houses for FCs. All of that drama would've never happened.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

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If anything personal housing should have never happened and if it did.. not in FC wards.

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Back when housing was first introduced, it was FC only.
They had stated that they were going to do personal housing that was different, and cheaper than FC housing.

That didn't happen.
They did the quick and easy implementation of just letting individual players purchase FC houses.

Had the apartments been implemented back then, we probably wouldn't be in quite this dire of a situation.
We probably would have even had better apartments, due to having years to iterate on them.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

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Personally, I see the main fault of the devs in putting private housing into the wards in the first place. That is the one mistake they have made that keeps breaking everything and I see the large amount of vacancies on even Balmung as proof of that.

This is the thing they need to fix. They need to provide a decent alternative to the ward system for private housing. And I doubt they can do that in a satisfactory way without setting up an entirely new system, i.e. instanced housing.

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I'm not sure they can 'fix' it at this point.
The apartments are supposed to be the alternative to wards for individual players.

And, they can't force that issue without permanently restricting individual players from purchasing FC houses.
And I get the feeling that doing that would really rile up the playerbase.
(Especially considering some of the comments in this thread about the temporary restrictions)


The devs backed themselves into a corner.
And I don't think they can get out of that corner without pissing some people off.

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Originally Posted by Odstarva

Nada. It's spelt Nada.

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Good for you, you know your abc's

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Well, I managed to relocate my house to a nicer plot, but sadly my husband (who doesn't own any houses, or have a FC) couldn't buy a house.

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And you don't share your house with your husband?

Why does your husband's needs trump an entire fc's? What's wrong with a married couple sharing a house?

If SE really wanted to fix the housing problem, they would get over this idiotic notion that housing should be a limited commodity.
THIS is what invites abuse, and makes SE have to dance around trying to address its "broken" system to prevent abuse, which only leads to new and more inventive means of abuse and everyone feeling like it's unfair.

Everyone who wants a house should be able to have one.
Conversely, if people have no interest in a house except for the free company perks, there should be no NEED for any individual to own a house.

It should be available for everyone who wants it.
It should not be required, because not everyone does want it.

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well... there are still several plots open on Balmung actually. Mostly smalls, naturally, but I'm actually pretty amazed. If housing had stayed FC restricted all along, we might not even have needed this latest batch of wards.

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There are still quite a lot of houses open even after hours so yes the "problem" is the indiviual housing and I will never understand why SE could not forsee this. I mean they could have kept the wards for FC only which we would have enough houses right now. And release instances housing for individuals. Have it a nice view and maybe the possibility of owning more than one instanced house and there would have never been such a huge problem..I really hope that they see that and maybe think about adding instanced housing or increasing the size of the apartments by a lot..

Its perfectly fair.... FC's should get the first shot at buying, as it servers more people and unlocks game systems exclusive to FCs.
Given the inactivity in my ward, I expect a fair number of demolitions as well.

This is like watching people rage about Guild Wars 2 WvW system, which is a huge problem to fix in its own right. There's no way everyone will be pleased. Being a super old returning player (when I first played I think housing either just came out or did not even exist), I was surprised to hear from a friend about how hard it was to get housing so was super excited about this upcoming patch.

I take it that half the people here think that the developers for SE are incredibly dumb or very sadistic, given that they did not "fix" such an "easy" issue? If you think they aren't that dumb (I mean realistically they can't actually be that dumb) then it's probably not simple for them to fix it?

FYI GW2 World Vs. World was shafted (at least for those who really frequented it) for about... 5 years now? I think it's been downhill since day 1 so........

Yeah and just to clarify, I do agree the housing situation seems pretty bad, regardless of how SE landed themselves into this situation!

Just wanted to point out it may be difficult (for some reason or another, I unfortunately study economics math and science so I don't know enough about IT) for people at SE to have resolved the issue due to a myriad of reasons we aren't privy to.

But yeah sucks for everyone who can't get their own housing :(

While I agree that its “unfair” I also agree that FCs should get first pick. What I dont like is how long the people that want personal houses have to wait to get a house like here on Balmung yeah theres a lot of small houses but if SE waits a week to see how the market is there wont be anything left for the people who like me have saved up for months for a personal house as it is Im camping a plot that I can just about afford but when personal opens? Either that plot will be owned by an FC or someone will beat me to it bc of my work schedual. Really hope I get the plot though.

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Originally Posted by KokoChibata

While I agree that its “unfair” I also agree that FCs should get first pick. What I dont like is how long the people that want personal houses have to wait to get a house like here on Balmung yeah theres a lot of small houses but if SE waits a week to see how the market is there wont be anything left for the people who like me have saved up for months for a personal house as it is Im camping a plot that I can just about afford but when personal opens? Either that plot will be owned by an FC or someone will beat me to it bc of my work schedual. Really hope I get the plot though.

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everyone on here has " saved up for months " so I wouldnt use that as an entitlement.

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Originally Posted by QueenSophie

everyone on here has " saved up for months " so I wouldnt use that as an entitlement.

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Not trying to use it as entitlement hell I have a medium house for my FC I just dont like waiting and considering most FCs (at least from what I see on blamung) dont want small houses and most of the mediums/larges are taken well yeah SE could have handled this a lil better for people who want a personal especially on larger servers like well Balmung.

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Originally Posted by Cinno

Need: Having access to basic functions and mechanics of a Free Company that are locked behind the housing system. Being able to be a competent and competive free company in a community where not having access to these basic functions makes you lesser of a free company, and therefore harder to grow and expand.

Want: Decorating a house.

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It is a game....they are ALL wants. Period.

First world problems friends....

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Originally Posted by Cinno

That statement makes no sense, all you're doing is prioritizing what you believe to be more important because being able to create and expand a free company isnt an essential thing to you.

Look, bottom line is, free companies actually impact gameplay, not just of the owner but of all the members. Having a house for a free company means that all of the members get access to many many mechanics that otherwise they wouldnt be able to use.

You not having access to it means you don't get to play house.

Enjoyment of multiple people by buying one house and giving their FC access to the things they need to grow > your singular enjoyment you would get from decorating one.

You can't put the need of the one over the needs of the many. That's being selfish. :P

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If majority of FC leaders gave access to facilities to all members i would be inclined to agree. Most do not though.

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Originally Posted by Petori

The issue is how us homeless plebs will have to take whatever grade 5 small house is left since old owners relocated to the better spots without hassle :o That's not fair competition for personal housing. FC people getting free pass is great though.

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Enough out of you pleb!

Probably in a week......you know when no houses are left =/

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Originally Posted by cafffine

Probably in a week......you know when no houses are left =/

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I mean, if people continue to ignore the smalls and mediums that are still sitting in the Mist, Goblet, and Lavender Beds, there may be a chance for people to get something. We’re on the same server and no one new has moved into Lavender Beds Ward 17’s subdivision since the patch went live. There’s still two mediums there and several smalls.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

No one cares about your selfishness, honey.

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Its not about selfishness & as far as your previous comment on if we dont want a small then we shouldnt have a personal house to begin with, thats just some bs, i like final fantasy but this isnt correct, EVERYONE should stand an equal chance at ANY plots, no fcs doesnt deserve priviledge more than single players, if you think that then thats you opinion, not mine. Blocking individuals (with improper grammar "indivuduals" is in no way fair and square at the moment for every houseless player that waited their times for a shot at more than a small, its not because you owned one "a small" that you deserve a medium & large more.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

Its not about selfishness & as far as your previous comment on if we dont want a small then we shouldnt have a personal house to begin with, thats just some bs, i like final fantasy but this isnt correct, EVERYONE should stand an equal chance at ANY plots, no fcs doesnt deserve priviledge more than single players, if you think that then thats you opinion, not mine. Blocking individuals (with improper grammar "indivuduals" is in no way fair and square at the moment for every houseless player that waited their times for a shot at more than a small, its not because you owned one "a small" that you deserve a medium & large more.

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Since the beginning, it is FC only. It is because most of ward are still empty. They decides to open it to personal housing, so you will need to get your fact straight. They did made mistake in 4.0 and now they are correcting it. The priority has always been FC > individuall

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Since the beginning, it is FC only. It is because most of ward are still empty. They decides to open it to personal housing, so you will need to get your fact straight. They did made mistake in 4.0 and now they are correcting it. The priority has always been FC > individuall

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Mistakes or not & you claiming its fc only doesnt change it, it moved beyond that to come back to this? & also no matter what I/we dont want that, locking housing to fc only is just lame for a Final Fantasy game. Without pointing fingers, the good ff name is looking bad at times nowaday. specially when you see screenshots of ppl hording whole wards like on ragnarok & what not.

As I see it, they just don't care about housing. This is a Japanese company. Have you been to Japan??? Mostly small dwellings shared by many. Problem is, we in the west and other places like space and choices :)

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Originally Posted by Besame

As I see it, they just don't care about housing. This is a Japanese company. Have you been to Japan??? Mostly small dwellings shared by many. Problem is, we in the west and other places like space and choices :)

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The Japanese boards are pretty upset about it too. No matter what culture, I think everyone would like to have a spot to call their own.