So with the lack of content post story whats everyone doing to stay busy?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

true nobody cares about your playstyle.. but the only person who matters should be you.

You aren't .. creating content though. It's there, but you are limiting yourself by narrowing your definition of content to "progression" style play.

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I do play several hours a day yess , but I also dont expect the game to fill every need I have and I dont think others do either. I have leveled jobs , currently after warrior ill only have, two healers , and three dps left. So Ive def been doing the same as everyone else , and tbh I could have all to 70 but again Im pacing myself. I will even farm verity gear when I have ninja and dragoon leveled just for pacing, but again leveling jobs is not content I dont understand how people can call this content. Content is 24 man, eruka, something different outside of the raids the raids with a lock and tomes.

Like bourne endeavor said they replicated hw exactly, if they keep going this route every new expansion will be exactly the same how long do you think that will carry people along when many are complaining now. I love this game but I have created things for me to do , the game hasnt provided much to do outside of leveling jobs/ raids/ and the two primals. Im not burnt out by any means , but If you read the forums its clear to see that many people are so and if you listen to podcat etc on this game you will hear many players expressing their issues with the same safe formula. All people are wanting is a bit more creativity , and wanting something extra outside of the couple of fights we have currently. And also I may add anyone who owns a house literally can not take a break from the game not that I would but you cant even take a month and twenty day break or you lose your house.

I am doing 5 dungeon roulettes to level all of my job classes and slowly get the 310 verity gear. The Ixal and Moogle crafting beast dailies are done in between to pass time while waiting for DPS queues. If that is not enough to pass time, then I also pick up the 1, 2, and 3 star Hunt Marks from either Kugane or Rhalgyr's Reach. Getting paid 1000 - 2000gil per target more than makes up for the teleport costs even though I did register both places as favorites to cut the 999 cost to 499.

In addition to FF14, I also have World of Warcraft to play as well. Slowly doing the old emissary dailies there to upgrade my legendaries to 970 ilvl and slowly getting all 2 - 4 weapon artifacts to rank 52 Concordance. It's a bit funny that another Warcraft friend is constantly solicited from his co-workers to play FF14 and he is also given an earful how he should pick Ninja, Red Mage, or Samurai for guaranteed DPS spots.

capping tomes first half of the week, then leveling more combat classes.

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Originally Posted by Tigore

I am doing 5 dungeon roulettes to level all of my job classes and slowly get the 310 verity gear. The Ixal and Moogle crafting beast dailies are done in between to pass time while waiting for DPS queues. If that is not enough to pass time, then I also pick up the 1, 2, and 3 star Hunt Marks from either Kugane or Rhalgyr's Reach. Getting paid 1000 - 2000gil per target more than makes up for the teleport costs even though I did register both places as favorites to cut the 999 cost to 499.

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While not quite as good EXP wise, you could also do the HW hunts. Use the excess Centurio Seals for either speed boost in HW areas, or grade VI materia to sell. And if you do it in the right map order, you can save a TON on teleport(I saved Kugane as my free teleport, then use my apartment/FC house/Gold Saucer for cheaper teleports). I usually only use 2-5 teleports total for the hunts(HW I use 4 - Teleport to Western then fly through to Forelands->Hinterlands, teleport to Azys->Churning->Sea; SB 2 teleports - Rhalgr's/Kugane then do a circuit so I am not backtracking too much)

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Content is 24 man, eruka, something different outside of the raids the raids with a lock and tomes.

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Again, that's your definition of content. Something to do for progression. And as I said, if that's the only thing you count? yeah.. not much else. I cannot argue that. I'll not repeat myself on what I consider "content" I'll just commiserate on the housing thing, there is that.. If you're one of the lucky ones to have a house you really can't take more than a month off if you want to keep that house. that is a shortcoming . Here's to hoping SE takes a good long look at the housing situation and revamps it hard.

Playing other games? I mean, I could do some runs to finish getting my SAM ilvl 310 gear, but I'm bored of the same formula every patch, so I won't really bother much on it, but if I do log in, is to do the daily Moogle quest and just run roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Conquistadork

Playing other games? I mean, I could do some runs to finish getting my SAM ilvl 310 gear, but I'm bored of the same formula every patch, so I won't really bother much on it, but if I do log in, is to do the daily Moogle quest and just run roulettes.

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while im not doing the same I woudl hope se would be a little bothered by people moving on so fast after a new expansion dropped and sayin how tired they are of the same ole same

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I gotta ask: WHY NOT!?!?!? new skills, new stories, new .. widget... thingies.. OK so that last one didn't work out too well for everyone but they're working on it! How is a rework of how All the jobs work and adding new mechanics to all of them NOT new content?

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Because it's a wash, really. Those same new skills and stories were added in Heavensward. Regardless, I wanted to compare content we're meant to repeat more than something we'll do once-- more only with alts. When it comes to the day to day play, Stormblood has a very "same-y" feel to it at times. I do want to reiterate that doesn't mean bad. I just appreciate people getting tired of the same formulas. For me, Stormblood will be defined by 4.1 and 4.2. If Eureka flops or the glamour history is just a past glamours menu sort of thing, I'll have far less faith in future improvements. On the other hand, if they offer exactly what many people want, I'll be optimistic.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

while im not doing the same I woudl hope se would be a little bothered by people moving on so fast after a new expansion dropped and sayin how tired they are of the same ole same

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Unfortunately, the game industry as a whole isn't known for it proactive stance. SE will wait until a large enough dip in subs scares them, just like EA, Activision, Ubisoft and all the rest.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

What content do we have more than in HW? We have the same kind of dungeons, trials and raids, we have the same kind of crafting and gathering content and on top of that we have one job less to level. So kinda curious what new content we got in SB? Also saying that dungeons are useless thus not true content because they have no gear but at the same time counting a added Aquapolis as new content is a bit strange. Really next to having a different background in Aquapolis what truly different content did we get in SB that HW did not have? (And like I wrote, lets not forget that we also have one job less too)

On topic: Well I barely play the game right now, since I have no interest in gearing my fighting job for nothing. I have no need for savage content and for the other instances the gear I have is more than enough. (And I dont feel like running these dungeons again and again) When I am on I mostly craft and gather but only because I can finally watch all my youtube videos that I still have open. I really hope that we get some interesting content in the next big patch, otherwise this will be going way to boring way too soon.

Mainly I am playing lots of other games.

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You may not agree but we do have 3 dungeons in the roulette, which Might not be much for you but it's a nice change and you can actually SB gear for materias withotu it beign an hassle, not to mention that running ala mhigo is not as boring as ARF was.
Also lakshmi was not invalidated by Susano like bismarck was.
In short yes we have more, more of the same maybe but it still more, also it is better
Feel free to disagree but this is how things are
Also we might have 1 less job but most of the existing jobs were remade so I can't really say that we got less

also pls take note that 3.3 introduced aquapolis not 3.0 so yes we got that as a more

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

while im not doing the same I woudl hope se would be a little bothered by people moving on so fast after a new expansion dropped and sayin how tired they are of the same ole same

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Well, I don't know about others, but for me, it actually took me awhile to finish SB compared to the general player base, since I went the long way and actually finished all the side quest on each map before moving on. Even with that, it doesn't take too long to finish SB, tbh.

SE is taking the safe route, since why change something if it's not broken? A lot of ppl seem to be fine with how they present the same endgame formula every patch, so I don't think they are too concerned. Even Yoshi-P said himself that the game isn't supposed to be played for prolonged periods of time, and while I like talking to my FC and playing with my SAM, I also have other games and rl obligations that I want to do too, so it's perfect for me that they take the time to bring new content. So I'm not in a rush for them to keep pumping content to the game as fast as they can.

I have tons of alts to level, screens to take, and housing decoration to do. However, for the past weeks I've been busy with other matters (RP and more RP), so I've been slow with all of that. Little by little!

Leveling alts and doing Hunts mostly, also doing Anima for glam since poetics got really easy to cap on

I have two games running on three monitors.
Main monitor is running FFXIV in df leveling a 7th job to 70 and capping at 320 gear.
Second monitor is running FFXI and doing content (since we only raid two days a week)
And third is S**t posting online and watching crunchyroll lol

Here's my current to do list:
-Lvl RDM to 70
-Get BiS gear for RDM, BRD, and NIN
-Practice more with the SB EX primals (maybe clear them?)
-Start lvling DoH (WVR, CUL) and DoL (BTN)

Slowly I'll get them done, but it's gonna take time because RL stuff comes first Xp

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

So what does everyone else do with their game time considering currently we only have , 2 primals and 8 raids for engame content.

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I'm guessing you already cleared O4S since those "8 raids" are so little content to keep you busy?

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Bismarck was useless and ARF had no gear on it ergo useless too, not to mention most ppl couldn't clear end-game for w/e reasons, so yes we got a bit more but what's important is that what we got is better based on feedback
the 2 primals were relevant to some extent (I know crafted gears made them obsolete but the point still stand)
MSQ dungeon has gear and a vanity item so it has worth
Aquapolis 2.0 (which is an improved version of the original by having a final boss imho)
you get materias from dungeon mobs and you can SB gear without it beign an hassle (maybe not for everyone but it's there)
The overall difficulty curve of the game is better
Personally I also think that no levelling dungeon feels an hassle compared to some HW ones and I especially like sirensong but that's my opinion.

TL : DR We got slightly more and better version of the content we got with HW

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The difficulty Curve of the game is getting garbage. Until O2S you don't need to know anything you can just blind stuff, and even O2S doesn't need that much knowledge. How can a trial bearing the title EXTREME can be made blind?
Materia isn't a content but more a revamp of what it was until here. They wanted it to be more of a gear personnalisation than a stat increase for rich people.
New Aquapolis has a new end boss, cool, still need to reach the end tho, which represent 1/64 chances to encounter this new content. Until then it's just Aquapolis with different decors and loot. Yay.
The only point where I agree is that they made both Primals and MSQ dungeon relevant. Tho until here MSQ dungeon wasn't in exp roulette and now it is, they finally realised it's worthless to make a dungeon just for story sake that nobody want to run after then. But as I said just above, both primals may be relevants, but they doesn't deserve the title of extreme. This extension is just like a gear fest for casuals so that they're happy and keep subbing for SE's money.

Could use some endgame that is not instanced and gets random people working together. Just, not everybody in the same zone at the same time causing lag.

Randomly assign an area each day (different for each person) where they can receive a reward, have them defeat specific targets there which can include certain fate enemies for faster progress. Once enough progress has been made by all players, it force spawns a big boss. Only the players who were assigned to that area that day will receive credit for it defeat (but others can help).

Reward can be something relevant to all players like aetherial gear (random stat) which may be crappy or may be good, encouraging a lot of repeating until luck delivers a good reward.

Finally leveling my gathering classes like I've been meaning to for years. Almost 70 Fisher and then Botany/Mining are next.

Also going to level my RDM, my Tank (still not sure PLD or DRK), and try to solo some of the earlier savage fights with my Sanurai for mounts.

Just down O3S last night \o/
And now the final curtain.

Quit the game, finish my ps4 and steam backlog, will come back in next expansion. \o/

Leveling my first healer class.

Being a S rank hunt addict.

Progressing through savage raids slowly (Only cleared OS3 yesterday after a certain prominent XIV content producer and some of his friends decided to carry my group with their crazy DPS).

leveling jobs to 70, then working on new tank mounts. (completely skipping savage)

Pexing other jobs but mostly playing other games or spend my evening Netflixing and chilling with the cats xD

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Originally Posted by Arutan

The difficulty Curve of the game is getting garbage. Until O2S you don't need to know anything you can just blind stuff, and even O2S doesn't need that much knowledge. How can a trial bearing the title EXTREME can be made blind?
Materia isn't a content but more a revamp of what it was until here. They wanted it to be more of a gear personnalisation than a stat increase for rich people.
New Aquapolis has a new end boss, cool, still need to reach the end tho, which represent 1/64 chances to encounter this new content. Until then it's just Aquapolis with different decors and loot. Yay.
The only point where I agree is that they made both Primals and MSQ dungeon relevant. Tho until here MSQ dungeon wasn't in exp roulette and now it is, they finally realised it's worthless to make a dungeon just for story sake that nobody want to run after then. But as I said just above, both primals may be relevants, but they doesn't deserve the title of extreme. This extension is just like a gear fest for casuals so that they're happy and keep subbing for SE's money.

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My point is a comparison on what was on HW release with SB release and you had a 2 dungeon roulette 2 primals and a normal/savage raid
aquapolis was introduced later, Spiritbonding and materia in general were dead till later and crafting was made obnoxious, we got 1 less jobs, but we got a revamp in the battle system, which honestly I'm not in the position to say how much it took to them to finilize, sure as hell it took 2 secs to us to complain about things though!
So yes with got a little more whatever you like it or not
Want to complain on cuts? How about the fact we are losing another dungeon for new content? I mean I can understand the reason yoshida gave that dungeons were a way to get tomestone and now we have many alternatives, but didn't we already lose a dungeon during HW?
Now I don't want to derail the thread anymore so that's it for this agrument I think I said enough on why I think we got a little more and better than HW release

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Originally Posted by KrenianKandos

The argument you're using right now, however, is flawed: Other than ARR which had a huge file to work with already, Heavensward was the same way. The first expansion release had experts to grind up to get tome gear, and then the .05 released the Alexander raid. Extreme Ravana/Bismark was also available, which Susano and Lakshmi are for SB.

In short: This is the same amount of content that was released in HW.

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And this is the problem for quite some people. We said that they might have still played it save with HW thus they did not do much new but SB is in a way HW with a new paint and after so many years people might get tired of doing the same things (in different paint). Thats why it would have been nice to have a completely new endgame content with the release of 4.0. Now people will have to wait for the big patch and hope that Eureka is good.

Also HW had lots of complaints too. Since barely anything was truly new and the devs took a break, was really bad for the game. People became really bored and if you can believe some posts, this decreased the sub number. So being just like HW is not really that good because HW was not received that well.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

You may not agree but we do have 3 dungeons in the roulette, which Might not be much for you but it's a nice change and you can actually SB gear for materias withotu it beign an hassle, not to mention that running ala mhigo is not as boring as ARF was.

also pls take note that 3.3 introduced aquapolis not 3.0 so yes we got that as a more

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Yes and with other patches we will have less dungeons in roulette. But just one dungeon more in SB is truly that nice? If they had introduced something like Palace of the death (but not the same with a new name) or even just Eureka we would have some truly new content. Aquapolis is still just old content with a new paint. Would you be fine if they went ahead and only introduced PotD 2-xxx or Aquapolis 3-xx in future patches/expansions?

I am leveling other jobs to 70. I just completed my 6th.

It is a bit slow now but once new relics come out that normally keeps me busy.

Same Time(~8 weeks) after HW Release i take a break from 3.0->4.0.
There was nothing to do for me.
Now in SB i get a new AF Set for every Job at 70.
Last Week i got my Goddess of Magic+BRD and now its time for Tank+Melee Jobs.
Glamour is content.^^

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Originally Posted by Cemil

Same Time(~8 weeks) after HW Release i take a break from 3.0->4.0.
There was nothing to do for me.

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ha trust me I know why Im doing relics and stufff and bought two new retainers, But you hit a note tho when people say glam is in game they really arent lying. Not really sure if that is a good or bad thing

This game has always had a lack of content if you are already finished on savage raiding.

Game is not designed to be played like older mmos. Why mid patches you notice ppl logging in about 1/3rd as much as they do at the beginning of patches.

This is by design and will not change. The game is designed for primarily casual/weekend gameplay. If you are someone who wants to work on non-progression content aka achievements, housing, glamour, titles, minions, mounts there is a ridiculous amount to do. If you are someone who wants to work on gear progression, guild progression, and/or static progression this game is extremely lacking in that respect. Unless they remove or drastically reduce vertical progression (Which they will not, this is a themepark) there will never be enough content. Problem is 4.0 negated the last expansion.....4.2 will negate 4.0 and 4.1... 4.4 will negate 4.2 and 4.3 and so on. So the lack of meaningful endgame content will always persist due to this game design

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Originally Posted by Remedi

cool another death to add to the many death of the game megathread

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Just wanted to say that I absolutely love your megathread!

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Originally Posted by Sicno

I'm guessing you already cleared O4S since those "8 raids" are so little content to keep you busy?

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I always find responses like these to be particularly irksome.

So let's say this person is raiding - they are in a relatively middling static, so they only run for about 6-9 hours a week. Whether they have or have not cleared O4S, there is still a hell of a lot of time outside of those few hours where you are going to be left wondering what to do.

Fun fact
The people complaining there's nothing to do are the same people who will be crying that they didn't level this or that class when updates start picking up, relics, other new content.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Just wanted to say that I absolutely love your megathread!

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wait it's not mine

7 more DoW/DoM jobs to Lv70
1 more DoH jobs to 60 then to 70 when new crafting beast tribe shows up
3 more DoL jobs to Lv50. then 60.

finishing Zodiac Weapon for PLD
finishing Anima Weapon for DRK then MNK/NIN/SMN/AST (already have PLD and the rest looks too ugly for me to bother)...

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Fun fact
The people complaining there's nothing to do are the same people who will be crying that they didn't level this or that class when updates start picking up, relics, other new content.

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But why are people still calling leveling jobs , content tho thats not content. Because what about those whom only want to be a tank for instance , so then should they level up the other jobs just because ? We dont have actual content outside of a few fights and treasure maps

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

But why are people still calling leveling jobs , content tho thats not content. Because what about those whom only want to be a tank for instance , so then should they level up the other jobs just because ? We dont have actual content outside of a few fights and treasure maps

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My guess is that there's very few people that only level 1 or 2 classes. And for those that only level that few there's always treasure maps, omega, rouletes, hunts, pvp, extreme trials, challenge log, etc

In my first replay here I did say that not having the relic early in the expansion was a mistake but that would be one of the main end game things to do with or instead of savage raiding. One of the things they really need to work on is rewarding more/different stuff but there's still plenty there. But plenty is subjective, you can disagree but I don't want people in 4.1 to curse themselves that they fell behind and wish they had finished leveling some classes or had gotten enough clusters/materia, made enough gil, farmed susano/lakshmi enough, did more hunts, etc when all the new stuff is there. I've seen it happen a lot.

You know who you are :p those with less than 2 million gil who will then curse the world they can't get the new shiny sophia weapons, enough materia, or new gear, or etc

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

But why are people still calling leveling jobs , content tho thats not content. Because what about those whom only want to be a tank for instance , so then should they level up the other jobs just because ? We dont have actual content outside of a few fights and treasure maps

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Content is available. Choosing NOT to do that content isn't a lack of content.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Content is available. Choosing NOT to do that content isn't a lack of content.

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This argument is not accurate.

Have you cleared all Coil 1-5 with all jobs at Min Item Level, have you soloed all bosses possible on RDM, have you earned 1million MGP...... Have you counted all the pebbles on the ground both in the Fringes and Northern Thanalan. These are Technically things you can do in game. But they are meaningless in terms of progression at all.

Sure there is content in FFXIV a ridiculous amount but most of it is pure fluff or completely negated with newer patches. What people argue about is meaningful content that progresses your character, which in that this game is sorely lacking.

Honestly this game has way too much content to do. Leveling all jobs, crafts and gathering I am not even close to getting 70 on those. So many roulette to do each day. Glamor, minions and pets to get as well. Feels like I barely have time to play any other games that aren't FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

This argument is not accurate.

Have you cleared all Coil 1-5 with all jobs at Min Item Level, have you soloed all bosses possible on RDM, have you earned 1million MGP...... Have you counted all the pebbles on the ground both in the Fringes and Northern Thanalan. These are Technically things you can do in game. But they are meaningless in terms of progression at all.

Sure there is content in FFXIV a ridiculous amount but most of it is pure fluff or completely negated with newer patches. What people argue about is meaningful content that progresses your character, which in that this game is sorely lacking.

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barring your hyperbolic examples, there IS lots of developer created content that this individual has likely not touched. I'm not arguing , I'm pointing out facts: LACK of content isn't the problem, lack of content this person wants to DO is. " in terms of progression at all." is a lot of peoples problem when they lament a lack of content.
I am trying to point out that when you say "this game has no content" it sounds ridiculous for the amount of actual things there ARE to do in the game. If you said: "This game lacks endgame progression content." then yes. Currently it does. But it likely always will since people consume far faster than the devs an produce.