Scholar Fixes

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Originally Posted by RajaVamberaux

Succor + ET Succor + Indom is 850 potency plus 150 potency shields. Tell me any single-healer content in the game that requires that much healing in two GCDs. In fact, very few 8-party instances even require this much healing, and in those cases you have TWO healers. "Spamming AoE heals" is not so much of a quality trait for healers to have in this game.

We are discussing the tactical capacity of a job in an online public forum - you have to bring some credibility otherwise your positions might be questioned. This isn't a holier-than-thou attitude, it's a legitimate technique for gauging others' opinions, and I use the public information available. You're referring to numbers in Creator, which is fine, and they were okay. But that is not the game we are playing now. Ruin II was garbage in HW compared to Broil and now with Broil II it's just below the surface of pond scum. Rawrz's suggestion to lowering the cast time is interesting but I just don't think it's something the devs are willing to do and I'm trying to be realistic.

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You are bringing my "credibility" into question when I, at no point, claimed to be a perfect Scholar here. Yes, you are bringing your "holier than thou" attitude into this for no reason other than to discredit me without providing a true counter outside of those numbers. Earlier you said that Indom is not Medica, yet you're using it in your healing calculations and making the assumption that we have the Aetherflow, Emergency Tactics, and the abilities off cooldown to use them. Sometimes, things go south, and you can't follow your gameplan. Yes, this is unlikely to happen in Farm parties, but, even then, things can go bad. In those cases, you need the Aetherflow to save people and the run. SCH does not have the flexibility the other two healers do if things go wrong, and that's the problem here. Why take the chance on SCH when WHM and AST are far more reliable and can do pretty much the same thing with less effort? Sure, party DPS might suffer slightly, but at least no one will die, which makes party dps even worse.

So, as I have played SCH through the new content and most of the old content I must say it's still fun to play and now that im in higher iLvL gear I find I have more time to DPS. In terms of single target there was a run in Lakshmi where I pulled 1200 DPS which felt pretty good. That being said their are still problems.

Succor costs to much for what it provides. It should either be given a flat shield percentage increase like AST (150-200% preferably 200% which would put it right above Noct AST Aspected Helios shield potency) or bring the crit from Adlo over to it.

Adloquium could use a small potency buff of 50-100, or a base shield potency. At 300 default potency for a 300 potency shield vs asts 200 potency 250% shield you are looking at a 500 potency shield vs a 300 potency one. Bringing the heal potency up 100 would put the shield at 400 potency (keep default shield potency below ast due to crit multiplier, but a higher default heal) or a 200% modifier would put the shields themselves right above ASTs without changing heal amounts (My preferred way to go about it). Remember ASTs is still a cheaper instant cast which to me at least is more valuable than a crit chance. I even feel the shield potency for both should be 200%

The above two decisions are based on potency cost and usability vs ast shields and I feel wouldn't detract much if anything from ASTs identity. Given the MP costs of both I dont feel this would be a stretch either if unchanged.

Fey Union should have a longer/smarter leash. Roughly a slightly weaker Physick every 3s which isnt too far off what you can already do, this simply saves the mp and gcd for a total time of 30s at 100 gauge which is accumulated 30 per minute in exchange for more free time to run around and use other heals/abilities or dodge mechanics. Fairy is clunky enough, so I would like to use fairy abilities while this tether is connected.

Sacred soil should just be a 60-90s CD for a 20-25% damage reduction (bring its time active down to 10 seconds) or remove the cost of Aetherflow, and Get rid of the succor proc. I based the CD on Divine Benison being a instant cast barrier at 15% on a 30s cd, locked behind a Lilly which is essentially a 1200 mp cost from cure II. For a 15% increase in reduction over divine and a aoe effect doubled CD time and an effective mp cost of 1300 due to energy drain it doesn't seem out of the question although 10% might be more acceptable.

Dissipation should affect healing abilities too or get rid of the healing buff. Let it keep the fairy out while granting the AF stacks. In exchange for the healing buff something like increased fairy gauge returns on AF abilities, removing AF abilities from CD, or free AF ability usage for like 10 seconds would be great. If it must get rid of the fairy, make the healing buff affect healing abilities, make AF abilities affect the fairy gauge and offer a free instant cast of whichever fairy following the end of Dissipation or even summoning a fairy during its window which would cancel its effects.
My Ideal Dissipation would remove the fairy, grant a healing bonus to AF abilities while providing a means to use them with a CD refresh. When close to being over a free fairy summon procs that when used removes the effect of Dissipation.

Excogition should go off when expired, or make it a non AF ability. I even have a macro that lets other healers/tank know that they have the effect and you know what they do? Clemency/heal anyways if it doesn't go off.
In reality I would rather have a 600 potency shield (not heal) that I could either deploy or insta cast for a tank buster. At least then it gets used regardless and all the extra healing in the world wont change that; keeping the AF cost.

Chain Strategem should be increased to 20s

Quickened Aetherflow, depending on if Succor gets the crit chance it should instead be a way to increase reliability of crit procs on adlo and succor. Maybe 5-10% increase for those two abilities OR should be a new Aetherdam, 2 AF stacks would be amazing but 1 would do.

Fey Wind should be brought up to 5-10%
and Silent Dusk should be the Miasma II replacement or a weakened version of original virus/disable

Therese are the changes I would love to see

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Originally Posted by RajaVamberaux

A damage reduction buff is a damage buff to an ability that is already off GCD and free. If you want more potency with it, use Rouse on cooldown.

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Um no I think this is what they call "utility" also I think I may have worded it poorly?

Reduce damage taken to the person that just had embrace casted on them so the sch can have a easyer time healing in big pulls or make it so embrace gives the person she just casted embrace on a healing recieve increase buff. Also the buff only last 2-5 but can be refreshed by embrace

To me sounds like you thought I wanted eos to target the boss and reduce his damage

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Originally Posted by RajaVamberaux

Seriously, it's garbage like this that makes it clear that some of you are really bad at this game. If you think Scholar's instant-AoE at 30s has a long cooldown, I invite you to look at WHM's Assize and AST's Earthly Star (with it's ten-second windup) and then readjust your perspective.

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I suggest you get your shit straight before calling someone's post garbage. Your biggest error is comparing offensive CDs with restorative CDs. You're comparing apples to oranges. Despite that assize and earthly star have restorative ability, they are favored for their damage. Don't come here calling me a bad player when you've got next to nothing to base it off of, and then have the audacity to say a shift in perspective is needed. You might want to look in the mirror.

Earthly Star is much better used on it's healing potency then mindlessly pressing it for the DPS, it's real damage potency is even somewhere around 140 potency if I remember right. Edit: It seems they fixed this with 4.01, did some new testing and it's getting the proper damage/potency. I still stand by my point, that it's probably better to use it for healing, as its huge heal will save you more time/GCDs you can spend on Malefic 3.
Assize is a bit of a trade off, but the fact that it's restoring MP is probably more important than DPS to use it as soon as it's up again.

Also, I would much rather listen to the opinion of a SCH, that actually did content (at a high skill level) and has more proof of it then just saying they do (lodestone profile, fflogs).

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I suggest you get your shit straight before calling someone's post garbage. Your biggest error is comparing offensive CDs with restorative CDs. You're comparing apples to oranges. Despite that assize and earthly star have restorative ability, they are favored for their damage. Don't come here calling me a bad player when you've got next to nothing to base it off of, and then have the audacity to say a shift in perspective is needed. You might want to look in the mirror.

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You are both wrong about different things, there is 0 reason for indom to have a shorter cooldown with the current content in the game.

They are wrong about ruin 2 as it's use is dictated by how far you need to move and if you can weave ed with it. Not casting it at all during anything more than minor small movement is a dps loss

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Originally Posted by Deox

You are both wrong about different things, there is 0 reason for indom to have a shorter cooldown with the current content in the game.

They are wrong about ruin 2 as it's use is dictated by how far you need to move and if you can weave ed with it. Not casting it at all during anything more than minor small movement is a dps loss

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You would have to use two ogcds under one ruin II [One MUST be Energy drain] for a dps gain. Probably better off waiting out bio II OR clipping it at 10+ seconds [20 seconds or less remaining] than to try to utilize the skill. At 80 vs 170 potency, ruin II was a 1% dps gain when weaving a single energy drain against clipping with a broil.

Our nuke got better, Our dots died off or stayed the same. Nukes will always be the yardstick to measure dps gains. Ruin II is just an expansion out of its league.

Messing with it would COST us a trait somewhere or indirectly buff SMN. It's better to just leave it like it is and work on a getting more weave time somewhere else in oir kit. Broil being the most obvious place to start.

I'm speaking from experience not theory, if for whatever reason you have to be moving as long or almost as long as the GCD is ticking Ruin 2 is worth it, doubly so if you can weave a ED into it.

Look at FFlogs at other schs if you want proof that it's important to use it

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Originally Posted by Deox

I'm speaking from experience not theory, if for whatever reason you have to be moving as long or almost as long as the GCD is ticking Ruin 2 is worth it, doubly so if you can weave a ED into it.

Look at FFlogs at other schs if you want proof that it's important to use it

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Yeah. Okay. You tested clipping bio II at 10+ seconds? Math is simple. Also your post before said it was a dps gain without having to move.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Yeah. Okay. You tested clipping bio II at 10+ seconds? Math is simple. Also your post before said it was a dps gain without having to move.

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Please reread my post at no point in any of my posting history on this forum have I ever said anything remotely close to that

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Yeah. Okay. You tested clipping bio II at 10+ seconds? Math is simple. Also your post before said it was a dps gain without having to move.

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This would depend on how frequently you have to move as well since if you are expecting to move at least once more before Bio II would originally expire then a Ruin II would be better now as you would then clip the Bio II close to it's expiration when you have to move next.

Actually, that something interesting to think about. For fights with a lot of movement would it be better to not necessarily recast Bio II immediately when it falls off, but instead continuing to Broil II until you have to move again which then you would recast Bio II? It should be possible to calculate based on the average time between needing to move to determine if this is worth it or not based on the extra GCD you would gain from Bio II vs the loss in DoT uptime
Based on some quick calculations if you are moving (that is moving enough to need to use an instant cast) at least once every ~40 secs then it's better to use Bio II instead of Ruin II and rather let the DoT drop off for up to 9 or so seconds and continuing to Broil II until you need to move again and reapply it.

(Specifically replacing a Ruin II with a Broil II is a 130 potency increase meaning that it's worth is so long as you don't lose more than 130 potency from Bio II at 35 potency a tick which means that losing up to 3 ticks of Bio II, or 9 seconds, is fine if you are replacing the GCD you would have spent casting Bio II with a Broil II and then replace the GCD you would have cast a Ruin II with Bio II)

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

SCH is not NOT viable in dungeons, it's just... our skills could use some tweaking - right now it feels like a good portion of the skills you use the most in 4-mans conflicts in some manner with the rest of your toolkit... little to no coherency or synergy.

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I have no problem healing expert dungeons. I'm not sure what the issue for you is. The only DPS that die are the ones that would die regardless of the healer -- aka, either they pulled aggro or they didn't do a mechanic. Here's a tip: tie embrace to broil 2 macro to heal their target then pop a bubble and Exco on the main tank and go to town. 80% of the time the fairy keeps the tank up not to need to use the Exco.

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Originally Posted by simiii

Your telling me a 3.0 can solo heal rav but a sch can't solo heal lakshimi?

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Susa and Lak Ex can be solo healed but only if you have people that avoid things or use their vril. LOL Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Xhareem

Yeah, the problema is every job classified as "TANK" can both main tank and offtank. But only 2 jobs classified as healers can main heal. Fair? Not for me.

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This is very true, and in a way I can see why it is a problem now that they decided to homogenize the role so much.

However for the future of the job, I really hope we see buffs to our DPS/utility in the hopes that we can stay as an off-healer. If I wanted to be the main healer in a raid, I would play WHM or AST, but I don't. And I think SE need to give SCH this particular identity back. DPS and mitigation was our thing, and that's why I disagree with people asking for buffs to our AoE healing. Once again the problem lies in the diversity of AST and its overpowered N.sect, and the fact that we're always going to be compared to them.

I would honestly not even care if SCH stayed the worst of the three as long as it could get its old playstyle back. If you want bigger AoE heals and regens and whatnot, please play a different job. Let SCH be what it once was.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Here's a tip: tie embrace to broil 2 macro

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NEVER tie a GCD ability to a macro. Macros can't be qued. This would be a DPS loss over just hitting Broil II outside of a macro.

It's better just to create an Embrace macro itself and learn to hit that between hitting GCD abilities.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

NEVER tie a GCD ability to a macro. Macros can't be qued. This would be a DPS loss over just hitting Broil II outside of a macro.

It's better just to create an Embrace macro itself and learn to hit that between hitting GCD abilities.

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Dude. I do. I have two macro's. One specific to Embrace to micro manage that and one I tie to Broil 2. I only use the latter when I'm DPSing trash pulls in dungeons. LOL. As I said. KK? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Dude. I do. I have two macro's. One specific to Embrace to micro manage that and one I tie to Broil 2. I only use the latter when I'm DPSing trash pulls in dungeons. LOL. As I said. KK? Thanks.

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It's not like you were giving advice to someone else to do something suboptimally. If you want lower DPS in dungeons, that's fine, but the other player at least has the right to know that your method is a loss in DPS over doing it properly.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

It's not like you were giving advice to someone else to do something suboptimally. If you want lower DPS in dungeons, that's fine, but the other player at least has the right to know that your method is a loss in DPS over doing it properly.

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Forgive me. I wasn't thinking about the highest possible DPS output in a dungeon. I was just thinking the easiest way to heal. Obviously, you're a god among mortals and now she knows this'll be a DPS lose. Can we all go home now?

Using Broil II and embrace macro doesn't effect your dps at all, since pet action doesn't share GCD with player. Here's a macro I'm using atm and feel free to test it:

/ac Ruin
/pac Embrace <tt>
/micon Ruin

Along with Rouse, healing isn't even needed in dungeons, even for lvl61+ ones if tank only pull 1 group. In case you are confused, Aetherpact is a player ability that make pet use Fey Union, so it can't be used during your GCD. While Embrace, Whispering Dawn, Fey Covenant, Fey Illumination are pet action so they can be used during your GCD. The down side for this macro is other pet actions especially Whispering Dawn can be tricky to land because you're constantly spamming broil II, to fix that you might need another Steady/Guard macro for them.

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Originally Posted by Guulu

Using Broil II and embrace macro doesn't effect you dps at all, since pet action doesn't share GCD with player. Here's a macro I'm using atm and feel free to test it:

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It's not a matter of whether it shares a GCD or not. It's a matter that NO (in-game) macro can be put on the GCD que.

Even if you make a macro that is just /ac "Broil II" and nothing else, you cannot que that macro on the GCD que.

If you want to test it make a Macro for Embrace and then put Embrace on your hotbar normally. You'll be spamming the normal Embrace a lot faster since no time will be wasted between your casts because your next Embrace is qued before your current one is finished while with a macro there will inevitably be a small delay between your casts as you can't que the macro and can only activate it as soon as the previous embrace is completely finished casting.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

It's not a matter of whether it shares a GCD or not. It's a matter that NO (in-game) macro can be put on the GCD que.

Even if you make a macro that is just /ac "Broil II" and nothing else, you cannot que that macro on the GCD que.

If you want to test it make a Macro for Embrace and then put Embrace on your hotbar normally. You'll be spamming the normal Embrace a lot faster.

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Pet action doesn't queue at all. That's why Steady/Guard macro exist, making it a lot easier to control your pet. Yes macro doesn't queue, but you are literally spamming the key so I doubt there's actually DPS different. Even if there is, it is negligible since you won't get 1 extra broil for that in either pulls or boss fight at dungeons.

For Raid however, you might get 1 extra broill from like 200 broil you spammed. But keep in mind that you or your co-healer will be healing tank more since you are not using your embrace to full potential, which is likely to cause your DPS lost. You are welcome to spam broil and embrace at once for the entire fight, in that case I am wrong with my statement "Using Broil II and embrace macro doesn't effect your dps at all".

SE literally made this job feel clunky, why would you guys want to add macros on top of that? :'D

My point is why even lose GCD time though when since Fairy actions don't involve your GCD you can just set the fairy's embrace to it's own separate hotkey and just hit that every 1.5 secs between your GCD casts. It's basically being more inefficient because you only want to press 1 button every 2.5 secs instead of 2.